Won't bullshit like last game, I promise. No weird experements, just normal playing without coin-tossing when pissed ❤
Have to make up for my last game after all.
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Won't bullshit like last game, I promise. No weird experements, just normal playing without coin-tossing when pissed ❤ Have to make up for my last game after all. | ||
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As long as Palmar isn't dick enough to make me compulsive vig no need to fear at all! Also there's an unwritten law that you can't lynch/policylynch people from europe in a game with euro-deadlines d1. That would be an even more dick-move than hosts giving me a gun. | ||
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Move on, don't give mafia opertunity to talk about this "lolol so stupid" making it look like they do shit. Just pretend it never happend, thx | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:18 Blazinghand wrote: I don't like this sort of policy lynch. I don't like policy lynches in general-- they are/should be a last resort. it's 20 mins in the game. It's not a policy lynch it's pressure, that's it. If they really want to see him lynched it's time to tell people that that kind of thing is not helpful but they're not right now. | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:24 Blazinghand wrote: How not to pressure: say you're pressuring it's a vote after a couple of minutes... do you really think he'll take that for real? He'll get the message nevertheless, we want him to talk this game or we WILL lynch him the moment we run out of other viable lynch targets. If he is not changing his attitude lynching him is still okay after all. | ||
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Policy lynching because of a single bad game is complete and utter bullshit. If we start doing that we're not done policy-lynching for the next couple weeks. Heck, I shot 3 townies, want to policy lynch me as well because of that and ignore the other 6 games I did? If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia. | ||
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On February 21 2012 08:21 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote: the big issue here (imo) is, that this policy lynch is based on a single game. At least arkham city was the first time I saw tyrann I think, don't know about you. Policy lynching because of a single bad game is complete and utter bullshit. If we start doing that we're not done policy-lynching for the next couple weeks. Heck, I shot 3 townies, want to policy lynch me as well because of that and ignore the other 6 games I did? If this guy shows up and changes his attitude he is fine imo. If he 's not he's getting lynched if there's noone else screaming mafia. Why the big defense on Tyrran? It's the start of the game, he's got only 3 votes on him and no one has actually said anything about WHY they want to lynch him. No one said they want to lynch him based on his arkham city performance. Where did you get that idea from? The policy lynch discussion is based around redFF and how he's spamming, not tyrran. I'm not even defending him. If you look up what I said before that you'll see that I even mentioned that it's not people who are lynching him, it's pressure to make him change his attitude and not a real lynch, unless of course he's not changing a thing. I'm barly stating that I don't like policy lynches based off a single game and yeah that's what I thought when I read the first couple of posts. So if you got another reason to policy lynch feel free to link me something because I only remember arkham city. And again, this is not a defence on anyone. The only reason we're talking about Tyrann is because redFF voted him. I'd do the same thing if people wanted to policy lynch someone else, that's why is said "policy lynches based on a single game" are complete and utter bullshit and never said policy lynching tyrann is stupid, although the 2nd one obviously concludes out of my first statement. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:04 chaoser wrote: Toad, what do you think about Jackal saying you're scum. And what do you think about the recent developments regarding RedFF? Does he still deserve a lynch, especially if we can't find anyone else to lynch by the end of the day? Catching up, that's where I am. Well he's drunk and I'm pretty sure he wants to get better reads on me by calling me scum like that. He has to know that calling me scum 3 times (I think?) in a row without a single reason, without a vote is not a good talent toi have. He got in this thread saying something and added "btw I think Toad is scum" / "btw Toad is mafia" without anything else. Clearly it got to be some fishing game. But whatever, I'm willing to play along, I just don't know what to make of it. The rnd "I just had a look at toads filter and agree with jackal" (I think that was redFF?) gives me more of a bad feeling but than again, we got enough smashtalk here and I don't think I should start that topic again. (implying it stopped somewhere the next fews pages, I DO NOT KNOW!) Oh and btw I agree with wbg on the matter that I can't read redFF properly. There's also a bunch of other players I don't think I'm capable to read that good. I played 2 games with BC, both times he was town and I thought game#1 he was town and game#2 he ended up being mafia so I got something wrong there. If you're reading this bc I'd LOVE to see a game you did as mafia that is at least fairly normal. Same about syllo. I don't think I ever played a game with him except for that one game, I was mafia, he was town and we shot him n1. So not much to read, although I've got the feeling his town and mafia play is actually quite alike from his irc games. | ||
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On February 21 2012 12:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 12:32 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 12:04 chaoser wrote: If you notice though, that specific quote from Ace was towards the players of that game ASKING others for their LIST of town (and scum) reads in a no flip game. It was basically a game that was easy to manipulate and a situation where EVERYONE was giving out reads like woah. That is different from this case because it is only me giving my read. So if mafia wants, they can try to manipulate me and that's about it. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends. I don't really see a problem because I don't plan to criss cross my reads with my votes (why would a townie need to do this) without explaining my change in reads first. The second point, again, doesn't matter since it's only my read and so mafia really can't tell who has "Strong" support or not. Either way, there are ways for mafia to gauge "support" aside from seeing people's town reads. Just by looking at voting threads, one can usually deduce who is being supported and who isn't. So that quote doesn't apply to this situation at all. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck as much as I love to call him terrible, if he actually is town no one is going to defend him anyway and so you have no idea whether or not we're actually doing a good thing here. Imagine VE being scum and you just called him town. You give him credence and reliability if he's scum. If he actually is town we don't actually gain anything except an opinion of yours, that, if you are town, can be manipulated. Certainly it's manipulable regardless of VE's real alignment. If I'm not being clear enough: If I were scum, I'd love for people to do what town-Ace hates. I'm not cocky enough to think that people will take my townie read at face value and will be highly regarded. As you can see, many people in the game don't care much for my thoughts at the moment anyway. RedFF is being voted on cause he's been scummy/playing shitty, not because I'm giving credulousness to VE. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck At this point, it's only a few hours into day one and there's only like 4 votes on him, hardly what I'd call someone being "bandwagoned to fuck", especially with people saying they want to move off his lynch. I doubt we're going to sit on him and just waste the day. Do you? I still don't think you've made a good case for why my giving a town read on VE was a bad move. Let's say we agree to disagree and move on. Toad, what do you think about Jackal saying you're scum. And what do you think about the recent developments regarding RedFF? Does he still deserve a lynch, especially if we can't find anyone else to lynch by the end of the day? I care about your opinion, same as I care about the opinion of the majority of the players in this game. [...] Finally, you probably know this, but as it's early morning in Europe I doubt Toad will be posting any time soon. I do not know if that is supposed to be irony or mafia-Bugs brownnosing :p With all seriousness I find that post weird. Bugs just isn't the helpful kind of guy as a townie and this looks like a helpful kind of guy. If someone like myself would make that post that'd be fine, same with pretty much everyone else in here, especially the newer ones but bugs? You're the hyperagressive guy aren't you? I don't mind you telling people it was late in europe at that time (I went to bed at 2am, so it had to be later than that) but isn't bugs usually the guy who might see this kind of thing but won't say a thing because he wants the other guy to defend himself nevertheless the get some reads? Remember L? He knew I was Town all along or at least for the last couple of days according to what he said. Yet he kept pushing me like a mad man, for fun and although he never said that he probably that to get some reads out of people like myself or people who are attacking me / defending me. So I've got to say the few lines out of that big post I quoted make we feel like it's not bugs usual agressive style. You all saw what he was like when talking to redFF although that's over the top because it's redFF and I think those two don't like each other. It's a minor thing but again, it really made me think for a moment. still reading :p | ||
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On February 21 2012 21:47 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 12:43 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 12:32 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 12:04 chaoser wrote: If you notice though, that specific quote from Ace was towards the players of that game ASKING others for their LIST of town (and scum) reads in a no flip game. It was basically a game that was easy to manipulate and a situation where EVERYONE was giving out reads like woah. That is different from this case because it is only me giving my read. So if mafia wants, they can try to manipulate me and that's about it. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends. I don't really see a problem because I don't plan to criss cross my reads with my votes (why would a townie need to do this) without explaining my change in reads first. The second point, again, doesn't matter since it's only my read and so mafia really can't tell who has "Strong" support or not. Either way, there are ways for mafia to gauge "support" aside from seeing people's town reads. Just by looking at voting threads, one can usually deduce who is being supported and who isn't. So that quote doesn't apply to this situation at all. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck as much as I love to call him terrible, if he actually is town no one is going to defend him anyway and so you have no idea whether or not we're actually doing a good thing here. Imagine VE being scum and you just called him town. You give him credence and reliability if he's scum. If he actually is town we don't actually gain anything except an opinion of yours, that, if you are town, can be manipulated. Certainly it's manipulable regardless of VE's real alignment. If I'm not being clear enough: If I were scum, I'd love for people to do what town-Ace hates. I'm not cocky enough to think that people will take my townie read at face value and will be highly regarded. As you can see, many people in the game don't care much for my thoughts at the moment anyway. RedFF is being voted on cause he's been scummy/playing shitty, not because I'm giving credulousness to VE. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck At this point, it's only a few hours into day one and there's only like 4 votes on him, hardly what I'd call someone being "bandwagoned to fuck", especially with people saying they want to move off his lynch. I doubt we're going to sit on him and just waste the day. Do you? I still don't think you've made a good case for why my giving a town read on VE was a bad move. Let's say we agree to disagree and move on. Toad, what do you think about Jackal saying you're scum. And what do you think about the recent developments regarding RedFF? Does he still deserve a lynch, especially if we can't find anyone else to lynch by the end of the day? I care about your opinion, same as I care about the opinion of the majority of the players in this game. [...] Finally, you probably know this, but as it's early morning in Europe I doubt Toad will be posting any time soon. I do not know if that is supposed to be irony or mafia-Bugs brownnosing :p With all seriousness I find that post weird. Bugs just isn't the helpful kind of guy as a townie and this looks like a helpful kind of guy. If someone like myself would make that post that'd be fine, same with pretty much everyone else in here, especially the newer ones but bugs? You're the hyperaggressive guy aren't you? I don't mind you telling people it was late in europe at that time (I went to bed at 2am, so it had to be later than that) but isn't bugs usually the guy who might see this kind of thing but won't say a thing because he wants the other guy to defend himself nevertheless to get some proper reads? Remember L? He knew I was Town all along or at least for the last couple of days according to what he said. Yet he kept pushing me like a mad man, for fun and although he never said that, he probably did that to get some reads on people like myself or people who are attacking me / defending me. So I've got to say the few lines out of that big post I quoted make we feel like it's not bugs usual aggressive style. You all saw what he was like when talking to redFF although that's over the top because it's redFF and I think those two don't like each other. It's a minor thing but again, it really made me think for a moment. still reading :p oh gawd. So much mistakes, EBWOP above in my quote and a better example of what I was talking about below: On February 21 2012 09:59 wherebugsgo wrote: VE stfu you suck Everyone else sucks marginally less ATM. Mostly chaoser is doing the least sucking. Blazinghand learn to play I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl. Till then I suggest you all brush up on Ver's guide since the last page has made my eyes bleed. That's what I'm talking about. That's the bugs that screams town to me. What I quoted above, the one in which he said I'm probably asleep and he values peoples opinion just isn't anything like that. | ||
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On February 22 2012 01:10 redFF wrote: verbosity, managing to write two long posts without any scumhunting. Now since then he's got worse, one thing he said especially leaps out at me Show nested quote + I read this as "here's my excuse for why I won't be giving many reads this game"Oh and btw I agree with wbg on the matter that I can't read redFF properly. There's also a bunch of other players I don't think I'm capable to read that good. It's one of the scummies things said so far and something I'm fine with wagoning. Ooooor it's a player who sucked last game and shot 3 townies in a row as a town-vig himself and therefore changed his point of view on a couple of things, trying to start things a little slower than last game. But yeah, I also read that part you quoted before clicking "Post" and wondered if I should just delete it because people might misunderstand it. Ended up posting it nevertheless because I thought an honest opinion on that part is not going to hurt someone. It's not an excuse for not posting reads. If you want to interpret it that way please take it the way I posted it. I'm not going to post reads about those 2 the first couple of days. Yeah I know, I never mentioned "the first couple of days" but I figured it's obvious. Quick question: Do you think I am capable to figure BC or syllo out the first 1 or 2 days? Might as well ask if you think that other guys who are quite new themselves are capable of figureing them out in your opinion. | ||
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On February 22 2012 01:35 syllogism wrote: Actually you should be able to figure me out (see my Responsibility and Personality mafia filters) and it certainly would help if you gave your opinion. The things I posted about BC are straight forward and suggest a mindset that isn't focused on figuring things out. It's obviously not conclusive, but right now he seems like the best lynch. I haven't read those games but thanks I'll take a look at those. That's the reason I posted what redFF quoted. If you got a nice example game of BC being mafia that'd be nice as well I only saw him play in L and that 80-ish player thing were he obviously had to change his style a little bit to get to the new guys as well. Well I've got my thoughts about you two but I don't know what to make of them yet so I thought waiting a little longer to post something that actually might be useful is better than just posting a oneliner every now and then saying "well that looks odd". But yeah I kind of agree with you, I had the feeling he's dodging a little bit when VE asked him earlier on. VE was clearly overdoing it early on and I don't think mafia-BC would have troubles thinking of something to say so although I agree with you that it looks weird I don't think it's scummy yet. My thought was that he doesn't want to encourage people tunneling so early on. And as mentioned I'm not feeling comfortable judging you two yet so I'd rather not lynch one of you two guys. I'd also rather not lynch into vets d1 but considering how stacked this game is it's probably a dangerous thing to say that for someone like me :p | ||
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On February 22 2012 02:00 Jitsu wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 01:49 Toadesstern wrote: On February 22 2012 01:35 syllogism wrote: Actually you should be able to figure me out (see my Responsibility and Personality mafia filters) and it certainly would help if you gave your opinion. The things I posted about BC are straight forward and suggest a mindset that isn't focused on figuring things out. It's obviously not conclusive, but right now he seems like the best lynch. I haven't read those games but thanks I'll take a look at those. That's the reason I posted what redFF quoted. If you got a nice example game of BC being mafia that'd be nice as well I only saw him play in L and that 80-ish player thing were he obviously had to change his style a little bit to get to the new guys as well. Well I've got my thoughts about you two but I don't know what to make of them yet so I thought waiting a little longer to post something that actually might be useful is better than just posting a oneliner every now and then saying "well that looks odd". But yeah I kind of agree with you, I had the feeling he's dodging a little bit when VE asked him earlier on. VE was clearly overdoing it early on and I don't think mafia-BC would have troubles thinking of something to say so although I agree with you that it looks weird I don't think it's scummy yet. My thought was that he doesn't want to encourage people tunneling so early on. And as mentioned I'm not feeling comfortable judging you two yet so I'd rather not lynch one of you two guys. I'd also rather not lynch into vets d1 but considering how stacked this game is it's probably a dangerous thing to say that for someone like me :p So you have you're thoughts on them, but you aren't comfortable judging them? What happened to the Arkham Toad, where you we're going accusation crazy, IIRC. That happened to Arkham Toad: Ooooor it's a player who sucked last game and shot 3 townies in a row as a town-vig himself and therefore changed his point of view on a couple of things, trying to start things a little slower than last game. | ||
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On February 22 2012 01:22 redFF wrote: Give some reads tyyran. second this one. I'm having troubles figuring you out Tyrran. Same about Dirkzor and risk.nuke | ||
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On February 22 2012 02:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't see why your bad vig play would affect the way you act in the thread. You need to slow down at night maybe, but why take a passive approach to the day based in-thread play? to see how this game is going before telling everyone "yo guises np, I goz this" | ||
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I really have troubles with some of his posts and here's what basicly happened and why I've got a bunch of problems with him:
I know, it's all minor things but it adds up. The reason I'm asking about this is because I'd like to hear other people thoughts. I'd say he's the most scummy for me right now. | ||
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On February 22 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 03:39 redFF wrote: Given everything that has happened today, myself Dirkzor and Tyrran are all very safe options. What do you think about kita, toad, and chaoser ve? chaoser I'm torn on - he almost made my lynch list. However, I came to the conclusion that either one of he and WBG are scum or they're both town based on the argument they had late yesterday. Kitaman is like...I don't know. Not a good lynch for today. I'm waiting to see a bit more of his play before deciding on Kitaman. I could feasibly be convinced to lynch Toad. I'd have to see some arguments as to why he's a better lynch than, for instance, you. one argument could be that I don't want to lynch any of the people on your list just yet. Yes you pointed out 3 people who are weird to some extent but that's it. Same about Jackal. I'm not really convinced that what he did has to be mafiaagende or whatever you want to call it. After all it was pretty obvious. | ||
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On February 22 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 04:04 Toadesstern wrote: are you willing to explain and tell me why you want, or at least why you would be okay to lynch me VE? You've been a nonentity this game. In previous games I've played with you, you've had clearly defined scum reads and I'm not seeing that kind of play here. DocH is right - even if you're apprehensive about your reads (based on your performance in [redacted]), it shouldn't be affecting your day-play. You should still be scumhunting/pointing out inconsistencies/establishing yourself as town. I'm not seeing it this game. I did a big post about wbg and just a few minutes ago abou chaoser, didn't I ? | ||
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I'm not sure yet we really should lynch him simply because I doubt that mafia would be so vocal so early on. He was basicly BEGGING to get heat for that policy lynch. But then again I do the same as mafia and like to take heat because I think I can take it. All I've read from redFF so far indicates that he thinks very highly about himself so it's a possibility although it's totally wifom (in both directions). I think chaosers answeres to my case were decent and he's no longer my scumread #1 because of that. I am not going to lynch BC based on that because I got a different conclusion and I don't want to lynch into vets on d1. D1 is the hardest lynch because we have so little information and yet you want to straight away lynch BC? So it's really only redFF I'm left with right now or a rnd-lurker, but most people here are actually talking. Will be back in something like 3 hours I hope. Depending on my train and the shity internet my parents got... And I'll read this all on train. | ||
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On February 23 2012 00:59 syllogism wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 22:22 Toadesstern wrote: ok I'm back here for half an hour. Still reading everything and I'm going to vote redFF for now. I'm not sure yet we really should lynch him simply because I doubt that mafia would be so vocal so early on. He was basicly BEGGING to get heat for that policy lynch. But then again I do the same as mafia and like to take heat because I think I can take it. All I've read from redFF so far indicates that he thinks very highly about himself so it's a possibility although it's totally wifom (in both directions). I think chaosers answeres to my case were decent and he's no longer my scumread #1 because of that. I am not going to lynch BC based on that because I got a different conclusion and I don't want to lynch into vets on d1. D1 is the hardest lynch because we have so little information and yet you want to straight away lynch BC? So it's really only redFF I'm left with right now or a rnd-lurker, but most people here are actually talking. Will be back in something like 3 hours I hope. Depending on my train and the shity internet my parents got... And I'll read this all on train. I'm not liking you so far in this game. This post doesn't read like what I would expect from you and I'm not sure how exactly you determine whether someone is a "vet" or not and as such "untouchable" on d1. Why were you fine with lynching Chaoser but not fine with lynching BC? You seem unsure about redff but still want to lynch him over everyone else. Is this correct? What do you think about his tracker claim and what I've said about it? back and got Internet \o/ Yeah I realize that A LOT of people are vets in this game. That's why I said earlier that saying that probably is stupid because there's so few people in here who are not at least decent. I was fine with lynching Chaoser because I thought it's odd. I thought the same way in my last game about him, told people about it, Chaoser got in the thread and explained everything which made him look pretty townie to me that game. Imo the same is happening this time. I had some issues with him that made him my #1 read but his answeres and effort were decent enough to settle for someone else. I am not fine with lynching BC because I already explained that I saw the very same things you saw about him but got to another conclusion and so far it's nothing that makes we mant to lynch him. Additionaly he's one of the guys I'd like to not lynch d1 but that's my opinion. I wouldn't be willing to lynch you either. Yes I am unsure about red and for me he's something like a backup lynch. I don't think that the situation about redFF is going to be better very soon because as already mentioend the claim is a hard thing to judge. I do agree that 1 tracker on both sides sounds reasonable but I also agree that 2 on town side would be a reasonable as well. No to begin with the fact that maybe red is a mafia tracker after all, we got a towntracker (e.g. your "theory" is right) and that guy is simply not willing to claim yet because he wants to think this thing trough. So far I'm trying to ignore the tracker-claim. I do not thing any result he could deliver would help him and therefore I do not think it should be an issue for his alignment at all because it could be both. About the situation not going to get better: Mafia tracker is totally possible as well and no matter what red is going to tell us it's not going to improve his situation so we will have to lynch him eventually. That's why he's some kind of backup lynch for me. I don't really feel that strong about his scummyness because I still doubt he'd do that as mafia (which is wifom) but I don't think it would be a bad lynch either. The whole argument about this wagon forming so fast is obviously bullshit. Yes I agree that mafia probably wouldn't bus one of their buddies so early. 14 vs 4 sounds somewhat to townfavored for me so I'd say we got thirdparties or something like that. Let's just assume 12 vs 4 for the sake of numbers. I just don't believe they'd be willing to make it 12 v 3 so easily. Still we got a bunch of people defending him and I am softdefending him as well. It's not like he's a confirmed town and what he did was weird to say the least. So I can see how people want to lynch him and the real problem is that this lynch is so incredible easy for mafia to sheep if he really flips town, not the fact that it's fast. So what I said above is about the situation we got right now and about redFF. Now to my thoughts about possible lynches. I'd say the 3 best candidates for a lynch right now are either VE, BH or red. I already explained the part on red in detail and yeah, he's my "backup"-lynch. BH is a fast one too because I agree with what Dirkzor said. VE is a meta one because I got the feeling it's mafia-VE trying to make us think we're dealing with stupid-VE. Pretty much the same as in arkham. VE's better than what he's doing right now. He clearly was overdoing it early on and while I do agree that he wants to improve and this might look like VE actually trying to help, I think he was very well aware of the fact the he was pulling a p4n on us. He's also more spammy and trollish (idk how to say that, like the posts he did to answer Jackal) than he should be. Town VE really tries hard to help nowadays. He does that by posting his reads and argueing about his reads in a "normal" fashion imo. I don't really see that "normal" fashion here and think it's him trying to make it look like his usual meta. Oh and when I said "VE really tries hard to help" I was referring to the fact that he tries hard not to fall back into his old habits and I see that happening this game without a reason. In L I saw that later on as well but he was pissed like I was because noone was listening to him and I understood that, however I don't really see a reason for that in this game. So yeah. Those 3 are the ones I'd be willing to lynch today as of now. I'm still reading a bit and I'm here. So if you want to talk to me go ahead :p | ||
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On February 23 2012 02:12 syllogism wrote: No, stop saying we have to lynch someone at some point, that is not true unless he is scum. It is also not true that "no matter what" red is going to tell us it not going to improve the situation as he could for instance give us a "red" result, even if that is unlikely as scum most likely have a roleblocker. Why are you so against lynching BC? Did his reads in L impress you or where did you get the idea? Have his contributions impressed here so far? no his contribution has not impressed me at all this game. I also thought he was mafia in L because he did very little early on or at least did the wrong things (imo) because he was talking about this mason thing way to much d1 and completly ignored scumhunting d1 back then. I liked what he did in GMs 80-player game although it was a little wishy-washy to get to the new guys as well. He's one of the few guys that mafia want dead early on really badly if he really is town because they know he's good. If we're wrong on him we're giving mafia a couple of free KP they can use somewhere else because they probably would doublestack him to get rid of him instead of "just" mislynching. Same about you. I'd say it's to risky to lynch into people like that d1 for those reasons. | ||
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As mentioned, redFF is more of a backuplynch for me and I'd like to see if we can make this happen. I just don't think redFF is the best lynch but it would be at least a low risk lynch in comparison to lynching someone like BC. Will be here around the deadline. | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:19 prplhz wrote: I am not lying, it takes more time than 15 mins for me to read up on a page and make notes. You should think this over syllogism because you're dead wrong and I think you have been right in just about everything else so far. I am trying my best this game, I am being active when you need me to be and I'm not being disruptive at all. There are way better targets around for a last-minute-switch. Names would be nice. Who are those people who are supposed to be way better targets? Why are you mentioning that but I have to ask you about this? Why are you not just trying to help right now and tell us what you think in the first place? | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:29 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote: On February 23 2012 03:19 prplhz wrote: I am not lying, it takes more time than 15 mins for me to read up on a page and make notes. You should think this over syllogism because you're dead wrong and I think you have been right in just about everything else so far. I am trying my best this game, I am being active when you need me to be and I'm not being disruptive at all. There are way better targets around for a last-minute-switch. Names would be nice. Who are those people who are supposed to be way better targets? Why are you mentioning that but I have to ask you about this? Why are you not just trying to help right now and tell us what you think in the first place? Because I didn't want to post as long as I wasn't in danger of getting lynched and as long as I wasn't fully up date with my notes and with reading filters. You didn't want to post unless you're in danger of getting lynched and as you weren't fully up to date with your notes? That sounds awfully scummy. Why should a townie not be willing to post until he's up for a lynch? | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 03:33 syllogism wrote: On February 23 2012 03:29 prplhz wrote: On February 23 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote: On February 23 2012 03:19 prplhz wrote: I am not lying, it takes more time than 15 mins for me to read up on a page and make notes. You should think this over syllogism because you're dead wrong and I think you have been right in just about everything else so far. I am trying my best this game, I am being active when you need me to be and I'm not being disruptive at all. There are way better targets around for a last-minute-switch. Names would be nice. Who are those people who are supposed to be way better targets? Why are you mentioning that but I have to ask you about this? Why are you not just trying to help right now and tell us what you think in the first place? Because I didn't want to post as long as I wasn't in danger of getting lynched and as long as I wasn't fully up date with my notes and with reading filters. That sounds almost too bad to be scum. You say you are trying your best, try to be active when "i need you (????)" and you've been making tons of notes. Yet despite all this, you have made no effort at all to stop a lynch of someone you consider town from happening. You never really even said who you would like to be lynched instead. What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. Right now I am trying to stop the lynch of me and pushing the Blazinghand lynch. It may not be the best around but it's a ton better than me. You are trying to pull arguments out of the thin air with the "dissatisfied getting lynched day1" argument and the timing-argument. I agree with the other things you've said, I haven't been performing as I ideally wanted to be and as people would probably expect me to be. It's again the same thing. I don't want you to do a huge ass case within 5 minutes. I got that you're still reading but it feels like you're dodging the question. Who are those people. Just give us a couple of names, maybe a little sentence why and when you're done with that you may do another post later on and explain your thoughts. I just really want to hear something right now and so far you only say "there's way better options" and you keep saying that all the time without actually mentioning who that might be. You said BH is okayish but not the best lynch. Who would be the best lynch? | ||
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On February 23 2012 03:58 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). Sometimes I just fake it but I'm not doing that in this game because that wouldn't help on this crowd anyway. Ah yes waffle more not helping dude | ||
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I am considering voting him and screwing my "don't lynch vets"-rule I proposed. But I'd like to look at a game he played as mafia really quick first. I looked through his filter in his game and thought that his style is NOTHING like what he did in L and GM's big game on top of what syllo pointed out about his posts although I already said that it could very well be a wrong conclusion on syllos part. Not to mention that his abstinence is kind of worrying as well. | ||
