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On July 02 2012 21:43 Fencer710 wrote: I personally can't find much, so I was drawing attention to things I thought were very interesting. Promethelaxes' post is very convincing. He brought up a lot of good points, and you were already very suspicious. That said, I will make a note of who has contributed with analysis so far: 1) Anacletus: No, Dead. 2) Myles: Yes. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 08:16 Myles wrote: Well then I guess I'll post my thoughts. First I think we should look at bandwagoners. I’m sure I’m under suspicion, or more so than before since I got the eye from some posters, for being part of the lynching, but I hope I explained my position enough that I get some BotD. A number of other people barely explained themselves at all before voting. Blind-rawr hopped on the bandwagon without much discussion and voted pretty early, but his subsequent posts explained his position. Intact did pretty much the same, just with a fewer number of posts. Fencer is tied at the top for most suspicions now imo. His overall behavior, combined with his hopping on the bandwagon really early, hopping off when he got some attention, then hopping back on seems really scummy. BobTheLob is right there with him. Lurker who used the same arguments as Fencer, hopped on the bandwagon with no reasoning, and the few posts he has made contributed nothing. The others who voted for Anacletus seem like they had a reasonable position. And while I can’t say we know for sure that those who didn’t vote for him are town, I think it’s really likely because the FoS went so quickly on Anacletus . He didn’t do much to convince us of his innocence, so if they were PBUs it’d be some serious metagaming to start backing off and potentially drawing attention when there was so much support. 3) NrGmonk: Yes.(Being Replaced) + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 01:37 NrGmonk wrote: The difference is I never felt the urgency to defend myself, because I was never accused. I also went out last night and only got home this morning. You can check the veracity of this statement from The Newbie XVIII game. Anyways, time to contribute. One argument I have in Anacletus's defense is that even though he's close to being lynched, no one has really mounted a strong defense for him or has been really adamant to accuse someone else. If he were really mafia, I would suspect at least 2 other people to help him out a bit more. Fencer's play just seems nooby to me more than scummy. I would personally give him the BotD, at least for day 1. I'll look into this more after this post though. But to be honest, at this point, it seems more likely that scum is in one of the lurkers rather than in one of these two. Btw, the bigggest lurkers include BobTheLob and me and below that there's Intact, BLinD-RawR, and Myles. I want to bring special attention to Intact. Although he posts a decent amount, it seems to be filled with one-liners that don't really contribute much to anything and state the obvious. Check his filter, but for the lazy, here's some highlights: Trying to edge on Anacletus's hanging with a random story that doesn't really help anyone. Stating the obvious, and trying to gun for the lynch. At the same time, however, it seems extremely weird that Anacletus would vote for Intact without any providing any reasons. Suspicion goes back to Anacletus...I would really like to hear some explanation on this from him. Anyways, these are just my thoughts and I just want to lay them out so I could get feedback. Not really solidly accusing anyone though until I can get some feedback. 4) JingleHell: Yes, Dead. (Too many analysis' to spoiler.) 5) American Umlaut: Yes. (Same as above) 6) Intact: No. 7) BobTheLob: Yes, poor. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote: Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower? 8) BLinD-RawR: No. 9) iamperfection: No. 10)Promethelax: Yes. (same as Jinglehell) 11)Fencer710/Fencar: Yes. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 02:42 Fencer710 wrote: OK, guys. It's time for me to contribute, as well. An analysis on Promethelax: Early on, he has been very suspicious of Anacletus, as shown be these spoilered posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 08:47 Promethelax wrote: Oh, well in that case lets lynch him!+ Show Spoiler + just kidding What do your notes say (assuming you weren't joking about them) what are your reads? Your thoughts and ideas. I know only a few of us are posting right now but that makes it easier, just assume that there still could be a scum among the posters and start hunting. No one needs to succeed at scum hunting yet, it is after all turn one, but we should start looking for any fishy behaviours. I'm looking but not finding anything yet, everyone seems to be pretty normally playing out day one. I'm curious about how fast Intact jumped on Myles but that doesn't mean either of them are scum, just people who I will keep an eye on. Intact: I think you are right to get the ball rolling but I think it should be in a more general sense right now, if you are town you should cast a wide net and not tunnel so quickly. Though you may be right of course, so don't lose sight of the people you get red vibes from. On June 29 2012 08:47 Promethelax wrote: Oh, well in that case lets lynch him!