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On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer)
I think it's a bit of both. One person that is extremely suspicious in my eyes is Intact, who was never looked at seriously by JingleHell. Of course, Hopeless is also suspicious because JingleHell's (second) last post before death was against him, as were all the posts including Hopeless before that.
I think the dead men got their votes right, but we will have to wait for the accused responses to be sure. For the moment, FoS on both Intact and Hopeless1der.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 09:33 Promethelax wrote:Between Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Let's suppose many people neglect to post...if we can't get a decent case going, are we cool to lynch lurkers?
Everyone on board? and Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 29 2012 07:19 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, if many people neglect to post, it's the worst time to lynch lurkers, so why would you suggest it, Myles? Mathematically, if 6 lurk, then, if we assume 100% of the scum are also amongst the lurkers, we're already at a coinflip to get a scum. Very true. At that point its useless to policy lurkers. Now is the time to get this crap out of the way though. I do think we need some kind of policy to follow since the game is majority Lynch. Let's figure out our options and get the scumhunt on. something happened. Something more than the passage of 23 minutes. Looking into the thread it seems that it was JH and his actually bad post that convinced Myles to change his mind. See a 50% chance of hitting scum on d1 is good. I would take that on any d1 since clearly leaving us to our own devices didn't work very well. Since all that happened to change Myles' mind in thread was that one poorly thought out post I wonder if there wasn't something outside the thread that was posted, maybe in scum qt? No proof but something I'm taking into account. He follows this with a lot of useless one-liners and non-committal attacks against both Fencer and Anacletus. After wading through the mess he has made of his posting I also found this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 06:17 Fencer710 wrote:Single words are fine, though. Damn lack of edit button increasing my post count artifically.  It's like accidently opening no-gas in a matchup where you normally open gas because you forgot his race, then forced to all-in because you don't know how to open gasless FE. Argh...Thanks for derailing us hard ghost. It's time to get back to scumhunting now? and for future reference, the quoted post is usually seen as a complete waste of time and reason for suspicion. where he says things that sound townie but doesn't do anything with those things. The next post I want you to pay attention to is this one: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts! I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 which brought my attention on to our hopeless friend. From this point on he knows he is being watched and his posts change slightly. After this point Wonder never hard defends himself, instead he stops posting one-liners and tries to look more active, it looks to me like a guy who knows he is under suspicsion and wants to change that. That is not a town trait. When one of us comes under suspicsion our goal should be to act in a pro-town way to hunt scum, instead 1der has posted in a pro 1der way and not attempted to hunt scum at all. So, if that hasn't onvinced you, and I'm not sure it should I would like to give you the crowning jewl in the hopeless1der is a hopeless scum player case. Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:The biggest scumtell I've had so far is the whole mislynch vs no lynch. To that I submit the following: WORST CASE SCENARIO No Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +
Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
No Lynch, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 8 Town, 3 Scum (37.5% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch
(Mis)Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
Lynch Town, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 7 Town, 3 Scum (42.8% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch) Conclusion: Mislynch Bad. No Lynch Worse. On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
SNIP
My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch. WTF YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS WHY AM I DEFENDING MYSELF TO YOU?? Let's look at his conclusion: it is bad to have a no lynch because if we kill of a town statistics suggests our next random lynch will be more likely to hit scum. Remember before this game started I said I was sorry if I was dumber than two rocks making love? I now present you with one of the two rocks required. Hopeless is either scum or playing an anti-town game because he has no idea what he is doing. Since the rest of us newbs figured it out I would guess it is the former rather than the latter.
I believe he has also completely ignored Intact as well, and vice versa. This makes me even more certain that they are Mafia.
##Vote Hopeless1der
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On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer)
Gin and tognic now!
If JH dead I die next nigght unless medic. I'm only town taking lead, I think scum look at me and JH, ccoinflip lands on a crumb so it comms up JH. They decide kill me nixt night.
Still think reads good: JH and I on same path.
FoS Hopless and Myless and little bet Fencer too.
I lik eBob now, he is drinky too! But too lurkey.
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On July 02 2012 08:09 Fencer710 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) I think it's a bit of both. One person that is extremely suspicious in my eyes is Intact, who was never looked at seriously by JingleHell. Of course, Hopeless is also suspicious because JingleHell's (second) last post before death was against him, as were all the posts including Hopeless before that. I think the dead men got their votes right, but we will have to wait for the accused responses to be sure. For the moment, FoS on both Intact and Hopeless1der.
This is a big reason to think carefully on what the scum is trying to do. It makes me extremely suspicious and is a big WIFOM situation.
The most likely options are that either:
I'm scum and I'm trying to shut him up
or
I'm getting set up because I've repeatedly challenged Jingle throughout and I am already kind of under suspicion.
Quite frankly I agree that I look really suspicious, but if we try to chase down my case, the scum get a lot of time to spend lurking instead of talking. I'd rather present cases on other players who I think are more suspicious than me.
Fencer, what specifically pushed you over the edge with promethelaxes case on me? You're bandwagoning again without contributing much to the discussion. I will address the Intact situation shortly. You managed to post that thought as I was going through his filter so this will look like a reactionary post, but so be it.
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On July 02 2012 08:25 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) Gin and tognic now! If JH dead I die next nigght unless medic. I'm only town taking lead, I think scum look at me and JH, ccoinflip lands on a crumb so it comms up JH. They decide kill me nixt night. Still think reads good: JH and I on same path. FoS Hopless and Myless and little bet Fencer too. I lik eBob now, he is drinky too! But too lurkey.
YAY BOOZE :D:D:D:D I'm haveing a bit of lime beer right now because I ran out of coke am going to get more soon
Also <3 spellcheck + chrome !
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Also hopeless makes since now butttttt I still think he's a bit iffy Fencer wit the early vote wtf dude! EXPLAIN
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On June 29 2012 20:22 Intact wrote:
I think I saw this type of play in a previous mafia game. Not sure which one though. There were 2 mafia who argued agressivly towards eachother early on. This reminds me of that occasion.
