EPTwell yeah, as mentioned I had a long day, with a long trip and I wanted to relax today. I'm checking in here every 2 hours or so but I'm not really reading so no I don't feel like posting right now. No need to make a [i]lol actively lurking much?[i] when I "admitted" it myself. But again, it's like that in every game on every friday, so get used to it. Going to sleep now, see you tomorrow :p
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
well yeah, as mentioned I had a long day, with a long trip and I wanted to relax today. I'm checking in here every 2 hours or so but I'm not really reading so no I don't feel like posting right now. No need to make a [i]lol actively lurking much?[i] when I "admitted" it myself. But again, it's like that in every game on every friday, so get used to it. Going to sleep now, see you tomorrow :p | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17825 Posts
Also, there doesn't seem to be enough food in CT for this to make sense. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
syllo's points: 1)Mafia has to run d1, they need a strong candidate, if not sandroba who else. Assume for a moment I am town. You decide to run too because you are not certain I'm town yet. Most people believe either you or me are town. Do you think any candidate mafia would propose would gain momentum in this situation? Probably not, and if they forced it, it would probably look very unatural and suspicious. 2) I dissapeared at suspicious times and did not announce my support to him in the thread. This is obviously non alignment related, but I'm going to explain it anyway since most of the case hinders on this. We went to a bar in the afternoon and met some people. I was planning to get back home in time to play this game. We met a really nice group of girls and they were going out to a club. I came back home to change and vote then went out again. Proceeded to not sleep overnight and severly fuck my sleep schedule. God I'm fucking home friday night because I just woke up. And didn't I announce my support for you early? You gotta be kidding me on this one. I fucking concluded you were town very fast and said I didn't mind you being leader instead of me. I missed your straight up question asking for support because I wasn't home, but that implicit the whole time. Come on now. 3) My reasoning for reads feels off. I'm not giving scum reads. The first part: can you honestly say that? I'm never one to give very precise reasoning for reads and it's more of a gut feeling most of the time, about a certain post or timing or w/e. I don't even understand how you came up with this one. Second part: fair enough, I didn't bother with this day1. I'm pretty sure prom and kita are scum at this point and almost sure on clarity. I'll try to provide proof in another post. 4) I tried to discredit you instead of adressing your accusations. Honestly I don't even see an acusation in your filter before now. You had a feeling I had >50% of being mafia and complained about the way I was behaving, because you felt it was off. Is there anything I could say to "adress" it besisdes saying that you are wrong? And yes you've been paranoid about my alignment early on in some games we played, I remember you being a pain until you convinced yourself I was town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Hey VE. I think that until sandro comes back into the thread, my vote will be on him. Why did everyone suddenly hop off kita? GK, why is your second party so drastically different from the first party you proposed? I think for the moment I do not agree with the Cave Johnson lynch because he didnt do anything that is scum aligned, just weird. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Welcome back - Prom and Kita I can sympathize with... but clarity? That seems pretty far-fetched. Can you give us a rundown? I read clarity as really strongly town. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On November 24 2012 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Response to Djo's case on Chronicler + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2012 21:25 Djodref wrote: TheChronicler What is he trying to accomplish exactly ? Part I --- His Plan He wants to get elected to prevent the election of a better known player whose alignment could be difficult to assess. His campaign is mainly based around his plan. I don't want to discuss if his plan is good or not. I want to discuss the purpose of his plan His plan doesn't help us to make sure that the event is going to succeed. His plan doesn't help us to catch scum (maybe it does, but I doubt it and TheChronicler failed to explain it to us in this case) His plan helps us to get information. The promised information is green and in bold font but he doesn't explain how this beautiful information is going to help the town. My conclusion is that he didn't really think through his plan in advance and made a plan for the sake of making a plan. The motivation for scum is to look townie. You can see here that he didn't really believe in his election. You can see here that his obsession with information is faked because he goes after iamperfection when he gave a town read on Dieno. WTF ? If we apply his plan, people are not supposed to choose other people according to their town reads ?! It's true that he didn't even say on what criteria you should choose people according to his plan but I guess we can safely assume it was based on town reads. But giving town reads is now anti-town ? I've showed that TheChronicler has made a "fake" plan to look like he is contributing and a concerned town player. He didn't think it through but the most important point is that he doesn't follow the logic of his plan, which shows that he doesn't really believe in it Part II --- His vote on syllo TheChronicler voting syllo is totally incoherent with his story. In his campaign post, he proposes himself as an "unknown" player to counter the campaigns of the "known" players. Anyway, this is minor. Here TheChronicler states what kind of player he doesn't want for the town I'm fine with this. I wouldn't expect him to vote syllo because of all his previous information rant, but if he does, if would expect him to seriously assess syllo