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What do you guys think about BCs style this game? Usually he's trying to look calm and talks to people no matter if they are vets or some new guys explaining his thoughts and what he's doing in a reasonable and polite/nice fashion. You might not agree with what he does when he's town like I did not agree with the mason topic being a good topic in L d1 but he's doing whatever he does for a reason. This game however he does very little and what he does seems troublesome. His last post: On February 22 2012 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why did I subject myself to read this fucking nonsense. Do I have to say this? Role does not equal alignment. Redff claiming his role in hopes to confirm his alignment is horseshit. In an unknown setup and him claiming that there may be multi target abilities the chances of mafia having a role to find said abilities is just as within reason as the town. He then states that if he is roleblocked to lynch him, but says its not optimal to lynch claimed blues? Contradiction and sounds like hes just finding any reason to stay alive. This level of play is so insanely bad that it makes me sad. He knows all this and yet still does the play to create a total shit fest of a thread and does not in anyway create a pro town environment. As for syllo. Get off my nuts. 5 hours is never enough information to actually commit to a read especially given my horrible ability to differentiate between bad play and bad scum. Find other straw men to go burn. ##vote redff This game he's just not helpful at all. Looks like he's pissed a lot and while I do agree that you should not commit to a read after 5hours of a game I don't see a problem with posting them nevertheless. They're bound to change, noone is expecting someone to find 4/4 mafia after 5 hours yet it feels like he refuses to talk about his reads. The only issue I have with that is that I still think mafia-BC would not have a problem talking about reads when asked and does not need to dodge like that, therefore I thought that his explanation is maybe a little bit over the top but genuine nevertheless. His first couple of posts are literally uselss. He agrees with Jackal that the shit that was going on between redFF and wbg is something that has to stop and yet goes on to talk to redFF like that as well. He has to know what kind of guy redFF is and what kind of reaction he'll probably get from redFF, still he keeps talking about this in a fashion that is just nothing like his helpful style I saw in L and GMs game. and yeah that's basicly everything he did this game and he ended up picking the easiest lynch there is. I still think the issues we got about redFF need to be discussed but there are obviously some things that are worrying and that's the reason I am calling redFF my backup-lynch rather than a normal lynch option. If BC would be anyone else I'd instavote him right now. I am just honestly scared to be wrong because if I'm wrong on someone like redFF that's not as much of a deal. If I am wrong on BC we're in trouble not only because we lost BC but also because Mafia is very likely to doublestack people like that if they are town to get rid of them. Mislynching BC kind of gives mafia a couple of free KP on top of just mislynching imo. That's the big issue I have and again, if this would be anyone else I'd be all over him. That's why I want to hear more opinions about him. | ||
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Yeah totally voting BC right now, I had the balls to vote BC for mayor in GM's game although everyone said it's way too dangerous to vote and I'm having the balls to lynch him today. With this stacked of a set-up my "don't lynch vets d1"-rule really isn't an option. In 20-something games with 4 to 6 vets I still think it's good to not lynch into that but there's no possibility to think about that in this game. | ||
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On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: syllogism, you said you'd look at other people, was I the only one you would consider? I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? you said you'd be up to lynch BC and said he's really scummy yourself if I recall correctly. With your vote BC'd be on 4 votes. RedFF is only on 7 | ||
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But yeah a lot of people are not here for whatever reason. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:14 layabout wrote: Whilst i would like to call VE dumb with have bigger things to deal with. Voting for BC right now is not only dumb due to how people have been behaving but it a terrible move. This was first pointed out to me in Purgatory. If there are two wagons the first wagon is significantly more likely to hit a scum because no counterwagon against a scum player would gain mafia support and the wagon would likely fail. So any successful counterwagon is much more likely to hit town than it is to hit scum because the wagon should only gain support from mafia if it is a townie.Barring a DT check, that is the only time that a counterwagon could be correct. do you think BC is town given what he posted so far? | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on BC is All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote: Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling? | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:23 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote: On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on BC is All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote: Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling? goddamn it's like anything I do everyone's like "oh hey BH isn't acting normal" well you can go eat a dick well yeah you posted a list (my first quote) which really looked like "really? That's all you got and and the reason you want to lynch BC?" went on to "whatevs, voting time" and next thing "gogo vote BC". You've got to agree that that looks weird don't you? | ||
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Therefore I don't want BC to die right now. | ||
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On February 23 2012 06:47 Jitsu wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 05:15 Toadesstern wrote: oh crap it's actually only 1:50hours until deadline oO Yeah totally voting BC right now, I had the balls to vote BC for mayor in GM's game although everyone said it's way too dangerous to vote and I'm having the balls to lynch him today. With this stacked of a set-up my "don't lynch vets d1"-rule really isn't an option. In 20-something games with 4 to 6 vets I still think it's good to not lynch into that but there's no possibility to think about that in this game. Did this catch anyone else's eye, or am I seeing shit. When was it implied that the set-up was stacked? I know Palmar said the Set-Up was "hard,"...but "stacked" is another thing all together. Stacked would imply you have a knowledge as to the ratio of faction to another faction. Viscera, how sure are you on BC? stacked in like "we got more vets than people who are not vets" | ||
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Thoughts about what I said here: On February 23 2012 06:22 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 06:06 Blazinghand wrote: So the case on BC is All he's basically done is argue with jackal He's mad for no reason he jumped on the redFF wagon he hasn't been helpful He's BC, and these things together are uncharismatic of both town play but also BC play in general, town or scum. However we'd be lynching the crap out of him if he were anyone else Layabout doesn't want to get shot and this is more convincing than the case against redFF> Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 06:11 Blazinghand wrote: Alright lets roll this wagon across the finish line. I'll vote him I anticipate this will earn me lots of town credit and you guys will be like "wow blazinghand what a fortuitous voteswitch, that makes you a good person" and send me chocolates and stuff but you don't have my address so I won't get any which is really actually good since I'm trying to lose weight Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: dude layabout we kind of need another vote and there's like 40 minutes left, get over here Ok those 3 posts worry me A LOT right now. Anyone got the same feeling? | ||
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I basicly interpret his first post as "well guys, I read the cases on BC and THAT'S all you got? Seriously? And you're considering voting BC because of just that?" and goes on to say what he said in his 2nd and 3rd post. That's just so wtf. | ||
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On February 23 2012 15:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Also, are you sure it was a power and not some mechanic? Palmar said it's a normal game and only the roles themselves are somewhat weird not the set-up itself. So I'd say it's not a mechanic. I'd say we're good to assume it was some weird role. | ||
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This is a closed normal setup. There are however variations of roles that can be considered non-normal. Thus you should treat this game as something of a borderline themed/normal. The distinction is somewhat hard to make, so just keep it in mind as you enter the game. It has no explicit themes. It’s only the roles that make the game somewhat unusual. There may be more than 2 factions in the game. That's what our OP says. Looks to me like the only possibility is a weird role. I don't know how you think about this but I consider a no-flip-mechanic as something unusual. This shouldn't even be a topic. I don't know what's happening but I'd say it's something that has to do some some 3rd party or mafia role and there's no way it is some weird mechanic like VE or kita said because again, according to what I quoted that would be mentioned in the OP. For all I care I don't even care right now. RedFF was ragequitting, maybe he knew what was going to happen because he's third party and he somehow did this, maybe he had no idea what was going on. I don't know and speculating about such a thing is not going to help us. | ||
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On February 24 2012 06:32 Jitsu wrote: + Show Spoiler + I agree with what DocH has to say about Dirkzor, for obvious reasons. Especially the part where he makes a huge post based on the perception that Chaoser is lying, and then doesn't even vote him. If he thought he was actually scum, I feel he would have voted for him. But to build a case on someone and then not even be willing to get him lynched, let alone feel pressure? Come on, bro. That lack of flip is making me WIFOM everything. Literally. I think that the no-flip was triggered by a role. I can't think of any other motivations for the mafia to block the flip like that. There is always the possibility that it's a mechanic, but, as stated earlier, I don't think it's possible. Risk.nuke, where ya at, brah. You still think I should be lynched? You said it mid-day through Day1, and BH tacked onto the attack with you, and since then, you just dipped off the radar. At the time, you obviously thought that I was mafia, else you wouldn't push for my lynch, right? Along the way, where did you disregard you're gut feeling on me? How should mafia know if he really is a blue tracker or not? Unless redFF is mafia himself mafia won't know his role and therefore the first statement is probably not a possibility or at least not the reason they did it. I really still think it's either a 3rd party power or something like a role who dies when lynched but flips a day later. I can't recall what that role was called right now. Yeah mafia somehow hiding the flips is possibly but pretty unlikely, why should they do that if it's a 1-shot power? So either a townie who flips the next day or a some weird 3rd party shit. I doubt they bussed redFF. | ||
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On February 24 2012 06:44 syllogism wrote: A third party power that hides flips makes no sense at all. What possible function would that serve? I have no idea. I really don't know what kind of thirdparty roles excist and all I know about them is what I know from irc-Mafia and that Batman and Catwoman might exist. Other than that I never saw a thirdparty role in a game. I'd say it's something like that for me: It's probably the townie that dies when lynched but flips a day later. It's maybe some weird 3rd party shit I don't know. It's pretty unlikely that it's a mafia power but could be. Maybe it's nothing of thos 3 things :p | ||
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On February 24 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:44 syllogism wrote: A third party power that hides flips makes no sense at all. What possible function would that serve? I have no idea. I really don't know what kind of thirdparty roles excist and all I know about them is what I know from irc-Mafia and that Batman and Catwoman might exist. Other than that I never saw a thirdparty role in a game. I'd say it's something like that for me: It's probably the townie that dies when lynched but flips a day later. It's maybe some weird 3rd party shit I don't know. It's pretty unlikely that it's a mafia power but could be. Maybe it's nothing of thos 3 things :p 1) Assuming redFF was town-aligned, why would he claim tracker rather than that power or whatever? That doesn't make sense. 2) Unlikely 3) Hey now that makes sense, because hiding flips helps MAFIA 1) Because redFF is redFF and wants to survive and thought he had to claim blue. 2) Agree 3) I don't think so. If that ability would be a 1-shot they totally wasted it. And no, I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game | ||
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On February 24 2012 07:06 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 07:01 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote: On February 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:44 syllogism wrote: A third party power that hides flips makes no sense at all. What possible function would that serve? I have no idea. I really don't know what kind of thirdparty roles excist and all I know about them is what I know from irc-Mafia and that Batman and Catwoman might exist. Other than that I never saw a thirdparty role in a game. I'd say it's something like that for me: It's probably the townie that dies when lynched but flips a day later. It's maybe some weird 3rd party shit I don't know. It's pretty unlikely that it's a mafia power but could be. Maybe it's nothing of thos 3 things :p 1) Assuming redFF was town-aligned, why would he claim tracker rather than that power or whatever? That doesn't make sense. 2) Unlikely 3) Hey now that makes sense, because hiding flips helps MAFIA 1) Because redFF is redFF and wants to survive and thought he had to claim blue. 2) Agree 3) I don't think so. If that ability would be a 1-shot they totally wasted it. And no, I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game O rly? read the sentence | ||
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On February 24 2012 07:08 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 07:07 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 07:06 Jackal58 wrote: On February 24 2012 07:01 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:54 Blazinghand wrote: On February 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: On February 24 2012 06:44 syllogism wrote: A third party power that hides flips makes no sense at all. What possible function would that serve? I have no idea. I really don't know what kind of thirdparty roles excist and all I know about them is what I know from irc-Mafia and that Batman and Catwoman might exist. Other than that I never saw a thirdparty role in a game. I'd say it's something like that for me: It's probably the townie that dies when lynched but flips a day later. It's maybe some weird 3rd party shit I don't know. It's pretty unlikely that it's a mafia power but could be. Maybe it's nothing of thos 3 things :p 1) Assuming redFF was town-aligned, why would he claim tracker rather than that power or whatever? That doesn't make sense. 2) Unlikely 3) Hey now that makes sense, because hiding flips helps MAFIA 1) Because redFF is redFF and wants to survive and thought he had to claim blue. 2) Agree 3) I don't think so. If that ability would be a 1-shot they totally wasted it. And no, I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game O rly? read the sentence I did. so what's the problem with me saying that I doubt that palmar gave mafia that power? | ||
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I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game To me this reads as "I doubt it's a normal game and palmar ended up giving mafia an ability to make it an unnormal game". You just bolded the last part without reading the first part or I don't know what's going on oO | ||
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You thought I'm saying: I doubt X, but palmar ended up Y I was actually saying: I doubt (X + Y) or at least that's what I was trying to say | ||
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On February 24 2012 07:23 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 07:17 Toadesstern wrote: are you drunk or did I make some grammar mistake and we're both reading something else? I seriously doubt that it's a "normal flip game" but palmar gave a mafia the ability to hide flips every single day essentially making it a no-flip game To me this reads as "I doubt it's a normal game and palmar ended up giving mafia an ability to make it an unnormal game". You just bolded the last part without reading the first part or I don't know what's going on oO Did you know there was gonna be no night kill No I did not. What kind of question is that? | ||
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On February 24 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 07:37 Jitsu wrote: Make a case on what? I said you are playing bad. I didn't say you are scum. Guilty conscience? So you think I'm town he says he has no clue because it could be both, bad Town and bad Mafia. And no way we got VIs. Yeah maybe in irc mafia games because it's funny after all but that role is just ridiculous when people are playing real. I'd say BH is still mafia because I just don't see him the way he posts right now. | ||
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On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. you don't think BH is weird? Or are you not sure if it's mafia-weird or wtf-weird? | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:07 Blazinghand wrote: I don't like risk.nuke. He did nothing but make some vague complaints about redFF, then nakedly voted BC with no explanation, and when questioned, was like: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 06:46 risk.nuke wrote: On February 23 2012 06:42 Dirkzor wrote: 15 min to lynch. Risk you are around?!? Any thought instead of just voting BC?! Yeah I don't want to lynch redFF, just got home. So I threw my vote on BC because I like syllo. And has since disappeared from the thread. He's probably hanging out with his scumteam being like "hey guys check out this mad lurking skill" and lurking. ##vote: risk.nuke and I don't like that you don't like him because I don't like him either | ||
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On February 24 2012 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 10:09 prplhz wrote: I'm busy and I don't see much reason for me to talk unless people want my opinion in which case I'm very open about it. I have no idea what your problem is, there are several other players who are being more meek and closed and useless and scummy than I am. I don't think BloodyC0bbler is scum because his wagon could easily have gotten rolling in the last hour of yesterday and he was very close to getting lynched and I think scum would have prevented that. How do you feel about that? Um...we're talking to BC right now. Scum DID prevent "that". What are you even talking about guy? I was one of the guys who unvoted BC the last 30 minutes Because he suddenly jumped to a lot of votes from people I do not like. I quoted those 3 posts BH did if you remember that. Risk voted BC without a reason and it really looked like scum actually tried to get BC haning the last couple of minutes. However I doubt that mafia commited, they probably thought BC is a better lynch then redFF for mafia (if both are town, which I am inclined to believe) and therefore probably got 1, maybe 2 people voting BC as well. That's my interpretation of what happened yesterday. That's why I unvoted BC and voted BH instead. Do you think I am mafia VE? | ||
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Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well. And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange. In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar. So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game. I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now. It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head. Still reading the last 5 or so pages. | ||
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On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [...] The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. | ||
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On another matter: I posted a couple things about VE and noone said a thing about it so I guess I should vote as well. ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all? I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum. Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote | ||
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On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote: He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself. I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: At the moment I have no way to tell but I lean inactive town based on the fact that I doubt he'd have the balls to troll and post gifs as scum. Very few players are that gutsy as scum, IMO. Just look at regular trolls here: Kurumi only trolls when he's town and then when he's scum he's all serious because he's afraid of getting caught. Trolling brings you negative attention and I don't think he would do that unless he wasn't scared. Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. don't make him comment on Rol bugs... if he does I have no idea what's going on anymore. | ||
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On February 25 2012 05:37 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. There was a time yesterday when BH was a legitimate lynch candidate, yet I can't really find you commenting on him. Was there a reason that changed your mind or was it simply because you felt red was the better lynch? You were afk around that time and bugs was not here either. I somehow got the feeling you were afk on purpose the way you posted what I just quoted. | ||
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On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote: Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote: He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself. I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this Show nested quote + So i read this and thought i would check out his other post.But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. + Show Spoiler [Post on VE] + On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [...] The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all? I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum. Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. + Show Spoiler [ regarding BH] + On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote: Ok am back. Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well. And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange. In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar. So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game. I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now. It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head. Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me, can you stop that in the (near) future please? On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his feeling so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. | ||
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On February 25 2012 07:34 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote: Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote: He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself. I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post.+ Show Spoiler [Post on VE] + On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [...] The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all? I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum. Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. + Show Spoiler [ regarding BH] + On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote: Ok am back. Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well. And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange. In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar. So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game. I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now. It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head. Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. EBWOP :p | ||
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On February 25 2012 09:18 Tyrran wrote: Okay guys, I've been a bit sick for the last day. Still not completly cured, but feeling good enough to read some filter and strat scum hunting. Blazinghand I feel like his posting has improved compared to day 1. His is pointing at potential scum slip, and i feel like he is actually trying to help town rigth now, and no longer just posting useless posts. Still not confirmed townie, but on the rigth track. Toad Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 07:37 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote: Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote: He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself. I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post.+ Show Spoiler [Post on VE] + On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [...] The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote: How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all? I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum. Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. + Show Spoiler [ regarding BH] + On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote: Ok am back. Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well. And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange. In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar. So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game. I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now. It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head. Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. Toad delivers two strong scum read, and for both of them says he doesnt want to lynch them. I've got to say, layabout his rigth. Either they act scummy, in which wase they are lynch candidate, or they act towny, and should not be lynched. Also, he votes for RoL over those too without any reason, just to "get this rolling". He is basically defending both VE and BH by saying : "they look scum but hey, dont lynch them". Which to be honest is like the worst possible defence. RoL : His entire case against DocH seems to be seems to be revolving aroung DocH soft defending redFF. NOw if redFF actually had flipped scum, his case would make DocH a potential lynch, but as of now, with no flip information it feels really weak. I dont really see any good reason for pushing a DocH lynch. I'll put my vote on him, to pressure him to come post useful posts. ##vote RoL What I was basicly saying all the time: I need more time to understand what's going on with VE because I am picking up town- AND mafia vibes. He can't be both at the same time, therefore one of the things I pick up has to be wrong. I don't know which one it is and I don't want to be moron that roles the dices like I did in AC. Therefore I said he looks scummy but I'm not sure of this yet because of something else I got which looks like a Townie, therefore I need some time to understand what's going on. Compare it to rad's fake DT check in AC. By the time he posted people did not understand it was fake and it looked incredible townish because hey, it's a fucking DT check and he claimed another check on Sheth the day before that that turned out to be right. A bit later I realized that Palmar actually was the Batman and *breadcrumbed* that Radfield was Talia and voted Radfield because he was a confirmed mafia at that point. It's pretty much the same here. I got different issues, a couple directing towards mafia, a couple directing towards town and I haven't figured out what's going on yet. How is that a bad thing? I am not sure of his alignment yet, therefore I am not willing to lynch him because I think I'm going to be able to understand this within a couple days. About RoL: I am pretty sure I already mentioned him somewhere else or at least agreed to someone else thoughts on RoL. The 3 lynch options for me yesterday (RL days, it's 2am were I am right now) were VE, BH and RoL. As I am not sure abut VE and I think BH behaves weird. When I say weird I'm talking a about weird like "not the way I'd think he would given my conclusion" and yeah that's a gutfeeling. Take a look at L what I said about Palmar, take a look at what Sandroba was doing in TL Mafia XLVIII for references. I'm not sure what of those two it is. Because of that it is obvious for me that my vote goes to RoL for now and I don't see a problem with that. | ||
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On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote: On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote: Jitsu: I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting. Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification. Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said. ;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote: On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote: And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool. Pretty funny if you ask me. How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out. just for hilarity purposes: that's a lot of stuff you say :p | ||
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On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you yeah because believe or not, I don't want to be lynched no matter if I rolled mafia or town. Because in both scenarios being lynched is not helping my team. So what you're telling me is that you successfully figured out I'm not a VI? But that's of course wifom. I could totally be a VI trying to look pro-town to try and look like I don't want to be lynched. That would be so ingenious. Just imagine the faces of the people: "We're totally lynching that pro-town playing guy ololol" and the moment I flip VI they're all like W T F. + Show Spoiler + Just for clarification: Yes parts of this posts were sarcasm and are not meant to be taken seriously + Show Spoiler + it's the second part | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 12:08 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you yeah because believe or not, I don't want to be lynched no matter if I rolled mafia or town. Because in both scenarios being lynched is not helping my team. So what you're telling me is that you successfully figured out I'm not a VI? But that's of course wifom. I could totally be a VI trying to look pro-town to try and look like I don't want to be lynched. That would be so ingenious. Just imagine the faces of the people: "We're totally lynching that pro-town playing guy ololol" and the moment I flip VI they're all like W T F. + Show Spoiler + Just for clarification: Yes parts of this posts were sarcasm and are not meant to be taken seriously + Show Spoiler + it's the second part if you think BH is scum then vote for him if you're town you're the last person who would get lynched if he flipped town, the fact that you're worried enough about town perspective on your own guilt to vote based on that openly is highly suspicious Tell that wbg. He tried to lynch me in L ALL GAME LONG for saying Palmar is town, BC as mayor lynched Palmar d1 and guess what? The guy flipped town. WBG went nuts on me for the reason I stated above and said there's no way I could have possibly get that read if people like him, Supersoft, Jackal (?) and BC all thought Palmar was mafia. It's all based on a true story dude. I'm not even making this up, that's the sad part here. | ||
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On February 26 2012 01:21 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 25 2012 19:13 Dirkzor wrote: Shit I actually believe that claim =/ (haven't reread though) why, it wasn't factored into the vote at all What do you mean? I was talking about BH's claim. What vote? My vote? It was just my gut feeling when I read it the first time.. He apperently never used his doublevote. That's what DocH pointed out. Either it's bullshit and he isn't a floridian or he isn't aware of the fact that you have to tell palmar that you want a doublevote everytime you use it. At least that's the way it worked in... whatever the number is... He even said it's a "passive" bluerole so it makes sense that he isn't aware of that but on the other hand that's obviously a nice excuse for fakeclaiming. However given how easy it is to just tell him "yo dude, you have to tell palmar to doublevote" and spoil his evil plan (if he is mafia) I just doubt that, Looks to me like he has no idea what's going on, which is again hinting town imo, because a mafia player would have buddies telling him "yo dude, you have to tell palmar to doublevote". But that's of course wifom, especially now that I've said that and maybe he's aiming for that. | ||
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Someone said someting along the lines "yeah but there's still 4 mafia alive, therefore we need to...." and it was a 12 player game with 3 mafias tops. That was a known fact. The guy was about to get lynched and the moment he said that it looked really weird because a mafia would know how many mafia players there are wouldn't he? So it's either a really strong town tell or he did that on purpose to try and look confused to look like a townie. Or floridians are not the same way they used to be in .... whatever the number is... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + With 24 players alive, it takes 13 to lynch List of Voters Hier (14) syllogism Toadesstern Anonymous Palmar Radfield syllogism Erandorr redFF sandroba Refallen Zephirdd Palmar Anonymous Toadesstern Lanaia Jackal58 vaderseven prplhz I just copy & pasted the text... some of the votes are struck out, that's why some people are on that list twice :p Simply doublevoting would prove that he is a floridian but given what I said that's not making a difference. If his breadcrumb was any good I'd be willing to say it's a townie for sure but that breadcrum he quoted is literally the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen. Even now that I've got someone pointing at it and telling me 'there it is' I'm not really sure of it. That could be anything and for me it'is just not a breadcrumb. So it all comes down to wifom imo OR it really is a hidden, passive 2nd vote and there's no possibility to prove it. | ||
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On February 26 2012 03:05 syllogism wrote: I think vote counts have to be reliable and as such roles with additional voting power are either completely transparent (x2 next to the player with the power) or semi-transparent (anonymous vote). He claims that his power is passive and thus it doesn't need to be activated, so one of these two should be true. It seems more likely that his power is not passive, though it seems rather pointless to lie about that at this point. I'm also leaning towards the conclusion that any extra voting power role in this setup would be a scum role, if it's a 14-4 setup with no third party. So you basicly say you think it's a townie because a lie about that makes no sense as mafia but because it's most likely a 14-4 setup it has to be a mafia role? I get your point but that sounds so weird. What if it is not a 14-4 setup but instead something like a 12-4-2 setup (Town / mafia / 3rd party)? Would that change your conclusion? I'm asking because I'm leaning town based on the assumption that he's not smart enough to wifom the shit out of us like that as mafia. Like you said, it's really unlikely that he as a mafia doesn't know about his role, especially if there's people arround telling him how it usually works. That sounds so unlikely and for me the only reasonable case in which he flips mafia would be him knowing how his role works playing the noob-card. He's gone now, can't answer, that plays into that conclusion as well but I really got to say according to Occam's razor it should be a townie how has no clue because setting this whole thing up is so incredible ridiculous. But than again, is his situation going to get better in near future? Even if he proves that he actually is a floridian that tells nothing about his alignment because the only plausible mafia case imo is him setting this whole thing up and we're not going to be able to look into his brain and see if it really was a mistake or some shenanigans. | ||
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On February 26 2012 03:13 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 02:55 Toadesstern wrote: That's what it was in TL Mafia XLVIII: + Show Spoiler + With 24 players alive, it takes 13 to lynch List of Voters Hier (14) syllogism Toadesstern Anonymous Palmar Radfield syllogism Erandorr redFF sandroba Refallen Zephirdd Palmar Anonymous Toadesstern Lanaia Jackal58 vaderseven prplhz I just copy & pasted the text... some of the votes are struck out, that's why some people are on that list twice :p Simply doublevoting would prove that he is a floridian but given what I said that's not making a difference. If his breadcrumb was any good I'd be willing to say it's a townie for sure but that breadcrum he quoted is literally the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen. Even now that I've got someone pointing at it and telling me 'there it is' I'm not really sure of it. That could be anything and for me it'is just not a breadcrumb. So it all comes down to wifom imo OR it really is a hidden, passive 2nd vote and there's no possibility to prove it. Do you realise that an organised and sometimes even an unorganised scumteam will deliberately breadcrumb roles to support claims later in the game? Do you also realise that there is next to no inherent value in breadcrumbing a double vote ability? As town bread crumbing such a role increases the chance that scum will see it and kill you. As town or scum a breadcrumb makes you claim more believable. Bread crumbing is usually a way for you to hide results from checks so that if you die suddenly town can see your flip and find your breadcrumbs and work out your checks. A breadcrumb demonstrates that you thought forward so that you could claim later on. + Show Spoiler [lifted from mafia scum] + "A Breadcrumb is a veiled reference to your own role, actions, or results. It's a form of steganography that allows you to reveal sensitive information without making it evident to everyone that you're doing so. Another advantage to breadcrumbing is that it provides credence to any claim you make - if you claim to be a particular role and show a breadcrumb from very early in the game that reinforces your claim, it directly implies that you have been preparing to make this claim from the beginning of the game. Breadcrumbing has its problems, though. Many times, they cannot be reliably read unless the crumbing player points them out, and if there are no breadcrumbs at all players may waste their time trying to find them. In addition, scum have been known to breadcrumb roles as well; if the role they breadcrumbed became inconvenient to claim, they simply do not point them out later. Last, an obvious breadcrumb will draw the scum's attention and place that player at the top of the list of players they have an interest in killing overNight." A breadcrumb has bugger all to do with your alignment. I am aware of that fact. It's about all those things coming together. All those things I've mentioned about him are wifom and could be interpreted as both confused townie (or whatever you want to call it) or a mafia setting this thing up. The more things we got like that the more likely it is that he actually is a townie imo. It's like a giant puzzle. Sure he could have set this up, sure he could have lied about something else but if you got several things like that I'm going to assume that it's the one conclusion that explains all of those issues without a shitload of other explanations to why he actually did that. So far it's not enough for me to say he's a townie, maybe a decent breadcrumb would have changed that. I'm just asking myself if he'd do that set-up thing as mafia right now. | ||