On June 29 2012 21:37 Intact wrote:
My first guess was Myles, however he is no longer on top of the list(although I will keep an eye on him). I'm leaning mostly towards Analectus, his posts contain very little of value and seems more like a way to avoid being branded a lurker. And like I said before I have seen scum play that is similar to what JH and Analectus is doing.
Intact is sure he's seen this before from scum in previous games...Except they both are dead after D1/N1 and both flipped town.
Following these posts, his next post is (in its entirety)
On June 29 2012 23:28 Intact wrote:
##Vote Analectus
No discussion, no thoughts, just hopping on board.
After promethelax comes in to push his case on Fencer (which no one but me really took to), Intact sees this as a very suspicious move. Promethelax is attempting to flesh out multiple cases on day 1 instead of tunnelling one person, and Intact deems that scum behaviour because it might split the town and cause tension. On the other hand, Anacletus flipped town, so Promethelax had the right idea going after someone else.
He justifies his choice to stand by his vote with:
On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote:
In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies.
This is not true in the slightest and just screams scum to me. JH quickly picks up on it:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 30 2012 10:51 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote:
In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies. Uhm, it really doesn't work that way. Because they know that we know that they know that we know... you can get as meta as you want, what it really comes down to is educated guesses, and convincing other people those judgement calls are reasonable. Both sides know the same things, and both sides can try to meta-game. You can't second guess the people who know more than you and get the same updates to info as you. All you can do is look for what they do with the information.
That last line in the spoiler is the biggest point here. Intact is assuming that a lynch would reveal perfect information about who voted. That cant work since town must be involved in the mislynch, so how could you know with certainty who is scum and who is town? Unless you're scum, you cant possibly know after a D1 Lynch.
Finally, he is currently lurking after saying:
On July 01 2012 10:23 Intact wrote:
So I see that there is some doubt about me and my posting. I'll try adress that in a couple of hours when I wake up. Just got home from a nightclub so trying to make sense seems like a bad idea right now.
Maybe he's still hungover? Or maybe he's hoping no one calls him out so he can continue to lurk, post a vote with little to no thought (Seriously read his filter, he barely scratches the surface of suspecting someone), and get away scot-free again.
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It's hard to make a clear read on JH's death when he was a pretty obvious target with how he had taken the lead. We need to get more people talking again or else we won't learn anything. I don't think we should be taking our eyes off the lurkers.
Intact also posted this
On July 01 2012 10:23 Intact wrote:
So I see that there is some doubt about me and my posting. I'll try adress that in a couple of hours when I wake up. Just got home from a nightclub so trying to make sense seems like a bad idea right now. And never posted again after being fingered by Anacletus.
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EBWOP:I should have remembered JH's advice and refreshed before posting.
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On July 02 2012 08:23 Fencer710 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 09:33 Promethelax wrote:Between Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Let's suppose many people neglect to post...if we can't get a decent case going, are we cool to lynch lurkers?
Everyone on board? and Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 29 2012 07:19 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, if many people neglect to post, it's the worst time to lynch lurkers, so why would you suggest it, Myles? Mathematically, if 6 lurk, then, if we assume 100% of the scum are also amongst the lurkers, we're already at a coinflip to get a scum. Very true. At that point its useless to policy lurkers. Now is the time to get this crap out of the way though. I do think we need some kind of policy to follow since the game is majority Lynch. Let's figure out our options and get the scumhunt on. something happened. Something more than the passage of 23 minutes. Looking into the thread it seems that it was JH and his actually bad post that convinced Myles to change his mind. See a 50% chance of hitting scum on d1 is good. I would take that on any d1 since clearly leaving us to our own devices didn't work very well. Since all that happened to change Myles' mind in thread was that one poorly thought out post I wonder if there wasn't something outside the thread that was posted, maybe in scum qt? No proof but something I'm taking into account. He follows this with a lot of useless one-liners and non-committal attacks against both Fencer and Anacletus. After wading through the mess he has made of his posting I also found this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:39 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 06:17 Fencer710 wrote:Single words are fine, though. Damn lack of edit button increasing my post count artifically. It's like accidently opening no-gas in a matchup where you normally open gas because you forgot his race, then forced to all-in because you don't know how to open gasless FE. Argh...Thanks for derailing us hard ghost. It's time to get back to scumhunting now? and for future reference, the quoted post is usually seen as a complete waste of time and reason for suspicion. where he says things that sound townie but doesn't do anything with those things. The next post I want you to pay attention to is this one: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts! I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 which brought my attention on to our hopeless friend. From this point on he knows he is being watched and his posts change slightly. After this point Wonder never hard defends himself, instead he stops posting one-liners and tries to look more active, it looks to me like a guy who knows he is under suspicsion and wants to change that. That is not a town trait. When one of us comes under suspicsion our goal should be to act in a pro-town way to hunt scum, instead 1der has posted in a pro 1der way and not attempted to hunt scum at all. So, if that hasn't onvinced you, and I'm not sure it should I would like to give you the crowning jewl in the hopeless1der is a hopeless scum player case. Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:The biggest scumtell I've had so far is the whole mislynch vs no lynch. To that I submit the following: WORST CASE SCENARIO No Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +
Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
No Lynch, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 8 Town, 3 Scum (37.5% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch
(Mis)Lynch Day1 + Show Spoiler +Day1: 9 Town, 3 Scum (33.333% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch)
Lynch Town, Mafia hit on town
Day2: 7 Town, 3 Scum (42.8% Chance of hitting scum with random lynch) Conclusion: Mislynch Bad. No Lynch Worse. On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
SNIP
My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch. WTF YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS WHY AM I DEFENDING MYSELF TO YOU?? Let's look at his conclusion: it is bad to have a no lynch because if we kill of a town statistics suggests our next random lynch will be more likely to hit scum. Remember before this game started I said I was sorry if I was dumber than two rocks making love? I now present you with one of the two rocks required. Hopeless is either scum or playing an anti-town game because he has no idea what he is doing. Since the rest of us newbs figured it out I would guess it is the former rather than the latter. EBWOP: Holy *** I completely missed this post. I think it was because I was tired yesterday; I was up early, and I stayed up until around 8PM PDT last night before finally going to bed. :/ (check post history if you think I'm lying) I believe he has also completely ignored Intact as well, and vice versa. This makes me even more certain that they are Mafia. ##Vote Hopeless1der
Before we go so willy nilly with our votes and put hopeless on the execution block we should at least wait to see what intact has to say. Hopeless brought up some good points and there is no reason to rush to vote since we have so much time on our hands. Lets get all the information we can before voting.
