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On November 23 2012 23:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 23:28 strongandbig wrote:
I'm voting Sandra I don't Luke his ignoring Sylvia case yestersay So you get to not be present in this game but not sandro ?? What the fuck with the double standards ?
I didnt vote him because he is afk. I voted him because he came back after syllo posted the case but he decided not to address it any further than saying "sorry that you think I'm mafia".
Also - the guy I'm visiting doesn't have wifi and I can't log in to his Ethernet so ima post as much as I can from Starbucks For the next hour or so
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On November 24 2012 12:26 kitaman27 wrote:
The thing that bothers me the most about sandroba is that he has to be aware of the town's perception of his mafia reputation. I'm sympathetic to the fact that real life events can sometimes get in the way, but if they do, I try to make it clear to the thread and use any free time to make up for it.
From my experience, not having a scum candidate is a sub-par strategy. I'm not completely sold on syllo's innocence yet. It is quite possible that toad's presence in the party would override any mafia presence, although I liked his party selection and the success of the first event gives me no reason to go after syllo at the moment. sandroba's party selection was solid, even though we don't know if it would have mattered with his presence.
What puzzles me the most is that sandroba claims to have taken a hit of 125 damage. If its town damage, it should be claimed.
From a mafia perspective, I'd want to take out Frog in one hit to not have to worry about a cleared pro-town presence on day two, in addition to an additional round of night actions, and possible healing effects. Spreading out the damage seems suboptimal. Based on the flip, it seems the mafia would know that 400ish damage wouldn't be enough to take him out. Why would they hit sandroba, someone who has fallen out of favor in town's eyes, over syllo? Perhaps they were banking on a failed event one, but even so, I'd hit syllo over sandro if I'm not going to stack everything on a single player.
I'll have to come back to this as there are a few other players I'd like to look at first before making a final decision.
To me this reads "I am on the fence". Given that I feel quite similar, except that I lean towards not lynching rather than lynching, that resonates. However upon rereading, I really don't like how he hammers on casting doubt on Syllo. Being cautious is all very well, but why bring it up repeatedly? Both Syllo's filter and his successful party give me no reason to doubt him. Repeatedly voicing suspicions serves no town purpose that I see.
However, upon rereading this a few times I can see how you see this as completely void of any content. I am probably getting tired. I'll leave off reading Prom for now and go eat, do some other stuff before coming back and trying to figure out Prom and Toad.
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On November 25 2012 00:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 00:09 Acrofales wrote:
The bolded statement feels INCREDIBLY forced. As if he is intentionally playing down Sandro's skill at playing scum to make it fit in with his case. Given that everybody and their brother is looking at Sandro to push his reads, don't you think a scum Sandro would have done so by now? Don't you think a town sandro would too?
Yes. That means it is not indicative of alignment and thus implying that it is, is FORCED.
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On November 25 2012 00:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 00:34 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 00:09 Acrofales wrote:
The bolded statement feels INCREDIBLY forced. As if he is intentionally playing down Sandro's skill at playing scum to make it fit in with his case. Given that everybody and their brother is looking at Sandro to push his reads, don't you think a scum Sandro would have done so by now? Don't you think a town sandro would too? Yes. That means it is not indicative of alignment and thus implying that it is, is FORCED.
in my opinion a town sandroba would be far more interested in pushing his reads and leading town to the correct lynch than a scum sandroba, whether scum sandroba "should be" or not.
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On November 25 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, still frustratingly null on Kita too. The most damning things about him are that he ran for leader and wants to lynch Drazerk. It is just so... circumstantial. He *should* know better about Drazerk, who trolls, fakeclaims and makes himself as useless as possible in every game he's in, regardless of alignment.
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. Other than that I am unsurprised about Kita running.
His stance on Sandroba seems sensible, and he voiced many of the suspicions I have of risk.nuke. you can't be serious. He hasn't taken a stance other than to say he doesn't mind lynching him, which is incredibly weak.
On November 24 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:
I also need to work out if I'm actually opposed to sandroba's lynch, or if I'm just more in favour of a kita lynch.
Right, because you are clearly show much more resolve. At least I've provided reasoning why I am suspicious of Cave and nuke. I said I would return with a lynch preference once I finished rereading certain filters. You've been opposing me since my first post in the game. As for the troll post, it was one out of 50 posts. If you'd actually gone to look back to see my troll scum games, I was spending half the game pushing a silly mafia report card, taunting chaoser with fake tracker results and bomberman keywords, or posting entirely in lyrics. You have no right to call me a troll this game.