alignment. Wow, unexpected. Here I suspect TheChronicler to blend him by blindy voting for syllo. Part III --- Blending in You can find a lot of useless little remarks in TheChronicler filter. He doesn't interact by himself with the players with great town potential. Here are some remarks addressed to Oats and Dieno which function is only to add some lenght to his filter. Enters the thread with remarks for Oats and Clarity... Nitpicking in the new players filter, kinda lame... This one is addressed to iamp, but I think it is an interesting one. He is pushing people to retain information... Nice use of the red and bold font for Dieno  Here he is framing the player who turns out to be what we have the closest to be confirmed town imho.Nit-picking again ^^ Conclusion There are good chances for TheChronicler to be scum 1. The idea of making a plan for the sake of it. I think that he would of given up on it a lot faster if it was a 'joke' plan. The fact that he stuck to it and tried to convince people of it makes me think that he is town. I think that not believing in his campaign is not actually a scum trait. His main points was his idea, which he pushed A LOT. 2. I have nothing to say about the information issue but I do think that he was talking about different kinds of information. Im gonna let him clarify if he wants. 3. I think he has his reasons for voting for syllo. I do think that the way he did it is a null read. 4. 1 line posts also are not necessarily indicative of alignment. Dieno was posting nothing at that time, everyone thought so. In conclusion,I think that chronicler is town. And do you still think chronicler is town, after the latest interactions with him? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:01 sandroba wrote: Pretty much his forged nonsensical cases against me, deliberately misinterpreting things to make me look scummy. I'm not quite sure yet because he could be really bad and have confirmation bias, trying to fit every single post I make in his theory. Oh come on... you're straight up OMGUS Clarity? I mean the guy is a relatively new player and has an 11 page filter... | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:07 Hapahauli wrote: Oh come on... you're straight up OMGUS Clarity? I mean the guy is a relatively new player and has an 11 page filter... It's not omgus, I had the gut feeling he was scum before that. Many others are voting for me too and you don't see me going after each of them. However this dude is distorting things to push an agenda. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
From my experience, not having a scum candidate is a sub-par strategy. I'm not completely sold on syllo's innocence yet. It is quite possible that toad's presence in the party would override any mafia presence, although I liked his party selection and the success of the first event gives me no reason to go after syllo at the moment. sandroba's party selection was solid, even though we don't know if it would have mattered with his presence. What puzzles me the most is that sandroba claims to have taken a hit of 125 damage. If its town damage, it should be claimed. From a mafia perspective, I'd want to take out Frog in one hit to not have to worry about a cleared pro-town presence on day two, in addition to an additional round of night actions, and possible healing effects. Spreading out the damage seems suboptimal. Based on the flip, it seems the mafia would know that 400ish damage wouldn't be enough to take him out. Why would they hit sandroba, someone who has fallen out of favor in town's eyes, over syllo? Perhaps they were banking on a failed event one, but even so, I'd hit syllo over sandro if I'm not going to stack everything on a single player. I'll have to come back to this as there are a few other players I'd like to look at first before making a final decision. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17825 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:07 Hapahauli wrote: Oh come on... you're straight up OMGUS Clarity? I mean the guy is a relatively new player and has an 11 page filter... Having lots of 1-liners is a town tell how? Don't get me wrong. I have no clue about clarity's alignment right now. Last time I read his filter I was null and I have plenty of homework tomorrow. But what the fuck does the length of his filter have to do with it? You want a giant filter? Look at Drazerk in HRM. I believe he reached 25 pages of rhyme. Yes, he was scum. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Completely neglecting the possibility of third party KP? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I do not get that at all from him this game. If he has transformed his scum game to mimic his town game in the space of a couple weeks, without playing scum, ill be very impressed. I look forward to reading this case. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:28 Keirathi wrote: @kita: Completely neglecting the possibility of third party KP? Third party players usually go for mafia sniping early on or target threats. Yes, its a possibility though. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:31 kitaman27 wrote: Third party players usually go for mafia sniping early on or target threats. Yes, its a possibility though. Yea, my problem with your speculation is that it relies on too many unknowns to amount to anything. What if there were a bunch of protective roles on Dieno, and he really took 800 damage? What if sandro actually is mafia, and third party were shooting him to mafia snipe, like you say? Too many possibilities with virtually 0 information to draw any kind of conclusions, imo. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 24 2012 12:09 Z-BosoN wrote: Hapa, what do you think of iamp? I'm missing a lot of him. He kept up a lot of posts in day one, but now is being waaay lurkier than his townie self usually is. It's kinda similar to his play in GSL III at the moment. He kept up with his mentality/activity well early on, but couldn't maintain his attitude in later days. It's similar on its face, however, I don't think it's damning yet. If he keeps up his inactivity, he may very well deserve a vote. | ||
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