+ Show Spoiler + just kidding What do your notes say (assuming you weren't joking about them) what are your reads? Your thoughts and ideas. I know only a few of us are posting right now but that makes it easier, just assume that there still could be a scum among the posters and start hunting. No one needs to succeed at scum hunting yet, it is after all turn one, but we should start looking for any fishy behaviours. I'm looking but not finding anything yet, everyone seems to be pretty normally playing out day one. I'm curious about how fast Intact jumped on Myles but that doesn't mean either of them are scum, just people who I will keep an eye on. Intact: I think you are right to get the ball rolling but I think it should be in a more general sense right now, if you are town you should cast a wide net and not tunnel so quickly. Though you may be right of course, so don't lose sight of the people you get red vibes from. His next notable post is directed at me as to make me look like scum, which I did. Spoilered as to take up less space: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 09:14 Promethelax wrote: Okay, as you can tell I've been gone for a while; sleeping and working. I just read the thread and I apologize if I missed anything. (In case you aren't sure if you belive me I work every Tuesday-Saturday from 11-7 ADT (I'll be working Sunday this week too) and that, along with my commute and my sleeps, takes up the time that I am not posting) You can also check the other game I am in hereand compare timestamps. You will note that while I am around I post in both threads and while I am away from my computer I don't post anything. That being said I think that Fencer is scummier than Anacle-whateverhtefuckhisfullnameis and here is why: Our good friend #710 tried to get a band wagon started on Anacletus with that first vote which he cast long before anyone else, right after ##voteing ole Blindy posts: Which is shortly followed by an ##unvote from Fencer. Fencer tried to get a bandwagon rolling but when it failed he backed right off. He was testing teh waters and found them tepid. As soon as someone else ##voted Anacletus Fencer jumped right back on the bandwagon hoping to get it rolling and look what happened. Now Anacletus is one vote away from being lynched and Fencer is pretending that he is town. Now I do think Anancletus has posted some fishy stuff, in fact I said just that earlier, but I believe that Fencer jumped on the fishiest sounding guy and is trying to make us townies follow him to our own demise. Now if you don;t already believe me, and you should, let's take a long walk down memory lane in the way of his filter: We'll start with this gem. where Fencer's first post clearly tries to buddy up to a, probably, towny. When he is immediately called out for it he cries NEWB! as if that would make a difference. We're in a newbie game of course you are a newb. Fencer's defense is lackluster at best and scummy at worst. His next post is another classic where he points the finger at two guys who he could build a reasonable case against by simply saying: "For some reason I can't say exactly [pinpoint] why it makes me tick, but it does." He is trying to start a another bandwagon with no evidence, if he was a townie he would use logic and reason to find scum not just 'some reason' now in his next four post (all of which are one-liners) there is one which actually had me laughing out loud this example of what not to say when you are scum: Seriously that is his entire post. What the hell else should we be doing? So, to make a long case short, Fencer is scum. ##vote: Fencer710 On June 30 2012 13:38 Promethelax wrote: The bolded and underlined portion suggests that he is town and not actually just trying to save Anacletus.You don't think Fencer is scum but you voted him? What the hell? If you are town this is horrible play, vote for someone who you think is scum not someone you think is annoying. Now, I think Fencer is scum so I voted him; what are you doing? This is really good advice, we should all follow it. We don't need townies acting like scum just because they are dumb. Come on guys there are 9 of us, we need to start working together, our strength is in numbers. This is why I can't imagine that you are town, I bring a case against you and your reaction is to give really generic advice and go to bed? You may as well just claim scum in the thread. All in all, Promethelax appears to be 100% innocent, but while digging I found that Intact is very suspicious. He has made 8 posts since the game began, all with very few lines, a paragraph at best. A few gems: Bandwagon without any explanation. This makes me extremely suspicious that Anacletus is not mafia, as regardless if he is mafia or town, it wouldn't make it nearly as easy as he suggests, and it supports the notion of lynching him without actually saying anything. This isn't enough to change my vote yet, but FoS on Intact. Also, link to the mafia game Anacletus played in before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707 12) Hopeless1der: Yes. (same as JingleHell) (second day only) 'Yes' means that they gave an analysis of a specific person. 