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On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it?
No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went
1) reason I think he's scum
2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate
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On November 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:25 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 06:16 syllogism wrote:On November 24 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote:On November 24 2012 05:56 syllogism wrote:
A lot of things he has said so far have been a little off and I agree that question is one of those. what do you think of kita's play so far? his proposal of cave as a lynch candidate, his support with no reasoning for sandroba? some of his earlier reads that felt weakly thought through? I agree that his reads, or at least the reasoning behind them, have been weak as is often the case when he is mafia. The way he suggests Cave as an "alternative" while still stressing that he would love to lynch sandroba is also suspicious. Cave may be mafia, but I don't understand what his plan is because he has essentially guaranteed that he will never be selected to the party. I think his very first post said that he shouldn't be selected; would he do that as mafia and would his team allow it? Third party seems more likely. Kita's early attacks were focused on me over sandroba and the attacks were very weak. He never addressed sandroba directly, except when sandro asked him a random question. Here he paints me, marvel and sandro red http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=1698416350 minutes later he says he hasn't read sandro's filter yet and says sandro's posts have been reasonable and logical (although he says that doesn't make him town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16984518The turkey post wasn't obviously completely serious, but seems weird to paint us red as a joke do you think he has a decent chance of being mafia then? is sandroba more likely mafia to you simply because you are more intimate with his play? I wouldn't lynch kita today even if Sandro wasn't an option. I don't think the second question makes sense, but yes I can more accurately identify alignment of a player who I know extremely well. uh, what I was getting at is this: I find kita's play scummier than sandroba's, but as you know sandroba so well you find it easier to discern sand's alignment. I'm curious what you think kita has done to deserve NOT being lynched.
Oooh Kita is also another guy to consider. One thing that really stuck out to me is the "conditional damage" that is on him:
On November 23 2012 09:04 kitaman27 wrote:Well done  I've been targeted with the guessing game. If I don't properly predict the lynch result within the next 24 hours I am hit with 200 hp of damage. I guess this is one of the ways mafia can damage people? :p
First of all, attacks seem to be highly themed in this game. Kush's "Nirvana Strike" had a very specific name linked to the Chrono Trigger theme. Something like "the guessing game" is so uncharacteristically un-themed. In addition, it's just a really damn strange damage ability that seems farfetched at best.
In addition, I didn't like kita's campaign very much. Posts like this...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=54#1062
...are just weird to me. His first impulse to campaign wasn't to propose a party - it was to spread passive suspicion amongst a bunch of players. I don't like it, and I think his behavior has been scummy so far.
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On November 24 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
I was going to wait until tomorrow so I could see who people are pushing today without me, to an extent, locking down discussion. I don't think it's particularly working though and kita can't wait (whether he is town remains to be seen, but I don't think it's worth the gamble).
I'm fairly certain that sandroba is mafia. He hasn't done anything useful whole game long and he definitely could have. Everything that I've said about him before is still applicable. Even if he has been busy, it was by choice. No one forced him to run for election and he could have at any time dropped out and supported me. If he was town, I think he would have as soon as he figured out that I'm town.
Moreover, his attitude when he came back is still wrong. Instead of attempting to convince me or even address me, he just addresses everyone generally. He claims that I have been paranoid about his alignment in merc mini and that 80+ player game, but that is false or an exaggeration. In the huge game I was, in fact, pushing him for mayor on day 1 (we were both town). In merc mini I was only slightly suspicious because his ability completely broke the game, but I never wanted to lynch him at any point; the only suspicions were voiced over PM.
If he was town, he would be attempting to convince me, not play down my ability to read him accurately. To those who believe sandroba is town, what do you think mafia did on day 1? Who is mafia? Did they really have no one who could have ran and won? Do you think it's kita or acro were the mafia candidates then?
Why do you randomly include me in that list?
Anyway, I just haven't gotten around to Kita yet, because I got sidetracked by TheChronicler. What is your opinion of him?
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I'm really interested in how Toad feels about this Sandro lynch.
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On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate
you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum?
##Vote: TheChronicler
p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
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Speculating about the guessing game ability is pointless at this stage. If it wasn't a one-shot, we should see more and more people getting targeted by it. I don't see why kita would fake claim something like that unless he is mafia, they didn't use the ability n1 and will use it later.
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@ nl_clarity
I'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives:
Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving.
Whaddy'a think?
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On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote:
I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me.
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On November 24 2012 06:43 syllogism wrote:
Speculating about the guessing game ability is pointless at this stage. If it wasn't a one-shot, we should see more and more people getting targeted by it. I don't see why kita would fake claim something like that unless he is mafia, they didn't use the ability n1 and will use it later.
Norstien Bekkler - Show Tent, Millenia Fair /speculation
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Ebwop: cute how all my attackers keep going afk. Can't really hold them accountable since I'm gone for long periods of time, too, but it is annoying.
