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Intact
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BobTheLob
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On July 01 2012 10:20 JingleHell wrote: Right now I'm feeling "towny scared out of shell". It's kind of like Anacletus' early posts, it's useless, but it feels almost too useless to be intentional. I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
The first page of our young hero's filter is made up of one line posts which range from soft defense of Anacletus On June 29 2012 07:08 Myles wrote: JingleHell, you sure are yippity. And creating quite the distraction... So soft you might call it flaccid, to talking about what a newb he is On June 29 2012 21:07 Myles wrote: Considering this is my first game, I hadn't put any thought into the idea that JH and Anacletus working together to create misinformation. Though, one of my first instincts when JH took the lead, but didn't really send us in any particular direction other than witch hunts and suggested we not take a very defined course of action, was that it seemed like he was trying to look like he was contributing without really doing so. I see Anacletus in a similar vein. That 6 out of his first 7 posts were jokes threw up red flags for me, and though his latest posts have been relevant and worthwhile for the most part, I'm still a bit leery. As for lurkers, Monk has posted twice, once to defend himself from JH random accusations. BobTheLob has posted twice, neither time saying too much. Blind-Rawr hasn't posted much either, but his posts have been pretty good. Besides that, everyone else has been pretty active. Now back to work. I've already made it clear how I feel about claiming newbie in a newb game, I won't say more on that subject. You'll see in the above post two soft defenses of town players (JH and Anacletus), I don't trust a soft defense it is too easy for mafia to completely ignore the player being looked at and instead talk about something different when the player flips green (which mafia obviously knows they will) the soft defender looks fine since he had nothing to do with killing a townie. This post: On July 01 2012 02:29 Myles wrote: Nearly all of my posts have been about policy or reads, or a question about policy. I still don't see how the are non-contributing. I still wonder why Bob is flying so low below the radar when he's posted nothing expect to bandwagon on Anacletusm, which everyone seemed to ignore. really threw me for a loop since up to this point at least half of Myles posts have been about silly things like set-up and jokes, why claim something that just isn;t true? Maybe he was hoping that no one would read his filter? Well I'm hoping that you will since that is what we need to do to build cases and find scum. Here Myles lies again On July 01 2012 04:42 Myles wrote: It's also irrelevant. And I realize there's little someone can say to defend themselves in situations like these, but disappearing for nearly a full day when the FoS is on you doesn't seem to add up. You've given one read on JH, everything else you said was general observations on early mafia games. And your post about people not voting thinking your town doesn't make sense either. If the non-voters were mafia(thus knowing you're town) they would hop on the bandwagon since it was already going strong, and thus not be more suspicious then anyone else. When in fact Anacletus had given three reads as I have shown earlier. Maybe he was exaggerating for dramatic effect? Its possible and if that was the case I wouldn't hold it against him. Do you know what Myles had to say about the fact that we mislynched our JK? Do you? No? Well let me let him tell you: On July 01 2012 06:14 Myles wrote: It's only 17:00 EDT... that is it, his first post after the night post in its entirety. Seriously? I was pissed, others were disappointed and Myles just looked at his watch. I've bolded a key phrase in this next post On July 01 2012 08:16 Myles wrote: Well then I guess I'll post my thoughts. First I think we should look at bandwagoners. I’m sure I’m under suspicion, or more so than before since I got the eye from some posters, for being part of the lynching, but I hope I explained my position enough that I get some BotD. A number of other people barely explained themselves at all before voting. Blind-rawr hopped on the bandwagon without much discussion and voted pretty early, but his subsequent posts explained his position. Intact did pretty much the same, just with a fewer number of posts. Fencer is tied at the top for most suspicions now imo. His overall behavior, combined with his hopping on the bandwagon really early, hopping off when he got some attention, then hopping back on seems really scummy. BobTheLob is right there with him. Lurker who used the same arguments as Fencer, hopped on the bandwagon with no reasoning, and the few posts he has made contributed nothing. The others who voted for Anacletus seem like they had a reasonable position. And while I can’t say we know for sure that those who didn’t vote for him are town, I think it’s really likely because the FoS went so quickly on Anacletus . He didn’t do much to convince us of his innocence, so if they were PBUs it’d be some serious metagaming to start backing off and potentially drawing attention when there was so much support. I'd like you to think about that, he hopes he has explained himself enough to get the benefit of the doubt. Not that he hopes