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It's possible that he's going to flip town in the end but I'd say it's the best lynch we got. ##vote BH | ||
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Yeah it's a pretty big assumption but I really don't like people like risk and Chaoser. For all I know those two could very well end up being modkilled. Of course there's no such thing as activity modkill but not voting for someone will still be a modkill and neither of those 2 has voted. I'd say we lynch one of those 2 if one of them shows up and votes without a reason or just a oneliner the very next day. I don't see a reason to lynch into possible modkills right now so I won't suggest switching votes. Tyrran and Kita are somewhat the same because they haven't voted yet, they don't post a lot but they do post from time to time. Jackal hasn't voted either but has at least some presence in this thread like Kita and Tyrran and well, he's known for doing this lurkish style and the other ones I've mentioned are more extreme imo. | ||
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On February 26 2012 04:47 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote Blazinghand ... That guy needs to be dead. Not a mention here, no explanasion, no reasoning, nothing. If risk.nuke ends up being town I'll eat my hat... and the only hat I've got is a big one with feathers and all that shit because of some oktoberfest-like festival. | ||
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On February 26 2012 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 04:48 Toadesstern wrote: What about lynching people who aren't even playing this game? I've got a feeling we've been wrong on most of our scummy reads so far and that's why mafia is chilling and not even posting in this thread. Yeah it's a pretty big assumption but I really don't like people like risk and Chaoser. For all I know those two could very well end up being modkilled. Of course there's no such thing as activity modkill but not voting for someone will still be a modkill and neither of those 2 has voted. I'd say we lynch one of those 2 if one of them shows up and votes without a reason or just a oneliner the very next day. I don't see a reason to lynch into possible modkills right now so I won't suggest switching votes. Tyrran and Kita are somewhat the same because they haven't voted yet, they don't post a lot but they do post from time to time. Jackal hasn't voted either but has at least some presence in this thread like Kita and Tyrran and well, he's known for doing this lurkish style and the other ones I've mentioned are more extreme imo. So you have no confidence in your reads would you rather just lynch random lurkers instead? Who is "we", the town? You think we've all been wrong? That's discouraging and unhelpful. It doesn't matter if you have "a feeling" that everything is wrong. If you have a feeling that BH or RoL or VE or anything is the wrong lynch then go back, do some reading, and think critically about what's going on. Besides displaying a complete lack of confidence you're not doing anything besides pointing out who is lurking which is something everyone should be aware of, all they'd have to do even is to just see who has or hasn't voted by looking at the voting thread. Your lack of confidence is really alarming to me and I'm not sure yet whether to pin you as town who just got his self-esteem devastated by AC or scum trying to be active without being noticed or controversial. risk is in this game, he is actually playing and voting, yet he refuses to talk to us. I don't know about Chaoser yet because he still hasn't voted. Give me a reason why they should refuse to play this game as town? Just a single one. Clearly he's here and is actively lurking. He's not Foolishness who's doing that on purpose to make himself a bad night target and ends up giving us a dead on correct mafia list by the end of day-3. He's not one of the top5 (or whatver) townplayers on TL.net that everyone fears. There is literally no reason to do what he's doing if he's town. I don't even know why you're talking about my reads and my, according to you, little convidence making me look weird. I never said we should voteswitch yet. I just pointet out that those guys are ACTIVLY playing anti-town. That's it. Why do you have a problem with me pointing that out? | ||
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On February 26 2012 06:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: They could be busy. Lurking is not really the same as actively playing anti-town. I don't have a problem with you pointing out lurkers if you're going somewhere with it or trying to pressure them into being more active. I have a problem with you adding doubt to what's happening to town and basically listing lurkers with a ton of fluff. You were right to call out risk.nuke however, I just checked his filter. Looking at r.n's filter he's offering very little compared to what he had to bring to the table in Arkham City which makes me suspicious. He didn't troll or anything like that in AC and I see a lot of commentary on things not relevant to finding scum when he was pretty serious about that in AC. Chaoser seems to be totally busy and just uninvolved, I'm inclined to think he's town but he needs to post a lot more as soon as he has the time. Jackal is playing very reservedly which is not totally normal but does not alarm me. The few posts kitaman has made are posts that I'm mostly alright with. Risk has been sitting in irc for the last couple of days playing irc mafia and bw-mafia instead. Yes if that happens it IS activly lurking and it IS activly playing anti-town. I agree on Chaoser. That guy seems to be totally busy, he hasn't even posted this cycle so we'll see about this. The chances of him being modkilled are quite high, so no need to talk about him unless he actually comes back voting for someone. | ||
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Just mentioning. Yeah I know that's a lot of names but all of those people look incredible bad given this flip. and yeah agree it's pretty likely that there's going to be a scum role like that. | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why do we look bad and not Dirkzor Jitsu BloodyC0bbler what is so special about risk/wbg/ve/chaoser's votes on BH??? risk for willingly playing anti-town. VE for pushing BC and BH and redFF. BH flipped blue, BC is looking townish to me given the voteswitches on d1 and redFF was the easy guy. Take that + everything I said about him the last couple of days and it's enough for me to shoot that guy if I had a gun. Chaoser for what I said before about him. WBG for what I said d1 about him and this whole "everyone not voting BH or RoL from now on has to be considered Mafia" although I agree that could be his ego. Well from time to time it looks like he's trying to buddy me, defending me A LOT every day and than there's those times like yesterday when he talked to me and suddenly made that germany post. Kita for semi lurking, same as risk he's sitting in irc playing irc-mafia and stuff the last couple of days. prplhz would probably be the one I'd struck out if I had to struck someone out. It's just still very little he's posting and he's refusing to post unless people ask him about his reads. That doesn't sound townish. DocH for attacking me all day based on nothing except for "well Toad was doubtcasting". Well duh, the guy flipped blue and I said it's very much possible the guy had a bad start d1 and didn't know what to do. Yeah it's only 1 phrase per guy but whatever. | ||
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I was trusting you the beginning of d2 because you looked pretty townish and yeah I'll admit I was sheeping you guys because everyone said that's nothing like he ever does as town because there were so many vets saying that it looks weird. You guys could be right there, I have no idea I'll leave that guy out for now and ignore him trying to get some reads on people I actually played with before. | ||
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On February 26 2012 07:28 risk.nuke wrote: Toad, you don't know the meaning of lurking (see katrina in Arkham) and you have created your own meaning for what playing anti-town is. As a townie it's your goal to make sure everyone sees that you are in fact a townie. That's the one most important thing about townies. You are not willing to help us figure out what alignment you have. Yes that IS playing anti-town. | ||
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On February 25 2012 12:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 12:08 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 12:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. You seem to care an awful lot about how town perceives you yeah because believe or not, I don't want to be lynched no matter if I rolled mafia or town. Because in both scenarios being lynched is not helping my team. So what you're telling me is that you successfully figured out I'm not a VI? But that's of course wifom. I could totally be a VI trying to look pro-town to try and look like I don't want to be lynched. That would be so ingenious. Just imagine the faces of the people: "We're totally lynching that pro-town playing guy ololol" and the moment I flip VI they're all like W T F. + Show Spoiler + Just for clarification: Yes parts of this posts were sarcasm and are not meant to be taken seriously + Show Spoiler + it's the second part if you think BH is scum then vote for him if you're town you're the last person who would get lynched if he flipped town, the fact that you're worried enough about town perspective on your own guilt to vote based on that openly is highly suspicious told you there's going to be some morons who want to get me lynched for that, funny you said if you're town you're the last person who would get lynched if he flipped town, and yet you're telling people that I'm looking incredible bad. Tyrran is probably just bad himself but what about you? Anyways I'm going to play some Zelda for now, need some de-stressing or I'll pull a wbg on you guys. | ||
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On February 26 2012 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't understand what you are saying. I have never said you are more suspicious based on the fact that BH flipped town. I said you were suspicious by being so aware of it or concerned about it. Your play is completely defensive and seems to me based around how town views you rather than how you look for scum. Your 1st point: I am sorry I thought the guy might flip town and posted that. Next time I pick something like that up I'm just going to ignore it, lynch the guy although I think he has a decent chance of flipping green (or in this case blue) and make sure noone talks about alternatives. Is that what you want from me to do / the reason you think I am scummy? Really? + Show Spoiler + Yes that was sarcasm, again. I'm not going to do that. On to your 2nd point: That's a straight up lie. My play is not defensive. Yes I tried to start this game a little slower not fosing everyone I had a scumread early on but instead waited to see how these things are developing when left unmentioned. However I called out several people. In fact I just gave a list of people who are imo highly suspicious right now either because of what they did earlier or because of the flip or because of both. How is that not looking for scum? And yeah I already mentioned I am paying attention to how everyone here views me because again, looking town and being open about your thoughts is the most important thing townies have to do because if you end up being lynched for lurking that's entirely your fault. Something people like risk.nuke apparently haven't understood and also something you (and Tyrran) call me suspicious for. | ||
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On February 26 2012 09:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why did you vote for BH if you thought he had a decent chance instead of people you thought were scum like RN or Chaoser. It's classic bet hedging. There is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging that he might flip town, I did that too. So did other people. You talking about alternatives also isn't scummy and I never said it was. Now you're defending yourself against shit I'm not saying and never said, the implicit guilt is just oozing out. let's see this again: On February 26 2012 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I said you were suspicious by being so aware of it or concerned about it. . So what do you mean by "being so concerned about it" if it's not me talking about about how I think the guy might end up being a confused townie? Because if I interpreted that one wrong my bad, but I can't think of another meaning on that part. And I voted BH because I thought he's still a coinflip and is most like not going to be easier to read with this huge wagon we had on him while the other coinflips I got are all some people I think I'm capable to read better in near future. There was noone in this thread, I pointet out a couple of guys roughly an hour before the deadline and also before that and it wasn't enough time to get someone else lynched. I would have loved to get risk lynched but it just wasn't possible given that noone's actually here. Also another last minute voteswitch would have been pretty chaotic for town again, like the one we did on d1 with BC and got back to redFF after people like BH and risk started posting about BC. Town needed some stability and a (imo) coinflip was still a good enough option for that one. | ||
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On February 26 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: We should 100% kill RoL if he is alive by morning. He's continually promised more and his promise of more was just a shitty case on Dr. H. Right now I'm fairly tired of reading and/or responding to retarded posts that I pretty much know are being made by townies, since it's just a waste of time. So from now on I'm just going to ignore that stuff and focus on things I find scummy. are you at least telling me if that's me, DocH or Tyrran you're referring to if you're not willing to talk about it? What are you suggesting we do with people like Risk and Chaoser? Clearly they have no interest in proving that they're town. | ||
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On February 26 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: We should 100% kill RoL if he is alive by morning. He's continually promised more and his promise of more was just a shitty case on Dr. H. Right now I'm fairly tired of reading and/or responding to retarded posts that I pretty much know are being made by townies, since it's just a waste of time. So from now on I'm just going to ignore that stuff and focus on things I find scummy. are you at least telling me if that's me, DocH or Tyrran you're referring to if you're not willing to talk about it? What are you suggesting we do with people like Risk and Chaoser? Clearly they have no interest in proving that they're town. half of your posts are not worth responding to, ones like this are okay. I'm fine with killing chaoser, but risk.nuke I'm not so sure about because he's done some weird things that I don't think a scum would do. I think he's one of the dumber townies. Why are you okay with killing chaoser but not risk? Chaoser said he was busy and will start posting soon (tm) while risk is doing that on purpose. | ||
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On February 26 2012 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 10:38 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 26 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: We should 100% kill RoL if he is alive by morning. He's continually promised more and his promise of more was just a shitty case on Dr. H. Right now I'm fairly tired of reading and/or responding to retarded posts that I pretty much know are being made by townies, since it's just a waste of time. So from now on I'm just going to ignore that stuff and focus on things I find scummy. are you at least telling me if that's me, DocH or Tyrran you're referring to if you're not willing to talk about it? What are you suggesting we do with people like Risk and Chaoser? Clearly they have no interest in proving that they're town. half of your posts are not worth responding to, ones like this are okay. I'm fine with killing chaoser, but risk.nuke I'm not so sure about because he's done some weird things that I don't think a scum would do. I think he's one of the dumber townies. Why are you okay with killing chaoser but not risk? Chaoser said he was busy and will start posting soon (tm) while risk is doing that on purpose. replace "chaoser" with RoL and tell me why we shouldn't kill him. Never said we should ignore him. I'm justs not mentioning him because I never played with him and therefore don't know what he's usually playing like. | ||
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On February 26 2012 10:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2012 10:43 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2012 10:40 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 26 2012 10:38 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 26 2012 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2012 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote: We should 100% kill RoL if he is alive by morning. He's continually promised more and his promise of more was just a shitty case on Dr. H. Right now I'm fairly tired of reading and/or responding to retarded posts that I pretty much know are being made by townies, since it's just a waste of time. So from now on I'm just going to ignore that stuff and focus on things I find scummy. are you at least telling me if that's me, DocH or Tyrran you're referring to if you're not willing to talk about it? What are you suggesting we do with people like Risk and Chaoser? Clearly they have no interest in proving that they're town. half of your posts are not worth responding to, ones like this are okay. I'm fine with killing chaoser, but risk.nuke I'm not so sure about because he's done some weird things that I don't think a scum would do. I think he's one of the dumber townies. Why are you okay with killing chaoser but not risk? Chaoser said he was busy and will start posting soon (tm) while risk is doing that on purpose. replace "chaoser" with RoL and tell me why we shouldn't kill him. Never said we should ignore him. I'm justs not mentioning him because I never played with him and therefore don't know what he's usually playing like. anyway here's what I want you to do: read risk's filter, and tell me what you find in there that shows you that he's scum. Nothing because there's not much in there. There's also nothing that makes him look townish. Leaves us with a nullread who refuses to play protown. Yes I am very much willing to lynch people who refuse to play this game and / or refuse to play protown if it's apparent that it's not lack of time that's getting in the way. That's btw the reason I'd have done that one: On February 26 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm fine with killing chaoser, but risk.nuke I'm not so sure about. the other way around. Yes I know you are referring to his posts like the one if the giv and the fact that he is playing boldly. Remember what you said in the little discussion about my claim in AC a couple days ago when I said that's something a mafia player would not do? You said that's wifom becaus there are players that would take the risk to get shot by CW as mafia knowing that it will look townish. How is it that you think that's possible but at the same time think that just because of posts like the one with that gif you think he has to be town? | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. | ||
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On February 27 2012 07:47 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. I disagree: Jackal could very well have been a Town vig... Jackal is hard to read and he havent really been Mr. Helpful. well I agree that Jackal is hard to read but I doubt that people would shoot him instead of people like RoL who gets basicly attacked by every vet in this game or some lurker like risk or chaoser. Who would take that risk and shoot jackal as a townie when there's much better targets running around? And apparently none of those got shot. | ||
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On February 28 2012 01:34 layabout wrote: So what, we just vote and leave? It sees like we are forgetting what playing mafia actually involves Also + Show Spoiler [This is dumb] + On February 27 2012 21:11 Tyrran wrote: A new day rises. Time to do what scum prevented us to do yesterday. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend. I guess I should make an elaborate case on why Toad is scum too, so tat we can lynch him tomorrow. Dirkzor, you're not starting day 3 very well. We dont care if Jackal was a town or scum hit. Instead, who do you think is scum is this game ? + Show Spoiler [and this is dumb] + On February 28 2012 01:18 Toadesstern wrote: voting RoL, syllo flipped town, I'm fetching up my lil sis an getting myself something to eat. Will pretend I'm actually talking to someone later and explain my thoughts. The correct reason to vote for RoL is that he is lurking and he is being inactive and his meta suggests that inactive RoL=Scum RoL. He also has not contributed very much in his posts. That is what sets him apart from the rest of the inactive super friends + Show Spoiler [The inactive super friends] + The inactive super friends are also known as the people that you may have forgotten were playing and their names are as follows: Captain risk.nuke Sergeant prphlz Lieutenant Jitsu Rear Admiral RoL Commodore chaoser Field marshal Tyrran Corporal Kitaman27 Private Dirzor yeah as mentioned I was in a hurry and made that post to clear out some things. What I said in there just adds up to the already existing case. Now that Syllo is dead we all know he tried to find mafia and noone has to be afraid that syllo might end up being mafia himself although I doubt anyone was afraid that that might happen. So we now know Syllo meant it when attacking RoL and did not do some shenanigans. Furthermore people have been on RoL for a long time. Syllo voted him, I did the first 1,5 days of the last day cycle or something like that and we had a third guy who voted him. From that point we did not get more votes although RoL was a nice alternative, especially given that the people pushing BH were some mediocre players (no offense) and the people pushing RoL were exclusively vets. Again, that just adds to what we already got on RoL and I just did not want to post everything again. RoL should have been shot yesterday which leads me to the assumption that we either don't have vigs or the guy got protected by mafia because they knew RoL is the most likely to take a hit. For now I'm going to stop attacking people like VE and we really need to get RoL hanging. Risk got replaced so he gets a freepass for today imo. | ||
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On February 28 2012 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I have a feeling we're screwed. I think BC is scum and RoL doesn't care enough to clear his name. /facepalm I'm about to go on a posting spree about a few people, and I'd appreciate some leeway to finish my posts before we just start calling everything I'm saying scummy. I'm going to be examining the following people - previous scumreads BloodyC0bbler, wherebugsgo and RoL and new interestings Toadesstern and layabout. I'm not sure who I'll support a lynch of, but if it's not one of these people, I'll cerrtainly provide reasoning explaining why. btw I kind of agree with that one. I still got the feeling BC might very well end up being mafia, same about wbg but I can't place a finger on it yet. Obviously (for me) I am not mafia so I'd love to see your thoughts on BC or wbg, that would help me a lot to judge you and both are good targets to analyze because they're behaving strange. | ||
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On February 28 2012 02:42 Jitsu wrote: @VE, the other thing yelling at me in the back of my mind is that BC is still alive. No one claimed a Jackal Vig shot, so I assume both Jackal and Syllo were mafia hits. Two shots on two town players - understandable. But they didn't even attempt to kill one of the better, more renowned town players? That thought keeps creeping back into my mind. who would be those better, more renowned town players? Kita? Wbg? prplhz? BC? I'd say Jackal looked better than all of the people I just mentioned and syllo was straight up confirmed given how he played and actually DID something (and got pissed after he realized noone is playing). | ||
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On February 28 2012 02:50 Jitsu wrote: I could understand Syllo. I am curious to why Jackal was shot instead of them at least trying to shoot BC. All WIFOM though. It's just a question mark in mah heads. I'm waiting to read VE's cases. 1. Mabe this no-flip thingy d1 didn't use both mafia KP and only used one KP making it a noflip + 1KP d1 (I really doubt we got 2 protections/ vets shot). If that's the case they shot someone d1 who got protected. That someone can't be syllo because no medic is stupid enough to switch targets after a no-kill night when he actually protected a vet who is referred to as one of the, if not the most intelligent town player on TL.net. Again, no medic is stupid enough to do that. So maybe they shot BC n1 and he got protected resulting in shooting Jackal instead last night. Maybe they shot someone else and that guy got protected, idk. Yes it's a lot of wifom but it could be an explanation. 2. BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). That said, Jackal is hard to judge but nevertheless he still looked better than players I mentioned earlier on. There's people thinking wbg might be mafia, there's people thinking prplhz might be mafia, the only thing that makes kita look good is the fact that he's very dedicated in killing me when he's mafia (sup Mr. we need to shoot Toad 6 times? ❤ ). So while you might argue if Jackal really is playing a bad town (he is not) or if he's palying worse than those people I quoted (I doubt that) you can't ignore the fact that the alternatives that are considered "good" all had some issues which made them look scummy to at least some degree. Why would mafia want to shoot people we're talking about because they're looking scummy? | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia Show nested quote + BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. "BC's town" = what he shows this game. That doesn't mean he is town it's actualyl the exact opposite. I'm NOT assuming he's town, I am telling people that what there might be more to BC than what he's telling us in this thread, e.g. a mafiafQT or mafiaIRC. If at all you should be worried that I'm talking about those 2 sides of this medal because mafias obviously are well aware of the fact that Thread-Guy =/= Real-Guy because everyone of them is trying to impersonate something else withing the thread. So he's either a mafia who's (obviously) trying to look like a townie and that townie he tries to impersonate is not as good of a townie than most people praise him to be. Or he's a townie who's getting hyped a lot and hasn't met those expectations. But yeah, I so far the "he's a townie" explanation looks more reasonable to me although there's some things I don't like about him. | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Most damning about Toad is that he's trying to twist BC's well-known SCUM META into well-known all-around (which just isn't true.) I pointed this out specifically earlier in the game to see who is actually reading the thread; BC's town play, in comparison to his scum play, is awful. Just look at XLVII where he tunneled Palmar for 2 goddamn days. Toad either deliberately ignored this, or he's not reading the thread: neither of these things tell me we have a town Toad. He should know all of this without me even saying anything, but yet he still asserts the opposite, which suggests he is scum. Why would any townie try to assert something they should know is completely untrue? Right now he's riding the line between BC being scum and town, which is suspiciously indicative of him trying to make an accusation that will stick with some player in the game. wat? I was responding to this one: On February 28 2012 02:42 Jitsu wrote: @VE, the other thing yelling at me in the back of my mind is that BC is still alive. No one claimed a Jackal Vig shot, so I assume both Jackal and Syllo were mafia hits. Two shots on two town players - understandable. But they didn't even attempt to kill one of the better, more renowned town players? That thought keeps creeping back into my mind. The guy said shooting Jackal makes no sense because BC is way better as Town and I said I doubt that. What are you even talking about? | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today. ##vote Toadesstern watwatwat?!?!? Okay I get that you got a fucking big ego but that IS bullshit and is actually a REAL scumslip. You're basicly saying you figured 3 mafias out whereas we got 0 mafias hanging until now. That's complete and utter bullshit, yet you go on and promise that town will hang a mafia as long as people lynch into that list no matter who dies. So you're basicly ruling out the possiblity that not even 1 of those guys might flip town. Nice one wbg | ||
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On February 28 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today. ##vote Toadesstern watwatwat?!?!? Okay I get that you got a fucking big ego but that IS bullshit and is actually a REAL scumslip. You're basicly saying you figured 3 mafias out whereas we got 0 mafias hanging until now. That's complete and utter bullshit, yet you go on and promise that town will hang a mafia as long as people lynch into that list no matter who dies. So you're basicly ruling out the possiblity that not even 1 of those guys might flip town. Nice one wbg just for clarification because this is important. He says "votes stay between these 3 players". He is saying "those 3 are mafia and we need to focus on one guy". Votes staying between those 3 players = mafia can manipulate if there's a least a single player in there who's not mafia. No way bugs would say such a thing, not even with his ego. | ||
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On February 28 2012 05:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh wait it was scara who got modkilled in Salem right? I got him confused with RoL. @Toades It isn't a scumslip to say he's pretty sure these 3 guys are scum. You're grasping at straws defensively, it's really obvious to me now. It's not about what he says but what he clearly leaves out. He says those 3 guys are mafia. He votes me. He says we should keep our votes between those 3 people. He DOES NOT SAY that we need to focus on one guy to not give mafia a chance to manipulate this vote. He simpyl votes me, leaving you with the choice of what to do now. There is no way Town-WBG would do such a thing. | ||
