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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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CaveJohnson
278 Posts
On November 24 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: To make things clear, you're sticking with the story that you know your sucess modifier? You're sticking with your story that you are a chef who knows about a third party character? I want the exact description of all your roles or I'm not going to be satisfied. If you truly care about not causing a distraction, list everything you know, your intentions, and your suspects today. If you're going to come up with excuses and disappear, you're only making things worse. I know someone is after one of my foods (I don't know which and I don't know if they are third party its just likely to me) I have the dota equivalent to the following - Lightning shield, Firestorm and Chaos meteor. My intention is to survive to end game and win with town. That is the same as anyone else who is town... I may have extra abilities to do it but I don't know how often I'll gain preventive abilities. Suspect wise I lean TC but I'm interesting in prom. You know you are never going to be happy with me though. So I'm not really sure what exactly you are looking for. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 24 2012 10:52 CaveJohnson wrote: I know someone is after one of my foods (I don't know which and I don't know if they are third party its just likely to me) I have the dota equivalent to the following - Lightning shield, Firestorm and Chaos meteor. My intention is to survive to end game and win with town. That is the same as anyone else who is town... I may have extra abilities to do it but I don't know how often I'll gain preventive abilities. Suspect wise I lean TC but I'm interesting in prom. You know you are never going to be happy with me though. So I'm not really sure what exactly you are looking for. So let me get this straight. You knew a person was after your food, so in order to increase your chances of survival, you decide to role claim that you are the chef? Could you walk me through your thought process? To understand correctly, you are claiming third party, but seek to work with town to achieve your objectives? | ||
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CaveJohnson
278 Posts
On November 24 2012 10:55 kitaman27 wrote: So let me get this straight. You knew a person was after your food, so in order to increase your chances of survival, you decide to role claim that you are the chef? Could you walk me through your thought process? To understand correctly, you are claiming third party, but seek to work with town to achieve your objectives? No I'm town I thought I could kill them with betrayal and get them out of the game early. I don't think how do you not know that yet. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
First of all, I'll start by saying I would have supported Sandroba D1 for leader based on his "plan". When I read it, I hadn't considered any kind of advantage/disadvantage behind the party selection process, and the fact that he shared his idea but not his candidates came across as pretty townie all things considered. That being said, TODAY I share syllo's D1 reservations about Sand's play. For all his posts, he doesn't really come out and call anyone suspicious or attack anyone or really anything that looks like scumhunting. Coupled with his inactivity today and the fact that I've been burned by scumSand in the past (Liar Game) and pretty much I'd like to see a paragon of contribution in Sandroba over the rest of the cycle. Otherwise, I'm chalking up his loss of interest to him being scum and lynching him. D1 I was about certain marv was scum but his activity and apparent interest in the game has picked up considerably (and before I joined no less) so I can let him go for now. I think the successful party should be off the table for lynch today (for reasons I think are obvious) but it should be noted that if Dino's claiming a "power role" or whatever is to be believed, I agree that the others are far from being out from under scrutiny. I think given what we know about the setup, policies like "lurkers" should be avoided unless coupled with some serious meta/reasoning as is the case with Sandroba. But who? Sandroba if he doesn't get back in here and tell me I'm retarded and who I should vote for. I could also get behind an Hapa lynch. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Hapahauli's play, in my opinion, can be characterized summarily as recalcitrant. His almost automatic discrediting of syllo D1 seemed a little over-the-top to me. Syllo's early posts made it pretty clear (at least to me) that he's trying to do what he can for town. I'm sure he's capable enough as scum to fake it, but honestly (and curiously) I don't fear a scum Syllo like I fear (for example) a scum marv or a scum BloodyC0bbler. If Sandroba hadn't cemented my support D1, I would have supported syllo without question. But Hapa was up in arms about people "blindly sheeping syllo". On the surface, okay. We don't want to "blindly sheep" anyone. However, as marv pointed out at the time, simply supporting someone based on their posts is not the same thing as "blindly sheeping them" and that's what Hapa was insinuating was going on with the WHOLE of the syllo wagon. He was literally saying that "no one supporting syllo has any reason to do so" which is patently false and borders on malicious misrepresentation of the facts. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 24 2012 10:29 Dienosore wrote: Oh and also some of the lines in the second map are pencil, some are pen. Pencil indicates that they are voting to hang that person. I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote: I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. Explain the bolded. Not that I disagree, I just want to know if that's based on your observations, or on Dino's association map, or on pencil lines, or on spicy jerky, or what. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On November 24 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote: Adam states Sandroba is playing like he "don't-give-a-shit", which I disagree with. @Adam: please explain yourself a bit better. What makes you have this read? Yeah, my 'don't-give-a-shit' sandroba comment had nothing to do with his level of activity, as I don't consider that to be the issue. What it comes down to is his drive and attitude when he is here. In this game, he says clarity 'smells funny', later saying that he had him as scum - yet he backs off this read as soon as his reasoning is questioned on the matter, moving him back to 'torn' or undecided. He does similar in the last game that I played with him when he rolled scum: Wiggles Mini Mafia II - sandroba filter He attacks pandain with some shoddy reasoning - 'bad thread entry - didn't further discussion' and Palmar got up in his face. He then backs down from this read with the reasoning of 'pandains' comments on the watcher made him reconsider'. Now compare that to his town play in looney lynching mafia. He sees da0ud enter the thread, finds it suspicious, questions him, decides he is still an enigma, questions him again, declares he wants da0ud to progress to further rounds of the lynch mechanic. Sandroba has conviction when he is town, he wants to figure you out if he cant initially, so he presses with questions. I don't see that from him this game. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:01 TheChronicler wrote: I'll take this opportunity to place my vote on sandroba. Where is toad... I would have really liked seeing his opinion on Sandro before voting. I really only see Sandro as scum if toad is scum, too. sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Well... what about that even makes me scummy? "Recalcitrant" would better describe a townie than a scum player no? It looks like you skimmed over all my objections to Syllo's candidacy on D1 and just focused on select rhetoric I used as opposed to my actual arguments. Rather ironic that you accuse me of "misrepresenting" syllo's candidacy while misrepresenting my opposition. If you're town, I hope we're not getting the Liquid City iteration of VE. If you're scum, please carry on. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Looking back at him "resigning" his candidacy again, he pretty much only did it when it was clear Syllo was going to win, and did it in complete silence in the voting thread. ##Vote Sandroba | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:09 Toadesstern wrote: sry it's firday (was) and as usually I'm taking the train back to my parents place.. that takes a lot of time and I haven't read a thing because I didn't really want to after that long of a trip, so I played some dota from 9pm my time or something like that... sry I guess, but that's how it is with me every game I'm playing. About the question: I think I made my point on Sandro (and Marv) very clear. You even quoted me when I did that. What do you want me to say more about it? Lol, actively lurking much? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18109 Posts
On November 24 2012 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Never forget LI Acro. Never. Why do you mention me? Anyway, what I really want to comment on is Drazerk's role and abilities. I can make no sense of it. Just wandered over to the Dota 2 wiki and Invoker has: Cold Snap Ghost Walk Ice Wall Tornado Deafening Blast Forge Spirit EMP Alacrity Chaos Meteor Sun Strike. First off: I don't see any "Betrayal" and a wiki search doesn't give me anything either. The other abilities claimed are Lightning Shield (not an Invoker ability), Firestorm (ditto), Chaos Meteor. What Chaos Meteor does in Dota 2 is drops a meteor from the sky which does damage and then rolls around a little bit doing more damage if you're dumb enough to stick around. I fail to see how this can be implemented in this game, other than as a simple nuke. So, how about you claim what your abilities do, instead of your Dota 2 analogies, which may make sense to you, but don't to anybody else. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18109 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/notoriouslawyers/KaelCollection.jpg) I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night. These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better. | ||
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