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Sorry for my inactivity, internet died and It's quite annoying trying to write long texts from my phone. ISP says it will be fixed by tomorrow.
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Really lurky, and told Fencer to hold off on his really early vote on Anacletus
On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting.
On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting.
He goes on to Vote Anacletus anyways with very little further discussion from him. In fact there was little discussion FROM ANYONE. Read through the posts from when Fencer voted to when Intact voted. What changed? If anything, it was iamperfection hounding Fencer for sounding suspicious.
This bandwagon vote was initiated by Intact, 2nd'd by Fencer (To throw off iamperfection?). Am.Umlaut came in and explained why he was voting the way he did, then dropped another vote for Anacletus.
4th:
On June 29 2012 23:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
##Vote Analectus
going with what little we have, hes been the most scummy so far.
That's not a solid reason to vote for someone...that should be FoS material right there.
Next post, after Promethelax brings up Fencer's questionable play:
On June 30 2012 13:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Fencer has been quite unproductive, making excuses about being a newbie when he knows this is a newbie game, posting a lot to compensate for that, but I'm not ready to unvote for anacletus just yet.
Is there anyway to know what roles have been filled by players?(I'm not asking who is what, I'm asking only the roles that has been filled since this has so few players therefore not all roles are filled on both sides)
This post comes after a couple hours of discussion, so perhaps there isn't too much to add in, but his question to the mods is detailed in the OP of the thread. Semi-Open. It feels like hes trying to make posts without actually contributing.
His next post addresses the fact that NrGMonk and BobtheLob have yet to really post much and he wishes he could make some reads. Meanwhile he has yet to provide a read of his own on anyone. A very easy way to look like its someone else's fault he's not as active as he'd like to be.
On July 01 2012 01:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I didn't do this yesterday, I'm calling it a night now so people know when I'm on and when I'm not, so seeing as I will miss the Night post I got somethings to say.
I just hope that we don't end up in a no lynch situation and I really do want fresh reads from monk who has been largely inactive and people need to push on Bob to talk too.
Bob has been as helpless as Fencer (who I think is more of an uncomfortable player than straight up scum but either way hes been hurting town play by not contributing) and worse is that we can't even get a read on him because he doesn't post.
so until I have some sort of epiphany and rush to my PC, I'm going to stand by the Anacletus lynch.
His post following the mislynch was kind of an "aw shucks, better luck next time team. Let's..continue to play the game and maybe find scum?" The post doesn't provide any insight into why we mislynched or if there is anyone in particular he feels is worth investigating. Just a generic, Go Team! vibe.
The biggest thing that catches my eye is the way that nothing really changed to influence the decisions to Vote Anacletus, but with 4 votes, it seemed unlikely that we'd be able to build a case on anyone else in time for the deadline.
I'm hesitant to think that all 3 scum would vote for Anacletus like that, but my top 3 reads are Fencer710, Intact, and BLinD-RawR
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Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo)
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On July 02 2012 09:11 Intact wrote:
Sorry for my inactivity, internet died and It's quite annoying trying to write long texts from my phone. ISP says it will be fixed by tomorrow. This is very convenient after posting that he'll make a statement, then a heavy FoS goes on Hopeless and I, and he never makes said post. I would consider this enough of a reason to go through the hassle of posting from a phone. Pushing things back to tomorrow seems like more delaying so that shit can hit the fan in someone else's direction. First because he just got back from the nightclub, and now because his home internet is out.
And that Fencer is so quick to cast his vote makes him still suspicious to me. In this case it's pretty bandwagony and makes it easy for other people to jump on.
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On July 02 2012 09:26 BobTheLob wrote:
Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo)
Based on the way your vote fell, I see it as a bandwagon but because you don't want to look suspicious. No one else has made a solid case on anyone, so the scummiest looking player takes another hit. However, you lurk to an incredible degree, and you have a series of posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D On July 01 2012 05:25 BobTheLob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:50 iamperfection wrote:On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote:Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer. I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D I would like to point out that you basicaly used the same argument fencer made several pages ago that he was asleep and just happened to latch on to antoher persons view. It really doesnt matter if your townie or not but your post is especially bad because not only do you cast suspicion on your self for no reason you are in no way helping the town if in fact you are a townie. If you had simply read the thread you would have seen the same thing happening to fencer. Wait so you're saying that because I point out that I couldn't post responses to the statements that I hadn't been posting because I was asleep, and saying that I don't post much anyway so not talking much wouldn't be indicative of anything, means that I'm not helping? I was debating the points others have, and by doing so am causing discussion (Which is what we want). So if I may ask if you are accusing me of something just come out and say it.
where you basically say you don't post much, get called out for it, and make a really long and confusing attempt to establish the fact that you shouldn't be held accountable for lurking. While I frown upon lurking in general, my big problem here is that last post where you say:
I was debating the points others have, and by doing so am causing discussion (Which is what we want). So if I may ask if you are accusing me of something just come out and say it.