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On February 21 2012 09:59 wherebugsgo wrote: VE stfu you suck Everyone else sucks marginally less ATM. Mostly chaoser is doing the least sucking. Blazinghand learn to play I have to program for a few hours so I'll bbl. Till then I suggest you all brush up on Ver's guide since the last page has made my eyes bleed. That is essentually the wbg we all now. Yes he's a bit rough but he usually does that to get some reactions and see what people think about each other. He loves to do posts like that as town because a lot of people get offended and therefore repeat to a post like that. Keep that in mind. That's his very first post and that is Town-WBG, but we got several posts that are nothing like his usual town style. Also keep in mind impersonating that kind of style is pretty easy because you only need to know how to be a dick, you don't actually have to say something of use. Ok here's an impression from Chaoser: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia. chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite? kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser? Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players. yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever. + Show Spoiler [proof for ego] + On February 21 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 21 2012 10:43 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia. chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite? kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser? Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players. yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). sup ##vote chaoser Ho boy, what are YOUR thoughts on redFF Bugs? I see you're now offended by chaoser's play in spite of him "doing the least sucking"...you completely ignore my case on redFF and stick a vote on the guy doing "the least sucking" in-thread? Something is..........not right here. Maybe I need a break from the thread for a bit. redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him. He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts. Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments. As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence. Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads? I mean come on. Yeah fine I get why you list myself and risk, but the rest? But that's not the point, he really thinks he's that awesome :p + Show Spoiler [next bigger post] + On February 21 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 21 2012 10:54 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 21 2012 10:43 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 10:33 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Ho boy, the thread died fast. That worries me a little, but that could just be paranoia. chaoser - so by your correction and apology, should I assume that you're no longer agreeing with red's assessment that I'm being a hypocrite? kitaman27 - what are your thoughts on chaoser? Jackal, BC, syllo, WBG, you guys care to weigh in on this? I mean, it's early but I'd have expected to hear what an idiot I am at least twice between those 4 players. yes. i take it back, i misread. I dunno why WBG is buddying me though. I think I'm playing decently well though, but I think you're doing better (aka I think you're townine ATM). sup ##vote chaoser Ho boy, what are YOUR thoughts on redFF Bugs? I see you're now offended by chaoser's play in spite of him "doing the least sucking"...you completely ignore my case on redFF and stick a vote on the guy doing "the least sucking" in-thread? Something is..........not right here. Maybe I need a break from the thread for a bit. redFF=bad=I have no idea what his alignment is atm. If you want a general idea of how I deal with redFF, look at Resurrection (in which I call him bad repeatedly and then actually defend him from the onslaught of Ace) or at XLVII where I completely ignore him. He was opposite alignment in those two games and honestly I could barely tell the difference. I guess part of that stems from not wanting to read/decipher his posts. Since I believe redFF is going to be comparatively unreadable to some of the other players here (read: syllo, kita, chaoser, you, RoL, Jackal, Toad, risk) I think it's more fruitful for us to be pushing players who will react in ways we expect them to react depending on their alignments. As of now, yes, that means I think chaoser is scummy because he called it strange for me to buddy him and then turned around and buddied you in the next sentence. Remember: need to know basis. Why does anyone need to know chaoser's town reads? And now we're getting somewhere. I guess I have a few questions for you regarding redFF if this is your stance on him. 1) Do you think redFF actually believed in a Policy Lynch of Tyrran based on his posts? 1a) If no, do you think he's used the information he's gained from "generating discussion" effectively? 1b) If yes, what do you think of his sudden unvote of Tyrran based on 1 post he made? 2) You said it yourself - he's "playing the victim" with his latest post. Is this something you'd expect scum to do regardless of skill-level or readability? 2a) If no, then why did you bring it up? 2b) If yes, then why would you NOT vote for redFF considering there's already support for his lynch and there's a (good) case against him? 1) 1a) I have no fucking clue what he really thinks, since I'm not him, but solely based on how dumb his play is, yes. I think he believes everything he says is good play because he views himself so highly. Example from Resurrection that I'll never forget: Show nested quote + On September 04 2011 09:42 redFF wrote: you only get lynched as town if your bad, not your attacker's fault you played scummy. meh ima go now, i've said everything ive needed to say. 2)] He strongly believes this, and Ace said something I couldn't say better myself: people get lynched for all sorts of reasons, and a lot of the time it isn't even their own fault. Look at Hammer Mini: I get lynched for not showing up for like 4 hours. It wasn't a long time (and basically I got lynched because my keyboard broke, more or less. I hadn't done anything alignment-indicative at that point and everyone just bandwagoned) Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. 1b) Standard retarded redFF play 2) Loaded question: short answer, yes. Scum do it all the time IMO. But the problem is, so do bads. For reference, here's more of redFF playing the victim: Show nested quote + On November 09 2011 08:32 redFF wrote: honestly since you guys are retards and its likely that me and kita are going to solely win this game with a little help from chaoser i dont see where calling me stupid is going to get you (look at the irony in that last post: he complains about being called stupid but the first thing he said called everyone else retarded LOL) 3) redFF plays victim all the time as town. I pointed it out because I instinctively point out things that I find to be scummy. However, since everything redFF ever does is scummy, I don't see how that is helpful. 2a) answered; yes; instinctive to point out scumtells 2b) answered; because redFF is possibly the worst player I've played with and because I disagree that it's actually even a scumtell with his posting history 1) = he thinks redFF is probably town 2) = Excuse for lynching townies 3) = he really thinks redFF is a townie Why did you vote redFF early on to switch to BC again wbg? Answer in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2012 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote: That's the reasonsyllo can you give me your opinion on redFF? I think I was completely wrong about him. + Show Spoiler [ next big post] + On February 21 2012 11:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 11:38 redFF wrote: Same thing happened in resurrection : two townies got lynched because they were unable to defend themselves from the town derpwagon spearheaded by redFF, who at the time 100% believed they were scum. bolded why it was their fault he views himself so highly hilarious coming from you, not that I disagree.I don't know what those last quotes have to do with mafia other than calling me a hypocritical asshole, which is probably true. 1) at no point have I said I ever think I am good. In fact I realize I am not. However, that doesn't stop me from calling out bad play, cause damn it's so fun to do so. Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 11:42 Jackal58 wrote: Dear redFF and WBG You both suck. Sincerely, Jackal58 Since you know redFF better than I ever will, mind telling us what he is? At the moment I still don't see anything other than normal redFF, which isn't worth wasting a vote on. Voting him just makes the thread explode with more useless one liners. Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 11:41 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 10:48 chaoser wrote: i'm not buddying you? I'm giving a town read. I didn't realize giving out town reads was buddying. we can argue about the usefulness of giving out town reads though. also, i am watching the knicks game, why am i not scum jackal =[ giving out town reads is bad and you know that. So why are you doing it? debatable. people give out townie reads all the time, especially at night to try to direct medics if needed. At the same time mafia get directed to shoot at the person. Either way though, the mafia should be good enough to "read" who is the most townie person in the game and so they'd shoot at them anyway, even if someone gives a town read. Therefore, I don't think giving out townie reads affect mafia in anyway. While the night is debatable, I don't think there's anything negative about giving reads in the morning. Especially since it gives the other players a barometer on what my reads and thoughts are Giving a townie read during the day merely gives more information to town about me and my reads. In the long run, that'd help town. If I change my opinion, I'm forced to defend it. I have less "freedom" to do whatever i want so I think it's more helpful to townie then to mafia. Since you love Ace so much, Show nested quote + On September 04 2011 09:18 Ace wrote: What the fuck is anyone's Town reads going to accomplish right now but to clutter the thread and lead to bullshit? Secondly telling everyone your town reads opens up to Scum manipulation. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends. that's all I have to say on the matter. 1) Yeah, that's not town-WBG. I already said something about his ego didn't I? That's him kind of brownnosing. WBG thinks he' awesome, one of the best players around and he's saying that to look modest. Why should he do that as a townie? Why would he want to appear modest when everyone knows he's not? + Show Spoiler [ next big post] + On February 21 2012 12:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2012 12:32 chaoser wrote: On February 21 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 21 2012 12:04 chaoser wrote: If you notice though, that specific quote from Ace was towards the players of that game ASKING others for their LIST of town (and scum) reads in a no flip game. It was basically a game that was easy to manipulate and a situation where EVERYONE was giving out reads like woah. That is different from this case because it is only me giving my read. So if mafia wants, they can try to manipulate me and that's about it. Your votes can't criss cross your Town reads or you'll be called out by any decent Scum reading the thread. You shouldn't give your Town reads early because the Mafia can see what players don't have strong support, leading to the easy sheepish behavior by the Town to lynch the person with the least friends. I don't really see a problem because I don't plan to criss cross my reads with my votes (why would a townie need to do this) without explaining my change in reads first. The second point, again, doesn't matter since it's only my read and so mafia really can't tell who has "Strong" support or not. Either way, there are ways for mafia to gauge "support" aside from seeing people's town reads. Just by looking at voting threads, one can usually deduce who is being supported and who isn't. So that quote doesn't apply to this situation at all. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck as much as I love to call him terrible, if he actually is town no one is going to defend him anyway and so you have no idea whether or not we're actually doing a good thing here. Imagine VE being scum and you just called him town. You give him credence and reliability if he's scum. If he actually is town we don't actually gain anything except an opinion of yours, that, if you are town, can be manipulated. Certainly it's manipulable regardless of VE's real alignment. If I'm not being clear enough: If I were scum, I'd love for people to do what town-Ace hates. I'm not cocky enough to think that people will take my townie read at face value and will be highly regarded. As you can see, many people in the game don't care much for my thoughts at the moment anyway. RedFF is being voted on cause he's been scummy/playing shitty, not because I'm giving credulousness to VE. Ace's opinion is completely relevant here because the person with the least support = redFF and he's getting bandwagoned to fuck At this point, it's only a few hours into day one and there's only like 4 votes on him, hardly what I'd call someone being "bandwagoned to fuck", especially with people saying they want to move off his lynch. I doubt we're going to sit on him and just waste the day. Do you? I still don't think you've made a good case for why my giving a town read on VE was a bad move. Let's say we agree to disagree and move on. Toad, what do you think about Jackal saying you're scum. And what do you think about the recent developments regarding RedFF? Does he still deserve a lynch, especially if we can't find anyone else to lynch by the end of the day? 1) I care about your opinion, same as I care about the opinion of the majority of the players in this game. As town shouldn't it be your priority to get people to care about your opinion? You just said you think people don't care much for your thoughts. Even if it's only a few hours into the game you think that's a good thing for a townie? I think it's great for scum to not listened to, and in fact that makes you look a lot scummier. You're perceptive about how others view you and yet you don't seem to care all that much. Show nested quote + At this point, it's only a few hours into day one and there's only like 4 votes on him, hardly what I'd call someone being "bandwagoned to fuck", especially with people saying they want to move off his lynch. I doubt we're going to sit on him and just waste the day. Do you? It might be early in the day but that doesn't prevent bandwagons from starting. The one lesson I learned from all the games in which I watched a townie die day 1 is that you have to stop the bandwagon's momentum as soon as you believe that it is picking up steam for the wrong reasons. In fact, at times it matters less what you think about the subject and more so what you think of the players who are pushing. A great example would be Some Mafia Game or Steamship. In Steamship, for one, I screamed for hours about how Kenpachi and sinani could not possibly be scum and completely missed the people on their wagons who pushed them with no scrutiny. I could tell even at only 3 or 4 votes that those bandwagons were going badly but I did not do the correct things to stop them. Perhaps this game will be different. I don't know what redFF is simply based on reading his posts, but based on how he's been voted I don't feel confident about that lynch. (and ofc his meta) 2) Finally, you probably know this, but as it's early morning in Europe I doubt Toad will be posting any time soon. 1) Same as above. wbg kind of brownnosing and everyone knows he's not that kind of player. Remember L? He said after the game he knew I was Town all along and kept pushing me for the lulz and to see me raging. Some people actually listened to him and like 3 or 4 people thought I was mafia in that game and started to tunnel me although there was nothing that looked like a mafia. In fact someone at some point snapped and said something along the lines "OK I'VE GOT ENOUGH OF YOU. I'LL WATCH REREAD YOUR FILTER AND MAKE THE BEST FUCKING CASE EVER". You know what happened? 2 hours later the guy got back in the thread telling me he found nothing that made me look like a mafia. THAT IS WBG. He is not a nice guy as townie. He does that on purpose to get reactions. 2) I already quoted that earlier and said that looks like mafia-wbg. No way wbg would post such a thing. He loves seeing people defend themselves. Sure I was asleep but town-wbg would not have posted a shit about it. Town wbg would have loved me to wake up the next morning and post something to defend MYSELF because wbg can judge me based on my defense. However, wbg does not need to judge people, he already knows my alignment. Also I got the opinion he's buddying me. He saw me in AC and thought I'm not capable to find mafia and I'll agree my town play really i not the best so he figured I'm a nice buddy-target because telling people I'm town is no threat to mafia if he thinks I'm not capable to catch mafia. + Show Spoiler [next post] + On February 22 2012 07:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 07:29 redFF wrote: On February 22 2012 07:23 redFF wrote: Explain how everything I've done has scum motivations wbg. I don't explain shit to scum to help them defend themselves, sorry. In reality it's "I don't explain shit to people to help them defend themselves, sorry.". That has nothing to with redFF but with the fact that he actually was defending me early on without a reason. + Show Spoiler [next big post] + On February 22 2012 12:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2012 12:23 kitaman27 wrote: Dang it, I'm a sucker for blue claims. Funny to see the votes pile up on red after the claim, rather than before. On one hand, a mafia player who is set to die should always be claiming blue, but on the other, his claim ties up a potential roleblocker. Tracker is a tricky claim because even confirming it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a mafia stalker or something. I'll be keeping my vote on him for the moment. Now to everyone else: I've enjoyed comedy hour with Jackal, but his filter is completely void of content. Not a single post showing he isn't just along for the ride. Toad appears to be going through post-Arkham depression or something. A lot of fluff and he isn't very willing to share his reads. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: Okay I don't think that redFF is scum because he's been pretty out there. The scummiest he has done in my opinion is his claim which was oddly timed. Right now he's a terribly easy lynch, because we'll have to lynch him at some point. I'd like to see wherebugsgo explain how everything redFF has done can be explained by scum motivation and can not be explained by town motivation. The worst thing about this whole redFF thing is that the lynch is so easy that everybody can just pile onto him and then the day is kinda ruined, we aren't going to find anybody else. I don't think that redFF is scum because he's just been putting himself too much in the line of fire. On February 22 2012 11:14 prplhz wrote: I'll vote redFF to avoid no lynch. I kinda assume that this is an extended majority lynch where we can end up in a no lynch sitaution, but the OP doesn't really say anything about that. But like, redFF probably isn't scum, come on. There's also plenty good in having him around since scum can't role block anybody else no matter redFF's alignment. The lynch today comes down to "We very likely have to lynch redFF at some point, should it be today or do we have something better?". Right now, I think it's too early to say. These two statements by prpl completely contradict each other. You argue how you don't think red is scum, but you're willing to vote him to avoid no lynch? How does that make sense? If you're going to argue that he really is blue, then of course a no lynch would be more beneficial. How about push a different lynch if red isn't your priority? This is really poor from him. I know I already picked on Dirkzor for his language, but I'm going to do it again. On February 21 2012 07:03 Dirkzor wrote: The positive part is that I already have something to critisize... Good job on starting discussion. "Hey guys. Look at me and my protown attitude!" On February 22 2012 02:39 Dirkzor wrote: I'll give my honest opinion so far... Only scum say this. On February 22 2012 05:03 Dirkzor wrote: Wat? I'm glad you have that big confidence in my ability as town but I can't magicly make me notice scum... I notice what I notice when I notice it. And when I do I post it. So far this game I got jack. Lack of aggression and confidence. I love you so much right now. However, if you turn out to be the godfather I will hate myself forever. wat? Oh god that post gets big and it's only the first 2 pages of his filter... You get what I'm talking about right? Wbg isn't the kind of guy he tries to show us from time to time in this game. He is brownnosing and buddying as mafia. Look through his filter and check for things like that. I can't just quote every single one of of those posts. | ||
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On February 28 2012 06:17 layabout wrote: Toad, you are wrong. Again. Show nested quote + Here's a thing about wbg's Mafia style: He tries to impersonate the dick he is when playing town but from time to time buddies people or is brownnosing. Chaoser had that feeling, I had that feeling about him as well. WBG really isn't the kind of guy that tells people they're good within a game because of his immense ego. Never ever. My first game of Mafia. I was town WBG was town. WBG complimented my play and told me that my analysis was good. + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2011 07:40 layabout wrote: my best scum read: Steveling: Town with frequent Scum-like behaviour that or Scum that slipped on a banana peel and bashed his head? hard. You decide! On November 27 2011 22:18 Steveling wrote: My first post in my first mafia game guys. I find the Palmar-Annul debate about double lynching suspicious. For one, I am not convinced why DL(double lynching from now on) is a must or else town is at a disadvantage. For all we know these two could operating together. I feel like we are pushing too fast. Mind that I'm a complete newb so my insticts can be totally off. Can you explain why you are rooting for DL so hard? highlights that he is new. finds a debate suspicious because...he isn't sure about double lynching, he may have actual thoughts about it but there are important him not being unsure is the thing that the thread needs to know. "They could be operating together"... guys remember when you consider possibilities the least likely one is the only one that should be noted! steveling has the right idea. Highlights that he is new again because if you don't offer your opinion and someone disagrees with it then then need to be aware of how long you have been playing mafia. "layabout you are being unfair he said he "feels like we are pushing too fast"" so how is that helpful "well....". On November 28 2011 14:24 Steveling wrote: Can we note that Cheese on his first ever post on this thread attacked me? I'm a newbie and obv a towny but I made scum predictions for Palmer. All my other posts were completely neutral. Thus he is simply trying to protect Palmer from 2nd day lynch by framing me. Too tired to look for clues, will post after 8 hours. saying I'm a newbie when you defend yourself is nearly equivalent to saying you can't have a legimate reason to attack me im not scum with a agenda but im simply a bad new player making mistakes QQ... when refering to oneself and calling oneself a town or indeed an "obv town" the act itself is wiithout value. NO PLAYER HAS ANY REASON TO EXPLICITY STATE THAT THEY ARE TOWN the exception being in situations in which you are claiming your specific role i pointed this out earlier but the short of it is that nobody claim mafia-->everybody is assumed to claim town--> if everyone will claim town then instead nobody should claim town a very few do (cept maybe but kenpachi but he is .... kenpachi). You then say that all your posts were completely neutral. Your post as an "obv towny" should be pro-town and you should (generally) not hold back. i think neutral posting and having a red role may be correlated you then state that cyber cheese is trying to protect Palmer from a second day lynch which is something that you CANNOT possibly KNOW, and then that the way he is doing something that you cannot possibly know he is doing is through framing you.This is a wild and claim without basis. Too tired to look for clues* but not too tired to type that you are too tired; and omit evidence and a chain of logic instead? *he doesn't promise analysis but clue-finding - an activity that is highly manipulable and that by itself has very little value and that can favor mafia when not supported by evidence, which gicen the evidence he is consistently supplying makes the clues he finds + Show Spoiler + even more manipulable On November 29 2011 06:28 Steveling wrote: One of my votes will go to Palmer. He has made the YM slip up and I'm not satisfied with the explaining he gave. He has made the extremely obvious comment '' Medics don't target on Ace '' He is now suddenly switching targets accusing prphlz. He realizes his time is nigh and he doesn't have enough sway against Ace so he needs an easier to frame scapegoat. My other vote will probably go to xtfftc. Most damning evidence on his profile. I have news for you mate, a police bat is also a club. Nope this is fine. Based on the sample of all of the mafia games i have played i can agree that no town has ever had reason to suddenly change their vote. A fantastic conclusion. Well spotted. though i do wonder what makes his change of target "sudden". On November 29 2011 06:56 Steveling wrote: On November 29 2011 06:28 Steveling wrote: I have news for you mate, a police bat is also a club. It might be a club, but it is not a wooden bat, matey. Seriously? he then concludes that behavioural analysis was not for him* and that the best way to scumhunt is to follow 1 round of clues and has a debate about whether a police baton=wooden bat he cherrypicks a google image search and finds an image. He then ignores captain dictionary AKA xtfftc and decides that he has a jolly good case and votes for him and palmar *disclaimer ficticious conclusion made to mock him may or may not be more valid that the actual derping going on inside his head On November 29 2011 08:58 Steveling wrote: ##vote Palmer ##vote xtfftc On November 29 2011 10:11 Steveling wrote: Someone asked for views on Erandorr. Here's what got my attention On November 26 2011 02:04 Erandorr wrote: I will be voting for Palmar. He pushed a very solid campaign from the start and put a lot of effort in it. The effort part is actually important when trying to figure out his alignment. He kept activity high, engaged the new players in the conversation and discussed basicly every topic that got brought up. Thats more pro town than I have ever seen him play. So, Palmar, a veteran and a good player(as people are saying) that himself has said he's better at town play than scum ( too tired to filter him to privide quote but I will do it if asked) is playing his most pro town play. Why would he make such a big mistake on YM then? infers that ym=town mean that palmer=scum. or he is just asking questions and not helping. On November 28 2011 10:50 Steveling wrote: On November 28 2011 10:41 Palmar wrote: @medics, protect Ace. If he's scum he will reveal it soon enough. If he's town, he's our best player. That's as clear a scum tell as it gets for me. Couln't be any more clear cut tbh. there you have it. "to be honest that is the most clear cut scum tell possible." no explanation whatsoever. but i will concede it is highly convincing. (what is the scum tell!??) On November 28 2011 03:32 Steveling wrote: Less drama more actual discussion yes? good point. On November 28 2011 04:42 Steveling wrote: I didn't, I was subbed really late and I didn't know there's a vote yet. excuse On November 30 2011 02:19 Steveling wrote: On November 30 2011 02:18 vaderseven wrote: On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote: Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck. We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake. How would him flipping town tell us anything about other players. That has no logic behind it at all. If he flips town we get to filter those who targeted him. some bad formatting this refer to the italics inside the quote. Steveling complains about having to read the thread. In an 80 person game of mafia! He pushes for a modkill on Annul a player he has not addressed until this point!(so he is what a null read with a higher chance of being town than mafia unless steveling's others reads identify a greater proportion of town than mafia) but maybe steveling has a reason to suspect he is mafia. he doesn't. apparently if he is town and he gets modkilled we can then filter players that targeted him! so you dont care if he is mafia.you also down't care that 2 lynches will happen today and that mafia have at least 8 kp and that all players to be mod-killed thus-far have proved to be town There will be lots more deaths and lots more information. You want to lynch because if we hit a townie then we will gain information to analyse. Specifically we can look at the filters of players who openly called the townie suspicious. You realise that calling him scummy and him getting mod-killed and flipping town wouldn't help us at all, right? And you haven't realised that we can filter those players anyway. but thanks for directing me to your filter, i didn't have a strong scum read until now.it is scummy to want to kill players for information you kill players because they are mafia* there are almost no worse reasons to lynch than "to gain information".he is also experienced and possibly an asset to town *or serejai best reason i could find on palmar On November 29 2011 06:39 Steveling wrote: Ok triple post. The ''All medics target Ace'' is extremely obvious as well for different reasons. I'm sure mafia would very much like it the town medics would protect only one player so they would get free reign on everyone else. correct me if another post sum it up better but this is the most concrete thing i could find about palmer being scum. directing blue roles has been discussed to death and 1 inference about one possible result and the intention to get that result is not evidence that a player is scum On November 29 2011 15:14 Steveling wrote: Just remember guys that we don't need to martyr Ace. He was a towny but he might very well be off about his predictions. i totally agree with this, he actually acknowledges the existence of uncertainty. On November 30 2011 03:59 Steveling wrote: Layabout's filter is a big pile of non contributing posts. Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar. He now does the same thing standing up for WBG. WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well. We are in for a great night gents. huge unsubstantiated generalisation about my filter. does not back up. criticising my posting at great length at 2 points in the game. heavily implies that jackal being town makes me scum for a "dispute over palmar" i would not decribe it as such even if it were it would not have a bearing on alignment. Criticising a poor argument is apparently standing up for WBG though he provides no source. He then implies that WBG is scum for having a "history" of defending palmar. Steveling is calling 3 players scum and has made very little effort to say why? i may be infering to much here but the inferences i make here are the ones i felt made the most sense in context. I shouldn't have to make so many inferences when a townie is presenting a case for players being mafia. On November 30 2011 04:27 Steveling wrote: Zephirdd is another guy just like Cheese with less than 5 posts coming out and saying things without backing them up. Scum buddies much? calls zephhirdd and cheese scumbuddies for a reason that i just cannot comprehend.the point about not backing up the things they say is baffling. would scum play this thoughtlessly? to conclude there are large number of statements and accusations that are't supported. There is very little use of logic in any of his posts. He has done certain things that do not make sense from the perspective of someone who wants town to win. He also makes frequent excuses and acts in a way that suggest he thinks that clues are they best way of contributing. He votes for palmer and xtfftc and i cannot fathom why he would do so as town. He is pushing weak/ non cases and providing little no to explanation. He is my strongest mafia read. he could be a very unhelpful and/or bad town. he is the best scum i have ##Vote steveling this is good analysis. The problem is that the chance of getting steveling lynched today is almost 0. I agree with you on most of your points, particularly that he is fond of using unsubstantiated accusations and generalizations to accuse others of being scum. Other than steveling, are there players who currently have a chance at getting lynched that you would like to see dead? What are your thoughts on BC, prplhz, deconduo, and Hier? + Show Spoiler [Best post in thread] + On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. yeah but he had a reason to call that good I suppose? We're talking about the first 2 pages of our game which were complete bullshit and he tells people that everyone but chaoser are behaving like retards when there was no awesome analysis or whatever. What about the rest? Do you really think wbg would defend me as a townie? Don't you think he would want to watch while I defend myself rather than giving me a defense himself? Do you really think Town-wbg would make posts that make him look modest? Why should he? | ||
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On February 28 2012 06:46 layabout wrote: I will answer the 1 non-loaded question Yes, i think he would. But If and ONLY if he felt that you were town. In previous games such as Tl mafia 47 WBG vehemently defended Palmar from the lynch because he believed that he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12436802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12440229 + Show Spoiler [Fun Fact] + If you ctrl F his filter you will see that "Palmar" comes up 537 times But Toadesstern, your play this game is in no way town-like. You have made multiple posts that look like scum-slips and much of what you recently written appears forced. What you posted doesn't matter. You said he defended palmar from being lynched because he thought he was town. I'm not saying something about that. Of course he would do that as a townie. The question was more like: Do you really think he would defend me like that without a reason? I had not a single vote on me on d1. Except for Jackal noone said I look like a mafia and he was obviously fishing for reactions. Again, why should he defend me like that? That's nothing like wbg. How is my play in no way town-like? I already explained this a couple of times. I really pay attention to what I'm posting when I'm mafia, so it's either I'm doing those "scumslips" in there on purpose or it's me not paying attention because I interpret it the way I am thinking because I don't even think of other possibly explanations. Look at my mafia game as mafia in TL Mafia XLVIII and tell me what you think. I was the guy who was considered to be the most likely be town in that game. Here's what rad said about my game in another thread: On February 24 2012 13:20 Radfield wrote: No, that's not why you were in group 2. I just needed more padding for group 2: risk.nuke because the previous game i played with him he was hyper-aggressive which often makes people suspicious, and Toad because your scum play is very 'pro-town' oriented which means that even if you are posting pro-town it's easy to be suspicious of you. This is nothing like my mafia game and I already mentioned it it's pretty easy to figure me out: If there's noone willing to vote me you need to lynch me because I'm mafia. If there's a bunch of random morons argueing about what I possibly meant with that one phrase, who are willing to vote me for saying something that never was intended to be interpreted that way I am townie because I'm to lazy to check what I typed. Of course you could argue that I might be a mafia who does those "scumslips" (which really are not scumslips because you're misunderstanding what I wrote) but just ask yourself if that's likely to be the case. Look at the PYP irc mafia. Everyone was able to vote what the mafia power is going to be and mafia-only was allowed to vote what the town power is going to be. I voted mafia to get a godfather and turned out to be a town-vig. 2 secs after the game started we did a massclaim and I claimed vig because people where referring to massclaim the roles and in reality it was "massclaim what you voted" and I was supposed to claim that I voted mafia to have a godfather. I got lynched withing 5 secs because it looked like a scumslip / mafia who voted for town to have vigis. Yes, that kind of shit happens to me when I'm town. No, that kind of shits never happens when I'm mafia because I'm actually rereading before clicking "post". | ||
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On February 28 2012 07:09 Jitsu wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @Jitsu stop spouting nonsense, syllo was 100% the only person who was playing with any sense. By talking about other hits you're just begging to speculate about scum goals. Which, unless you are scum this game, you have zero ideas about. On February 28 2012 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think Dirkzor/Toadesstern are mafia BC's town hasn't been impressive this game at all. Yes he is (according to everyone else here) a semi-god who plays a sick mafia but his townplay so far has not impressed me at all. Neither did it in L. Not saying it's bad, just not what I expected after everyone yelling "omfg BC top 3 players on TL" (or whatever). Assumption that BC is town. This either means that he knows BC's alignment is town (meaning scum or DT) or that they are both scum and Toades is afraid to say anything suspicious of BC. Dunno. I've actually seen RoL play this badly as town before. I think he ragequit Salem after someone accused him of being scum. It made him so angry that he flamed the shit out of the guy (idr who it was) then roleclaimed and left the game. 100% agree with you, on Toad, that is a massive scumslip. Toad already "knows" BC is town wtf. He'd be a great alternative to a RoL lynch. Dirkzor, however, I have no read on. I don't really know what his meta is and I don't see anything particularly of note in his filter. Can't say much there. @Kita: you've been awful quiet all game. Care to explain what you think right now? @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. @VE: You're going on a posting spree because you were inactive for 48 hours, not because you actually want to find scum. The fact that you consider me scum after having played on the same team as me in BC's game is indicative of you having malicious goals. You're not town this game and you need to die as well. TL;DR: kill Toad, RoL, VE. If we ensure that the votes stay between these 3 players I'm confident we will hit only scum today. ##vote Toadesstern I know it's nonsense, but it was all things running through my head, and I wanted to have the ability to bounce my ideas off of others, or at least share them. You said you have a no read on Dirkzor. Is it because there isn't anything that you can point at in particular that you think is null? I still have him as scum. My post about him in the beginning, coupled with things like this: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote: I'll do a short Q&A for you guys. Q: Is DrH's filter long? A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting. Q: Have DrH called anyone scum? A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have. Q: How many have he called scum? A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful. Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players? A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE. Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people. A: No. Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang? A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so. Q: Is he scum himself then? A: What a observant questioneer. He might. make him think he's scum. Like, he comes up with this Q&A about DocH. Then, after setting up the entire thing, falls and says he may be red? @Toad, You're entire case looks like it's built on the fact that WBG is being too nice this game. Did you suddenly forget that WBG drove on person out of the game, and got a warning? Maybe I am missing the point of you're post, but regardless, it doesn't look like he's being THAT modest. No it's about trying to impersonate that style and it's clearly not hard to be a dick. But from time to time his mafia meta shines trough. Again, I had 0 votes d1, 0 people attacking me. Why should he defend me? Why should he buddy me / Chaoser ? That's not his usual style. It's like sometimes he's the guy he usually is as town, sometimes he's overdoing it (you already mentioned the warning) and sometimes he's nothing like his town-Meta and that's strange. However, I'd also be willing to lynch RoL. We had several times a bunch of people on RoL (syllo, myself and a third guy, idk by heart who the third guy was yesterday) but other than that noone was voting him. That's strange as well because basicly every vet in this game was calling him out and saying he's mafia, still people went for the "noob" who was posting nonsense although we had a bunch of people saying that BH could very well end up being a confused / noob townie. I'd say RoL and WBG are both mafia, wbg tries to get the next townie hanging (see his posts about RedFF [ok we dont't know his alignment], about BH and now about me) to protect RoL with a counterwagon instead of activly defending RoL. In fact he says he wants to lynch RoL himself. He knows that there's no possibility to defend him other than a counterwagon and needs to list a couple of people. Those people are VE, RoL and myself. Clearly WBG is not stupid enough to make a list that is 3/3 townies so I'd say it looks bad for RoL as well. | ||
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On February 28 2012 07:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: meta defense = worthless well because there's nothing in my case other than "OLOLO Scumslip" when I clearly was talking about something else. | ||