In fact, I'm starting to get pretty annoyed how often my name is being brought up without any reasoning. It's always "I'm going to start looking into Kita" and then when they can't come up with a scum conclusion it gets dropped. I've been called useless, which is probably what upsets me the most, considering I've probably put in the most effort this cycle with the exception of maybe a couple individuals.
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kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch?
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On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 14:18 kitaman27 wrote:There are a couple people whose filters I've looked through that I believe warrent mention. The first would be nuke. On November 21 2012 18:34 risk.nuke wrote:
Hi, I'd proposed myself to lead the party since I feel I possess the essential quality's we'd want for a mission leader. But I feel I'm late to sign myself up and as it stands there already is already a candidate I want to support. As it stands right now I want Sandroba for our first party leader.
No disrespect to marv who's one of the best scumhunters I know on these forums but a scumhunter isn't what we need today.
I'm not sure how missions are going to work but to prepare for anything these quality's are what we seak.
We need a player who's smart, adaptable to new situations and capable of finding the optimal play.
We need a player who's good at analysing behaviour and who's good at finding townies.
This is Sandroba in a nutshell. I've seen firsthand how he think and he is one of the few people I've met I trust can identify the correct play in a new situation. In SS mafia he created and executed the plan that dismantled the mafiateam in a day. Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination.
Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays.
##Vote: Sandroba The thing that bothers me the most about this post is how much resolve nuke has that sandroba is the right man for the job. He doesn't question whether or not sandroba is actually town, which is the first thing I'd be looking for. "Furthermore from my experience Sandroba's greatest strength is finding townies and then scum by process of elimination." This quote is what I found the most off. When I think of sandroba, I think of a good late game scumhunter. What makes him think that sandroba is a great town hunter, compared to anyone else? It's as if he is coming up with a reason that is perfect for the job to justify his vote. On November 21 2012 23:27 risk.nuke wrote:
No I read your arguments, but they sounded inadequate and non thought through. What really rubbed me the wrong way was your disregard for individual alignment amongst your list. Right now I feel you didn't care, you just wanted an elite team to go under the pretext that they would be best equipped. You purposefully ignored or didn't consider the risks of a team like that and I really don't like that. At a later point, nuke attacks arco for his team selection based on experience instead of alignment. This appears to be exactly what he had based his own leader selection upon. Throughout nuke's filter, he is asking tons of questions, but not providing any opinions of his own. This is something I find myself doing quite often as scum. Towards the end of the day, after sandroba goes afk, he switches his support to goodkarma. Rather than convincing others that this is the best route, he is more concerned with his own personal selection. He lists two people as town reads, but provides no real reasoning and shows little effort to attempt to get them added to the party. Today he has voted sandroba on the basis of inactivity. He has not contributed much on day two and hasn't provided any alternate scum reads. He is also not very aggressive, which is something I'm used to seeing when he is town. I have one other person I'd like to bring up, but it will probably have to wait until morning. I'll choose my prefered lynch candidate after that. Scummy post from a scummy player.
Oh really? So now I'm scummy? Funny because before I brought you up, you've never mentioned me. Strange considering I was one of the three main candidates yesterday, yet you completely ignored me.
On November 24 2012 20:43 risk.nuke wrote:
If you want opinions from me you're free to ask me for them and I may or may not give you an answer, but if you don't I'll be damned if I'll accept that you show up later accusing me of not sharing opinions when all game you've not given a fuck about them.
No need to get worked up. I know I mentioned how I'm used to seeing you aggressive, but it doesn't really count if it comes after I mention it. Why should I have to ask for your opinions? Why not give them yourself and then push your thoughts on people once you do post them?
I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you.
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On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there.
If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player?
On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch?
Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits?
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On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits?
I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen.
As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment.
Does this not make it a policy lynch?
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On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote:
Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth
This is a really important post.
In any game I would host or any game that I can recall playing, a player who is roleblocked does not return any results to tracking abilities. As sandroba insists he targeted syllo, but was roleblocked, either one of these two players is lying or prom really needs to clarify his role.
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On November 24 2012 23:01 Toadesstern wrote:
screw that
##vote Sandro
I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner?
Here is the updated map for d2. There has been a ton of shit slinging, so it's starting to fill up quite nicely.
![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/2uepqiq.jpg)
Noteable things:
- Djodref with no incoming lines, nor any negative outgoing lines (other than his vote for TheChronicler). This is wildly different from the day 1 map. Is the only supporter of many other who are catching flak right now.