to prove that he is town or that someone else is scum he just wants to have a respite from being attacked, he wants us to lay off of him and give him a break even though his posts were scummy. He wants the benefit of the doubt but hasn't proved why he should get it. I realize I'm just tooting my own horn here but I thnk people might have missed this On July 01 2012 08:48 Myles wrote: I know, and I agreed with that before. It was a valid reason to change focus and I think hopeless read on Fencer was as well. read the whole thing. Myles says that he JH did the same thing as fencer so it isn't scummy and, when I mentioned why JH did that Myles was quick to back off while citing a previous agreement with the reasoning. He tried to make JH lay off of Fencer but somehow forgot that he has to remain consistent with his own opinions. So read this and make up your own mind, why is Myles posting this way?Is he just stopping here to watch this thread fill up with spam or does he know whose town this is and Myles has to go? Pre-edit: I really wanted to make that Robert Frost reference but I don't think it was very good, ah well. JH: okay I'll assume Bob is being useless and not scummy right now. I'm still keeping an eye on him though. | ||
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JingleHell
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Promethelax
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Myles
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On July 01 2012 10:57 Promethelax wrote: The case on Myles (or Myles to go before I sleep): The first page of our young hero's filter is made up of one line posts which range from soft defense of Anacletus So soft you might call it flaccid, to talking about what a newb he is Looking back, it was a bad way to say I didn't like the chaotic way he was going about things. I've already made it clear how I feel about claiming newbie in a newb game, I won't say more on that subject. You'll see in the above post two soft defenses of town players (JH and Anacletus), I don't trust a soft defense it is too easy for mafia to completely ignore the player being looked at and instead talk about something different when the player flips green (which mafia obviously knows they will) the soft defender looks fine since he had nothing to do with killing a townie. That was 6 hours into the game and it seemed revelent. As for a soft defense, again, it was early so I was going on little information, which was mixed. This post: really threw me for a loop since up to this point at least half of Myles posts have been about silly things like set-up and jokes, why claim something that just isn;t true? Maybe he was hoping that no one would read his filter? Well I'm hoping that you will since that is what we need to do to build cases and find scum. Half of my posts have been set up and jokes? Maybe I'm misunderstanding set up, but at that point here's my posts I would on the topic of policy/suspicion + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 07:08 Myles wrote: JingleHell, you sure are yippity. And creating quite the distraction... On June 29 2012 07:17 Myles wrote: Not really defending you, just wondering why he's taking such a lead when we have nothing to go on. Starting a witch hunt is only going to get innocent people killed me thinks. Also, when did you suggest we start hunting? On June 29 2012 07:21 Myles wrote: I was going to say... And don't people have to post anyways? Are we going to say anyone who makes small or meaningless posts is a lurker? On June 29 2012 07:35 Myles wrote: How do you witch hunt in way that flushes out the actual scum? I think we need to be a little more deliberate here. When I interpret to mean that there can be more than one Heyoka or Complete Asshole and that there might be multiple roles not filled, am I correct? On June 29 2012 07:51 Myles wrote: I think getting people to talk is a good idea, and if a witch hunt is the only way to that than so be it. And I don't really have a better idea, so witch hunt it is I guess. On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote: I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people. On June 29 2012 09:53 Myles wrote: Actually, the fact that Anacletus has made 1 serious post out of 5 since the game started is somewhat suspicious to me as well. On June 29 2012 21:07 Myles wrote: Considering this is my first game, I hadn't put any thought into the idea that JH and Anacletus working together to create misinformation. Though, one of my first instincts when JH took the lead, but didn't really send us in any particular direction other than witch hunts and suggested we not take a very defined course of action, was that it seemed like he was trying to look like he was contributing without really doing so. I see Anacletus in a similar vein. That 6 out of his first 7 posts were jokes threw up red flags for me, and though his latest posts have been relevant and worthwhile for the most part, I'm still a bit leery. As for lurkers, Monk has posted twice, once to defend himself from JH random accusations. BobTheLob has posted twice, neither time saying too much. Blind-Rawr hasn't posted much either, but his posts have been pretty good. Besides that, everyone else has been pretty active. Now back to work. On July 01 2012 00:44 Myles wrote: Umlaut, I don't understand how you could consider me inactive with non-contributing posts. I was one of the first people to question Anecletus for being so