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On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf k | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 28 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On February 28 2012 08:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Let me get this straight VE. In order to be town you must be the first person to ever make a case on someone? I don't recall you doing much of that if WBG was scum looking to kill RedFF (and had prior knowledge of the noflip) why would he pussyfoot around it when his scum meta is super confident?? [/QUOTE] Toades publically announced his reluctance to vote for BH based on nothing except for how town might view the vote. Nobody at the time was very concerned with Toadesstern and if BH flipped town I would have immediately rechecked BC and Dirkzor but not Toadesstern. The fact that he was so concerned with how town viewed him and also the fact that he was trivial in the BH lynch/case but yet saw himself as important enough to warrant a town reaction is the kind of implicit guilt and fear that mafia reek of. If you are town and you really suspect WBG is scum keep pressuring him and I'll see what happens, but for now Toades is the best lynch. RoL is uninterested in the game and should just be shot at night, I'd rather not waste a lynch on someone who isn't pressured by it and is too immature to play a game in which some people are suspicious of him[/QUOTE] wat? That's not why I unvoted him and you know better, at least I hope so oO Yeah shooting RoL would be a nice idea. I already asked why noone shot him yesterday and think we either got no vigs or the guy got mafia protected because he was the target-to-hit last night. So no I'm not really convinced telling people to "just shoot RoL" is going to solve our problems. | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:26 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 08:14 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 28 2012 08:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Let me get this straight VE. In order to be town you must be the first person to ever make a case on someone? I don't recall you doing much of that if WBG was scum looking to kill RedFF (and had prior knowledge of the noflip) why would he pussyfoot around it when his scum meta is super confident?? Toades publically announced his reluctance to vote for BH based on nothing except for how town might view the vote. Nobody at the time was very concerned with Toadesstern and if BH flipped town I would have immediately rechecked BC and Dirkzor but not Toadesstern. The fact that he was so concerned with how town viewed him and also the fact that he was trivial in the BH lynch/case but yet saw himself as important enough to warrant a town reaction is the kind of implicit guilt and fear that mafia reek of. If you are town and you really suspect WBG is scum keep pressuring him and I'll see what happens, but for now Toades is the best lynch. RoL is uninterested in the game and should just be shot at night, I'd rather not waste a lynch on someone who isn't pressured by it and is too immature to play a game in which some people are suspicious of him wat? That's not why I unvoted him and you know better, at least I hope so oO Yeah shooting RoL would be a nice idea. I already asked why noone shot him yesterday and think we either got no vigs or the guy got mafia protected because he was the target-to-hit last night. So no I'm not really convinced telling people to "just shoot RoL" is going to solve our problems. EBWOP | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. that was an old anecdote, not the reason I unvoted BH. Quite frankly you got the answer within your quote. I ALREADY said that I thought BH could very well end up flipping townie before I did that post. If I hadn't the post you quoted would not refere to anything and people would have quoted that and asked "wait toad, you thinik BH is not 100% mafia? You never said that before oO". | ||
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On February 28 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote: ##Vote wherebugsgo Funny thing is, I don't even need to make a case. Burden of proof and all that shit. were have you been? didn't you say you're going to contribute the next few days? | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves. ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves. ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. why not prpl-I only have one vote why not RoL-I only have one vote, and VE is more likely to be scum because the case extends beyond simple meta. In fact as of now we may actually be wrong about RoL and he might just be bored inactive town. Why kill someone who's done almost nothing alignment indicative as opposed to someone who is contradicting himself in logic and flailing around in thread? If VE flips scum we should certainly look at both prpl and RoL. If I'm wrong about you (which certainly seems possible now that prpl's shown his ugly face) then there's also some 4th scum out there. I've been asking myself, why did risk.nuke get replaced, in a game with no replacements? We haven't been able to lynch him either, and that's made me wonder for a while. How does prpl showing up have anything to do with my alignment? | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves. ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. why not prpl-I only have one vote why not RoL-I only have one vote, and VE is more likely to be scum because the case extends beyond simple meta. In fact as of now we may actually be wrong about RoL and he might just be bored inactive town. Why kill someone who's done almost nothing alignment indicative as opposed to someone who is contradicting himself in logic and flailing around in thread? If VE flips scum we should certainly look at both prpl and RoL. If I'm wrong about you (which certainly seems possible now that prpl's shown his ugly face) then there's also some 4th scum out there. I've been asking myself, why did risk.nuke get replaced, in a game with no replacements? We haven't been able to lynch him either, and that's made me wonder for a while. How does prpl showing up have anything to do with my alignment? uhuh, wait don't answer that one! I found the answer myself: On February 28 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: Here are my scum power rankings! (anything past 5 may be completely arbitrary) + Show Spoiler [unimportant right now] + 1.) prplhz: On February 23 2012 03:38 prplhz wrote: What the fuck are you talking about. I complained about the redFF lynch and pushed the BloodyC0bbler lynch. On February 24 2012 13:02 prplhz wrote: I pushed BloodyC0bbler around the time I said that so it's not true when you say that I didn't provide an alternative. On day one, prpl hard defends redff from the lynch, without providing an alternate candidate. He claims to have pushed the BC lynch. Lets take a closer look: On February 23 2012 03:17 prplhz wrote: I think BloodyC0bbler is more scummy, but I think there might be better targets today that I'm more comfortable with. This is like Responsibility Mafia! where BloodyC0bbler was just gone, but he has been scummy so far. On February 23 2012 03:49 prplhz wrote: Since we have dropped the BloodyC0bbler lynch I think that Blazinghand is a good lynch for town, especially if I'm the alternative. On February 23 2012 03:54 prplhz wrote: If BloodyC0bbler is a possiblity then I'm more up for that than anything else. I'm a little unsure of him but he's a ton better than lynching me. On February 23 2012 03:56 prplhz wrote: Like, I think BloodyC0bbler is scummy but I'm always kinda unsure about my reads (because, allegedly, I'm bad). On February 23 2012 05:24 prplhz wrote: I really doubt that BloodyC0bbler is going to attract enough votes don't you think there are other alternatives that are more likely to flip scum than redFF and more likely to pick up enough votes than BloodyC0bbler? Is this honestly what prpl considers pushing? A bunch of wishy-washy statements without providing any actual reasoning? He constantly brings up how bad he is as if he is trying to downplay his abilities. Now lets move on to day two: He starts off by voting RoL. Towards the end of the day he changes to blazing. His reasoning: On February 25 2012 18:20 prplhz wrote: Going to vote Blazinghand. I don't see any reason to believe his claim. ##Vote: Blazinghand The entire game, the strongest reason prpl has believed someone to be scum is because of a Floridian claim. Not once does he even reference his actual posts or behavior. Looking back to day one, prpl was willing to defend red because the claim made sense to him. The next day, a similar claim is provided and he has no reason to believe it. The entire game prpl has responded poorly to pressure and would be a fine lynch candidate. 2.) RebirthOfLeGenD: You can't get frustrated at peoples concerns if they are legitimate points. You've spent more time defending yourself than contributing. You say you're busy. I can understand that, but the game started a week ago and we're still waiting. The only legitimate case you've given us was on DrH. Is there a reason you chose to ignore my concerns with the case? 3.) chaoser: Tough to make a case on someone who hasn't posted since part way through day one. 4.) BloodyC0bbler: As far as I can tell, the only reason people think you are town is because the day one lynch was close. Is this the same day one lynch whose results were covered? Your voting patterns so far have been extremely opportunistic. Rather than commit to a certain scum suspect, you've waited for the bandwagon to become strong and then jump on quoting a random post that suddenly changes your mind. Maybe you could point me towards what makes you town? 5.) wherebugsgo: lol you seriously didn't roll mafia yet again did you? First BH claims scum and now this? Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 04:41 wherebugsgo wrote: @RoL: you're fucking lucky Toad scumslipped so hard, or I'd be pushing you like there's no tomorrow. All you do is lurk lurk lurk and then make excuses for your inactivity. That's exactly what you did when we were teammates in Couples Therapy and it's what you did (IIRC) in Purgatory as well. "gosh darnnit, I'd really love to vote for you RoL, but all these townies are just so easy to push" + Show Spoiler [unimportant right now] + 6.) risk.nuke: Moderately less scummy because his name isn't chaoser. His replacement has a lot of work to do to salvage the game. 7.) dirkzor: On February 23 2012 07:05 Dirkzor wrote: Hahahahahahahhahahaha... Fuck that was a hilarious "flip" :D Haha: "lol that's annoying" Hahaha: "lol that's really annoying" Hahahahahahahhahahaha: "I didn't have anything to do with that. I swear." 8.) DrH: He has been reasonable in the main thread and questionable in the voting thread. I was really surprised to read that he actually voted for Blazinghand. Looking through his filter, I'm really having trouble find the reasoning for his switch. Could you please point me in the direction? What happened to RoL? You're dropping him for today as well? Why are you ignoring your reads and pushing whoever happens to be the flavor of the day? I'd put you higher if the slots weren't already taken. 9.) VisceraEyes: I'm not reading through his filter. You can't make me. Lets go with 9th. 10.) Toadesstern: Appears to be putting more effort in than any other player. I'll take him to lylo any day. 11.) Tyrran: I'm having trouble finding a scum player out of the newer players. I liked how his opinion on blazing changed from day one to day two. Needs to be more helpful if we wants town to win however. 12.) layabout: I read through his filter last and 12 was the only spot remaining. Congrats. 13.) Jitsu: Seems to be looking for things with a town mindframe. Not really pushing his reads very hard though. 14.) kitaman27: lol the scum team isn't even bothering to try to make this guy look bad. Did they fail a hit on him or something? | ||
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On February 28 2012 09:24 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 09:13 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 09:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't justify leaving my vote on Toad when prplhz and VE essentially just outted themselves. ##unvote Toadesstern ##vote Visceraeyes why not prplhz instead? Why not RoL instead? We basicly tried to lynch RoL from d2 (or even d1?), he said nothing, basicly claimed mafia recently and we're still not able to lynch him. why not prpl-I only have one vote why not RoL-I only have one vote, and VE is more likely to be scum because the case extends beyond simple meta. In fact as of now we may actually be wrong about RoL and he might just be bored inactive town. Why kill someone who's done almost nothing alignment indicative as opposed to someone who is contradicting himself in logic and flailing around in thread? If VE flips scum we should certainly look at both prpl and RoL. If I'm wrong about you (which certainly seems possible now that prpl's shown his ugly face) then there's also some 4th scum out there. I've been asking myself, why did risk.nuke get replaced, in a game with no replacements? We haven't been able to lynch him either, and that's made me wonder for a while. How does prpl showing up have anything to do with my alignment? bc it is extremely unlikely that all 3 of you are scum, IMO. I guess it's possible that the entire scum team is something like you, prpl, RoL, and VE. In fact I wouldn't be shocked, seeing as I feel like there's no one helping me. However, I think risk.nuke is more likely to be scum based on the replacement and if prpl is scum you can't be. I actually stopped pushing risk because of the replacement. | ||
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Doesn't townie wbg think I am not capable to find mafia? Doesn't townie wbg think VE isn't capable to find mafia? Yet you say VE is 100% mafia because of his bullshit case? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:01 Toadesstern wrote: oh no, that was a comment mafia-wbg made Still think mafia- and townie-wbg think the same in that regard. EBWOP Was referring to my own post | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:01 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 09:56 Toadesstern wrote: let's just assume you're town for a second wbg: Doesn't townie wbg think I am not capable to find mafia? Doesn't townie wbg think VE isn't capable to find mafia? Yet you say VE is 100% mafia because of his bullshit case? his case isn't dumb like his normal wrong cases are. His case is MALICIOUSLY wrong. He's stretching to call me scum and he's not backing off when met with reason. He's fallen victim to his own misuse of logic, yet he continues pushing my lynch; which tells me that it isn't bad townie VE, it's scum VE. Didn't you say the exact same thing about me? I recall you saying I am stretching extremly and being wrong and that as well. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation. The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:54 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation. The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? why shouldn't they? now you've delved into the realm of WIFOM; congratulations, you are now helping waste all of our time more efficiently. Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia? Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 11:01 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:54 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:50 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? no, it doesn't prove anything. It's complete WIFOM because I have no fucking clue what the mafia would do in this situation. The fact that you're insinuating that I could actually find out the answers to those questions makes you look redder. It's funny because if I were in VE's spot as mafia and toades was town I wouldn't vote for Toades at all why not? Why should mafia start a counterwagon and defend me? why shouldn't they? now you've delved into the realm of WIFOM; congratulations, you are now helping waste all of our time more efficiently. Ok, so you think VE is mafia and his masterplan is derping big time instead of going with the ez lynch and because we all see how much towncred got (according to you) from that ingenius move he just it's more likely that he's mafia? Oh crap, you're going after him now, guess his masterplan wasn't that ingenius after all, OR HE'S A FUCKING TOWNIE I see you want to continue wasting time. So you're scum then? How goes the QT? It's not wasting time. Remember AC when noone was asking who got RB'ed the next night? That's what syllo said to me and it was, according to him, one of the most important question to ask. You want to tell me that kind of thing is wifom as well because "hell, for all I know mafia could just chose to note use their RB TO CONFUSE TOWN". No mafia would not do that. What I am talking about is not wifom, just like mafia doing /dance is not a possible explanation to why we had no kills n1. Yet you're not telling me "well that's wifom! Mafia could have willingly chose to not shoot at all to confuse town!" because you know noone would do such a thing. You didn't realize that I had to be mafia according to what you said because I know I can't be mafia and didn't think about it. It's that easy. | ||
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On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't say I'd lynch you for claiming - I'll lynch you regardless. I said TOWN would lynch you for claiming - which as you've pointed out, has a pretty decent track-record. you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that? If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well? | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:28 prplhz wrote: Nah, lets lynch Tyrran. Does anybody have any evidence pointing at Tyrran being town? he's pretty bad and sucked in AC as well. He's a null for me so no I don't want to lynch him. | ||
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On February 28 2012 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 11:30 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 11:20 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 28 2012 11:19 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 28 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: [quote] you need more than one scumbuddy to lynch me. why should mafia VE come in here and push you instead of just joining the Toad-wagon? That's a really important point I made and I'm going to bring it up again: The logical conclusion for a townie in wbg's position would be: Mafia would not try to get another wagon but unless Toad is mafia himself, therefore it's either Toad + VE mafia and VE is trying to rescue him or it's ONLY Toad mafia + a confused townie VE who joined the wrong side. OR both are townies. However, VE being mafia is while I am a townie is the most retarded thing ever. VE could hve easily joined the Toad-wagon and he did not. So now one might ask why isn't wbg asking himself those questions? I'd consider those things pretty important if I were confused about 4 people and can't figure out which of those 4 are mafia. I guess by now you guys already figured out what the funny thing about this all is: Wbg isn't asking these questions because he doesn't need to. He's not asking those questions because they are pointless and lead to absolutely no conclusion whatsoever I'm not surprised you'd concoct a defense of VE based on shaky WIFOM wat? That question PROVES I am mafia if he really thinks the way he does. IT PROVES I AM MAFIA OR NONE OF THE GUYS HE WANTS TO LYNCH IS MAFIA. How is that pointless? He said he can deliver you 3/3 mafia if we lynch into VE / RoL / ME. VE is a confirmed townie for me right now because of what I said (that' not bad either, is it?) so 1 is wrong. I am wrong as well but instead of telling people "well that proves toad is mafia" he goes on to pressure prpl? The fuck? VE voting for you or not is not indicative of your or his alignment no matter what you flip It, in fact, proves absolutely nothing holy shit it's irc mafia all over again: Toad gets shot by mafia 6 times in a row. -> VE: "TOAD COULD BE MAFIA SHOOTING HIMSELF TO LOOK TOWNIE, WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM" you make 0 sense wifom is a nice excuse and it might be a problem when the cases are both viable options but in the case we got here saying VE has to be mafia because he waltzed in the thread, derping like a pro and made himself the target of your wrath is definitely not impossible but how likely is that? If you want to play that way everything is wifom. Me saying I am Toad could be a lie because for all I know I could be fucking Santa Claus (let's use Jackals claim from last game ❤ ) and therefore every single meta argument you make about me is invalid because I'm not toad but isntead Santa Claus. You're telling me that's a possibility as well? there's two possibilities here 1. you don't understand what WIFOM is 2. you don't have an interest in having a productive discussion. You can argue this all you want; your opinion is not tenable because you make assumptions without any evidence suggesting that your assumptions are better than any others. For that reason, you're inclined to believe your own opinion over those of others. Since both myself and Dr. H have already conclusively shown you how you are wrong, you either are refusing to accept that fact or do not understand what we are saying. It's no wonder we both want to kill you. I know what wifom is, nevertheless assuming I am mafia would be the BY FAR most reasonable explanation. You did not see that and didn't even think about it. After all it's still to some degree a game of robabilities. Would you say "A looks good, he was the first to point out X, Y and Z could be mafia and A heavily pushed them" is wifom as well because it could be possible that A bussed 3 of his mafia members to get towncred and win the game himself? Of course you would not because it's a possibility there's no reason to assume that kind of bullshit unless you got a PRETTY good reason to assume that kind of stuff. Assuming VE is a mafia trying to build a counterwagon while getting himself killed (if it were up to you) is just so incredible unlikely. | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote: They're actually totally right Toad - the fact that I'm not voting for you is NOT indicative of my alignment. While I agree that if I were scum, I'd have taken the gift of a town-Toad mislynch lain before me in the case of town-DocH and town-WBG, the fact of the matter is that I think WBG is scum and I think you're town being setup for easy mislynch. it's not you're alignment I'm intrested in, it's mine. It's either you are Mafia + I am mafia OR you are Town + I am mafia for wbg. Yeah calling you confirmed is a little too much but I'd still say it's unlikely you would do that as mafia. Why should he push for someone else if in both of the possible cases I am mafia? Well there is a third case, we're both Town, but that would mean that 2/3 of his "if we lynch into those 3 people we're 100% going to get mafia hanged" list would be wrong. Of course that one sounds pretty reasonable for me because I know I am town and I am pretty sure you are now as well but with WBG's assumption there is literally no reason to think that. That's the big point. You could be a mafia protecting me or you're a confused townie but you sure are no mafia derping yourself to save a townie => I have to be mafia according to what wbg said. | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why are you assuming he's pushing WBG to "save" you? You're sooooooooooo implicitly guilty ok let's explain this once again: What would be another explanation? Again, the case we're talking about is: I am mafia, VE is mafia, You are town, WBG is town and 3 or so people are pushing me because I did a scumslip according to you. Why should VE push wbg instead in that scenario? Of course that's what VE is doing if you believe that I am mafia, VE is mafia and you two are town. | ||
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He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"? | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He didn't act like this at all in AC I don't recall him ever talking about WIFOM shit or trying to figure out how people would act based on alignment. Palmar claimed Toades' role and acted bonkers and Toades did nothing about it. Right now he's obsessed with totally inconclusive meta/wifom shit and is acting like a paranoid scum who can't stand the 1 vote on him. He's acting like the whole town is bandwagoning on him right now and instead he's defending VE and not pushing anyone as scum? What the fuck is this, lynch Toadesstern I mean, I would be down with a Toadesstern lynch, but I've played scum with Toad before. Toad has more confidence when scum start winning the game - he wouldn't be acting paranoid like this if he were on a winning scum-team. I refuse to believe it. In XLVII he fake-claimed medic and got "confirmed" as town, and he certainly acted the part. I don't see the same kind of play this game. Actually, now that you mention AC, I got this EXACT feeling from Toadesstern regarding the whole Palmar-rgShwortz-Toadesstern WIFOM Circle of Confusion. He was town in AC. So I mean, if you think he's a better lynch than WBG or myself, go for it - I'll be on WBG though, and I'm pretty sure WBG will be on me and we'll just have to deal with this tomorrow assuming we're both still alive. do you still remember me in irc asking about claiming mafia? ❤ Maybe my "scumslips" are me being overconfident claiming mafia as mafia again because I think I'm immortal :p | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why would a scum VE push you if you're also scum? Why would a scum VE abandon the case he established on Day 2 and push you instead, if you're town? You're assuming that EVERY scum in the game MUST bandwagon you if you're town, why the fuck are you so special? Yes, it's an easy bandwagon. That doesn't lead us to a single thing except worthless speculation. I'm not assuming WBG is town either btw You've done a good job of diverting the conversation into something totally useless. Unless anyone else in the game is dumb enough to think you're making a point I'm going to ignore this line of conversation now. Have any interest in establishing why YOU are innocent or why we should lynch someone other than you or VE and who that is? Your whole play right not will accomplish nothing except maybe: 1. Setting yourself up to get bussed and then buddies push a town-VE lynch Day 3 2. Preventing VE from getting lynched. By the way, VE never "defended" you literally all he did was make a case on somebody other than you. 3. Creates useless confusing conversation in town, distracts from lurkers etc. Hey, by Toades' logic, all you have to do to be 100% proven confirmed town is to push a lynch OTHER than Toadesstern. This proves you are townie, so everyone go ahead and confirm themselves so we can find all the scum! On February 28 2012 12:26 Toadesstern wrote: Again it's not about VE's alignment. In every single Explanation wbg could come up with I am mafia and VE is either mafia or Town. He knows that as townie and proceeds saying "well I'm no longer sure about you Toad, could be you're town"? I think VE is town, that's not the point. WBG has to think I am mafia if he really thinks I am town. He does not realize that fact because he's not thinking about it. Stop talking about VE's alignment. That's another neat point I figured out given I know my own alignment and it is to some degree wifom but it's not what I'm talking about. | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: "WBG has to think I am mafia if he really thinks I am town." what the fuck are you talking about i have no idea when wbg even entered the equation because a few pages ago you were saying VE is confirmed by not voting for you sry my bad "WBG has to think I am mafia if he really is town" | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why would he "think" you are mafia if he is mafia what the fuck even is your point you make no sense ... If he really is a townie there's a couple of explanations for what's happening right now and why I am pushing him, why VE is pushing him and all this stuff. Every single explanation I can think of includes me as a mafia and VE either being mafia or Town. His conclusion should be "Well VE either is Mafia or Town but Toad has to be mafia". Of course there's a last possible explanation but that would mean that both VE and I am town which he is not willing to believe, therefore he should be pushing me like a mad man. He is not. It's either 1) I am mafia + VE is mafia, 2) I am mafia + VE is town, 3) I am town + VE is town. I am town + VE is mafia is downright ridiculous. wbg ignores the 3rd one because his 3/3 one list is 100% certain right according to him. Now look at explanation 1 and 2 and tell me who you'd lynch. | ||
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On February 28 2012 12:52 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 12:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why would he "think" you are mafia if he is mafia what the fuck even is your point you make no sense ... If he really is a townie there's a couple of explanations for what's happening right now and why I am pushing him, why VE is pushing him and all this stuff. Every single explanation I can think of includes me as a mafia and VE either being mafia or Town. His conclusion should be "Well VE either is Mafia or Town but Toad has to be mafia". Of course there's a last possible explanation but that would mean that both VE and I am town which he is not willing to believe, therefore he should be pushing me like a mad man. He is not. It's either 1) I am mafia + VE is mafia, 2) I am mafia + VE is town, 3) I am town + VE is town. I am town + VE is mafia is downright ridiculous. wbg ignores the 3rd one because his 3/3 one list is 100% certain right according to him. Now look at explanation 1 and 2 and tell me who you'd lynch. just to get this clear. That's what a townie should think. He doesn't think that way, therefore I think he is no townie. | ||
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On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous. He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too. Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. so you didn't understand it after all And I never based my vote on how it will affect peoples perception of me. You're making that up and I already responded to that one. The post you're quoted had nothing to do with my vote but was a mere sidecomment. I unvoted BH a lot earlier because I thought he's could be confused townie or a mafia who does that on purpose. I revoted BH later again because I thought it's still a coinflip and to get rid of someone who would have been an issue the next day. Not to begin with the fact that noone was in here d2 and a switch was not possible because 1) noone was here 2) I was one of the fewer people saying BH could be a townie. | ||
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On February 28 2012 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 14:41 Toadesstern wrote: On February 28 2012 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't you find it suspicious that he's basing his votes based on how it will affect peoples perceptions of his guilt and not who he thinks is scum? I've yet to see a bigger scumtell in this game then that post and the fact that he's using his time as a lynch candidate to defend VE instead is ridiculous. He's defending VE further by claiming WBG is scum because WBG doesn't believe that both Toades and VE are town or something retarded like that. His play is so so so far away from what he was like in AC that I can't imagine he is town here too. Prplhz is a player I have a hard time reading because when he goes on to make complicated posts I think a lot of meaning is lost in translation. Regardless, he's been on the opposite side of pretty much every conclusion I've come to. Toades is #1 for me today, I have a small amount of doubt considering VE, none of which I have with Toad. so you didn't understand it after all And I never based my vote on how it will affect peoples perception of me. You're making that up and I already responded to that one. The post you're quoted had nothing to do with my vote but was a mere sidecomment. I unvoted BH a lot earlier because I thought he's could be confused townie or a mafia who does that on purpose. I revoted BH later again because I thought it's still a coinflip and to get rid of someone who would have been an issue the next day. Not to begin with the fact that noone was in here d2 and a switch was not possible because 1) noone was here 2) I was one of the fewer people saying BH could be a townie. You explicitly stated you were reluctant to vote for BH because no matter what he flipped people will somehow think you're scum paranoid scum behavior I said the 2nd part of your phrase because it happened to me 2 games ago. I never said that I'm reluctant to vote BH because of that. I even said I'm going to think about the whole BH situation and decide if I'm going to vote for him again and I did vote for him. | ||
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On February 28 2012 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: after i immediately torn into you for what you said what strikes me as so odd is you were so sure about you getting lynched, but no one had really pushed a lynch on you yet. no one has been bandwagoning you and even today im the only person voting for you but you talk like you have half the town voting for you no, not after you you said that. It was within the same post. Well yeah because according to you guys I scumslipped. That someone people get lynched for rather fast if people believe it really is a scumslip, so yeah I got like 3 people attacking me withint 20 or so minutes (you, Tyrran and wbg?) because of that "scumslip" and you+wbg said we need to lynch me because of that "scumslip". What's the reason you think I'm posting like I've got half the town voting me? | ||
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On February 28 2012 15:23 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2012 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: after i immediately torn into you for what you said what strikes me as so odd is you were so sure about you getting lynched, but no one had really pushed a lynch on you yet. no one has been bandwagoning you and even today im the only person voting for you but you talk like you have half the town voting for you no, not after you you said that. It was within the same post. Well yeah because according to you guys I scumslipped. That's something people get lynched for rather fast if people believe it really is a scumslip, so yeah I got like 3 people attacking me within 20 or so minutes (you, Tyrran and wbg?) because of that "scumslip" and you+wbg said we need to lynch me because of that "scumslip". What's the reason you think I'm posting like I've got half the town voting me? EBWOP | ||
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On February 29 2012 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: RoL is a bad day 3 lynch because: 1. Not a single person has defended him 2. He isn't posting, the lynch will happen with no pressure and we basically wasted a days discussion 3. I'm the only person who has pointed out what is scummy about his actions anyway and not just complained that he's inactive or a dick Yes we should lynch RoL, but not today well he never got lynched so maybe we had a bunch of counterwagons? Like BH and myself? | ||
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On February 29 2012 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 03:39 Toadesstern wrote: On February 29 2012 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: RoL is a bad day 3 lynch because: 1. Not a single person has defended him 2. He isn't posting, the lynch will happen with no pressure and we basically wasted a days discussion 3. I'm the only person who has pointed out what is scummy about his actions anyway and not just complained that he's inactive or a dick Yes we should lynch RoL, but not today well he never got lynched so maybe we had a bunch of counterwagons? Like BH and myself? You have 1 vote yeah nevertheless people were talking about me for the last 24hours because of that. But your "he never had people defending him" is actually something that is making him look even more scummy. How is a mafia supposed to defend that guy? He hasn't even posted, the only thing they can do is either bus him (assuming RoL is red) OR try to get the focus on someone else while saying RoL is a super nice and dandy lynch but X, Y and Z ARE MUCH BETTER all the time. You can't just defend someone who hasn't posted as mafia telling people "look he's so super pro town" when there's actually nothing in his filter | ||
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On February 29 2012 03:55 Tyrran wrote: OKay, back from work. I dont understand people trying to devert the RoL pressure on me. There is no reason lynching me over RoL. I've been apparently useless, and RoL was diverting town from scum hunting. So i'm a better lynch? ONly if you are scum ( hi prplhz and VE). @DocH : I understand your point about RoL, but you seems to think that he is scum. Why shouldnt we keep a scum alive and risk lynching a townie ? ( although I could go with a VE/Toad/prplhz lynch too, but i'm more confident on RoL for now). @Kurumi : You say there is no new evidence. He was the second focus of the lynch yesterday, but no one that seems scummy voted for him. The player who pushed the most for his lynch was murdered by scum, and flipped blue. While scum could be playing with us, it seem clear to me that they saw a danger in Syllo, who was pushing for RoL. I understand there are still more active player that are scum, but i dont really see why we should keep RoL alive. didn't you say I'm your mayor scumread all the time? I recall you voting me yesterday as well or at least "threatening" to do so oO | ||
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On February 29 2012 04:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yes I care about who gets lynched you fucking idiot I want it to be Toadesstern or Dirkzor that's such an empty worthless criticism you still don't have anything about my case other than "the guy behaves like half the town is voting him" and yeah I wanted to clear out that "scumslip" misinterpretation as soon as possible because that's stuff that can produce mislynches. Other than that you've got nothing on me. Even if it were the case I don't post like that as mafia according to VE. Somthing else that makes you want to lynch me? | ||
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I disagree with Kurumi when he said we should lynch lurkers to our vigs because that clearly hasn't worked the last 2 days... | ||