Quite frankly, you didn't. Your next post kind of had some reads but a lot of it was "I don't know" and "not conclusive". At least we have a starting point for where you're at in the game to go back to later.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking
People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive
Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them
Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue
Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above
AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either
Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong
Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know
That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up
Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower?
You admit that you've lurked, that its bad, and that you should provide more reads. Please continue that train of thought.
The last few things you did were admit to drinking and pointing out the WIFOM that the scum have set up regarding JH's NightKill. Not discussing or presenting ideas, just pointing out that it has happened. At least you aren't jumping the gun to accusing me I suppose...
Your play looks poor at best, but I don't yet see a link between you and the other scummy players on my radar, so I'm hesitantly considering you town. That could very quickly change so be on your toes. And post more reads.
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On July 02 2012 09:18 Hopeless1der wrote:+ Show Spoiler +\/ BlinD-RawR /\ Really lurky, and told Fencer to hold off on his really early vote on Anacletus On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting. On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting. He goes on to Vote Anacletus anyways with very little further discussion from him. In fact there was little discussion FROM ANYONE. Read through the posts from when Fencer voted to when Intact voted. What changed? If anything, it was iamperfection hounding Fencer for sounding suspicious. This bandwagon vote was initiated by Intact, 2nd'd by Fencer (To throw off iamperfection?). Am.Umlaut came in and explained why he was voting the way he did, then dropped another vote for Anacletus. 4th: On June 29 2012 23:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
##Vote Analectus
going with what little we have, hes been the most scummy so far. That's not a solid reason to vote for someone...that should be FoS material right there. Next post, after Promethelax brings up Fencer's questionable play: On June 30 2012 13:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Fencer has been quite unproductive, making excuses about being a newbie when he knows this is a newbie game, posting a lot to compensate for that, but I'm not ready to unvote for anacletus just yet.
Is there anyway to know what roles have been filled by players?(I'm not asking who is what, I'm asking only the roles that has been filled since this has so few players therefore not all roles are filled on both sides) This post comes after a couple hours of discussion, so perhaps there isn't too much to add in, but his question to the mods is detailed in the OP of the thread. Semi-Open. It feels like hes trying to make posts without actually contributing. His next post addresses the fact that NrGMonk and BobtheLob have yet to really post much and he wishes he could make some reads. Meanwhile he has yet to provide a read of his own on anyone. A very easy way to look like its someone else's fault he's not as active as he'd like to be. On July 01 2012 01:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I didn't do this yesterday, I'm calling it a night now so people know when I'm on and when I'm not, so seeing as I will miss the Night post I got somethings to say.
I just hope that we don't end up in a no lynch situation and I really do want fresh reads from monk who has been largely inactive and people need to push on Bob to talk too.
Bob has been as helpless as Fencer (who I think is more of an uncomfortable player than straight up scum but either way hes been hurting town play by not contributing) and worse is that we can't even get a read on him because he doesn't post.
so until I have some sort of epiphany and rush to my PC, I'm going to stand by the Anacletus lynch. His post following the mislynch was kind of an "aw shucks, better luck next time team. Let's..continue to play the game and maybe find scum?" The post doesn't provide any insight into why we mislynched or if there is anyone in particular he feels is worth investigating. Just a generic, Go Team! vibe. The biggest thing that catches my eye is the way that nothing really changed to influence the decisions to Vote Anacletus, but with 4 votes, it seemed unlikely that we'd be able to build a case on anyone else in time for the deadline. I'm hesitant to think that all 3 scum would vote for Anacletus like that, but my top 3 reads are Fencer710, Intact, and BLinD-RawR
Firstly I didn't know the deterrence between semi-open and an open game was until I saw the NMMXX thread and noticed the difference, and to be honest I really wanted to know because I wanted DTs to actually do their job instead of avoiding the fact that they exist in the game and use them back cases that have already been made on scum or build new cases based on who they checked on Night 1.
What exactly would you have liked me to say after anacletus did get lynched?
And yourself why should I believe any case you build from the sole fact that one of the 2 people who was on your case from the beginning was killed last night and what do you do? You redirect attention towards other people because there is nothing much you can do for the cases built against you.
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Firstly I didn't know the deterrence between semi-open and an open game was until I saw the NMMXX thread and noticed the difference, and to be honest I really wanted to know because I wanted DTs to actually do their job instead of avoiding the fact that they exist in the game and use them back cases that have already been made on scum or build new cases based on who they checked on Night 1.
What exactly would you have liked me to say after anacletus did get lynched?
And yourself why should I believe any case you build from the sole fact that one of the 2 people who was on your case from the beginning was killed last night and what do you do? You redirect attention towards other people because there is nothing much you can do for the cases built against you.
"didn't know the difference..."? I have difficulty buying this explanation. But its he-said-she-said at this point so I'll drop it.
A simple gg for Anacletus would have sufficed, but you proceed to speculate on things he (obviously) could have done, and you just sound so very upset like it was a personal blow to you. You voted for him, you thought he was scum (didn't you?) He flips town and your resolve crumbles. Perhaps some feel its a townie trait to be remorseful, but the sentiment doesn't accomplish anything to out the scum. I consider your post scummy.
Did you notice that JH wasn't just tunnelling me the entire time? JH actively pursued every case he could find in order to generate discussion and make reads. This would easily explain why he got killed by scum. It also heavily implicated me because one of his last posts were in response to my actions. However if given another day, he would probably have made a case on me and continued to make more cases. We'll never know, but I'd like to think that's what a good townie should do. What have you done besides attack my credibility? I want to see reads, not vague accusations of what might be scummy behaviour.
I know I'm suspicious, but the scum benefit from us wasting time. The case against me is already out there. If you think its a good one, pursue it. However, the more time spent on me is less time spent on any other case. Which option do you think benefits town in the long run? Redirection is not my priority. Scum is my priority. My reads could be wrong, but they give people options to perhaps see a connection that went unnoticed and see what issues were swept under the rug later on. All of this contributes to making stronger reads going forwards. If I still look scummy, well I did everything I could to give the town some solid options and my reads will look that much stronger if/when I flip town.