non-serious and have 10 posts, which is only a couple less than you; and while they're not essays on meta analysis, I think they do provide some insight into how people are acting. Either way, I've been just as active and contributive as most. If you want inactive/non-contributing look at Monk and BobTheLob. They have 5 and 3 posts, respectively. Actually, the fact that BobTheLob has posted almost nothing, and has posted none of his own thoughts, but hoped on the bandwagon of Anacletus is kind of surprising to have not risen red flags. As far as why I stated I'm leaning towards Fencer, it's because nearly his entire post history has been useless. He's done a whole lot of talking about nothing while Anecletus at least contributed a little bit. They top my list as people who could be mafia, but if Bob doesn't speak up I might put him up there, too. vs posts that didn't say much/anything + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 12:14 Myles wrote: I'm going to bed and have work in the morning so now don't anybody freak out if I don't post for 12 hours or so. But my thoughts on Anacletus are at the top of the page and he hasn't done anything to lesson that. On June 30 2012 01:47 Myles wrote: Sarcasm really doesn't work over the interwebs -_- Even as newbie, I thought it was obvious it's nearly impossible to have 3 pages of notes on people when the game had only been open for a couple hours. Anyway, I think Anacletus is still suspicious. Despite that, I'm not ready to vote for him yet because I don't think starting off non-serious is that scummy considering there was pretty much nothing to go on, and we still have over a day before night falls. I'd would like to hear some more from him, though. And Fencer, I don't think you're making yourself look very good either. Here Myles lies again When in fact Anacletus had given three reads as I have shown earlier. Maybe he was exaggerating for dramatic effect? Its possible and if that was the case I wouldn't hold it against him. Maybe this is a difference in opinion. This is the only post of his I think is a read on a player. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 12:36 Anacletus wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856¤tpage=8#155 If you actually thought that this was true... I think JingleHell is playing aggressively which leads me to believe that he is a townie. I only made the one about any supposed notes, the thread has 10 pages. So no, I am not filling the thread with trash about notes. Do you know what Myles had to say about the fact that we mislynched our JK? Do you? No? Well let me let him tell you: that is it, his first post after the night post in its entirety. Seriously? I was pissed, others were disappointed and Myles just looked at his watch. There's no real good way to post after we fucked up imo. No matter what I posted there it could be interpreted as an albi or not caring. I've bolded a key phrase in this next post I'd like you to think about that, he hopes he has explained himself enough to get the benefit of the doubt. Not that he hopes to prove that he is town or that someone else is scum he just wants to have a respite from being attacked, he wants us to lay off of him and give him a break even though his posts were scummy. He wants the benefit of the doubt but hasn't proved why he should get it. JH had taken an interest in me because I thought Umlaut's proposal made some sense and had answered his question that I didn't think Hopeless's posts were that scummy. I didn't even make a big defense of him, just answered a question on what I though about him and then defended my position when JH questioned it. I realize I'm just tooting my own horn here but I thnk people might have missed this read the whole thing. Myles says that he JH did the same thing as fencer so it isn't scummy and, when I mentioned why JH did that Myles was quick to back off while citing a previous agreement with the reasoning. He tried to make JH lay off of Fencer but somehow forgot that he has to remain consistent with his own opinions. So read this and make up your own mind, why is Myles posting this way?Is he just stopping here to watch this thread fill up with spam or does he know whose town this is and Myles has to go? Pre-edit: I really wanted to make that Robert Frost reference but I don't think it was very good, ah well. JH: okay I'll assume Bob is being useless and not scummy right now. I'm still keeping an eye on him though. I really don't get this one. I said changing votes based on new info doesn't seem scummy and I never asked JH to back off Fencer as he was the 2nd on my list for a while. I said that Hopeless's change was based off new info so not scummy, the same way that JH had changed many times, early due to trying to create discussion, and later on when he felt Hopeless was incriminating himself, and I don't think that's scummy. On the other hand, Fencer bandwagoned on the Anecletus lynch, quickly changed his mind when blind-rawr mention lurkers, then hopped right back on as soon as someone else voted. That seems a lot more suspicious to me. And I'll make the Robert Frost reference for you considering I've heard it a million times. Miles to go before I sleep. 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BLinD-RawR
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Its night now but I hope we have some DTs do checks and build cases off them or else we are in trouble going into day 2. | ||
