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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote: Acro darling, kita me up please. I was working on GK. Dieno's basis for finding GK scum was not what I was expecting. I agree that Kita is probably more urgent. Give me a sec. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
On November 19 2012 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: I'd also like to announce that I plan to disappear for extended periods of time (assuming I role mafia)  Mission accomplished? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
If we take a look at the three main sources of damage, we have about 800 kp. I can confirm the damage against myself and I'm quite confident that the damage against Frog would be real as he would be my priority 1 target if I were mafia. Dienosore - 445 dmg Marvellosity - 200 dmg Kita - 200 dmg (conditional) CaveJohnson - 25 dmg Clarity - 20 dmg Iamperfection - 20 dmg Acrofalls - 20 dmg Djodref - 20 dmg Based on what we've seen from the flip, Frog's hp's and my own hp, I'm willing to conclude that removing one of these sources of damage would leave the mafia night hits quite underpowered. However, there is still the damage output from Lavos to take into account. I'm conflicted, but at this point, I would guess that marv really did take a hit. Marv, I would like to know the reasoning you felt it was necessary to claim to the town that you don't have a gun? Onto Cave next. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
i forget who though | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
syllogism claimed taking 50 damage. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
On November 22 2012 10:58 kitaman27 wrote: I haven't been inactive and acquiring 4-5 votes to take the lead is hardly a long shot. I've hardly been inactive, my posts are just less spread out. Don't infer that I haven't read the thread because that's untrue. I've been working on several posts the past hour or two. As for my opinion of you, I haven't reread your filter yet. From what I recall, your posts have been logical and reasonable, but that hardly means you must be town. Hardly a joke campaign. Hours into the game I provided my initial thoughts, I have been at work all day, and now I have returned to elaborate on my reads after having some posts to go by. I shouldn't be punished based on my schedule. Why have I been eliminated after not having a chance to share my thoughts? I believe I'm a superior candidate to sandroba and syllo. If you remember correctly, sandroba's platform was simply a rehashed version of my proposal that players be selected by their towniness beyond all other factors. Still working on a post of reads. Kita. Why exactly did you think this? This phrase here seems rather incongruous with all the rest of your campaign. You made some slightly disingenious remarks at Sandro about how the whole town thought they could read him, but asking what it was based on. You made a quip at Syllo's second post. About 20 hours later you come back. We get a joke post with a turkey and vegetarians, and then you say you think you're superior to Sandro and Syllo. Yet you never explain why. Even when asked why. On November 22 2012 11:31 kitaman27 wrote: I'd also like to state a bit more setup speculation before I forget about it. From a game design perspective, the mafia team has to have certain tools that sabotage our events in order to remain balanced. Without any outside intervention, assume the town comes up with a successful group of players. There appears to be no restriction about selecting the same players, meaning the mafia team has to have some way to combat selecting the same people every time. Even if they can only eliminate a couple of the players through night hits, they are still playing from a disadvantage. I think this is something we should keep in mind going forward. While reading through the filters, I came across this post. What struck me as strange was that Keirathi insists he has a low success modifier. On what basis is he making this assumption? From my point of view, I would have no idea whether 3 was a low value or the highest value in the game. Only if I had the ability to compare my modifier with other players could I come to this conclusion. Finally, the Frog role claim may be the most important event that has taken place this game. There needs to be more discussion about it. I'll post my thoughts later tonight. I either mentioned it earlier, or just wrote it in my notebook, he never incited more discussion about the claim. Now that I look back, I would like an explanation of why Kita thought the Frog claim was so important. Those are my questions for now. @Marv: I have the right to remain silent (for now). | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17821 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Weekend is ahead, which means family time. My activity will be rather limited (or even more limited, when I look back at the last 12 hours), but I should be able to tune in again before the deadline. For now, I am content with my vote on CaveJohnson. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i49.tinypic.com/14ippmq.jpg) My D2 map (still in progress): ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/nmls9l.jpg) Haven't began to crossreference anyone yet. Probably will only do that on a case by case basis. Nothing pops up as too fishy yet, but I've only just begin to really look deep into the maps. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Now if I'm signing up as a smurf, why would I reveal my identity on the first day? The only reason I can come up with is if you have something to gain. From a town perspective, what do you have to gain as to claim draz? He said himself how it would not benefit the town. From a mafia perspective, you have an excuse to lie, troll, and not contribute due to his past reputation. As he is a smurf, we also don't have confirmation that this is actually draz and not just a smurf who is taking advantage of his identity. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote: I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote: He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). On November 23 2012 05:12 CaveJohnson wrote: I'm just taking the enemy of my enemy approach with this election. Might be worth doing the same for consolidation Cave shows little interest in electing a leader on day one. He discredits syllo several times by stating that he is not running. When it becomes clear that syllo actually is running, he simply calls him a wasted vote, without elaborating. He finally decides to vote for me, while giving no indication that he has a town read on myself. Next, I'd like to look over his roleclaim: On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote: I claim Drazerk the I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. First off, we know that he doesn't know his success modifier. It's a hidden value. He mistakenly sees another player reference their hypothetical modifier and pretends to know his. He claims that his success modifier is low, yet has no reference to go by. This is a lie. Besides the fact that his role sounds extremely implausible, if a post is partly a lie, there is no reason to believe anything at all. Furthermore, he references a third party character that he needs to take down. How would this fit in with the flavor of a Chef at all? Who is he hunting, the evil third party mushrooms? Now here is the part that I'm not able to put together. What is the purpose of the fake role claim? Is he just playing to his reputation of compulsive fake role claims? Is he trying to draw a hit? When marv claimed to take damage, he seems to indicate that he may have been responsible due to sort of reflective damage ability. Now this leads me to three thoughts: 1) If his first conclusion is that marv tried to hit him, is this the reason marv was the target of a roleblock? 2) If he truly can reflect damage, attempting to take a hit would fit in line with his role claim, even if lying to town is an incredibly awful way of doing so. 3) By claiming damage reflection, is he trying to discredit further attacks on himself for self preservation. Today he has been gone. He has provided no input on today's lynch. I've seen draz play like this several times as mafia and town. At the end of the game, if he's scum, he laughs at the fact that town has ignored him. If he's town, he appears amused and plays the same way the next game. I think he should be forced into a full role claim with an explanation of his entire intentions thus far. At this point, the benefits of hiding his role, does not outweigh the distraction he is causing. If he tries to give us more nonsense, he should be lynched. If he doesn't post again this cycle. he should be lynched. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Seems suspicious for a towny to not be hunting for mafia | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 24 2012 08:46 Acrofales wrote: Kita. Why exactly did you think this? This phrase here seems rather incongruous with all the rest of your campaign. You made some slightly disingenious remarks at Sandro about how the whole town thought they could read him, but asking what it was based on. You made a quip at Syllo's second post. About 20 hours later you come back. We get a joke post with a turkey and vegetarians, and then you say you think you're superior to Sandro and Syllo. Yet you never explain why. Even when asked why. Well I certainly wasn't going to say that I was an inferior candidate. My remarks on sandroba proved to be quite accurate. He disappears and here we have people screaming that it exactly matches his scum meta of being lazy, while we have other people that are convinced that his absence is something he would never do as scum. I'll be looking at him next most likely.. I didn't really discredit syllo, besides the fact that I'd rather have been elected at that point over him. When asked directly about syllo, I mentioned that his posts were reasonable, but I wasn't prepared to trust him either way. On November 22 2012 11:31 kitaman27 wrote: I'd also like to state a bit more setup speculation before I forget about it. From a game design perspective, the mafia team has to have certain tools that sabotage our events in order to remain balanced. Without any outside intervention, assume the town comes up with a successful group of players. There appears to be no restriction about selecting the same players, meaning the mafia team has to have some way to combat selecting the same people every time. Even if they can only eliminate a couple of the players through night hits, they are still playing from a disadvantage. I think this is something we should keep in mind going forward. While reading through the filters, I came across this post. What struck me as strange was that Keirathi insists he has a low success modifier. On what basis is he making this assumption? From my point of view, I would have no idea whether 3 was a low value or the highest value in the game. Only if I had the ability to compare my modifier with other players could I come to this conclusion. Finally, the Frog role claim may be the most important event that has taken place this game. There needs to be more discussion about it. I'll post my thoughts later tonight. I either mentioned it earlier, or just wrote it in my notebook, he never incited more discussion about the claim. Now that I look back, I would like an explanation of why Kita thought the Frog claim was so important.[/QUOTE] If you remember correctly, the idea of having one of the well known characters name claim was my idea, even if I didn't want to follow through day one. In a latter post, I mentioned that Frog would have been one of my three choices to bring along. The post questioning sandroba's meta that I asked someone to look for is what made me believe the sincerity of his posts and I also commented how his role explained his reason for running as a newer player. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
Stupid iPad. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 24 2012 09:12 marvellosity wrote: Your whole piece on Cave brings up valid points but boils down to: lynch the trolly guy if he continues to troll, even though it's still pretty much a coinflip at this stage. Are you in favor of a truthful role claim from him, with the implication that we lynch him if things don't add up? We wouldn't be able to verify his claim, but it gives us a more informed decision, which outweighs the drawback in my opinion. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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