- Kitaman with no outgoing lines, other than a mutual hate with Risk.Nuke (You'd think someone catching as much negativity as Kita is would try to shift the blame, or at least frame someone else)
- Phagga/Keirathi/Iamp/SnB/Adam/and Hopelessder flying WAY under the radar on d2. Doesn't mean one thing or another, just is suspicious.
- Lots of scum reads from everyone, but they dont really match up with the voting results.
Voting results from d1 and d2 (so far):
+ Show Spoiler +Day 1 Vote Count + Show Spoiler +
Kitaman27 (4): Kitaman27, Promethelax, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (4): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl, CaveJohnson
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson, sandroba, phagga
Hopeless1der (1): Hopeless1der
Day 2 Lynch Count! + Show Spoiler +
Sandroba (10): Clarity_nl, Oatsmaster, Adam4167, goodkarma, risk.nuke, strongandbig, syllogism, TheChronicler, Promethelax, Toadesstern
CaveJohnson (1): phagga
TheChronicler (2): Djodref, Acrofales, Hopeless1der
Promethelax (1): Hapahauli
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On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch?
Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last?
What is your opinion on nuke?
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Okay done reading. Marv looks definitely better d2 so I'll ignore him for now.
Sandroba looks the same way he did d2 so I still think he's the best way to go, not to mention that it's not that much time left.
So much for the changes for d1 to d2.
Drazerk looks like a madmen, like you guys said and well it's Drazerk.... Those people get shot and not lynched, it's as simple as that. A lynch on Drazerk is a (imo) random lynch as he could be doing that from both points of view and I don't have an idea what's going on in his head. Additionally I'd say that's probably not going to change that soon, which is why I'd say we let vigs deal with him, both to get rid of him and to make sure we don't have a Drazerk lynch that gives us 0 information while flipping like a dice role. The bad thing about lynching Drazerk is that anyone and their mom can hop on that lynch and say "herpa derp it's Drazerk, let's lynch him beacuse he's anti-town" and after the lynch we're in complete chaos because he either flipped red and everyone's pissed at those who thought he shouldn't be lynched because he's always like that or he's going to flip his chef / invoker thingie and people we don't get anything out of it because he was doing bullshit after all.
TL; dr: Don't lynch that guy, shoot him. Completly ignore him in all other regards.
Other than that I don't really like Chroniclers fashion of going after people. Can't help but feel that he thinks he needs to emphasize and point out very obvious things a lot. Could be me omgusing though, so I'd rather have some input from someone else about that.
On November 25 2012 01:31 Dienosore wrote:I mapped you voting for sandro a long time ago. Why do you feel the need to vote him again, and in such a lackadaisical manner? [...]
I didn't. On the start of d2 I said I'd like to vote for Sandro, maybe marv, went to the trainstation and was basicly afk for 24 hours. Now I'm back and gave a heads up on my current thoughts.
I usually don't feel the need to copy&paste what I said earlier if nothing changed but I can do that from now on if it you makes you feel better :p
I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me.
But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person 
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On November 25 2012 01:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch? Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last? What is your opinion on nuke?
I'm not sure about nuke right now. He seems somewhat invested but not enough to make me want to call him town. Just a note on your case, you said he wasn't worried day 1 when voting for sandroba whether he was town, but he had said when he did so
"Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays."
which at least indicates a read of some sort.
Regarding Cave: perhaps he can be roleblocked and vigged at some point, maybe he can be lynched later. But is it seriously your opinion that he has the highest chance of flipping scum today? It's the fact that you are considering this that seems so subpar from you (sorry if you feel insulted by this).
It feels like the easy way out on a lynch, and that does not feel like your town play I read from LV/Storm at all.
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On November 25 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:36 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch? Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last? What is your opinion on nuke? I'm not sure about nuke right now. He seems somewhat invested but not enough to make me want to call him town. Just a note on your case, you said he wasn't worried day 1 when voting for sandroba whether he was town, but he had said when he did so "Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays." which at least indicates a read of some sort. Regarding Cave: perhaps he can be roleblocked and vigged at some point, maybe he can be lynched later. But is it seriously your opinion that he has the highest chance of flipping scum today? It's the fact that you are considering this that seems so subpar from you (sorry if you feel insulted by this). It feels like the easy way out on a lynch, and that does not feel like your town play I read from LV/Storm at all.
You do realize that my entire focus in Storm was pushing a "policy" lynch on RoL due to his absence right? He lived three cycles longer than he should have -_-
Anyways, there are a couple more people I want to bring up, then I'll decide on a preferred candidate. Brb.