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Myles
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JH had taken an interest in me because I thought Umlaut's proposal made some sense and had answered his question that I didn't think Hopeless's posts were that scummy. I didn't even make a big defense of him, just answered a question on what I though about him and then defended my position when JH questioned it. That part there is inaccurate. JH hadn't begin to seriously accuse me yet. I got things wrong I think due to be flustered by the all the suspicion being thrown at me. Remembering correctly, I just figured since I was pointed at a bit before that I would be likely to fingered again. By adding it in there it only made things worse, I guess, and this probably only seals my fate. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On July 01 2012 09:33 Promethelax wrote: SNIP Let's look at his conclusion: it is bad to have a no lynch because if we kill of a town statistics suggests our next random lynch will be more likely to hit scum. Remember before this game started I said I was sorry if I was dumber than two rocks making love? I now present you with one of the two rocks required. Hopeless is either scum or playing an anti-town game because he has no idea what he is doing. Since the rest of us newbs figured it out I would guess it is the former rather than the latter. You've lost me Promethelax. My statement pertained to No Lynch and Mislynch (intentional or otherwise). Are you saying No Lynch is preferable? Because I'm saying Mislynch is preferable. Oh wait, when you cast your vote: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote: Well this is obnoxious, I think Anaacletus is scummy but I think Fencer is more scummy, however I will be at work when the voting ends and this is my last minute in this thread for this day cycle, since I think a no lynch is really bad for us I am going to switch my vote to Anacletus, I hope that if he flips town you all will look at my Fencer case, he really does look more scummy to me. I'm putting the hammer on Anacletus because we need a lynch and I won't be here to convince people that we should get Fencer, I would leave my vote on Fencer if I thought I could make the rest of you realize that he is scum but since you seem to want to go for the second reddest person I will do that as well to ensure a lynch. I hope that if we are wrong and Anacletus is town you will all take a second look at my case on Fencer, if Anacletus is town Fencer is even more likely to be scum. @Intact: If Anacletus flips scum and you feel the need to go after me I can't stop you, you should go after Fencer but if you don't do that you should go after him on day three after I flip green (all this assuming I live through the next two nights which I probably won't without medic protection). ##Unvote: Fencer710 ##Vote: Anacletus Is there any way to make sure I don't have to do this in the future since I won't be around for the voting deadline? i.e. would it be possible to PM one of you to say my preferences in terms of my vote. That a lynch is better than a no lynch and a lynch on Fenccer is better than a lynch on Anacletus and so on. I want my vote to count but I also have to make it about 12 hours before the deadline which really messes with me, thanks. Your actions agree with my conclusion, whether you agree with the deduction itself or not. My 'non-committal' posts (at least towards Anacletus) were in fact a good read by me to identify someone being bandwagoned for a weak case. I can't decide if you and JH tunneling me so far is actually scummy or not, but don't for one goddamn second think I don't know what I'm doing. | ||
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ghost_403
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JingleHell
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On July 01 2012 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote: You've lost me Promethelax. My statement pertained to No Lynch and Mislynch (intentional or otherwise). Are you saying No Lynch is preferable? Because I'm saying Mislynch is preferable. Oh wait, when you cast your vote: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote: Well this is obnoxious, I think Anaacletus is scummy but I think Fencer is more scummy, however I will be at work when the voting ends and this is my last minute in this thread for this day cycle, since I think a no lynch is really bad for us I am going to switch my vote to Anacletus, I hope that if he flips town you all will look at my Fencer case, he really does look more scummy to me. I'm putting the hammer on Anacletus because we need a lynch and I won't be here to convince people that we should get Fencer, I would leave my vote on Fencer if I thought I could make the rest of you realize that he is scum but since you seem to want to go for the second reddest person I will do that as well to ensure a lynch. I hope that if we are wrong and Anacletus is town you will all take a second look at my case on Fencer, if Anacletus is town Fencer is even more likely to be scum. @Intact: If Anacletus flips scum and you feel the need to go after me I can't stop you, you should go after Fencer but if you don't do that you should go after him on day three after I flip green (all this assuming I live through the next two nights which I probably won't without medic protection). ##Unvote: Fencer710 ##Vote: Anacletus Is there any way to make sure I don't have to do this in the future