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And everyone keeps saying Jackal would be a bad hit for mafia but I can hardly find better targets than syllo & Jackal. Maybe kita but other than that our vets did a great job doing nothing, making it hard to judge them. No Vig claim = I believe mafia has 2 KP And why the heck should a town vig shoot Jackal? I shot 3 townies last game but shooting jackal this time? best case he was looking town, worst case he was looking like a null and we had people like prpl, RoL, risk.nuke running around and you guys think a townie would shoot Jackal ?!?! | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:18 wherebugsgo wrote: Nvm. So IMO since no townie would hit syllo, assuming this claim is true, it's reasonable to believe mafia have 2 KP. If you're a townie and you shot syllo, you seriously need to reconsider your play. Now the question arises of where did that 1 KP on n1 go but that isn't relevant to finding scum ATM. Let's kill prplhz. You think hiding redFF's lynch takes 1 KP? | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:35 wherebugsgo wrote: Syllo had KP. He's dead. I dunno if there's adequate reason to assume that anyone else is a vig. Especially given that everyone wants RoL dead and he's still alive, duh. | ||
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On February 29 2012 05:46 Dirkzor wrote: Which lynch would provide the most information? And no this is not a trick question. If player X flipped scum how many other would you be able to see as scum? it's d3. We don't lynch for information, we lynch to get mafia hanging... | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol one of the mods told me on skype I had to vote or get modkilled a bit ago, so I whipped out my laptop in class. you know what the funny part about this is? No one cares | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. Who did you even push? Dr. H? Why the fuck would anyone listen to someone who clearly has no interest in the outcome of the lynch? I don't recall anyone accusing you of OMGUS, now you're just making shit up. Zero intention of listening to you? What the fuck was there to listen to in the first place? Learn to read, at least 3 players accused me of omgus. so what... half the thread is calling the other thread retarded. Be happy it's only omgus | ||
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On February 29 2012 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:51 Kurumi wrote: On February 29 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Kurumi, there are no activity requirements - in order for RoL to have been violating any rules, he would have had to be in danger of being modkilled for activity, which is NOT something that occurred. Stop freaking out about it please. Sorry, I couldn't hear You, I was busy pretending to be afk and then working around rules in a malicious way. While the rules state that voting is mandatory, they also state very clearly that there are no activity requirements. If you want to kill RoL for this, that's fine dude - but don't expect a lightning bolt when it's very clearly stated in the rules that there are no activity requirements. He wasn't in danger of being modkilled, so he wasn't in violation of any rules regarding using his death as a bargaining chip. I don't know what the big deal is - if you feel like he needs to die, then we kill him tomorrow or someone takes care of him tonight maybe. well he said he wasn't playing anymore implying he wasn't going to vote. Actually he confirmed that implied thing with one of his most recent posts because he had no interest in voting. So technically yes, he was in risk to be modkilled because he never planned on voting. | ||
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Anyways I doubt palmar wants us to discuss this here so I'd say pm him instead perhaps? | ||
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On February 29 2012 06:22 kitaman27 wrote: dunno about bugs, but I just got out of class. I'm interested to see if RoL is going to show up to save himself from modkill. If him and red are town, its a shame they've decided to quit after becoming the center of attention. I'm content with the prpl lynch, sorry if I'm wrong sounds to me like "sry guys, you're going to to lynch a townie again but I feel really sorry about it *happy* :3 :D" On February 29 2012 07:34 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. I asked you multiple times to respond to my questioning of your case. Instead of responding, you decided to play the "everyone is against me" card and left the thread. I do find it pretty hilarious how good you are at getting away with this though :p Same as above. Why so happy? I don't want to believe kita might be mafia | ||
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On February 29 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 08:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 29 2012 06:22 kitaman27 wrote: dunno about bugs, but I just got out of class. I'm interested to see if RoL is going to show up to save himself from modkill. If him and red are town, its a shame they've decided to quit after becoming the center of attention. I'm content with the prpl lynch, sorry if I'm wrong sounds to me like "sry guys, you're going to to lynch a townie again but I feel really sorry about it *happy* :3 :D" On February 29 2012 07:34 kitaman27 wrote: On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. I asked you multiple times to respond to my questioning of your case. Instead of responding, you decided to play the "everyone is against me" card and left the thread. I do find it pretty hilarious how good you are at getting away with this though :p Same as above. Why so happy? I don't want to believe kita might be mafia says the guy who posted this shit: Show nested quote + On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. DocH did the same today! | ||
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On February 29 2012 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 08:33 Toadesstern wrote: On February 29 2012 08:33 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 29 2012 08:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 29 2012 06:22 kitaman27 wrote: dunno about bugs, but I just got out of class. I'm interested to see if RoL is going to show up to save himself from modkill. If him and red are town, its a shame they've decided to quit after becoming the center of attention. I'm content with the prpl lynch, sorry if I'm wrong sounds to me like "sry guys, you're going to to lynch a townie again but I feel really sorry about it *happy* :3 :D" On February 29 2012 07:34 kitaman27 wrote: On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. I asked you multiple times to respond to my questioning of your case. Instead of responding, you decided to play the "everyone is against me" card and left the thread. I do find it pretty hilarious how good you are at getting away with this though :p Same as above. Why so happy? I don't want to believe kita might be mafia says the guy who posted this shit: On February 25 2012 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: On February 25 2012 10:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier. Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way. the sad part here is that I'm not getting out here alive no matter what's going to happen, because it's the very same situation we had in L d1 with Palmar. If BH flips town and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafa and I keep my vote off him everyone is going to rant about me because I was "defending" him. If BH flips town and I vote him everyone is going to rant about me "how does that noob have a better read than a fantastillion of our best vets?" If BH flips mafia and I vote vote him everyone is going to rant about how I only voteswitched after I had to. Sad story, isn't it? However, I'm going to rethink this whole thing when I wake up tomorrow. Should be plenty of time. For now I'm sticking with RoL. DocH did the same today! so you're telling me one of two things: 1. all 3 of you are scum or 2. you're fixating retardedly on something that is barely alignment indicative. Actually what am I saying, obviously you're just thick. I'm telling you that you should know by know that I do posts like that from time to time because I can't help it although you already said it's stupid Think I did a post like that in my first nooby game as well where you coached me, However DocH calls me out for doing something like that and does it himself | ||
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On February 29 2012 08:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: can you point out when i did that Actually I was pretty sure you posted a two or three-liner that was pretty much the same like my post but I can't find it oO So my bad, either I'm getting mad (like in mentally mad, not angry) or someone else posted that and I confused you with that guy. | ||
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On February 29 2012 09:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On February 29 2012 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: On February 29 2012 09:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:45 Cwave wrote: On February 29 2012 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On February 29 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: And you still have no intention of doing anything, it looks like? Holy shit, why sign up for games if you're just going to go inactive, make a bunch of excuses, fake a ragequit, then come back again just to go "trolol just shoot me you guys all suck" You retards shrugged off every attempt at activity I ever made as OMGUS and worthless and were going to lynch me regardless of what I said. When I left the thread, you guys had every intention of killing me, and zero intention of ever listening to me. Why on Earth would I waste my valuable time continuing to fight an uphill battle for no reason when my shits dismissed without even being read? Hint: No one would. So you align yourself for a modkill to avoid getting lynched and then at the last minute avoid the modkill? Horrible, shitty playstyle dude.... wtf. I never intended to get modkilled. I intended to let myself get lynched by town. There is a distinct difference. What you are saying is against the rules for one, and two would result in my ban. in what world is either of these "playing toward your wincondition"? I feel becuase of my current academic situation and girlfriend that I can't ever put in the level of activity to prove my innocence and by puting off my lynch it would just further confuse the town. Hence, letting you lynch me and avoiding confusion in a do or die situation like lylo/mylo is working towards my win condition. I also wouldn't want to let a player sub in for me because that's just dick, put someone in a terrible situation day 3 and make them fight up hill out of it, no sir. I did what I thought was best for town and you guys couldn't even follow through on it. people did not lynch you because "let's not waste a lynch on a to be modkill" | ||
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On February 29 2012 09:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: That's the stupidest thing I ever read toad, lynch someone you find scummy and don't hope the mod takes care of it. I clearly wasn't going to let myself get modkilled. I have played like 40 games on this site and have only ever been modkilled once because I got kicked out of my house and had no way to get online for a week. don't blame me for that. I had my vote on you when people said "we need to get a lynch rolling" and I was fine with lynching prpl as well so I switched. I never said we shouldn't lynch you because of that. I also didn't like docH telling people "don't lynch RoL, let the vigs deal with him instead". Maybe we have more alchis (don't know how that role works and mafiascum wiki is down someone willing to eplain what it does?) you can chose wether they shoot or do something else but I doubt we have normal vigs. If we had normal vigs you'd be dead by now, same with chaoser and risk. Or at LEAST one of you three should be dead by now if he really had normal vigs. | ||
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Maybe it's not the people I mentioned but someone said what I just said :p | ||
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1. See if someone out of wbg / VE / RoL dies 2. Lynch whoever still stands 3. ... 4. profit Best. Plan. Ever. See you at deadline, will explain :p | ||
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Will you explain your why you said DocH is a liar as well? I got a weird feeling about it and can't put my finger on it. | ||
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WBG told me when I asked about VE to ignore VE if I don't know whats going to. Why should I ignore nullreads or people who are giving me different vibes? That's not what a townie should do imo... Also WBG made a neat list yesterday. It consisted of prpl, VE and Toad (<--- That's me). We should 100% lynch into that list because it probably has exactly one mafia in it. That mafia is VE. Prpl already flipped green and if wbg is mafia he's not going to make a 3/3 townie list telling us to lynch into that, also WBG is the kind of player that talks about other mafia players. Look at AC's post game what Radfield said. Always mix up things. 2 townies 1 mafia sounds reasonable and I thought the one mafia is prpl but our lynch explained that situation. Even if I'm wrong on wbg it's np because if wbg is town listening to him is not a bad talent toi have because he really wants to find mafia. I know I am not mafia. I know prpl is not mafia. Looking bad for VE either way. Yes this is a little wifom but it's not the entire case. I have said VE looks pretty scummy from d1 on, was a little confused d2 because I didn't think he'd behave that way as mafia but what he said yesterday really gave him away. If someone says something bad town-VE talks about it in a "normal" fashen. fosing a little, being a little agressive but in a normal fashion, not like wbg for example. Yesterday when I talked about that wifom about VE he suddenly jumped in the discussion telling me I'm wrong and that what I posted is not prove for VE being mafia (which I never said, I only thought it's pretty likely and I in reality I was talking about wbg's alignment the most time, VE was just a sidecomment). That's the kind of action he does as mafia, being gentle like that. Look at AC, he did the same move with me on d3 after shooting 2 townies. I asked "is someone scared to die? I am going to shoot tonight" and some people said stuff like "with your aim I am really scared" (think it was risk?) and that looked normal but out of nowhere VE waltzed in the thread saying something along the lines "no Toad, you don't suck! This is your time! Make the right decision" trying to gentle and to curry favour with me (<-- never used that term, according to dict.cc it's what I mean :p ). He did the same yesterday and it is an extreme mafia-VE-treat. And that's just the "new" stuff. Still everything I said about him d1 and d2 hold. Still everything Layabout said about him holds. VE needs to be lynched tomorrow. Fancy conclusion: VE is mafia WBG is probably mafia. Nevertheless lynching VE first is the better choice I've been on his ass for all the time and I can see if you don't trust me given what DocH and WBG said about me the last cycle but consider that there's multiple people thinking the same way. VE needs to die tomorrow if he's not dead after todays night post. VE is mafia | ||
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And if wbg ends up being town you were right to sheep syllo because you know the reads he has after 5hours are better than you d3 reads? If wbg ends up being mafia you are awesome because you were right all along? Am I understanding the sitaution correctly? | ||
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[b]RoL VE WBG In that order imo. Maybe switch VE and RoL I don't care, they're both pretty confirmed mafia by now. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:08 Toadesstern wrote: nope. RoL should be dead because I shot him. I wanted to shoot VE n2 and did a last second switch to RoL resulting in massive amounts of fail + claiming for those who payed attention. This time I did not fail and he should be dead. RoL VE WBG In that order imo. Maybe switch VE and RoL I don't care, they're both pretty confirmed mafia by now. EBWOP | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:04 Toadesstern wrote: ok let me check this thing. Maybe I failed again like n2, but I'm pretty sure I doublechecked it this time Why would medics protect RoL twice in a row? RoL are you bulletproof? I never shot n2. I'm an avenger and therefore I'm not a normal vig. I can only shoot after a townie was lynched and if the target voted for that person as well. n2 I did a last minute swtich and thought RoL voted for BH and realized only too late that he did not. That's why I asked him "RoL why are you still alive?" because I thought I shot. Then I realized he never voted for BH and I failed massivly. This time however he voted for prpl according to our voting thread although there's no final votingcount which is kind of a bitch... | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote: or roleblock you, for that matter If you're suggesting we're lynching VE instead I'm all up for that as well. Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list. Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On March 01 2012 07:04 Toadesstern wrote: ok let me check this thing. Maybe I failed again like n2, but I'm pretty sure I doublechecked it this time Why would medics protect RoL twice in a row? RoL are you bulletproof? I never shot n2. I'm an avenger and therefore I'm not a normal vig. I can only shoot after a townie was lynched and if the target voted for that person as well. n2 I did a last minute swtich and thought RoL voted for BH and realized only too late that he did not. That's why I asked him "RoL why are you still alive?" because I thought I shot. Then I realized he never voted for BH and I failed massivly. This time however he voted for prpl according to our voting thread although there's no final votingcount which is kind of a bitch... do you have more than one shot? if you kill someone can you shoot again? if you shoot someone and it fails can you shoot again? + Show Spoiler + I don't believe this claim, and I'll give a rationale if Toad answers these questions adequately. I won't tell mafia (you) if I got more bullets :3 | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:18 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote: or roleblock you, for that matter If you're suggesting we're lynching VE instead I'm all up for that as well. Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list. Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE YOU ARE A GENIUS VOTE: VISCERAEYES I don't like sarcasm when it's used against me but I see you like the basic idea :3 | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't follow Toades logic probably from lack of paying attention to what he was talking about Day 2, can someone explain how this incriminates VE??
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On March 01 2012 07:30 kitaman27 wrote: Scum. ##Vote wherebugsgo nono, we start with either VE or RoL today, next day the one who's left over and next thing we do is decide wether it's WBG (most likely imo), BC (mediocre), or Kita (unlikely but more possible than I hoped yesterday). | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:31 kitaman27 wrote: On March 01 2012 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: more likely than vet you think? why is VE confirmed mafia then You're voting RoL now, right DrH? Probably Dirkzor but I'd like to see Toades explain how he "confirmed" VE, I bet it's a shaky wifom argument There are usually more town roles that can dodge night kills than mafia he asked to be shot. Why would (for example) a Town-VET asked to be shot? | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:36 Jitsu wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:27 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't follow Toades logic probably from lack of paying attention to what he was talking about Day 2, can someone explain how this incriminates VE??
So the question remains; How does this incriminate VE. it doesn't VE is mafia for other reasons. Read layas filter. Read my filter. Read what I posted the last hour. It's all little puzzle peaces comming together. Also @VE I wasn't referring to you but to RoL. But thx for showing how you thought I was attacking you again. | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:40 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:39 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:36 Jitsu wrote: On March 01 2012 07:27 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't follow Toades logic probably from lack of paying attention to what he was talking about Day 2, can someone explain how this incriminates VE??
So the question remains; How does this incriminate VE. it doesn't VE is mafia for other reasons. Read layas filter. Read my filter. Read what I posted the last hour. It's all little puzzle peaces comming together. Also @VE I wasn't referring to you but to RoL. But thx for showing how you thought I was attacking you again. but...but.. you said I'm a genius | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:47 Jitsu wrote: Not sure i'm buying this Toad claim. Why don't you think you're hit went through, Toad? Because of a mafia medic? Explain that reasoning. Is that what you truly believe? what should it be instead? A townie protecting RoL? Why should a townie ask to be shot to end this if he had a chance to dodge bullets? | ||
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On March 01 2012 07:55 Jitsu wrote: As DocH said, would you explain the reasoning how VE is mafia? Are you going to vote for him then? I am going to vote for either VE or RoL. Both are mafia, WBG is most likely mafia and maybe someone else like docH or BC. I want to know what other people think about wether we should lynch VE or RoL first. | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 08:02 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:55 Jitsu wrote: As DocH said, would you explain the reasoning how VE is mafia? Are you going to vote for him then? I am going to vote for either VE or RoL. Both are mafia, WBG is most likely mafia and maybe someone else like docH or BC. I want to know what other people think about wether we should lynch VE or RoL first. VE shouldn't be lynched because he's town, but at least I disagree that we should lynch RoL. Shucks sir. wat? | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:14 wherebugsgo wrote: I wish I had multiple votes/guns so I could just kill as many of you as possible you wanted to lynch me for less than VE did in the last 2 hours... | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:17 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list. Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE Please, please, please. Never use this logic again. I thought it's funny ;( | ||
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On March 01 2012 08:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 08:23 Toadesstern wrote: just read for christs sake. There's like 5 pages about VE in layas and my filter. Confirmed is a lot different than suspect, you need to demonstrate the logic of why he is confirmed RIGHT NOW if you want to seriously push his lynch there is no 100% confirmed in this game. The risk that VE might flip town is about as low, or maybe a little higer than the risk that RoL might flip town. Read what I posted about him, read what Laya posted about him, think about what he was in Arkham and you'll figure out he's mafia. I can't just quote everything everyone said about him, that would bomb the thread. If you guys are up for lynching RoL instead I'm all up for that as well and would be willing to switch for that since I already shot him yesterday and he's still alive. I'd say lynching RoL is the better move to get over with this (especially since wbg is already voting VE but that might be a move to get towncred, never theless voting RoL would be the, by very little, safer option) but we might as well wait if there's going to be someone claiming he RB'ed me. But since laya is also pretty fixated on VE I'm fine with that lynch as well right now and RoL the next day. Maybe RoL is fucking Santa Claus and has the special ability to transform every nighthit into healing cookies he can give to children that behave nicely and that's why he was trying so hard to get killed. Maybe VE has completly changed his meta, maybe all those posts VE did the last 2,5 hours and some of those he did the last 3 days (ingame) are just looking awful because everyone in here's misinterpreting them (like yesterday my "scumslip"). Maybe WBG really thinks it's a good move for a townie to ignore nullreads and people that give mafiavibes from time to time and therefore really meant it when he told me to "just ignore VE". But I am willing to take that minimal risk and say that RoL, VE and WBG are all mafia working in a team together. Anyways I'm off to bed now. Discuss this thing with Laya and Kita, you don't seem to like my cases anyways Maybe BC will show up as well telling us what he thinks, idk. See you tomorrow, I'm unvoting VE and voting RoL for now. | ||
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March 01 2012 00:50 GMT
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On March 01 2012 09:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Okay, please be careful with your language. It is somewhat possible RoL is the vet but his play doesn't make much sense if he is. I'll be voting RoL unless he can convince otherwise. I'm straight up not the vet. It would be retardedly anti town for me to request to be shot if I was town and the vet. On a related note Toad you are seriously using the worst logic I have ever seen. "I think WBG is scum, WBG made a list of 3 people he thinks are scum. Since he is scum he probably has one scum in that list, since one is dead, the other is me, the third has to be scum! So lets kill the third." This all hinges on WBG being scum........ so kill wherebugsgo......? Seriously, dumbest thing I have read. I mean I used similar logic to kill Kita in Responsibility mafia iirc where L commented on both BumAtLarge and Kita in the same post and when I knew rest of the scum team, I was able to determine what L was doing with that post and pin Kita as the last red. But why would you kill someone random in a 3 person list to confirm that the person who made the list is scum? Basically with your logic, if we kill the third and he's scum then WBG is scum, and if we kill the third and he's town WBG is town. I don't see how you don't see the incongruency in the way you are approaching this. It wreaks of purposeful stupidity considering I never saw any other post by you with such blatantly inconsistent logic. ok still here because I can't sleep. It was supposed to be funny while somewhat true. It's not depending on wbg to be mafia because if he's not mafia he's town and in that scenario we don't need to be afraid of wbg because he wants to help town anyways. That's not the reason everytone thinks you're mafia obviously and it leaves out the possibility of wbg being 3rd party but who cares. If you flip town I'll eat my hat, just as I already said with VE 2 (?) days ago. | ||
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March 01 2012 00:53 GMT
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On March 01 2012 09:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Okay, please be careful with your language. It is somewhat possible RoL is the vet but his play doesn't make much sense if he is. I'll be voting RoL unless he can convince otherwise. I'm straight up not the vet. It would be retardedly anti town for me to request to be shot if I was town and the vet. On a related note Toad you are seriously using the worst logic I have ever seen. "I think WBG is scum, WBG made a list of 3 people he thinks are scum. Since he is scum he probably has one scum in that list, since one is dead, the other is me, the third has to be scum! So lets kill the third." This all hinges on WBG being scum........ so kill wherebugsgo......? Seriously, dumbest thing I have read. I mean I used similar logic to kill Kita in Responsibility mafia iirc where L commented on both BumAtLarge and Kita in the same post and when I knew rest of the scum team, I was able to determine what L was doing with that post and pin Kita as the last red. But why would you kill someone random in a 3 person list to confirm that the person who made the list is scum? Basically with your logic, if we kill the third and he's scum then WBG is scum, and if we kill the third and he's town WBG is town. I don't see how you don't see the incongruency in the way you are approaching this. It wreaks of purposeful stupidity considering I never saw any other post by you with such blatantly inconsistent logic. not to begin with the fact that you basicly claimed mafia. Requesting to be shot as town-vet is anto town and retarded but ragequitting just to vote 2 mins before deadline without posting shit and requesting to be shot as "townie" is not playing anti-town? | ||
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March 01 2012 01:18 GMT
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On March 01 2012 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No way a medic protects RoL Toades, how do you know your shot worked and you weren't RBd? I don't and I can't. Again, I'm willing to take the risk because what are the odds for that to happen, especially as long as noone claims he rb'ed me yesterday. If mafia rb'ed me I don't care lol | ||
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March 01 2012 01:30 GMT
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That shot I did that did not end up killing him is like the 100th nail in his coffin and is not a case, a prove or anything like that but it sure looks strange. | ||
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March 01 2012 01:38 GMT
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On March 01 2012 10:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm just asking if there is any way for you to confirm your shot went off, that's all. well the requirements for a successful shot are:
RoL is not in palmars votelist because he voted later but for all I can see his vote should have been legit. No spellingmistakes, no wrong vote patterns or something like that. Furthermore if that were to be the case RoL would be dead by now because Palmar would have to modkill him for not voting. So from my point of view I can confirm that the shot left the gun :p I can not confirm that I was not roleblocked, sheriffed or if he has some weird powers that can protect him from a hit. | ||
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March 01 2012 01:40 GMT
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On March 01 2012 10:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: VE claimed vig earlier didn't he he did? I don't recall that but if he did that's strange again because I am not a vig, I am an avenger. Syllo was not a vig but an alchemist, who according to WBG had to power to kill people. I highly doubt we got usual vigs but that's setup speculation. | ||
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March 01 2012 02:00 GMT
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March 01 2012 02:13 GMT
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Not like mafia is going to put bullets into you unless something strange happens that makes you look incredible good anyways. | ||
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March 01 2012 02:20 GMT
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On March 01 2012 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 11:13 Toadesstern wrote: well if you're a Vet who wanted to absorb a bullet we can put that to a test the next night cycle. If I recall correctly you voted for BH, didn't you? ❤ Not like mafia is going to put bullets into you unless something strange happens that makes you look incredible good anyways. I mean, unless I'm mistaking the mechanics of your role, you can only shoot into votes on lynched townies from the previous cycle...so I mean you can try I guess. I'm voting for you this cycle because I think you're a liar, and if you get lynched and you're telling the truth...well, you're not shooting anyone. you think I'm the best lynch right now? Seriously? Nothing you got to say about Rol? About WBG? | ||
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March 01 2012 03:29 GMT
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On March 01 2012 12:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote: On March 01 2012 11:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On March 01 2012 11:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I've already given you my thoughts on WBG. RoL is...up in the air for me right now. I could feasibly get behind a RoL lynch if he doesn't do anything other than continually insult town for not lynching him. But his reaction seems genuine and I don't like him as a lynch for now. We'll see what kind of contribution he can muster between now and deadline. Hey! I exposed toads logically inconsistent argument! Well, technically you and DocH did that. Anyway, does his logically inconsistent argument make him scum? And are you going to vote for him? If no or no, then you still haven't done much bro. I skimmed his posts, never read/analyzed his whole filter. The argument seemed weird and like an excuse to not kill wherebugsgo but still call him scummy, which is... awkward? I didn't really do that, unless you are referring to me speculating that redff was scum which I would contend is very different. what? wbg's dies after you two. I never defended wbg and straight up said I think he's mafia multiple times. | ||
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March 01 2012 03:43 GMT
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On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: If you're suggesting we're lynching VE instead I'm all up for that as well. Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list. Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE just to get this straight. To me this reads as: VE and RoL are both equally good lynches or at least almost equally good lynches and we need to lynch either of those two today [that was the first sentece + context of the my posts before that] Now if you're a little townie and you're concerned about a VE-lynch because you think WBG might be a townie himself, fear not, because WBG's alignment is not a problem for a VE-lynch. No matter WBG's alignment he would suggest a VE-lynch. If he's mafia to mix up his lists and as a townie to catch scum. Therefore WBG's alignment is of no matter when deciding whether or not to lynch VE. I tried to make it sound fancy this time, did it work? :3 | ||
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March 01 2012 05:16 GMT
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On March 01 2012 14:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 12:43 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote: or roleblock you, for that matter If you're suggesting we're lynching VE instead I'm all up for that as well. Either you're mafia and not stupid enough to make a 3/3 townie list or you are against my better judgement indee townie and we should trust you => we should lynch into your list. Since prpl already flipped green and I know my own alignment that leaves us with VE just to get this straight. To me this reads as: VE and RoL are both equally good lynches or at least almost equally good lynches and we need to lynch either of those two today [that was the first sentece + context of the my posts before that] Now if you're a little townie and you're concerned about a VE-lynch because you think WBG might be a townie himself, fear not, because WBG's alignment is not a problem for a VE-lynch. No matter WBG's alignment he would suggest a VE-lynch. If he's mafia to mix up his lists and as a townie to catch scum. Therefore WBG's alignment is of no matter when deciding whether or not to lynch VE. I tried to make it sound fancy this time, did it work? :3 You specifically were saying that WBG's list was the way you were justifying killing VE. Since scum would not likely make an entirely town list. Now you are dismissing that, even though it was the initial premise of your first argument to kill VE. no I did not. I said that that list is no problem for us because wbg is not afraid to list mafias to mix things up and screw with peoples radars and if he's a townie that shouldn't be an issue at all. | ||
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March 01 2012 06:30 GMT
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On March 01 2012 15:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You said it's what confirms VE you're backpedaling so much and it's not the first time either no I said it's another one of the facts that should make you feel okay to lynch him. When you guys asked why VE, I told you to read my and Laya's filter. THAT'S the reason VE is, besides RoL, the best possible lynch right now. I never said that little phrase was anything important, I just found it important to add that WBG's alignment is not a matter of wether we should lynch VE or not. The reason VE is a good lynch, and I said it exactly that way is the fact that we got about 5 pages of filter about him in layas and my filter (although 5 pages is probably an exaggeration, more like 2?) and that everything mentioned about him still holds and that I'm not going to quote everything we mentioned about him so far again because you can simply read up the things I mentioned on d1, d2 and d3 + whenever Laya did his 2 (?) cases on VE. THAT's the reason VE is a lynchoption right now and THAT's what I said when you asked me about it so please stop pretending that little phrase I added to show that it's completly independent from WBG's alignment although he added VE on one of his lists-of-death is the only thing I said about VE or the reason I want VE to hang. Seriously it's like I'm talking to a wall and people only remember what happened the last 8-or-so hours because clearly everything else seems to be forgotten. | ||