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On November 25 2012 01:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:36 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch? Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last? What is your opinion on nuke? I'm not sure about nuke right now. He seems somewhat invested but not enough to make me want to call him town. Just a note on your case, you said he wasn't worried day 1 when voting for sandroba whether he was town, but he had said when he did so "Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays." which at least indicates a read of some sort. Regarding Cave: perhaps he can be roleblocked and vigged at some point, maybe he can be lynched later. But is it seriously your opinion that he has the highest chance of flipping scum today? It's the fact that you are considering this that seems so subpar from you (sorry if you feel insulted by this). It feels like the easy way out on a lynch, and that does not feel like your town play I read from LV/Storm at all. You do realize that my entire focus in Storm was pushing a "policy" lynch on RoL due to his absence right? He lived three cycles longer than he should have -_- Anyways, there are a couple more people I want to bring up, then I'll decide on a preferred candidate. Brb.
I do realise this given how I have read your filter from that game about 2 hours ago.
Difference? You specifically gave examples of why his absence made him likely scum. You drew examples of excuses to contribute from previous games where he was scum, and you pushed the idea that RoL went absent much more as scum than as town. In no way have you demonstrated, or at least tried to demonstrate, why Drazerk's behaviour makes him more likely to be scum (*for Drazerk*) than town.
Don't bullshit me, please.
On November 25 2012 01:11 kitaman27 wrote:
I started disliking Sandroba when Sandroba stopped acting like a townie. If you think that's suspicious you need to learn how to play this game. Furthermore the reason I'm voting sandroba is not inactivity and if you don't think he's scummy I want to hear concrete reasons why from you.
You are not voting for sandroba nor have you given indications that is where you vote will end up.
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On November 25 2012 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:I actually haven't understood your map yet, like Marv said I've been mainly mentioning Sand and him d1&d2 so far, maybe Keir a little d1 but I think I made it very clear that that was on purpose to get something going and I don't see arrows between Marv and me. But than again who knows what arrow belongs to what person
+ Show Spoiler +
As you can see, I already have those two connections mapped out. I know it's a bit tough for you guys trying to make sense of it all online 
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On November 25 2012 01:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:36 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 01:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 25 2012 00:26 Acrofales wrote:
Not saying Drazerk should never be lynched, but I fail to see how his claim makes him a priority for lynching now. The candidacy is only damning because I agree there should have been some scum in there. If Cave should be lynched, when is the best time to do so? Is he going to suddenly provide a page long post of his suspicions in the coming days that's going to give us insight into his alignment? Is the endgame the best time to take care of him when we're battling Lavos? On day three or four, would you rather have more information to go by for Cave or another player? On November 25 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
kita, why do you want to lynch Cave?
Isn't he basically a policy lynch? Out of the players that you have commented on, Cave appears to be one of your strongest scumreads. Has your opinion changed? I guess it depends what you classify a policy lynch as. If a player gets caught lying and is anti-town the entire game, is it following a policy lynch or is it lynching a player because they are showing scummy traits? I abandoned my scumread on Cave in favour of a wtf-read upon learning it's Drazerk the madmen. As you know Drazerk lies and is anti-town all the time regardless of his alignment. Does this not make it a policy lynch? Perhaps, but I still view him as anti-town, as oppossed to a policy lynch on a player like BM, simply due to the fact that he is BM. I usually don't advocate lynching liars that I can see some benefit from, such as GM's fake medic claim in team melee, but I'm not seeing how drazerk's claim benefits the town or makes any sense. How do you recommend we deal with him? Ignore him and save him for last? What is your opinion on nuke? I'm not sure about nuke right now. He seems somewhat invested but not enough to make me want to call him town. Just a note on your case, you said he wasn't worried day 1 when voting for sandroba whether he was town, but he had said when he did so "Additionally his activity is promising and I have a pretty good insight of how he plays." which at least indicates a read of some sort. Regarding Cave: perhaps he can be roleblocked and vigged at some point, maybe he can be lynched later. But is it seriously your opinion that he has the highest chance of flipping scum today? It's the fact that you are considering this that seems so subpar from you (sorry if you feel insulted by this). It feels like the easy way out on a lynch, and that does not feel like your town play I read from LV/Storm at all. You do realize that my entire focus in Storm was pushing a "policy" lynch on RoL due to his absence right? He lived three cycles longer than he should have -_- Anyways, there are a couple more people I want to bring up, then I'll decide on a preferred candidate. Brb.
You had to call the lynch candidate today, correct?
Did you pick Draz? Just out of curiosity.
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kita obviously picked sandroba.
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that's what I thought but if that's the case he should be fine with "sheeping" and trusting syllos judgement on top of not getting 200HP worth of damage.
If he had picked Draz the conversation right now would make a lot more sense.
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