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The lurking PBU
There are currently four posters whose activity levels are low enough that I'd characterize them as lurking: Intact, BobTheLob, Blind-Rawr and iamperfection all have less than a page of posts, which is very little considering the amount of discussion that went on prior to the game actually starting.
There are three PBUs. If they are playing intelligently, they will have noticed from the beginning that this game has had a fairly large number of lurkers, and one of them will be chilling among them and doing their best to just scoot by. It's possible that two scum are lurking, but I would guess that the others are among the more active posters because having only a single active community member puts you in a bad position if that player gets lynched; the PBUs lose their ability to manipulate debate, and one of the previous lurkers trying to establish their voice afterward is obviously scummy play.
I think that my logic for concluding that at least one of the four low-post players is a PBU is strategically sound. Ideally we would flush them out by getting the other three to start posting more analysis, but I think it's clear at this point that we're going to have to win this with a couple of low-content players amongst us, which means we need to figure out which of the lurkers is most likely our PBU. We have little to go on, but let's take a look at what's available:
iamperfection: His posting day 1 was worthless. Since day 2 has begun, he's started to participate, albeit in a very low-key manner. I'd like to see more thought-out posts from him, but I'm leaning toward his being one of the good guys and just unsure of how to play as the game got going.
BobTheLob: His posting day 1 was worthless. His posting day 2 is worthless. My read is entirely worthless, because he's not playing. In an environment where everyone was being super productive and he was just posting about how drunk he is, I'd say let Kwark pop him, but I feel like the odds are too good that he's actually just a really awful town player to take that risk.
Blind-RawR: Also posting so little actual analysis that it's hard to make any kind of useful read. However, Hopeless1der's case against him is such a stretch that my conclusion is that it's almost certainly a clumsy attempt at provoking another mislynch and that Blind_RawR is thus probably town.
Which leaves us with:
Intact:
On June 29 2012 20:22 Intact wrote:
I think I saw this type of play in a previous mafia game. Not sure which one though. There were 2 mafia who argued agressivly towards eachother early on. This reminds me of that occasion.
This is basically Intact's first move of the game: A vague reference to how maybe JH and Anacletus might both be scum, but presented in such a way that it's easy to distance yourself from later on. I acknowledge that I responded with agreement that this could be a useful bit of analysis if one of them flipped red, but knowing that both were town makes this look like an attempt to get discussion moving toward a mislynch.
On June 30 2012 10:29 Intact wrote:
I'm going to stand by my read as analectus being scum but I have also become very suspicious of promethelax. People may have been bandwagoning analectus but as soon as he got into lynching territory promethelax show up with a long thread pointing out someone else, thereby making some people switch vote. This causes divisions and tensions among the town which is exactly what the scum want. I lean more towards fencer just playing badly and promethelax trying to save his scum partner analectus.
I really don't see anything suspicious about Promethelax's case against Fencer. I think I'm not alone when I say that he's around the top of the suspects list at the moment. What about Promethelax's analysis of Fencer's play seemed suspicious? This seems like an attempt to just sow dissent without any real logic behind it.
And then comes this brilliant observation:
On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote:
In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies.
Anacletus was, in fact, one of the good guys. We banned him. By what logic are we now able to confirm some townies? This post is just stupid, and to me it stinks of someone who is playing with the full information that a PBU has, and hasn't thought through the logic of the limited information environment that we town players are in enough to fake logical conclusions that sound like they were made by a townie.
Summary: Four players (25% of the game population) are posting at barely-there levels, which leads me to conclude that at least one PBU is almost certainly hiding among them. An analysis of the few posts that they have made leads me to conclude that Intact is by far the most suspicious among them.
The scumteam I currently have in mind is Intact, hopeless1der and Fencer710. Of the three, I feel the most strongly about Intact and hopeless1der; I feel like Fencer could conceivable be really bad and having a panicky reaction to being suspected. If anyone could help me analyze the way those three have interacted to argue either in favor of or against my hypothesis, I'd really appreciate the help.
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On July 02 2012 08:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 08:09 Fencer710 wrote:On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote:
Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite.
(In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) I think it's a bit of both. One person that is extremely suspicious in my eyes is Intact, who was never looked at seriously by JingleHell. Of course, Hopeless is also suspicious because JingleHell's (second) last post before death was against him, as were all the posts including Hopeless before that. I think the dead men got their votes right, but we will have to wait for the accused responses to be sure. For the moment, FoS on both Intact and Hopeless1der. This is a big reason to think carefully on what the scum is trying to do. It makes me extremely suspicious and is a big WIFOM situation. The most likely options are that either: I'm scum and I'm trying to shut him up or I'm getting set up because I've repeatedly challenged Jingle throughout and I am already kind of under suspicion. Quite frankly I agree that I look really suspicious, but if we try to chase down my case, the scum get a lot of time to spend lurking instead of talking. I'd rather present cases on other players who I think are more suspicious than me. Fencer, what specifically pushed you over the edge with promethelaxes case on me? You're bandwagoning again without contributing much to the discussion. I will address the Intact situation shortly. You managed to post that thought as I was going through his filter so this will look like a reactionary post, but so be it.
I personally can't find much, so I was drawing attention to things I thought were very interesting.
Promethelaxes' post is very convincing. He brought up a lot of good points, and you were already very suspicious.
That said, I will make a note of who has contributed with analysis so far:
1) Anacletus: No, Dead.
2) Myles: Yes. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:16 Myles wrote:
Well then I guess I'll post my thoughts.
First I think we should look at bandwagoners. I’m sure I’m under suspicion, or more so than before since I got the eye from some posters, for being part of the lynching, but I hope I explained my position enough that I get some BotD. A number of other people barely explained themselves at all before voting.