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March 01 2012 06:37 GMT
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On February 27 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: RoL buddy, why you still alive? I asked RoL after that nightpost why he's still alive becaue I thought I shot, turned out I did not and I had to make a freaky explanation why I said that + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: RoL buddy, why you still alive? On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. | ||
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March 01 2012 07:01 GMT
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On March 01 2012 15:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 15:37 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and DocH since you brought it up again that I might be roleblocked twice. I shot yesterday and I failed (myself) the night before that resulting in not shooting. So mafia did not need to roleblock me twice, once would have been enough. I merely mentioned it to make you guys understand what happened and why I posted that one: On February 27 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: RoL buddy, why you still alive? I asked RoL after that nightpost why he's still alive becaue I thought I shot, turned out I did not and I had to make a freaky explanation why I said that + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: RoL buddy, why you still alive? On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote: Toad, how could he answer your question? he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs. At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work. No hit on Night 1? I believe you now. no hit on n1 (that was after lynching redFF). It was a concealed flip after all and my powers only work after a townie got lynched. no hit on n2 due to my own failure (that was after lynching BH) shot RoL on n3 (that was after lynching prpl) | ||
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March 01 2012 07:08 GMT
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I am convinced VE is mafia but RoL was such a pain in the ass that I'd like him to hang first and I don't want wbg to decide yet another lynch :p | ||
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March 01 2012 08:32 GMT
#2015
People who are happy to finally talk about something like how bad X is and therefore don't have to come up with something themselves. People who are honestly confused about what I post. People who should know better. People who just aren't honest with their reaction. Oh and it forced people to talk. I like talking! Oh and it gives a lot of reactions :p Oh and I also like do exaggerate pretty often. That's my one big issue that gets in the way but luckily gives information as well although it makes me look pretty bad even if I am town and don't mean to do that. So no I VE, I really use terms like "confirmed" or "the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread" quite often imo. | ||
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March 01 2012 09:03 GMT
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March 01 2012 09:05 GMT
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March 01 2012 09:14 GMT
#2029
On March 01 2012 18:07 Dirkzor wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm dead soon? If you kill me we lose this game. I'm saying WBG is scum and when he flips I very much want to lynch layabout. Don't be stupid and jump the gun. Well thats too late now.. what? DocH is like my #4 read but not more Why not hit other people that desperatly want to die, you know, like RoL ? Or are you faking something? | ||
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March 01 2012 09:15 GMT
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Scumreads are more interesting than townreads and I don't want mafia to shoot us the people we think are most likely town. | ||
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March 01 2012 09:20 GMT
#2034
my mafia powerrank would be something like #1 RoL #2 VE #3 WBG #4 DocH / BC #5 BC / DocH which looks a lot like your reads except that I got VE in there. Why do you think layabout is mafia? | ||
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March 01 2012 09:29 GMT
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March 01 2012 09:44 GMT
#2042
On March 01 2012 18:38 Tyrran wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 18:20 Toadesstern wrote: well I kind of agree with you although I would have bombed RoL instead, or VE or WBG. my mafia powerrank would be something like #1 RoL #2 VE #3 WBG #4 DocH / BC #5 BC / DocH which looks a lot like your reads except that I got VE in there. Why do you think layabout is mafia? RoL case is a bit special. The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town. So either he is mafia, with a special ability that trigger as he dies, or he is a village idiot, winning when lynched. Lastly, he could also be a traitor, making us waste a lynch on him as mafia goes unscatted. + Show Spoiler + DocH : You havent shared the results of your investigation yet? Why ? My stand on WBG : Rereading the game, he has been on the wrong lynches all game long. He pushed for : RedFF ( hidden), BH ( Blue), prplhz (green). This and he admitted that he knew that Syllo was blue the nigth he shot him. He also soft-protected RoL from dying day 3. (" Dont lynch RoL, he is going to be modkilled") The fact that he willingly said he knew Syllo was blue made me think he was town. I mean, mafia WBG could just have hidden that. wouldnt that have been strictly better from mafia point of vue ? So for now i'm still unsure. I will reread VE's filter today too. A VI would have died to my shot because neither mafia nore town would have protected that. Same with a Traitor. "The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town" is wifom and if we start making that kidn of thing a viable defense everyone who's about to get lynched will simply say "hey sorry, I sucked, just lynch me. That's best for town". How are you supposed to tell the difference between people who say that because they really think so and people who say that because they don't want to be lynched? Right you check their filter. RoL however has no filter. | ||
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March 01 2012 09:55 GMT
#2044
On March 01 2012 18:49 Tyrran wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 18:44 Toadesstern wrote: On March 01 2012 18:38 Tyrran wrote: On March 01 2012 18:20 Toadesstern wrote: well I kind of agree with you although I would have bombed RoL instead, or VE or WBG. my mafia powerrank would be something like #1 RoL #2 VE #3 WBG #4 DocH / BC #5 BC / DocH which looks a lot like your reads except that I got VE in there. Why do you think layabout is mafia? RoL case is a bit special. The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town. So either he is mafia, with a special ability that trigger as he dies, or he is a village idiot, winning when lynched. Lastly, he could also be a traitor, making us waste a lynch on him as mafia goes unscatted. + Show Spoiler + DocH : You havent shared the results of your investigation yet? Why ? My stand on WBG : Rereading the game, he has been on the wrong lynches all game long. He pushed for : RedFF ( hidden), BH ( Blue), prplhz (green). This and he admitted that he knew that Syllo was blue the nigth he shot him. He also soft-protected RoL from dying day 3. (" Dont lynch RoL, he is going to be modkilled") The fact that he willingly said he knew Syllo was blue made me think he was town. I mean, mafia WBG could just have hidden that. wouldnt that have been strictly better from mafia point of vue ? So for now i'm still unsure. I will reread VE's filter today too. A VI would have died to my shot because neither mafia nore town would have protected that. Same with a Traitor. "The fact that he insist on town lynching him proves that he is not town" is wifom and if we start making that kidn of thing a viable defense everyone who's about to get lynched will simply say "hey sorry, I sucked, just lynch me. That's best for town". How are you supposed to tell the difference between people who say that because they really think so and people who say that because they don't want to be lynched? Right you check their filter. RoL however has no filter. I'm not defending him. He is not town. That's not possible. OOOH my bad I misread and thought you said he can't be mafia because of that, because in one of my recent games something like that happened and people said stuff like that. Along the lines "mafia would not want to be lynched". So yeah let's kill RoL | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 01 2012 20:09 GMT
#2057
RoL needs to die. If this guy is a townie he singlehandedly ruined the whole game. He was "afk" for 2 days just to conventiently check his pm's 2 minutes before the deadline and found out Palmar told him to vote? This guy knew he was about to get modkilled. This guy knew the deadline. This guy knew he had to vote to not get modkilled. He did not just luckily check-in 2 minutes before the deadline as a townie unless he planned on that as a townie, which is probably playing against your win-con. We tried to kill this guy several times and everytime a convenient counterwagon got in the way. This time he dies. Lynch for today is RoL Lynch for tomorrow probably will be wbg We'll see what to do from there on. I'd say VE is still an excellent lynch but WBG has definitely priority (after RoL died) given how manipulative he was this game, how much HE decided who to lynch all the game because people asked "well who to lynch out of thoe 2/3 people?" and evertime WBG waltzed in the thread telling people the final target and people agreed. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 01 2012 20:36 GMT
#2061
On March 02 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Scumbag Toad; Says I was determining the lynch Tries to determine 3 days' worth of lynches Apologies this couldn't be made with a shiny image meme, but I'm on my phone and that would take forever. I'm trying to get this lynch for today straight. You said multiple times you think RoL is scummy yourself and the only reason you did not vote him is because there's so many people around who are way scummier. Like RedFF, BH and prpl. What about getting over with it and FINALLY kill this guy? The next lynch (that's you) got a "probably" in there because that's my opinion. We can argue about that stuff after RoL flipped red and maybe we got a better lynch hanging around (pun intended :p ) by then but I doubt it. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 01 2012 20:40 GMT
#2064
On March 02 2012 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote: I actually agree with VE for once, and that's because of one simple reason: This claim doesn't make sense with the setup. Ask yourselves this: Why would Palmar make a town role that punishes mafia for playing well and rewards town for playing stupidly? Answer: he wouldn't. I'm going with my gut from yesterday (and Dr. H, damn your indecisiveness) ##unvote VisceraEyes ##vote Toadesstern you can't even come up with a real reason to vote me and have to make this bullshit? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 01 2012 21:17 GMT
#2073
On March 02 2012 06:02 Jitsu wrote: Operation Honeypot? The one thing about Toad's claim I don't think is legit is his miss-queue on Night 2. He said he didn't make the action in time, or something similar? Toad is a better player then that. No I made a last minute switch to RoL instead of shooting VE and forgot that the target (RoL) had to vote for the miss-lynch as well, which he did not. Yeah not exactly my brightest moment... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 01 2012 21:55 GMT
#2074
On March 02 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 06:02 Jitsu wrote: Operation Honeypot? The one thing about Toad's claim I don't think is legit is his miss-queue on Night 2. He said he didn't make the action in time, or something similar? Toad is a better player then that. It was from like BCAA or XLII or something...a plan to catch scums using the Unique Visitors function in QT. I don't recall if it actually worked, it just reminded me of it. I hadn't even thought of it in those terms, Jitsu - while his reads are way off, I tend to agree that he's more careful about his action submission than to misqueue his action. It just seems off to me and I'm not buying it. I think he's lying scum. Unfortunately, I can't tell what kind of agenda he's pushing because he's trying to get me, Bugs (suspicious) and RoL (semi-suspicious) lynched - I can totally think of worse targets, so it's not like he's trying to push bad lynches per se (aside from me that is)...just lynches I don't agree with at this moment. That's part of the reason I can't bring myself to believe the claim - not even the fact that there has been no tangible proof of his claim - I'm more concerned about A) when/how he claimed, B) what actions he took after the claim. how can you not agree with RoL being the lynch for today? The guy claimed mafia in the thread... WBG defendet RoL all the time lining noob-townies up for a lynch to save his buddy. He "threatened" people with stuff like "Everyone not voting BH today has to be considered Mafia" trying to make the noobs sheep him. He straight up told me to ignore you when I said I'm not sure of your alignment yet. Why hould a townie WBG do such stuff? Not to begin with the fact that he in the end decided who to go for if we had multiple viable options. How do you think I am a lying mafia? You know god damn well I don't lie a mafia. What did I claim in my first game as mafia? Town medic who protected a mafia n1. What role did I have in that game? Mafia medic, who protected a mafia n1. I would not make up such a claim as mafia, not to begin with the fact that I never heard of that role before this game stated. As mafia I would have had the balls to straight up claim my real role making it look like I'm town aligned. So if you're telling me you think I'm a mafia vig trying to pull an Annul-move here fine with me although that's incredible bullshit, if you're telling me something else that SHOULD be considered weird. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 01 2012 22:16 GMT
#2076
On March 02 2012 07:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol excuse me ? When did I claim scum toad? Coming from someone who has had helvetica gunning for him for the last 30 hours and somehow just lucked into losing a vote you seem to have learned to nut up. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 00:26 GMT
#2085
On March 02 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I hadn't even thought of it in those terms, Jitsu - while his reads are way off, I tend to agree that he's more careful about his action submission than to misqueue his action. wait what? You said you agree that wbg is scummy, same about RoL and you're voting me because I am (I guess?) even more scummy than those two in your opinion? So let's just assume you're not mafia for a second. In that case my list is still 2/3 right according to your reads. That's "way off" ? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 00:53 GMT
#2089
On March 02 2012 09:38 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm leaning town on RoL right now, and with me being town that puts your reads at 1/3 on your most current list Honestly, the only way I can see someone coming to the conclusion that RoL's behavior is town this game is if they are scumbuddies or if they are scum and know he is town. thx telling him. I feared he might say I'm retarded if I was the one to say what you just said. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 01:39 GMT
#2097
It's either 5 v 4 (if redFF was a townie) or it's 6 v 3 (if redFF was a mafia). And our OP clearly states that 3rd party is possibly, so maybe we got a third party or something like that, who knows. So yeah. We need everyone on RoL right now... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 01:47 GMT
#2099
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 05:42 GMT
#2103
On March 02 2012 13:51 Jitsu wrote: I'm contemplating. This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. we only lynched townies so far. We also tried to kill RoL three times in a row, I even shot him and it always failed because something else was more important according to wbg. How about RoL was right all along and people like wbg said stuff like "everyone not voting BH has to be considered mafia" or "just ignore VE if you're not sure of his alignment" to get people lynched HE wanted to be lynched. Like BH and prpl? I actually don't know if wbg was one of the guys pushing redFF d1 but if he was redFF was most likely a townie himself. Will check that tomorrow. That's stuff that should make you want to lynch RoL if you think wbg is mafia. Of course there's also enough evidence on RoL himself but people already pointed that out multiple times but again, do you really think a townie would ragequit like that and coincidentally show up 2 minutes before the deadline? Sure he did not want to be modkilled but why 2 mins before the deadline? There is simply no way he was really afk. He knew about the deadline all along, he was watching this thread and waltzed in here 2 mins before deadline. Do you really think he checked his pm's coincidentally just right in time? Let's just assume he did not. What would a townie do if he were to log in, let's say 2 hours before deadline only to see a pm from palmar telling him, that he still has to vote? A townie would get in this thread telling people he's here and at least tell peolpe that he's not going to be modkilled, resulting in people changing votes back to RoL again. He never wanted to be lynched. If he really wanted to be lynched he would have told people earlier and not just 2 mins before the deadline when it was certain a vote switch was too late. That's just so super convenient for RoL and all this was not a coincidence. RoL knew about the deadline, he did not by coicidence check his pm's 120seconds before deadline, he did that on purpose to not get modkilled and he did that move to not get lynched in the first place. If you really think that RoL is playing protown and that timing is a coincidence I really can't help you. It's TL Mafia XLVIII all over again just that I'm sitting on the other end this time... I now truly know how Palmar felt in that game | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 08:50 GMT
#2105
On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: Cwave, Jitsu, layabout Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? Kitaman, there are some problems with this question. RoL is a very acceptable lynch and i voted for him yesterday. Him dodging the modkill/lynch thing and even using a line like "a mod pm'd me i had to vote to prevent being modkilled" means ill try and get him policylynched next time i play with him(policylynches never happen, i know). I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. the problem we got is that we've got only 2 more townies than mafias (assumption of my own: no third parties + redFF was a townie). Therefore we need all the townie votes on the same target. Neither do I think Jitsu is a good lynch target nore do I think you'll have a chance getting every townie on a Jitsu lynch. People who look terrible bad right now and need to be lynched straight away: RoL WBG perhaps VE (although Kita doesn't seem to think as strong about him as I do, especially the fact that wbg was so fast on "ok let's lynch VE" looks a bit weird, making him only #3 imo) BC you'll really have a hard time lynching someone else cwave and this is no time for experiments. We need to lynch all 4 mafias in a row as far as I see. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 08:53 GMT
#2106
However, it's from ranked from "KILL IT WITH FIRE" (wbg) to "PROBABLY KILL IT WITH FIRE" (BC). | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 10:56 GMT
#2109
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 11:14 GMT
#2111
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 13:08 GMT
#2113
That mean we either get a nolynch or we get a mislynch if syllos assumption that mafia has a floridian as well from d2 is right. The second one is an instant-lose, the first one pretty much as well. This is not the time to vote someone because you think he is a little suspicious. We need to get every townie on the same guy no matter if you personally think guy-X is even more scummy. So everyone vote RoL please. VE voted him as well, I still think VE is mafia so don't let yourself get tricked thinking "well we already have 6 guy on RoL, guess I can vote someone else in that case". I suspect VE will switch if that ensures a mafia win. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 14:35 GMT
#2116
On March 02 2012 22:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will tentatively vote toad, but I will check from work to see if you guys found a better target later. But seriously. Awkward claim that someone incriminates me. 1) Terrible logic on killing VE to confirm WBG as scum/1), 2)never actively helped a lynch and sheeped votes./2) On March 02 2012 22:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: 3)lol wow, you all don't see this lynch happening too easy?/3) Whatever man, I have work and I will be back after the deadline, but I will log on and cast my vote before the deadline. And do answer you, its a matter of coincidence. My law class starts at 4:55, I get in a couple minutes early boot up my laptop and skype autologs in, to which I get a message, or messages I received while not at my computer. It wasn't me conveniently checking TL PMs. Lol, its really funny though,4) this is the exact reason I said it was beneficial to lynch me two days ago. Becuase if you let me live until mylo, you give mafia the easiest win ever./4) 1) is a straight up lie or you still haven't read a thing I posted. I said "WBG's alignment is of no matter when judging VE because WBG has a reason to add VE to his list as both being mafia and town himself. So you mixed up the names and you still haven't understood what I said. Awesome. 2) Is that a good thing or a bad thing considering we lynched townies only so far? I said BH is a coinflip and I wanted to lynch you instead, apparently noone else wanted to kill you. So according to what you said I behaved protown because I was trying to lynch you instead, which was according to you the best course of action for town, yet you make it look like it was something bad. prpl was indeed sheeping because I was trusting kitas read and AGAIN people did not want to lynch you or VE. I take that as a compliment I guess? 3) yeah incredible easy. We tried to lynch you 3 times in a row, I shot you. I totally get your point of being the easy lynch. If you were easy to kill you'd be dead for 2 full cycles. 4) idk man. You were scared after 48hours of being away and thought it's already gg because mafia will leave you until mylo to place you on a tablet as the easy lynch? And you never thought of using those 999hours of gameplay to make up for d1 instead of sacrificing yourself so that we don't mislynch in mylo which was still cycles away the moment you made the decision to sacrifice yourself? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 17:28 GMT
#2123
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 17:35 GMT
#2125
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 17:38 GMT
#2126
On March 03 2012 02:35 Toadesstern wrote: I doubt blue claims will put mafia under pressure. More like it's going to confuse people like Jitsu and Cwave EBWOP Gosh I need sleep. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 18:39 GMT
#2129
If you really think I ruined this game I'm sorry about that but can't really see how you're telling me I ruined this game when we had people like RoL, Risk, chaoser, prpl and redFF who all pretty much refused to play. Oh and Zephird d1 was hilarious as well. I really don't mind you telling me you'll never sign up a game with me again, I'll probably do the same with some of the guys I just mentioned but telling me I ruined this game is just complete and utter bullshit. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 18:57 GMT
#2135
However I really don't think I am "responsible" for people not playing. Remember what wbg did? According to redFF he's the reason he ragequit. Remember that german-"joke" he got a warning for? And you're telling me I am responsible for making people run? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 19:00 GMT
#2136
On March 03 2012 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote: RoL WBG BC layabout GG scum. Kita is your list looking similar to this? This could be GG if I'm even close. yeah. I am also considering this right now. Right now you're down to #4 on my mafia powerrank and layabout is at #5. So IF you really are town it's laya for sure. However I am pretty scared about you. You could easily be a mafia bussing everyone if we figured you guys out, so that at least one guy can win. I will give you a chance, I still think your meta this game is scummy but we're not going to lynch you before RoL, wbg and BC are dead, so you got some time to prove yourself to me :p | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 19:05 GMT
#2139
On March 03 2012 04:03 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 04:00 Toadesstern wrote: On March 03 2012 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote: RoL WBG BC GG scum. Kita is your list looking similar to this? This could be GG if I'm even close. yeah. the guy that has called you scum all game just called me scum, he must be scum nah I think you're playing a game right now and I'm not talking about mafia | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 19:09 GMT
#2140
On March 03 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 17:50 Toadesstern wrote: On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote: On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: Cwave, Jitsu, layabout Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? Kitaman, there are some problems with this question. RoL is a very acceptable lynch and i voted for him yesterday. Him dodging the modkill/lynch thing and even using a line like "a mod pm'd me i had to vote to prevent being modkilled" means ill try and get him policylynched next time i play with him(policylynches never happen, i know). I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. the problem we got is that we've got only 2 more townies than mafias (assumption of my own: no third parties + redFF was a townie). Therefore we need all the townie votes on the same target. Neither do I think Jitsu is a good lynch target nore do I think you'll have a chance getting every townie on a Jitsu lynch. People who look terrible bad right now and need to be lynched straight away: RoL WBG perhaps VE (although Kita doesn't seem to think as strong about him as I do, especially the fact that wbg was so fast on "ok let's lynch VE" looks a bit weird, making him only #3 imo) BC you'll really have a hard time lynching someone else cwave and this is no time for experiments. We need to lynch all 4 mafias in a row as far as I see. If you think I'm bussing my entire team, you're fucking high my friend. That is all. This post right here shows why no one listens to you. yeah give me some time to think this trough okay? :p 24 hours ago you used to be confirmed mafia to me and now you're even with laya, that's already a huge deal for me and more than I am happy to admit | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 20:26 GMT
#2143
And I'm not talking about wether or not someone else got a better chance to flip mafia (I doubt that) but about the fact that we don't have enough people in here. If we were to switch that'd be an instant town lose because we can't get everyone in here. Some people are still voting for jitsu as far as I can see... Yes I'm talking to you cwave. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 20:43 GMT
#2147
On March 03 2012 05:36 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 05:34 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 03:49 layabout wrote: He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot. How is that not wasting his claimed ability? He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit? Yes. if that's the case vote RoL please. thx | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 20:49 GMT
#2151
On March 03 2012 05:46 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with. So you are entertaining the idea that mafia would be given a role that allows other players to communicate privately? THIS IS WHY I HAVE PUT SO LITTLE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME, HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT? manipulating people 1 on 1 is way easier than manipulating people in the thread. Also a nice thing to know: Remember who WBG said he's a very manipulative mafia but this time he's "honestly" not manipulating anyone? I find it rather funny that you ended up masoning wbg with people given that self-read. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 20:55 GMT
#2155
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 20:57 GMT
#2159
On March 03 2012 05:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: I can only shoot after a townie was lynched and if the target voted for that person as well. n2 I did a last minute swtich and thought RoL voted for BH and realized only too late that he did not. That's why I asked him "RoL why are you still alive?" because I thought I shot. Then I realized he never voted for BH and I failed massivly. Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 03:39 Toadesstern wrote: I never wasted my role or did not understand it, don't know what you're talking about. I got one shot. Since you (mafia) quoted the right post anyways I can tell you that as well. I "failed" because I did not shoot that night although I wanted. I did not waste my power. I just shot a night later than I intended... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:10 GMT
#2172
On March 03 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I'm scum layabout? You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes. You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you. You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim. remember the theory from d2 that if town got a floridian mafia has a floridian as well? WE NEED 6 VOTES ON ROL RIGHT NOW JITSU & CWAVE | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:16 GMT
#2179
On March 03 2012 06:13 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:12 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 06:11 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 03 2012 06:11 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I'm scum layabout? You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes. You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you. You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim. meh I counted your vote twice. Does anyone else have a protective role that would explain the missing night hits? doubt it derp derp derp derp derp derp You say I can't be scum. You infer that I am lying. So what's my angle? you're either retarded or third party. I don't usually call people retarded, But when I do they are dead on right. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:19 GMT
#2182
On March 03 2012 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:16 Toadesstern wrote: On March 03 2012 06:13 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 03 2012 06:12 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 06:11 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 03 2012 06:11 kitaman27 wrote: On March 03 2012 06:08 layabout wrote: On March 03 2012 06:02 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I'm scum layabout? You're saying that I didn't receive a healing potion from syllo and got shot? So who else got the healing potion? You're saying that I decided to make jackal a confirmed town on night 1 and then procede to shoot him the next day, even though he was completely trolling the thread? jitsu and cwave, I'm going to need your votes. Scum hit 5 players on toad first, so we need all six votes. You are lying about the vote count RoL hit 4 votes, then Toad hit 4 votes. You are trying to force players to follow you by tunnelling, and hoping that they blindly sheep you. You also did not make jackal confirmed town night1, but by killing him you did lay the ground for your claim. meh I counted your vote twice. Does anyone else have a protective role that would explain the missing night hits? doubt it derp derp derp derp derp derp You say I can't be scum. You infer that I am lying. So what's my angle? you're either retarded or third party. I don't usually call people retarded, But when I do they are dead on right. I called him retarded because he knows my role yet he asks if there's another protective role. mafiamedic who protected RoL doesn't count. He clearly was asking for other town protective roles. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:37 GMT
#2186
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:38 GMT
#2187
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:44 GMT
#2190
Right now it's RoL or me. If all townies are on the right guy town gets a chance to win this game, if at least 1 or more townie are not on the right target we instantly lose. Hey, at least he's covering jitsu... that way town can't even win... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#2192
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:51 GMT
#2193
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#2203
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#2209
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 22:07 GMT
#2213
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#2215
On March 03 2012 07:09 Tyrran wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: And laya's actions are confirmed in-thread...who have you put in contact Tyrran? All people in contact have allready claimed, that would prove nothing. If i die tonigth, you'll see my flip and you will lynch layabout.. If i'm alive, i will annonce with my first post the two player that were masoned. They will be able to confirm it and we will lynch layabout. sounds like a decent plan to me | ||
Toadesstern
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March 02 2012 22:27 GMT
#2220
On March 03 2012 07:19 Cwave wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Keep in mind also that Laya and RoL pulled this shit minutes from lynch - meaning they're desperate. I think lynching into Toad-Votes is a pretty safe bet guys. Desperate meaning Redff is scum? How so? desperate meaning they all-ined. VE and I did the same as mafia in ... whatever the number is, with Annul just that we both are awesome and it worked and they failed at hardpushing me. They basicly claimed mafia in the thread with their votes as town only has 6 votes, therefore if there was a mafia within those 6 votes that would mean a townie had to be outside of those 6 votes which again means that they could have last second swapped and insta-won the game. Therefore if mafia has a floridian everyone voting RoL is confirmed town. If they don't have a floridian at least 5 out of 6 votes on RoL are confirmed. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#2224
Layabout is 100% confirmed mafia if what Tyrran says is correct WBG is like 99% confirmed mafia BC is something like 90% imo. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 22:57 GMT
#2227
On March 03 2012 07:54 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2012 07:06 Palmar wrote: RebirthOfLeGenD the Poisoner has been lynched Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 12:43 kitaman27 wrote: A zero kp setup seems extremely difficult to balance, especially for a "normal game". Scum might have a poisoner (in which we wouldn't have a notification), town might have ton of roles punishing mistakes, or scum might have some sort of conditional kp, but it seems much more likely they missed on their hits. How would kita know that on d1? This flip just mindfucked me. Yes, I was wrong about RoL, but more importantly I'm sure I was wrong about kita. why, just why should Kita have confirmed me as townie if he was not a townie himself? Unless of course you now think I am together with Kita mafia and we bussed RoL in which case: whatever, noones listening to you | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#2228
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 23:14 GMT
#2235
he's a mafia doctor, not a weak MEDIC. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 02 2012 23:16 GMT
#2240
Not that it matters, he's still a red medic / doctor even if palmar called the blue weak medic a weak doctor as well. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 11:17 GMT
#2301
On March 03 2012 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote: At least we don't have to worry about Toad misfiring tonight, AMIRITE? I kid, I kid...you're still a bro Toad. That's not going to happen :p I still think it is the very same Situation we were in in TL Mafia XLVIII (@VE and obs-Jackal). They all-ined yesterday like we all-ined to defend Annul the last day. Just that we're awesome and able to pulling that off and WBG & friends are not. The resemblances are terrifying. Of course terrifying for Mafia now that everything is figured out. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 11:58 GMT
#2302