'No' is the opposite. Fisrtly sorry about yesterday, hopefully you can forgive me the necessity of consuming copious amounts of alcohol to celebrate the birth of my adopted country. Secondly, on to the post analysis: Well, this post by Fencar (I guess is your name) seems odd to me, he hasn't added anything but he made a huge post about how much each person has contributed to the thread. I don't know about anyone else but I was aware of how much people had written, I knew this because I have been reading the thread. Fencar has given us a huge post that makes his filter look more legit but said nothing in this post. He even makes it easy for us to read the analysis of the few guys who have done very little but he won't link to JH's mod confirmed townie analysis or my own thoughts, those are too long to put in a spoiler...I'll let you think about that. Why does Fencar hide the thoughts of Hopeless, JH, Me and Umlat? Well, looking into our Filters there is one suspicion in common: I made the case against Fencar, which you should probably read, though it needs to be updated teh things I said in it are still true. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 09:14 Promethelax wrote: Okay, as you can tell I've been gone for a while; sleeping and working. I just read the thread and I apologize if I missed anything. (In case you aren't sure if you belive me I work every Tuesday-Saturday from 11-7 ADT (I'll be working Sunday this week too) and that, along with my commute and my sleeps, takes up the time that I am not posting) You can also check the other game I am in hereand compare timestamps. You will note that while I am around I post in both threads and while I am away from my computer I don't post anything. That being said I think that Fencer is scummier than Anacle-whateverhtefuckhisfullnameis and here is why: Our good friend #710 tried to get a band wagon started on Anacletus with that first vote which he cast long before anyone else, right after ##voteing ole Blindy posts: Which is shortly followed by an ##unvote from Fencer. Fencer tried to get a bandwagon rolling but when it failed he backed right off. He was testing teh waters and found them tepid. As soon as someone else ##voted Anacletus Fencer jumped right back on the bandwagon hoping to get it rolling and look what happened. Now Anacletus is one vote away from being lynched and Fencer is pretending that he is town. Now I do think Anancletus has posted some fishy stuff, in fact I said just that earlier, but I believe that Fencer jumped on the fishiest sounding guy and is trying to make us townies follow him to our own demise. Now if you don;t already believe me, and you should, let's take a long walk down memory lane in the way of his filter: We'll start with this gem. where Fencer's first post clearly tries to buddy up to a, probably, towny. When he is immediately called out for it he cries NEWB! as if that would make a difference. We're in a newbie game of course you are a newb. Fencer's defense is lackluster at best and scummy at worst. His next post is another classic where he points the finger at two guys who he could build a reasonable case against by simply saying: "For some reason I can't say exactly [pinpoint] why it makes me tick, but it does." He is trying to start a another bandwagon with no evidence, if he was a townie he would use logic and reason to find scum not just 'some reason' now in his next four post (all of which are one-liners) there is one which actually had me laughing out loud this example of what not to say when you are scum: Seriously that is his entire post. What the hell else should we be doing? So, to make a long case short, Fencer is scum. ##vote: Fencer710 Hopeless voted him on d1, + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 AU said + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 18:25 AmericanUmlaut wrote: No, no, no. No coming in here and latching on to someone else's opinions. Me-tooing is the easiest way to just scoot by under the radar without attracting any attention. What do you find so compelling about my arguments? What thoughts of your own do you have? Just popping in here and saying "Sorry, I'm here, too" is not different from lurking and doing nothing in any way that matters. And JH is JH, he is mod-confirmed town, well spoken and well thought of now, do you know what he said about Fencar? I do. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 06:43 JingleHell wrote: Wow, that's completely meta, a waste of content post about waste of content posting. I agree, though. Not ready to shift a vote yet, but I've got an FoS on Fencer710. and + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 09:33 JingleHell wrote: We already know you're a newbie. Just like the rest of us. ##Vote Fencer710 It's not a crutch, it should be a similar sort of hindrance (we're all willing to spend time on a website dedicated to competitive video games, don't tell me about not reading the guide.) Even at the end when JH thinks Hopeless is more scummy he still sees through Fencar who looked scummy to JH until his death. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 08:09 JingleHell wrote: I still think Fencer is scummy, too, which is why I mentioned the Hopeless vote on him, as it makes one of them look less scummy if the other flips, but was done in a way that it didn't overcommit the vote, either. However, if I have to take two people who are similarly scummy, I'm going to end up dropping a vote on the one who seems more dangerous, which currently feels like Hopeless. The three people that JH was looking at as scum before he died were Hopeless, Fencar and Myles. I'm pretty confident that JH was killed for a reason and at least one of them is scum but probably two, just based on a numbers game. The one I am most sure of is Fencar and his new post where he hides the cases against him only reenforces that idea to me. | ||
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Fencar
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AmericanUmlaut
