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On November 24 2012 06:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle.
Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him.
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On November 24 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I don't think Sandroba is in the US currently and I believe very few people celebrate thanksgiving in Brazil. Also some of you people aren't giving my ability to read sandroba nearly enough weight
Oh he's in Brazil? Well that's something to consider.
I'd rather give Sandroba more time. A lot of the meta stuff is explainable by RL things, and isn't enough for me to draw a pattern of "scumminess."
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You don't have to do anything other than sheep me
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On November 23 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
I am free to play, I'm posting more than the average person and I've contributed a lot. Mind you that 2 out of the 3 people syllo took with him I was planning on taking. I gave out a town read on syllo very early on.
As to your question, obviously, since I am town. He has been paranoid about my alignment a lot of times in the past (of the top of my head merc mini mafia and that huge 80 player game), but normally he reaches the correct conclusion soon enough.
On November 24 2012 06:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle. Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him.
He says he's free to play. So he's not "losing interest" and it isn't because of the holidays. What more do you want to see from sandroba?
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On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.
You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.
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On November 24 2012 06:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:49 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle. Well I think his campaign-actions are more likely townie than the alternatives. Also, I don't think lynching someone for losing interest on D2, especially over the holidays, is a good idea. I really want to see more from Sandroba before I'd consider lynching him.
He didn't lose interest on D2, that's my point. He never had interest.
Notice how he opens with big well worded posts and slowly slips into smaller more insulting posts, can't fake enthusiasm for too long. He hides behind his election and once it starts gaining traction he stops, but doesn't replace it with anything.
I understand wanting to see more of him but he basically proclaimed he will be mainly lurking the entire weekend.
His campaign did not have any visible effort. Everyone but (maybe) third parties have a reason to run for election, but there are two scum motivations: 1) To appear active without having to make reads, 2) To actually get elected and make town fail the mission.
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Oh good catch. He might be worth a vote then.
Also, TheChronicler's defense seems to be townie, even if "erratic" - instantaneous replies, and he doesn't seem very concerned about suspicion on him.
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On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.
I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why.
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On November 24 2012 06:52 TheChronicler wrote:
Haha, I kind of want to because I think it would shock people, but I'm not going to give out my identity. I chose to smurf for a reason. Please stop asking me to reveal. My defense hasn't been erratic. Where has it been erratic? I think you latched onto Z-Bo's posting and instead of looking at how you were wrong you're clinging to how you could possibly be right.
No. Your defense has been erratic, because you are not being logical. You are basically reacting in exactly the opposite way I would expect you to react. I point out a very clear contradiction and you say "there is no contradiction". It's not scummy, it's not townie, it's erratic. If I believe you are honest in not seeing how your behaviour clearly flipflops between two completely different viewpoints, then a lot of the reasons I think you're scum drops away. And THAT is what I am trying to assess by allowing you a chance to give me some meta-information.
Anybody have a clue who this guy is?
In addressing you directly, not that I believe there is much point, I will explain the two contradictions in my own words, rather than through your quotes.
Contradiction 1:
- Your plan calls for town reads, the more the merrier.
- You tell people you don't want them to share town reads.
Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off.
Reasons for scum to do this: present a plan! It's the townie thing to do. Stop people from sharing town reads! It's an easy way to look like you're contributing without contributing. Easymode scumcruise under the radar. Whoops, I forgot about my plan.
Contradiction 2:
- Dudes, I have an awesome plan
- Okay guys, I am going to vote for Syllo, because he is doing the OPPOSITE of what I wanted, and what I wanted was bad.
- Dudes, my plan was always awesome!
Reasons for town to do this: their brain is switched off.
Reasons for scum to do this: not well thought-out post-hoc rationalization of an easy sheep vote to blend in. Yes, your vote was a sheep. Say all you like that you were an early adopter, but I absolutely disagree: you came in after Marv and his sheeples were already on there. That vote flew COMPLETELY under the radar, thus the very definition of blending.
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On November 24 2012 07:07 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch. I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why.
There is so much wrong with this train of thought.
You're saying that because someone is easily lynchable this makes them scum. You're not supposed to be looking for scum you can lynch, you're just supposed to be looking for scum.
Looking for easily lynchable targets is scumlike behaviour.
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On November 24 2012 07:07 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch. I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why.
My problem with sandro's lynch is that I don't think he is scum. My problem with your reasoning to lynch him is that they aren't centered around him being scum.
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On November 24 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I don't think Sandroba is in the US currently and I believe very few people celebrate thanksgiving in Brazil. Also some of you people aren't giving my ability to read sandroba nearly enough weight
What does thanksgiving have to do with it? He said he spent all night at a girl's place (not that that explains his absence during the day, but he was largely absent during the D1 as well).
Syllo: is it normal for Sandro to work during the day and play in the evenings/night? Or does he, like me, spend the entire day at work procrastinating by F5ing the thread and poring over filters? If the latter, his absence is indeed weird.
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On November 24 2012 06:59 syllogism wrote:
You don't have to do anything other than sheep me
Lol. At least you're living up to your town meta 
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On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.
It's plurality lynch and there's another 25 hours to go until the deadline, so: HELL NO.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Anyone else find it strange that Sandro hasn't actually accused anyone of being scummy? He's done about 10 different town reads, but no mafia reads.
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On November 24 2012 07:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. It's plurality lynch and there's another 25 hours to go until the deadline, so: HELL NO.
Someone has to be the first. And if we all follow chronicler's logic all mafia has to do to win is be the first, and everyone should LOGICALLY sheep onto him because he's the easiest to lynch.
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On November 24 2012 07:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think? I don't think Sandroba is in the US currently and I believe very few people celebrate thanksgiving in Brazil. Also some of you people aren't giving my ability to read sandroba nearly enough weight What does thanksgiving have to do with it? He said he spent all night at a girl's place (not that that explains his absence during the day, but he was largely absent during the D1 as well). Syllo: is it normal for Sandro to work during the day and play in the evenings/night? Or does he, like me, spend the entire day at work procrastinating by F5ing the thread and poring over filters? If the latter, his absence is indeed weird.
I don't feel comfortable using that kind of meta knowledge against him (ie. knowledge I have obtained due to talking him a lot outside the game). This answer doesn't confirm or deny whether that is true, because I do not know the answer unless I convert time zones and think about it more.
He can disappear for long periods of time even as town, but the case against him isn't that he disappeared even though a lot of people are attempting to portray it as such.
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On November 24 2012 07:17 Dienosore wrote:
Anyone else find it strange that Sandro hasn't actually accused anyone of being scummy? He's done about 10 different town reads, but no mafia reads.
Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning.
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And hapa wasn't talking about his earlier disappearance, but his current one. It's fairly suspicious that hapa attempted to defend sandroba based on it being thanksgiving as it indicates that he didn't even bother checking where sandroba is from, but perhaps it's just american to expect thanksgiving to be a more global thing.
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On November 24 2012 07:21 syllogism wrote:
And hapa wasn't talking about his earlier disappearance, but his current one. It's fairly suspicious that hapa attempted to defend sandroba based on it being thanksgiving as it indicates that he didn't even bother checking where sandroba is from, but perhaps it's just american to expect thanksgiving to be a more global thing.
'MURICA! Naw it's just me being stupid.
I'll have to look into Sandroba more. I'm really just not convinced, especially given that he basically handed you the election on a silver platter at the end of the game.
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