since I won't be around for the voting deadline? i.e. would it be possible to PM one of you to say my preferences in terms of my vote. That a lynch is better than a no lynch and a lynch on Fenccer is better than a lynch on Anacletus and so on. I want my vote to count but I also have to make it about 12 hours before the deadline which really messes with me, thanks. Your actions agree with my conclusion, whether you agree with the deduction itself or not. My 'non-committal' posts (at least towards Anacletus) were in fact a good read by me to identify someone being bandwagoned for a weak case. I can't decide if you and JH tunneling me so far is actually scummy or not, but don't for one goddamn second think I don't know what I'm doing. If you start basing your defense off an attack, it looks like an OMGUS. You should start by defending points against yourself first, then, if you feel there's a case, turn it around second. | ||
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ghost_403
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End of Night 1 ERROR WITH FLAVOR GENERATOR. TheToast is in the shop getting repaired this weekend. Flavor soon to follow. JingleHell playing the part of a the ABL Poster, has been found dead! Day 2 has begin. You have 48 hours to decide on your next lynch. Deadline is at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). And sorry for the lack of flavor. We'll get right on fixing that. | ||
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Promethelax
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Fuck this who is going to work on cases with mee noow? JH was mah buddy. (SORRY ABOUT SAYING DUMB THINGS IF I DO, drunk for canada day and the beerrs are saying the dumb things, not me) So JH is dead...WE need too acctually startt working together since I can't just work with myself on this one and I can't jsut carry town all the way. You know what the lasst thing my man JH Said in this thread?? He was all up on Hopeless. See this here On July 01 2012 22:10 JingleHell wrote: If you start basing your defense off an attack, it looks like an OMGUS. You should start by defending points against yourself first, then, if you feel there's a case, turn it around second. was JH tell scum to sit down and shut up. JH wasn't going to take no OMGUS shit from scum and neither should we so, based on his readsand the ccase he and I made yesterday I'm feeling very Red feelings from Hopeless. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On July 01 2012 13:46 Hopeless1der wrote: You've lost me Promethelax. My statement pertained to No Lynch and Mislynch (intentional or otherwise). Are you saying No Lynch is preferable? Because I'm saying Mislynch is preferable. Oh wait, when you cast your vote: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote: Well this is obnoxious, I think Anaacletus is scummy but I think Fencer is more scummy, however I will be at work when the voting ends and this is my last minute in this thread for this day cycle, since I think a no lynch is really bad for us I am going to switch my vote to Anacletus, I hope that if he flips town you all will look at my Fencer case, he really does look more scummy to me. I'm putting the hammer on Anacletus because we need a lynch and I won't be here to convince people that we should get Fencer, I would leave my vote on Fencer if I thought I could make the rest of you realize that he is scum but since you seem to want to go for the second reddest person I will do that as well to ensure a lynch. I hope that if we are wrong and Anacletus is town you will all take a second look at my case on Fencer, if Anacletus is town Fencer is even more likely to be scum. @Intact: If Anacletus flips scum and you feel the need to go after me I can't stop you, you should go after Fencer but if you don't do that you should go after him on day three after I flip green (all this assuming I live through the next two nights which I probably won't without medic protection). ##Unvote: Fencer710 ##Vote: Anacletus Is there any way to make sure I don't have to do this in the future since I won't be around for the voting deadline? i.e. would it be possible to PM one of you to say my preferences in terms of my vote. That a lynch is better than a no lynch and a lynch on Fenccer is better than a lynch on Anacletus and so on. I want my vote to count but I also have to make it about 12 hours before the deadline which really messes with me, thanks. Your actions agree with my conclusion, whether you agree with the deduction itself or not. My 'non-committal' posts (at least towards Anacletus) were in fact a good read by me to identify someone being bandwagoned for a weak case. I can't decide if you and JH tunneling me so far is actually scummy or not, but don't for one goddamn second think I don't know what I'm doing. Nonono no, no. I'm saying your conclusion was a townie one but your reasoning was a dumb as a rock one. If you know what you are doing why diid you make a post that says that a mislynch is better for us than a no lynch??? A scum lynch is better for us and wee should get one, I thought I was lynching scum when I lynched Analfist and didn't think we'd mislynch. You said a mislynch is good for us which is obviously isn't. Lynchinf SCummy sccum scum=good Lynching green townie playing stupid=bad thats is it man, simple. | ||
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BobTheLob
Canada362 Posts
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