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On July 02 2012 23:35 Promethelax wrote: The three people that JH was looking at as scum before he died were Hopeless, Fencar and Myles. I'm pretty confident that JH was killed for a reason and at least one of them is scum but probably two, just based on a numbers game. The one I am most sure of is Fencar and his new post where he hides the cases against him only reenforces that idea to me. I've been going through Myles's filter and JH's posts regarding him, and I'm not convinced by JH's read on him. I think he got an early whiff of something scummy when Myles me-tooed a bit too hard early on and then read the rest of Myles's play with a hefty dose of confirmation bias. When I try to read through Myles's filter with my BotD glasses on, though, he comes across as just someone who's getting used to the game and didn't play day 1 great. Nothing about his play really smells of PBU to me. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? I'm not saying Myles is 100% town, but I don't think that we should give JH's reads too much weight just because he's been martyred. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
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On July 03 2012 00:04 Fencar wrote: You know what, I give up. I'm done. After my initial mistakes, everything I try to do is now banging my head against the wall. Spoken like someone who really, really hopes we accept his resignation and forget about him. Strategically speaking, a town player would at the very least do as much analysis as possible and post it before getting lynched, since that contribution might help us win. The only position that I can think of in which it is strategically sound to resign like this would be if he's Skilled Troll or Skilled Bullshitter and is hoping that we go after other leads first to give him the chance to use his ability before he dies. I'm very close to voting for Fencar, but I'm concerned about starting a bandwagon pile-on before enough discussion has taken place. What do the rest of you think? | ||
Myles
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Bob has also started posting a bit, but hasn't said anything too relevant except for the one summary post where his only read other than 'uh, I'm not sure' was on JH and Prom when they probably had the least cause to be suspicious. In his posts sense then only this+ Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote: Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite. (In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) About Fencer, I'm still suspicious. His last 'read' in particular was pretty much a rehash of the already summarized lurkers. He made a lengthy post on Prom, who along with Umlaut seem like the most established townie with have left. He also FoS'd on Intact in the same post, based on Anacletus vote, but that seems legit since Intact's posting is quite suspicious. So for now, this is my list of most suspicious from highest to lowest: Intact Fencer Bob Could be town or not: Hopeless iamperfection blind-rawr Looks like town: Promethelax AmericanUmlaut And was no one really watching JH despite being a pretty obvious target? Are we going to get anything at all to go off of? And where's our damn replacement? | ||
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On July 03 2012 00:24 Myles wrote: Where are the lurkers? We've been questioning them since last the night first fell, and yet there's been 1 post by intact(about how his internet 'died', 1 post by iamperfection(no read, but talking about Fencer's trigger happy voting), and 2 posts by blind-rawr(1 about regret on the mislynch, the other to defend himself from Hopeless). If you guys are townies you need to start posting like it with some reads, reasoning, or something. Bob has also started posting a bit, but hasn't said anything too relevant except for the one summary post where his only read other than 'uh, I'm not sure' was on JH and Prom when they probably had the least cause to be suspicious. In his posts sense then only this+ Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote: Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite. (In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) About Fencer, I'm still suspicious. His last 'read' in particular was pretty much a rehash of the already summarized lurkers. He made a lengthy post on Prom, who along with Umlaut seem like the most established townie with have left. He also FoS'd on Intact in the same post, based on Anacletus vote, but that seems legit since Intact's posting is quite suspicious. So for now, this is my list of most suspicious from highest to lowest: Intact Fencer Bob Could be town or not: Hopeless iamperfection blind-rawr Looks like town: Promethelax AmericanUmlaut And was no one really watching JH despite being a pretty obvious target? Are we going to get anything at all to go off of? And where's our damn replacement? What is your basis for Bob being more suspect than Hopeless? (By the way, I made a post in the ABL thread about getting a replacement in for Monk, hopefully someone responds soon.) | ||
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On July 03 2012 00:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote: What is your basis for Bob being more suspect than Hopeless? (By the way, I made a post in the ABL thread about getting a replacement in for Monk, hopefully someone responds soon.) EBWOP: I ask because my read is exactly the other way around. I feel like a scummy read on Bob is largely based on his lack of contributions, whereas Hopeless's actual posts have seemed scummy. In my mind being actively scummy is a louder ping than being passively scummy, and I'm curious about your thought process. | ||