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Chronicler, I am having second thoughts. Your defense is incredibly erratic. There is the possibility that despite being a veteran, you are still a complete tool. BM has been playing for about as long as you have and I doubt he will ever stop being completely random.
If you are town, you really should be giving your identity as it could save us from a mislynch.
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On November 24 2012 06:42 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
I was going to wait until tomorrow so I could see who people are pushing today without me, to an extent, locking down discussion. I don't think it's particularly working though and kita can't wait (whether he is town remains to be seen, but I don't think it's worth the gamble).
I'm fairly certain that sandroba is mafia. He hasn't done anything useful whole game long and he definitely could have. Everything that I've said about him before is still applicable. Even if he has been busy, it was by choice. No one forced him to run for election and he could have at any time dropped out and supported me. If he was town, I think he would have as soon as he figured out that I'm town.
Moreover, his attitude when he came back is still wrong. Instead of attempting to convince me or even address me, he just addresses everyone generally. He claims that I have been paranoid about his alignment in merc mini and that 80+ player game, but that is false or an exaggeration. In the huge game I was, in fact, pushing him for mayor on day 1 (we were both town). In merc mini I was only slightly suspicious because his ability completely broke the game, but I never wanted to lynch him at any point; the only suspicions were voiced over PM.
If he was town, he would be attempting to convince me, not play down my ability to read him accurately. To those who believe sandroba is town, what do you think mafia did on day 1? Who is mafia? Did they really have no one who could have ran and won? Do you think it's kita or acro were the mafia candidates then? Why do you randomly include me in that list? Anyway, I just haven't gotten around to Kita yet, because I got sidetracked by TheChronicler. What is your opinion of him?
Because you ran and I think you are a good player, but you are right, I'm not sure if greymist would view things quite the same as I do.
Or actually I guess you didn't really run. I just remembered your first real post talking about the team you would choose, but it doesn't look like you were never pushing to get yourself elected.
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On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote:
But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be.
So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail.
Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me.
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On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Show nested quote +Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think?
I understand your argument when it comes to him giving up his campaign, but this can be explained in a couple of different ways. Some scummy some townie, most for either. My point is that his behavior this game has not made sense to me at all until I looked at it from this angle.
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On November 24 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote:
But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail. Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me.
Why would he have to pick you as town? I was rather confused that you were picked to be completely honest.
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Haha, I kind of want to because I think it would shock people, but I'm not going to give out my identity. I chose to smurf for a reason. Please stop asking me to reveal. My defense hasn't been erratic. Where has it been erratic? I think you latched onto Z-Bo's posting and instead of looking at how you were wrong you're clinging to how you could possibly be right.
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On November 24 2012 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote:
But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail. Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me. Why would he have to pick you as town? I was rather confused that you were picked to be completely honest.
I didn't say he had to pick me if he was town. If he is scum, though, he basically HAD to pick me.
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On November 24 2012 06:53 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 24 2012 06:48 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:39 syllogism wrote:
But I'm not going to waste time on hypotheticals and I don't see why you are wasting time interrogating me when I'm about as confirmed town as one can be. So, I was thinking about this more earlier. The reasons you gave for picking me for the party were pretty good if you are town. But if you're scum, you would have almost HAD to pick me. Dieno claimed that he was Frog, a 600AD character who increased the party's chance of success. Therefore, you basically HAD to pick him just because of that, even if you're scum (besides the fact that he has been playing very obviously with a townie mindset). So, if he had a high success modifier, and you were scum, then me claiming that I had a low success modifier would make me almost a guaranteed pick if you wanted any chance of actually making the event fail. Now, granted, the more likely option is that you were town and just picking town reads. But I can't dismiss you as a scum possibility just yet after picking me. Why would he have to pick you as town? I was rather confused that you were picked to be completely honest. I didn't say he had to pick me if he was town. If he is scum, though, he basically HAD to pick me.
I misread, my mistake.
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On November 24 2012 06:44 Hapahauli wrote:@ nl_clarityI'm not sold on Sandro or your 2nd case on him. Your 2nd case talks a lot about "faking enthusiasm," but his change in eagerness is explainable in many other ways as well. Also, I believe that him giving up the election at the end doesn't make sense with scum objectives: Show nested quote +Regarding Sandroba
Along similar lines as the read on GoodKarma, him completely abandoning his campaign and sheeping on Syllo doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. Why guarentee a strong town player complete control over party selections? Makes no sense as scum. While his activity dipped down today, the day is still young, and I can't blame people for lack of activity on Thanksgiving. Whaddy'a think?
I don't think Sandroba is in the US currently and I believe very few people celebrate thanksgiving in Brazil.
Also some of you people aren't giving my ability to read sandroba nearly enough weight
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Ebwop: and why even say you're having second thoughts? Why should that matter? I don't care about what you say you're doing, I care about what you actually do. Difference in scum and town? Eventually scum has to reveal themselves by what they do. If you're town you shouldn't be worrying about that at all.
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