Blind-rawr hopped on the bandwagon without much discussion and voted pretty early, but his subsequent posts explained his position.
Intact did pretty much the same, just with a fewer number of posts.
Fencer is tied at the top for most suspicions now imo. His overall behavior, combined with his hopping on the bandwagon really early, hopping off when he got some attention, then hopping back on seems really scummy.
BobTheLob is right there with him. Lurker who used the same arguments as Fencer, hopped on the bandwagon with no reasoning, and the few posts he has made contributed nothing.
The others who voted for Anacletus seem like they had a reasonable position. And while I can’t say we know for sure that those who didn’t vote for him are town, I think it’s really likely because the FoS went so quickly on Anacletus . He didn’t do much to convince us of his innocence, so if they were PBUs it’d be some serious metagaming to start backing off and potentially drawing attention when there was so much support.
3) NrGmonk: Yes.(Being Replaced) + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 01:37 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +Monk is just not here. A couple of posts explaining how newbie you are, and a pretty limp-wristed FoS on Anacletus. If Anacletus's "nothing but short posts which don't adequately defend himself" is sufficient for him to be the only player you've even discussed as possible scum, what are we to conclude from your total lack of contribution? The difference is I never felt the urgency to defend myself, because I was never accused. I also went out last night and only got home this morning. You can check the veracity of this statement from The Newbie XVIII game. Anyways, time to contribute. One argument I have in Anacletus's defense is that even though he's close to being lynched, no one has really mounted a strong defense for him or has been really adamant to accuse someone else. If he were really mafia, I would suspect at least 2 other people to help him out a bit more. Fencer's play just seems nooby to me more than scummy. I would personally give him the BotD, at least for day 1. I'll look into this more after this post though. But to be honest, at this point, it seems more likely that scum is in one of the lurkers rather than in one of these two. Btw, the bigggest lurkers include BobTheLob and me and below that there's Intact, BLinD-RawR, and Myles. I want to bring special attention to Intact. Although he posts a decent amount, it seems to be filled with one-liners that don't really contribute much to anything and state the obvious. Check his filter, but for the lazy, here's some highlights: Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 20:22 Intact wrote:
I think I saw this type of play in a previous mafia game. Not sure which one though. There were 2 mafia who argued agressivly towards eachother early on. This reminds me of that occasion. Trying to edge on Anacletus's hanging with a random story that doesn't really help anyone. Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote:
In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies. Stating the obvious, and trying to gun for the lynch. At the same time, however, it seems extremely weird that Anacletus would vote for Intact without any providing any reasons. Suspicion goes back to Anacletus...I would really like to hear some explanation on this from him. Anyways, these are just my thoughts and I just want to lay them out so I could get feedback. Not really solidly accusing anyone though until I can get some feedback.
4) JingleHell: Yes, Dead. (Too many analysis' to spoiler.)
5) American Umlaut: Yes. (Same as above)
6) Intact: No.
7) BobTheLob: Yes, poor. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote:
Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking
People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive
Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them
Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue
Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above
AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either
Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong
Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know
That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up
Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower?
8) BLinD-RawR: No.
9) iamperfection: No.
10)Promethelax: Yes. (same as Jinglehell)
11)Fencer710/Fencar: Yes. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 02:42 Fencer710 wrote:OK, guys. It's time for me to contribute, as well. An analysis on Promethelax: Early on, he has been very suspicious of Anacletus, as shown be these spoilered posts: + Show Spoiler +On June 29 2012 08:47 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:38 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote:On June 29 2012 08:12 Intact wrote:
I know it's a bit early to try and make a read, however my short list of possible scum is topped by Myles atm. Primarily because it seems like he wants to promote inactivity. It's a loose read but someone had to get this started. I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people. I think Myles is right here, we need to think this through. I'm certainly not opposed to a lurker lynch but if we are going to start targeting a single player it should be for a good reason. Intact, if you think Myles is scummy you should keep a close eye on him and see how he acts see what he does and build a case. We as townies need to work together though we have the deductive power of nine smart (I hope) people on our side, we should try to use that power. I have 3 pages of notes already. And I wrote all of those notes in red ink. Only people who are guilty have note pages written about them in red ink. He must be scum! Oh, well in that case lets lynch him! + Show Spoiler +What do your notes say (assuming you weren't joking about them) what are your reads? Your thoughts and ideas. I know only a few of us are posting right now but that makes it easier, just assume that there still could be a scum among the posters and start hunting. No one needs to succeed at scum hunting yet, it is after all turn one, but we should start looking for any fishy behaviours. I'm looking but not finding anything yet, everyone seems to be pretty normally playing out day one. I'm curious about how fast Intact jumped on Myles but that doesn't mean either of them are scum, just people who I will keep an eye on. Intact: I think you are right to get the ball rolling but I think it should be in a more general sense right now, if you are town you should cast a wide net and not tunnel so quickly. Though you may be right of course, so don't lose sight of the people you get red vibes from. On June 29 2012 08:47 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 08:38 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 08:28 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote:On June 29 2012 08:12 Intact wrote:
I know it's a bit early to try and make a read, however my short list of possible scum is topped by Myles atm. Primarily because it seems like he wants to promote inactivity. It's a loose read but someone had to get this started. I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people. I think Myles is right here, we need to think this through. I'm certainly not opposed to a lurker lynch but if we are going to start targeting a single player it should be for a good reason. Intact, if you think Myles is scummy you should keep a close eye on him and see how he acts see what he does and build a case. We as townies need to work together though we have the deductive power of nine smart (I hope) people on our side, we should try to use that power. I have 3 pages of notes already. And I wrote all of those notes in red ink. Only people who are guilty have note pages written about them in red ink. He must be scum! Oh, well in that case lets lynch him! + Show Spoiler +What do your notes say (assuming you weren't joking about them) what are your reads? Your thoughts and ideas. I know only a few of us are posting right now but that makes it easier, just assume that there still could be a scum among the posters and start hunting. No one needs to succeed at scum hunting yet, it is after all turn one, but we should start looking for any fishy behaviours. I'm looking but not finding anything yet, everyone seems to be pretty normally playing out day one. I'm curious about how fast Intact jumped on Myles but that doesn't mean either of them are scum, just people who I will keep an eye on. Intact: I think you are right to get the ball rolling but I think it should be in a more general sense right now, if you are town you should cast a wide net and not tunnel so quickly. Though you may be right of course, so don't lose sight of the people you get red vibes from. This one is special, as it contains a very juicy piece of information: Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 12:56 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 12:36 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 12:27 Promethelax wrote:On June 29 2012 12:17 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 12:14 JingleHell wrote:On June 29 2012 12:13 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 12:10 JingleHell wrote:On June 29 2012 12:00 Anacletus wrote:On June 29 2012 11:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Anacletus you're actively refusing to participate. Not even neglecting to do so (which I was also doing by joking around), but literally saying
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Dumb jokes aside, that is garbage and scummy behavior for anyone in this game. You would be better off lurking and pretending you weren't here, and even that could be considered suspicious. Our goal this early should be making whatever little reads we can and start building cases. Unfortunately we cannot do that with joke posts. Are you planning on giving us any reads? Right now, you have at best 1 post so far that I don't consider a complete write-off. Everyone has to start somewhere... I'm not actively refusing to participate. I just don't want to throw around accusations because I think that that will be aggressive and more like scum play. I think I'll wait for a few more people to post before I post any reads. This isn't a court of law, it's more like Jerry Springer. You talk to people, you lead into questions that get the discussion going the right way, and you start looking for things to poke at. Waiting for someone else to make a case and then bandwagoning looks pretty scummy too, so you're not doing yourself any favors. I'd be poking in other directions more, except there's damn few directions to poke right now. Yeah I know, I've played mafia before. It's just that refusing to participate is pretty serious and is mentioned in the rules. He wasn't suggesting that type of refusal, he's talking about not working with us, despite these reads, and pages of notes you claim to have. If you're not helping us look for scum, you're hindering the hunt. If you're not with us, you're against us. From what I generally see in mafia, the town is the most active in posting when the game starts, while the mafia generally don't post and lurk a while. I've been posting a lot and I really think it's too early to start calling out scum.
+ Show Spoiler +I said I had 8 pages of notes, that was obviously a joke, I don't know shit, bro! While the bolded may be true it is never too early to start hunting for scum. Share your reads with us. What do you think about JingleHell? Anyone else? If you don't have any notes why have you been filling the thread with trash about your notes? Just babbling helps scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856¤tpage=8#155If you actually thought that this was true... I think JingleHell is playing aggressively which leads me to believe that he is a townie. I only made the one about any supposed notes, the thread has 10 pages. So no, I am not filling the thread with trash about notes. You also said that you had eight pages of notes and profiles on people. While I didn't think that the length of your notes or strength of your reads were what you said they were I assumed that you wouldn't just play around so much. I don't like those posts or the one where you insinuate that scum doesn't post early. I particularly don't like that you lied about how many of these posts you've made. You have played before, that gives you an edge over most of us. We need to work together to find scum, if you are town give us your reads. More information is better for us. What do you think of JingleHell or anybody else, give us a first impression or a gut feeling at least, you must have some thoughts. These posts suggests Promethlax is town. I would like to draw attention to the bolded and underlined line, as since Anacletus has played before, we can take notes on his role in his previous game and how he posted in that one in contrast to this game. His next notable post is directed at me as to make me look like scum, which I did. Spoilered as to take up less space: + Show Spoiler +On June 30 2012 09:14 Promethelax wrote:Okay, as you can tell I've been gone for a while; sleeping and working. I just read the thread and I apologize if I missed anything. (In case you aren't sure if you belive me I work every Tuesday-Saturday from 11-7 ADT (I'll be working Sunday this week too) and that, along with my commute and my sleeps, takes up the time that I am not posting) You can also check the other game I am in hereand compare timestamps. You will note that while I am around I post in both threads and while I am away from my computer I don't post anything. That being said I think that Fencer is scummier than Anacle-whateverhtefuckhisfullnameis and here is why: Our good friend #710 tried to get a band wagon started on Anacletus with that first vote which he cast long before anyone else, right after ##voteing ole Blindy posts: Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 21:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
we still have 2 lurkers/inactive players, until we can get them to talk and really get some info from them I'd lay off of voting. Which is shortly followed by an ##unvote from Fencer. Fencer tried to get a bandwagon rolling but when it failed he backed right off. He was testing teh waters and found them tepid. As soon as someone else ##voted Anacletus Fencer jumped right back on the bandwagon hoping to get it rolling and look what happened. Now Anacletus is one vote away from being lynched and Fencer is pretending that he is town. Now I do think Anancletus has posted some fishy stuff, in fact I said just that earlier, but I believe that Fencer jumped on the fishiest sounding guy and is trying to make us townies follow him to our own demise. Now if you don;t already believe me, and you should, let's take a long walk down memory lane in the way of his filter: We'll start with this gem. Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:47 Fencer710 wrote:On June 29 2012 18:25 AmericanUmlaut wrote:On June 29 2012 18:22 Fencer710 wrote:
Sorry T_T. I was literally asleep during the day.