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ghost_403
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On July 03 2012 00:19 iamperfection wrote: Can posts by users in game outside this thread be refrenced? If you're referencing posts for meta purposes (ie: This is a post TheToast made while he was playing scum), that's fine. If you're referencing posts to show activity/inactivity (ie: This post shows that TheToast is online and avoiding this thread), that's not okay. | ||
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Myles
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On July 03 2012 00:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote: What is your basis for Bob being more suspect than Hopeless? (By the way, I made a post in the ABL thread about getting a replacement in for Monk, hopefully someone responds soon.) Bob is flying too low below the radar. Hopeless is iffy due to some of his early reasoning and the quick flip flop on the policy lynch of lurkers, but he's been providing a lot of info and taken a lot of heat while still keeping it up. It makes me a lot more hesitant than bob who has lived off the dumb scared newb label. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On July 03 2012 00:04 Fencar wrote: You know what, I give up. I'm done. After my initial mistakes, everything I try to do is now banging my head against the wall. Fencar, who should we be going after instead of you? You still have your vote on me, but I've since posted a read on both Intact and BliND-RawR. They both showed up in your list as not providing any reads. Do you still stand by your vote against me? Continue to build cases on people you think are suspicious, even if that's still me, don't just give up. It looks incredibly scummy and I'm leaning towards voting either You or Intact. It will be way easier to get you lynched from the way you posted, but you're both looking like scum to me. | ||
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iamperfection
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Hopeless makes a good point if you are in fact town who should we be looking at. IF you have possible info due to your ability let us know. One of the rules is try to win by giving up you are making it look yourself to almost 100% being scum. You need to give us information to go on. I will let you respond before i cast my vote. | ||
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Promethelax
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On July 03 2012 00:04 Fencar wrote: You know what, I give up. I'm done. After my initial mistakes, everything I try to do is now banging my head against the wall. you know what? You are scum. You just don't want to give us anything. If Fencar doesn't come back I would urge everyone to vote for him, I have seen games where scum just up and left when there was a FoS on them and waited it out as town faught amongst themselves until someone else was on the chopping block. Lurking while being FoS'd is scummy. On July 03 2012 00:13 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I've been going through Myles's filter and JH's posts regarding him, and I'm not convinced by JH's read on him. I think he got an early whiff of something scummy when Myles me-tooed a bit too hard early on and then read the rest of Myles's play with a hefty dose of confirmation bias. When I try to read through Myles's filter with my BotD glasses on, though, he comes across as just someone who's getting used to the game and didn't play day 1 great. Nothing about his play really smells of PBU to me. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? I'm not saying Myles is 100% town, but I don't think that we should give JH's reads too much weight just because he's been martyred. That seems like a reasonable explanation for his behaviour. I'm still keeping my eye on him but for the moment at least I'll move him into the very light red part of my spread sheet. @Myles I'm keeping my eye on you, pick up your game and prove you are town. Make some good cases and show me you are one of us. Right now you are more or less null which isn't a good place to be, I'll try to look at you with a totally open mind though. On July 03 2012 00:24 Myles wrote: Snippy snippy- So for now, this is my list of most suspicious from highest to lowest: Intact Fencer Bob Could be town or not: Hopeless iamperfection blind-rawr Looks like town: Promethelax AmericanUmlaut And was no one really watching JH despite being a pretty obvious target? Are we going to get anything at all to go off of? And where's our damn replacement? As to this I think you are being a little silly, we don't know what roles we have. We might not have a watcher or, even if we do they might have watched me. JH and I were the two obvious targets, its like saying that if we had a medic he should have saved JH; in hindsight that is true but in reality he might have protected me and been totally justified in it. I expect to be hit tonight anyway. The role I most want us to have is dt, I want to know his reads on people as I would love to have a confirmed town or scum. @Everyone: if you were dt who would you have checked last night? As I already said I would have checked Umlat since I was most null on him and a lot of my reads would be clearer if I knew which side of the line he fell on. His game has really stepped up today though so it would be someone else tomorrow night. I would switch Hopeless and Bob in your reasoning and add you to the null reads; Umlat is the towniest of the null reads and bob/myles the scummiest. My one really good townie red died n1. I hope someone steps up to fill his shoes. Oh, I see Umlat agrees with me: On July 03 2012 00:30 AmericanUmlaut wrote: EBWOP: I ask because my read is exactly the other way around. I feel like a scummy read on Bob is largely based on his lack of contributions, whereas Hopeless's actual posts have seemed scummy. In my mind being actively scummy is a louder ping than being passively scummy, and I'm curious about your thought process. I'm glad someone else is reading the thread and having thoughts about it. I do think there is a scum among the lurkers and I think that Umlat's case on Intact points us towards the most likely candidate. If we are wrong about intact I would follow him with Bob and I have no idea between perfection and Blindy. I see Myles had reasoning for the Bob v Hopeless thing which is nice. I'm glad he put thought into it at least. Here it is, though I'm sure you've seen it: On July 03 2012 00:36 Myles wrote: Bob is flying too low below the radar. Hopeless is iffy due to some of his early reasoning and the quick flip flop on the policy lynch of lurkers, but he's been providing a lot of info and taken a lot of heat while still keeping it up. It makes me a lot more hesitant than bob who has lived off the dumb scared newb label. Based on that Myles seems a little more townie, congratulations man you are a totally null read now. Make my faith in you justified. Prove yourself town, this is probably the only chance I'll give you to show us that you are green (if you are green) I'm still watching you but I want some real, and awesome, contribution. Wow: On July 03 2012 01:04 ghost_403 wrote: Fencar has officially dropped out and will be (hopefully) replaced. I, ah, I didn't expect that. I guess that he caved to the pressure. I have heard that playing scum is really stressful I guess it really got to him being found out. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9639 Posts
On July 03 2012 01:04 ghost_403 wrote: Fencar has officially dropped out and will be (hopefully) replaced. I dont know what to think now he is either the most frustrated town member ever or this is a brilliant play by the scum. | ||
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Fencar
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I forgot to say, Goodbye everyone! | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On July 03 2012 01:09 Fencar wrote: I can't wait until the end for you guys to find out. I forgot to say, Goodbye everyone! Fencars last couple posts make it sound like he wants town to screw it all up because we suspect him. If he flips town, I will be amazed. However, I don't want to push for his lynch just yet. Maybe he'll get a replacement, maybe he'll be modkilled. [green]Is there a deadline by which Fencar must be replaced before he is removed from the game?[green] | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
If I was DT I would have check Hopeless or myself. We were taking the most heat from people last night and I think it makes sense to be able to confirm/deny the accusations as early as possible. There's too many lurkers to try and take a chance on them, and I'm not sure the heat on Intact started early enough to make a difference. Fencar would be another good choice, but over the night he had also kind of fallen below the radar like Bob due to all the FoS JH was doing, and his scummyness comes more from his posting style than actual scummy stuff he's said(until now at least). And I know it's possible we don't have a watcher, but given that this is a newb game I would hope the deck didn't get completely stacked against us - that seems like a pretty critical role right under DT and medic. And as much as you and JH were working well together, he was definitely the lead and seemed would be the #1 target for the medic, watcher, and pbu's - assuming we have the first 2. You would have been second, imo, but a pretty clear 2nd. Fencar dropping out doesn't remove any of my suspicion, either. He did a poor job defending himself, has bandwagoned both votes, then when questions keep coming(as I would think anyone who isn't Prom, and maybe Umlaut, should expect) decides that's he done enough to make up for his initial mistake(which I would argue put him under less suspicion than me or Hopeless, he just kept a lot of the same activities that had people eyeing him before) and is over it. It's not conclusive, but nothing there tells me he is a fed up townsperson who did everything they could to help out. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On July 03 2012 01:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Fencars last couple posts make it sound like he wants town to screw it all up because we suspect him. If he flips town, I will be amazed. However, I don't want to push for his lynch just yet. Maybe he'll get a replacement, maybe he'll be modkilled. Is there a deadline by which Fencar must be replaced before he is removed from the game? EBWOP: Made the Question Green Is there a deadline by which Fencar must be replaced before he is removed from the game? | ||
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I also forgot to mention this is my first game.