For better or for worse, my views are the same as Umlaut's. I can't really add anything. :\ No, no, no. No coming in here and latching on to someone else's opinions. Me-tooing is the easiest way to just scoot by under the radar without attracting any attention. What do you find so compelling about my arguments? What thoughts of your own do you have? Just popping in here and saying "Sorry, I'm here, too" is not different from lurking and doing nothing in any way that matters. shit I'm an idiot. I'm acting like scum.  I also forgot to mention this is my first game.I guess it's my fault for having the same views as you. Do you want me to word it differently as well? I'll do so: - Anacletus is very suspicious, not really doing anything but posting a lot. -Jinglehell is similar, but doesn't feel as suspicious since he actually has some direction although he is a bit all over the place as well. I'll talk more later, I have to reread everything a few more times :\ where Fencer's first post clearly tries to buddy up to a, probably, towny. When he is immediately called out for it he cries NEWB! as if that would make a difference. We're in a newbie game of course you are a newb. Fencer's defense is lackluster at best and scummy at worst. His next post is another classic where he points the finger at two guys who he could build a reasonable case against by simply saying: "For some reason I can't say exactly [pinpoint] why it makes me tick, but it does." He is trying to start a another bandwagon with no evidence, if he was a townie he would use logic and reason to find scum not just 'some reason' now in his next four post (all of which are one-liners) there is one which actually had me laughing out loud this example of what not to say when you are scum: Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 21:15 Fencer710 wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize that the only thing JH was talking about was lynching players. Seriously that is his entire post. What the hell else should we be doing? So, to make a long case short, Fencer is scum. ##vote: Fencer710 It was pointed out that this post was made just as Anacletus had 6 votes to be lynched by Intact, here: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:29 Intact wrote:
I'm going to stand by my read as analectus being scum but I have also become very suspicious of promethelax. People may have been bandwagoning analectus but as soon as he got into lynching territory promethelax show up with a long thread pointing out someone else, thereby making some people switch vote. This causes divisions and tensions among the town which is exactly what the scum want. I lean more towards fencer just playing badly and promethelax trying to save his scum partner analectus. However, his reasoning does not make sense when Promethelax was initially suspicious of Anacletus in the first place. Along with this post which is spoilered as it is very long: + Show Spoiler +On June 30 2012 13:38 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts! I'll take you over Anacletus today. You're posting is extremely unproductive to me. It doesnt seem all that scummy, but its a massive hindrance when you don't provide anything for discussion, just constantly droning about how your new and guides are super cool. ##Vote: Fencer710 You don't think Fencer is scum but you voted him? What the hell? If you are town this is horrible play, vote for someone who you think is scum not someone you think is annoying. Now, I think Fencer is scum so I voted him; what are you doing?Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 11:26 JingleHell wrote:
If you're really having trouble, and not just trying to be consistent to cover up the slips from earlier, I suggest you go read all of the linked guides, (no really, all of them). Then, forget all the advice you just read, because everyone has read it, and you'll just metagame yourself into a tizzy for no reason. Instead, focus on the generalizations, the state of mind, and the thought processes that were discussed.
However, I can easily see this, like I said, as you just trying to be consistent with your earlier behavior to try and get BotD. This is really good advice, we should all follow it. We don't need townies acting like scum just because they are dumb. Come on guys there are 9 of us, we need to start working together, our strength is in numbers. This Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 12:20 Fencer710 wrote:
OK, guys. I have to go to bed. My closing thoughts in case I don't make the deadline tomorrow:
Remember, 7 people have to decide to lynch the same guy in order for there to be a lynch. It's me, Anacletus, or nothing.
You can be meta all you want in your head, but it doesn't change what actually goes on in the thread.
Remember to read and reread all the posts! is why I can't imagine that you are town, I bring a case against you and your reaction is to give really generic advice and go to bed? You may as well just claim scum in the thread. The bolded and underlined portion suggests that he is town and not actually just trying to save Anacletus. Along with this post: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote:
Well this is obnoxious, I think Anaacletus is scummy but I think Fencer is more scummy, however I will be at work when the voting ends and this is my last minute in this thread for this day cycle, since I think a no lynch is really bad for us I am going to switch my vote to Anacletus, I hope that if he flips town you all will look at my Fencer case, he really does look more scummy to me.
I'm putting the hammer on Anacletus because we need a lynch and I won't be here to convince people that we should get Fencer, I would leave my vote on Fencer if I thought I could make the rest of you realize that he is scum but since you seem to want to go for the second reddest person I will do that as well to ensure a lynch.
I hope that if we are wrong and Anacletus is town you will all take a second look at my case on Fencer, if Anacletus is town Fencer is even more likely to be scum.
@Intact: If Anacletus flips scum and you feel the need to go after me I can't stop you, you should go after Fencer but if you don't do that you should go after him on day three after I flip green (all this assuming I live through the next two nights which I probably won't without medic protection).
##Unvote: Fencer710
##Vote: Anacletus
Is there any way to make sure I don't have to do this in the future since I won't be around for the voting deadline? i.e. would it be possible to PM one of you to say my preferences in terms of my vote. That a lynch is better than a no lynch and a lynch on Fenccer is better than a lynch on Anacletus and so on. I want my vote to count but I also have to make it about 12 hours before the deadline which really messes with me, thanks. All of this suggests that he is town, as he was suspicious/believed Anacletus was scum from the start. All in all, Promethelax appears to be 100% innocent, but while digging I found that Intact is very suspicious. He has made 8 posts since the game began, all with very few lines, a paragraph at best. A few gems: Bandwagon without any explanation. Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:48 Intact wrote:
In addition, should we lynch analectus and he turns put to be mafia, it would make it fairly easy to point out the other mafia. And if he turns out to be townie it would be very easy to confirm some townies. This makes me extremely suspicious that Anacletus is not mafia, as regardless if he is mafia or town, it wouldn't make it nearly as easy as he suggests, and it supports the notion of lynching him without actually saying anything. This isn't enough to change my vote yet, but FoS on Intact. Also, link to the mafia game Anacletus played in before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707
12) Hopeless1der: Yes. (same as JingleHell) (second day only)
'Yes' means that they gave an analysis of a specific person. 'No' is the opposite.
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EBWOP: I forgot to add, 'Yes, poor' means they gave analysis, but it was very general and didn't look into anything specific or give examples.
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