If there REALLY were 2 townies stupid enough to vote me yesterday we can't win this anyways. So it's either all 6 townies voted RoL or we've got a bunch of morons who voted me yesterday and people like Kita/VE/Jitsu are playing the safe option, bussing their teammember while knowing that there's a bunch of people who voted wrong and therefore are an easy mislynch while getting massively towncred. I still think bugs looks awful even without what happened yesterday. Look at his filter and especially pay attention to what he said to others about other people. Eg. Talking about VE to me. Talking about how Risk has to be mafia given that replacement. Talking about how RoL is a confirmed mafia in his opinion but people like BH, prpl and myself are even more confirmed. That guy is just plain mafia. Nothing to add here. I also highly doubt that jitsu would have the balls to fake counterclaim Layabout, especially given that layabout seems to have given up and hasn't even responded in a "HEY NO WAY; I AM THE TOWN OPERATOR"-fashion. But surly wbg will come in here and tell everyone that that's just wifom. And I will tell you that the term wifom is the cheapest, and most stupid defense there is. Yes it may be possible and that's essentially the reason for this very post but what are the odds or that? Sure it could be Jitsu fake-CC-ing but it sounds WAY more reasonable/plausible/likely to me that he just IS the one telling the truth. Sure VE could maybe be a mafia who went for towncred last second unvoting me but I somehow think he would do what he did as a townie given how much I attacked him. I'd say he'd be pretty pissed and raging about me if he's a townie and I was wrong about him. But then again, who's the one guy that is supposed to be wrong to make way for VE being mafia? WBG and Laya desperatly need to die. BC as well. Honestly I'd say the chances are somewhat like 90% for mafiateam to be: WBG + Laya + BC 10% for mafiateam to be WBG + Laya + someone else who's playing according to a mafia masterplan (like VE, Jitsu, Kita) The first explanation seems way more likely and I'd be happy to stick with it just for the odds. Furthermore I think that if it's the latter one town already/still lost imo. But sure I'll reread some filters tomorrow. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 15:18 GMT
#2304
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 22:38 GMT
#2312
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 22:39 GMT
#2313
On March 04 2012 07:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2012 07:27 kitaman27 wrote: So at 6v3 as a weak doctor you decided to use your power knowing that if VE was scum, you would die and the two mafia kp would end the game with 3v3. You were so confident on your read (a person that you told me you thought was scum in the quicktopic) that you decided that submitting a medic action was worth risking the game? actually I wanted to die, because this game is driving me insane. oh so you're now on RoLs level. Guess what happened to him after telling people he wants to die? I am not referring to the fact that he straight up survived 3 days because I seriously hope town has learnt from this mistake. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 22:45 GMT
#2318
On March 04 2012 07:43 layabout wrote: Last night i masoned Jitsu and cwave. last night Tyrran did not because he is not the operator. Tyrran is scum. This is confirmed to me. ##Vote Tyrran funny move. I'd say we wait another night and let you announce the next one first. How do you think he knew about the 2 people masoned? In the meantime WBG looks like a decent target. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 22:49 GMT
#2320
Like 1 minute before the deadline. What you did proves nothing because if you really picked a mafia they could have told their mafiabuddie... However they can't do that before the deadline because Palmar probably won't send them the link before he makes the next night post... | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 03 2012 22:54 GMT
#2325
WBG said risk.nuke (aka Cwave nowadays) looks really bad and basicly is a confirmed mafia due to the replacement. Probably suggesting something along the lines "Palmar said there are no replacement yet he got replaced. Has to be a mafia because 1/4 of the team dead is pretty bad". So that already made cwave looking pretty good considering I thought wbg is mafia, now that we got a green check on him it's making wbg look pretty bad. Like all game, this was supposed to be another easy lynch he was linging up to save RoL with a counter-wagon. Sure again bad logic, or at least it proves very little because MAYBE wbg really would think like that as townie (although I doubt it consider he kept telling me I'm stupid for bringing those wifom arguments all the time and he then does one like that himself) but it's just another peace of the puzzle that fits pretty nicely. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 04 2012 00:05 GMT
#2331
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#2334
On March 04 2012 09:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote: looking for mafia in this situation (6v4 yesterday) would be stupid if what kita says is to be true. Better claim 10 secs before deadline who you checked and search for townies. Not that it's going to be something big either because he can always be RB'ed but I doubt we can afford kita to die if he really is town right now. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat so basically you're saying, if he's town, since the only way to confirm his checks is for him to die, you don't want him to die. the fuck are you on dude? or you're just scum. Like wtf? you do realize that it took us everything we had yesterday to stop you from lynching me? I am happy the way we are right now and don't want to be in another "town has to get 100% of their votes right" situation. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 04 2012 01:39 GMT
#2336
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Toadesstern
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March 04 2012 01:44 GMT
#2337
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 04 2012 03:52 GMT
#2340
On March 04 2012 12:29 kitaman27 wrote: although it might be more likely that BC is the roleblocker if bugs is trying so hard to prove he is the scum medic yeah but I'd say if one of those 3 is to be wrong it's BC. As mentioned, Laya and bugs are a 99% call for me right now, BC is more like 90% :p | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 04 2012 14:19 GMT
#2343
We only had one pair of people who were able to talk to each other. A townie being allowed to talk to someone else would have claimed that. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 06:56 GMT
#2357
Mafia has 1 KP + a oneshot-Poisoner. N1 someone was protected. Most likely someone like kita or syllo or whatever. I do think we have a "normal" medic and a mafia medic for various reasons. Or a town medic + a mafia RB. Or a town medic + mafia RB + mafia medic. Anyways, I shot RoL and he was still alive. Protecting him would be an easy choice to have, roleblocking me would not be THAT hard given I slipped I am a vig if people took what I said for real and not for a question. So maybe I got roleblocked that night but I'd say medic sounds more reasonable. N2 noone was protected. Syllo got shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. Jackal was the same. Either shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. N3 we had a single kill again. N4 we either had a medic other than WBG OR if mafia really is as fucked as it seems to: They decided to not shoot at all to buff up their "WBG is a medic, he saved one yesterday" claim. 1KP + 1 shot Poisoner seems to explain everything pretty neatly. Maybe it was a 2 shot poisoner and he had a save on n3 as well idk. I mean, why of all people should mafia shoot VE? 2 days ago I was all over him and I'd take him to lategame any second as mafia if he's a townie simply given that they might think I'm tunneling hardcore. Protecting VE might make sense if wbg is town. Roleblocking WBG makes sense from mafia point of view if WBG really is town, however this whole bullshit is just way to convenient and we got shitloads of evidence on wbg. He is a mafia trying to save his ass. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 08:26 GMT
#2361
On March 05 2012 17:16 wherebugsgo wrote: also, you shot n1? so you're a confirmed liar now too? well, this is nice no I did not. I just mentioned my shot as an explanation for mafia having a medic as well. Probably shouldn't have done that under my "n1 part" or at least highlighted that my shot still was on n3. What you said about the poisoner being oneshot is true. Maybe it's a twoshot poisoner and we had another protection on n2 resulting in only one flip but I'm pretty sure I mentioned the possibility somewhere. Anyways n4 had no kills and the shitstorm (for mafia) started AFTER the night action deadline yet BEFORE we lynched RoL. So they would have used his ability it it's an unlimited ability. Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills. Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well. However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing. About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 08:29 GMT
#2362
On March 05 2012 17:26 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2012 17:16 wherebugsgo wrote: also, you shot n1? so you're a confirmed liar now too? well, this is nice no I did not. I just mentioned my shot as an explanation for mafia having a medic as well. Probably shouldn't have done that under my "n1 part" or at least highlighted that my shot still was on n3. What you said about the poisoner being oneshot is true. Maybe it's a twoshot poisoner and we had another protection on n3 resulting in only one flip but I'm pretty sure I mentioned the possibility somewhere. Anyways n4 had no kills and the shitstorm (for mafia) started AFTER the night action deadline yet BEFORE we lynched RoL. So they would have used his ability it it's an unlimited ability. Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills. Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well. However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing. About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one. EBWOP I confused the night numbers a little. Think it should be right now? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 09:34 GMT
#2365
On March 05 2012 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills. Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well. However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing. We don't know how medic protections work against poisoners (heck we don't even know how the poisoner works) so we're still just makings assumptions here. Unnecessary ones at that. Besides; my original point was that kita was trying to use the 2 KP argument as to why I shouldn't have acted last night. Based on only kurumi dying on n3 I see no reason to even assume there was 2 consistent KP to begin with. So why would he say that? Show nested quote + About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one. cause the lack of a kill is clearly saving me right now, right? And, I already refuted what you just said. If I'm mafia, not shooting would save me, at best, for one day. That accomplishes nothing because I die the next day (since kita would be town) and mafia would not win. Secondly, though this is not as conclusive as what I just said, if I'm mafia, why would I pick VE to call confirmed town and not my buddy between layabout+Tyrran? Why pick VE over anyone else, when for a whole day I pushed VE? VE would be the last person I would call confirmed town, simply because if I were mafia I'd be trying to lynch him right now. Just look at what he's doing (aka nothing). He'd be a great target to call scum, not town. What's funniest is that you just fucked up your fake vig claim. Too bad once I die town loses, since I'm the only one capable of stopping a night hit :/ Let's assume you're mafia for now. What would happen if you were to waltz in this thread and tell people you checked Laya right now? Right, everyone would call bullshit on you and say "well that's mafia buddies defending each other". Therefore it's not an option for you if you really are mafia. You need to get towncred somehow else and that's only possible via "confirming" someone who's really a townie or at least try looking like you're doing that. Funny sidenote here is that you actually are not confirming anyone because you yourself point out the possibility that you could be RB'ed which is pretty nice for a mafia in your situation, isn't it? Your protection is a null tell right now, that's it. Obviously it is not a reason to lynch you but neither is it a reason to not lynch you because again, you claim to be probably just roleblocked.and if you're mafia you have controle over who gets killed and therefore can make it look like you protected somewhen when there are no notifications. On another note: Do we have confirmation about the masoned people? I thought our operator might end up being roleblocked to not be able to confirm himself. So if those people are not allowed to talk to each other (by now Palmar should have send the pm's I guess..) we know were the RB went (if there is one). | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 09:53 GMT
#2368
On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote: -_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. yay logic. also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs? I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch. And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 10:15 GMT
#2371
On March 05 2012 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote: On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote: -_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. yay logic. also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs? I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch. And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game. no. 1) a counterclaim right now would be a mafia counterclaim to ensure my lynch. Why? Because even if there is somehow ANOTHER town medic (which would be fucking broken, 3 prot roles in a game with max 2 scum KP) if they believed I was scum lying about my claim they would have counterclaimed a long time ago. Indeed the only reason they would do that is if they themselves protected VE. 2) However scum, if bold enough, would counterclaim me right now because no one would move their vote off me in that case. Given the state of this game and how it's played out, though, scum are not that bold, they're lurking pussies. That's why I didn't hesitate in claiming yesterday (it was also because I made a realization that was so huge I needed to claim in order for it to make sense) and that's also why I don't fear a scum counterclaim. They'd just out themselves unnecessarily and if there is a KP role left when I die they'd risk getting shot, particularly as they don't need to do anything more to ensure my lynch. The funniest part about yesterday was kita claiming a weaker version of what I claimed, a couple hours after I claimed in the QT. 3) Anyone who actually wants to win as town, just ask yourself those questions that I posed earlier in the thread and you'll see why kita can't possibly be town. Why as a town role that confirms people would he ever visit someone other than syllo n1? Why wouldn't he visit me? Why would he visit Toad? Why would he visit Cwave (the fuck?) Why wouldn't he visit BC? Or RoL? Or me? Or syllo? Or VE? All of these players are better potential checks than ANY of the players he considered. Visiting Cwave (rofl) is just retarded, and kita is not that dumb as town. These "checks" are essentially of the same caliber as supersoft's from PYP:I. He was scum hider, and he hid behind people who were never going to get shot. He was dumb enough to truthfully provide these, so I got town to nuke him. 1) We've got a suicide bomber who killed DocH. You really think so? Or could it POSSIBLY be a medic who doesn't want to claim because he's a medic and simply thinks you're mafia as well, therefore thinking something along the lines "well better only claim when it's needed" or someone who isn't aware of what might be imba and what not? You're telling me all game long that I need to stop speculate about this game and how it is designed, yet you're allowed to do that? 2) Mafia clearly has no interest in counterclaiming you. That could be both, mafia being happy to see you lynched without doing a shit or mafia not willing to sacrifice another of thir members. So idk if they should or would do that. 3) I think the important part here is not to die while confirming townies because right now we need every townie alive? Especially townies who can play this game | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 10:16 GMT
#2372
On March 05 2012 19:11 Tyrran wrote: Show nested quote + On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote: On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote: -_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. yay logic. also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs? I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch. And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game. That's a pretty weak argument. If they had received their PM and were town, they would have claimed by now. There is something that doesn't make sense. Unless layabout was spamming F5 and actually managed to post 3 minute after I announced who was masoned, he knew who I masoned. Which pretty much means that there is a tracker in the scum team. (This also means that redFF was likely blue). But if they tracked me, why would they also roleblock me. This doesnt help support layabouts claim. I know, that's why I am asking about it. I want to get this clear and not have someone saying some bullshit like "well I thought it was obvious" tomorrow. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 10:50 GMT
#2375
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 05 2012 17:51 GMT
#2379
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 05:00 GMT
#2432
About the next target: Let's see what happens tonight. Laya please announce your targets something like 60sec before the deadline. If you fail to do so you'll be the next lynch no matter what. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 09:01 GMT
#2435
On March 06 2012 17:56 Cwave wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2012 06:25 kitaman27 wrote: You can call me bad as much as you want. I'm not claiming that I'm the greatest townie to ever play. What I am claiming is that I care about town winning, which simply isn't true for you. Are you admitting 3rd party here? doubt it but even if he is I don't care because it got to be a pro-town 3rd party because he's helping us win this | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 13:07 GMT
#2437
On March 06 2012 21:32 kitaman27 wrote: nope -_- how do you know that? Do you have more information than I do? On a more serious note: BC next no matter what or laya if his calls are bullshit? Yeah either Laya or Tyrran are probably going to be roleblocked anyways but that gives our medic another chance to engage hero mode. Of course that medic only exists if mafia shot yesterday and did not decide to try and save wbg. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 15:24 GMT
#2439
On March 06 2012 23:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2012 22:07 Toadesstern wrote: On March 06 2012 21:32 kitaman27 wrote: nope -_- how do you know that? Do you have more information than I do? On a more serious note: BC next no matter what or laya if his calls are bullshit? Yeah either Laya or Tyrran are probably going to be roleblocked anyways but that gives our medic another chance to engage hero mode. Of course that medic only exists if mafia shot yesterday and did not decide to try and save wbg. Because he is not playing with the same information that you do, there is only one possible explanation for that -_- To give everyone a bit of food for thought here. Assume that redff was a misslynch (as everyone already seems to) and he claimed tracker. He had no reason to lie so lets assume its legit for a second. Blazinghand was a floridian Syllogism was an alchemeist DrH was the forensic expert Dirkzor was the suicide bomber We know that there exists a role called operator or phone operator that masons two people daily. That currently is 6 blue roles. We have 2 people claiming operator, and we have two people claiming kita as coward and toad as avenger. That would make 8 blue roles for town vs 4 mafia who at this point provided the day 1 flip was mafia covered 4 roles. Given that most of the flipped roles were day acting powers (which makes the roleblocker very near useless) it seems unlikely that we have more than 6 roles. Now, everyone will be like "stop spouting nonsense, or shut up scum" or the like. But seriously think this through. Toad claimed a role that conveniently missed. Kita claimed a role that doesn't make sense given the name he claimed of his role. He claimed a role only at mylo (he had his check earlier). Yet both these players are viewed as confirmed. Neither can prove what they say is true and it is pure belief from everyone that they are. Do any of you now see why I view roleclaimers as instantly suspect? There is a reason that the personality role linked to me is shooting roleclaimers. Of toad and kita, I believe both to be lying as that would make more town blue roles than town green roles and it would be double the amount of mafia which also seems unlikely. As such of the two of them one may be actually real. I strongly doubt this but it is possible. As such I strongly believe that there is a red between kita and toad, and a red between layabout and tyrran. Well a couple of points about what you said: 1) I'd say Avenger is a weaker vig. I never heard of that role, I got 1 shot and I can only shoot after a townie got lynched and I can't even fully decide who to shoot. Idk if I would call that a blue, or at least not the kind of blue like a standard medic, a standard DT or whatever you're thinking about. Same about the suicide bomber, Kitas coward-claim, the floridian and the forensic expert (don't know what an alchemist can do so can't judge that). All of those roles are somewhat blue but not the usual strong blue roles, they all got stuff making them weak for whatever reason. 2) For me being confirmed. I am not confirmed because I claimed avenger and I don't think I am confirmed either but if you want to call me confirmed I'd say I'm confirmed because I was attacking wbg from d2 on, was trying to get RoL lynched every single day and only went with someone else after realizing that wbgs manipulation were strong enough for townies to ignore RoL yet another day, hoping my read on wbg was wrong and the read on people like prpl (from kita) or VE (from me) was right. My list was something like WBG, RoL, VE, BC earlier. So far that list is looking pretty decent and while I do have to accept that I was probably wrong on VE I am pretty sure that list will show up as 3/4 right. How many mafia players have you been pushing this game BC? Remember the Toad vs RoL lynch? That was the most important lynch for this game because a mislynch would have been game over without huge saves. 4 People voted me. At that point in time 4 mafia were still alive (assumption := RedFF was a townie). 2 out of those 4 people are confirmed (by flip) mafias. So we still got 2 mafias left and 2 people left who voted me although we had a "DT" who claimed a green check on me and you two guys still did not want to consider RoL as an alternative? Sry BC there's simply no way you are town and it is not that strange that people think I am town as you trying to make it look like. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 19:44 GMT
#2445
My thoughts on layabout/Tyrran is that it's pretty obviously Laya imo. He was in a need to not vote me and this whole "Toad ruined this game and I will never join another game that Toad is playing as well" seems to be an excuse. At least I can't see how I ruined this game and people like Risk, RoL (who at least did that on purpose), prpl, BC, redFF and wbg are all perfectly fine. But maybe that's just me hoping because if it's really true what he said I'm sorry Also I find it more reasonable for someone like Laya to fakeclaim openly like that as mafia than for someone like Tyrran, especially given the AC game. I'm not saying that is something really concrete because obviousl mafia buddies could have told / forced him to do that but it's just a feeling. VE remember our first game playing together as mafia and Jackal thought he might be able to get redFF raging so much that he'll be modkilled? It did not work but I somehow got the feeling wbg was trying the same thing in this game. I don't think BC did a lot to help but sure as hell he knew what kind of player redFF was and a townie BC would not have mentioned redFF like 5 more times d1 to bring up the redFF-is-retarded-topic back to discussion all the time when people (redFF) was cooling down again.. I'd say he did that on purpose as well, just not as much as wbg but he clearly did not help clearing the issue there. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 21:46 GMT
#2453
On March 07 2012 05:13 layabout wrote: EBWOP: who knew that " " " messed up spoilers? Show nested quote + Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway. On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol. Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed. + Show Spoiler [avenger vig is weak if and only if you…] + Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler + since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. well guess what. IF I were a normal vig RoL would have flipped mafia n2. Since I am not I was not allowed to shoot him before n3 making it (thanks to our suicide bomber) the only time I was able to shoot him because if I decided not to shoot that night I could not have shot at all because it would have been lylo and I would have needed a townie lynch. You may whine all you want about how this "helps" people to aim but fact is I wanted to shoot a mafia n2 and was not allowed to because I had to wait another night resulting in shooting him n3 instead. Yes imo it IS a weaker vig because of both, the possible target requirements and the requirements to shoot in the first place. How can you not agree with that? If you think avenger is more noob friendly with downsides that's fine with me but that's not what I was talking about so please stop derailing. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 21:51 GMT
#2455
On March 07 2012 06:42 Jitsu wrote: Hmmmm. To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did? If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that. he never intended to do that. It was something like 3 or 5 mins until deadline and he hoped that some idiot townie would think that a voteswitch to our new and confirmed mafia would be possible. Obviously that kind of thing is not possible when you only got 5 mins left which would have resultet in me being lynched because a townie who was supposed to vote RoL switched to the confirmed new guy = gg for mafia. In that scenario the alignment of the confirmed guy doesn't matter at all because the whole point was to get a single vote off RoL making it a Toad Lynch instead. He can do that with both, townies who "scumslipped" or mafias who really scumslipped or got CC'ed. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 22:02 GMT
#2458
On March 07 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote: I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad. I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy? You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread. Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight) Well if Laya SOMEHOW flips green we definitely need to think about lynching Tyrran 2nd. I'm still not sure if we shouldn't just lynch BC first. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 22:05 GMT
#2460
On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote: I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad. I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy? the reason he picked Laya is because he needed townies to vote someone else and picking Laya is an easier process of thought: Laya claims -> CC -> Laya has to be a mafia; seems pretty straight forward Laya claims -> CC -> CC has to be a liar -> CC has to be mafia; That would have needed a lot of explanation. Again, it was only 5 mins left until deadline, there was simply no time to explain something like that and he went with what looked the most easy. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 22:15 GMT
#2465
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 22:18 GMT
#2467
My 1 KP theory is wrong That leaves us with 3v2 right now under the assumtion that redFF was a townie, right? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 06 2012 22:21 GMT
#2468
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 07 2012 10:29 GMT
#2470
On March 07 2012 19:17 Cwave wrote: Kitaman27 -> 3rd party BloodyCobbler -> Red/?? VisceraEyes -> ?? Layabout -> Red Cwave -> Town Toadesstern -> Town Assuming Redff is town and got concealed at the flip. @ Toadesstern: 2 people died most likely because of the poisoner thing. Poisener is a delayed kill right? Yeah but I thought the poisoner is a 1shot poisoner and he already used it n1. Guess it was a 2shot poisoner? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 07 2012 19:53 GMT
#2474
On March 08 2012 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how I call out (presumably) 3 scums on D1 and I only get a few "???"s. What's a guy gotta do to get some cred up in this piece? Toad what makes you think the poisoner is 1-shot? the fact that we only had 2 kills on n2 so far and everything else was either 1 dead guy or none. However since we had 2 more dead people most recently that theory obviously is proven wrong and there is bound to be more than a 1-shot poisoner. A poisoner is a delayed flip so that could still explain it although RoL is already dead. I doubt mafia has 2 KP + a 1-shot poisoner because that would mean we had HUGE saves, so 1KP + multi-shot poisoner seems to be reasonable. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2012 08:09 GMT
#2488
On March 08 2012 06:05 VisceraEyes wrote: The fact that scum are actively pushing the idea of a third party pretty much confirms for me that there isn't one - I think they've been using the idea as a purchasing mechanism for more time. What do you guys think? If there's a third party, I think we're already screwed based on the numbers...but layabout and WBG planting the idea seems desperate to me. I don't care about third parties because again, there was most likely 4 mafias alive when we decided wether to lynch me or RoL. There were 4 people on me and the rest on RoL. So clearly even if we got third parties they aren't anti-town and therefore I don't even care because they're helping | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2012 22:08 GMT
#2495
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#2497
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2012 22:24 GMT
#2499
On March 09 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 07:09 Toadesstern wrote: It better is a mafia version of our operator because I want to chat with VE! So chat bro. Thread isn't a good enough medium for you in this game of forum Mafia? It would be mason powers! I always wanted to have mason powers once in a game. I was one of the few guys who requested masons to be included in L and scumbag flamewheel made me something else. In arkham city we had the gayphone session and half of the people were invited, myself not included. This game we got an operator and I never got masoned with someone. But yeah this thread will have to do. It's not like someone else is reading LOL | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2012 22:41 GMT
#2501
Kita looks pretty good with those 3 lynches and how he defended me when it was about eiter lynching me or RoL You look pretty townish. I am obviously town. Well and Risk/Cwave looks incredible bad/unreadable but with wbg's flip information we have he's probably pretty confirmed himself. So yeah I'm all up for BC tomorrow. Anyways, I'm off to bed now, see you tomorrow. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 09 2012 22:14 GMT
#2506
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#2572
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 22:17 GMT
#2574
Probably because I liked him having the same conclusion that VE looks bad I had but the moment DocH died RoL obviously was the target to go. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 22:19 GMT
#2576
On March 13 2012 07:17 Toadesstern wrote: Also I said WBG + RoL + BC + VE are mafia something like d2 or d3. Given that VE flipped mafia I'm happy with that although I seriously thought Laya to be town for the most time :p Probably because I liked him having the same conclusion that VE looks bad I had but the moment DocH died RoL obviously was the target to go. EBWOP *flipped 3rd party. I'm allowed to edit now, right? | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 22:59 GMT
#2591
On March 13 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Toad it doesn't matter that you caught any of us when you singlehandedly were one of the worst players for town. Saying something like "I don't care that there's third party when they're helping town" is funny in retrospect, but really really dumb. As town your goal is to kill all nontown, indiscriminately. As the setup is closed you have no idea what you're up against, so you just kill whoeever fits a scum agenda. VE wasn'f playing to his town meta (look at the countercase I built on him d3; 100% of that case, I would repeat as a townie) Layabout and I tried swinging the town lynch onto VE multiple times. Ultimately I think we could have approached that differently and potentially gotten him killed for our gain if we opposed the prpl lynch, or bussed RoL. However in terms of self preservation and not knowing 100% at the time it was difficult to make that assessment. Also something that's funny is that it's really really easy to find third parties as scum. In every scum game I've played that had third party in it, I've caught onto them, with my strongest case often being on them. Ex. MLP tnkted was third party, in L Palmar was traitor, in AC Palmar/Kurumi were third party, and this game with VE. I guess I should push those reads more strongly in thread and back off the obv town mislynches :p yeah but we were at lylo. How can people even suggest talking about 3rd parties when we desperatly need to kill mafia first. That's the point. I did not care about 3rd parties as long as there were confirmed mafias around and the 3rd party thing was a guess which, if wrong, would have caused us to insta-lose the game. Even if it was right lynching the 3rd party instead of a mafia could have lost us the game at some point. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 23:05 GMT
#2593
It's not helping town at all because people will end up thinking I'm retarded or mafia but it's at least helping me out figuring this out. At least that's the reason I was dead certain on WBG, RoL and BC to be mafia, actually should have realized Laya was mafia as well but I was to blinded by my meta-read on VE thinking I got mafia with those 4. Idk, it's probably really bad to do such a thing, because town has no possibility to judge if I'm mafia doing that on purpose or town doing that on purpose and therefore it's getting really hard for town to correctly judge me but it's really nice from your own reads :p And well, imo the thread was semi-dead after a bunch of days and pretty much noone was putting effort in this game so I didn't care about bullshitting at that point in time and just went with it to get at least some nice reads myself. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 23:13 GMT
#2600
On March 13 2012 08:07 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 13 2012 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar was traitor in Responsibility, not L. FOOL! Right, my bad. On March 13 2012 07:59 Toadesstern wrote: On March 13 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Toad it doesn't matter that you caught any of us when you singlehandedly were one of the worst players for town. Saying something like "I don't care that there's third party when they're helping town" is funny in retrospect, but really really dumb. As town your goal is to kill all nontown, indiscriminately. As the setup is closed you have no idea what you're up against, so you just kill whoeever fits a scum agenda. VE wasn'f playing to his town meta (look at the countercase I built on him d3; 100% of that case, I would repeat as a townie) Layabout and I tried swinging the town lynch onto VE multiple times. Ultimately I think we could have approached that differently and potentially gotten him killed for our gain if we opposed the prpl lynch, or bussed RoL. However in terms of self preservation and not knowing 100% at the time it was difficult to make that assessment. Also something that's funny is that it's really really easy to find third parties as scum. In every scum game I've played that had third party in it, I've caught onto them, with my strongest case often being on them. Ex. MLP tnkted was third party, in L Palmar was traitor, in AC Palmar/Kurumi were third party, and this game with VE. I guess I should push those reads more strongly in thread and back off the obv town mislynches :p yeah but we were at lylo. How can people even suggest talking about 3rd parties when we desperatly need to kill mafia first. That's the point. I did not care about 3rd parties as long as there were confirmed mafias around and the 3rd party thing was a guess which, if wrong, would have caused us to insta-lose the game. Even if it was right lynching the 3rd party instead of a mafia could have lost us the game at some point. Except it should've been obvious there was an SK when two people died (IIRC?) Also, generally the only way most SKs can die is through lynch. Which means, at that stage in the game, you have to lynch the SK because otherwise you can't kill him. You can't lynch the sk if it gives the scum team control over the lynch. o.O what Kita said. Just imagine lynching VE instead of BC. Would have left us with Kita and Cwave alive vs BC going into night with 1 KP. That's an insta-lose. It was like that ever since the suicidebomber. There was no way to lynch the SK without outright losing the game. Lynching mafia first was the necessary move and although an SK was on the move we could not afford town to think about stuff like that at that point in time. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 23:15 GMT
#2601
On March 13 2012 08:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 08:05 Toadesstern wrote: oh and yeah about the bullshitting this game. I tend to do that when the thread goes semi-dead and it forces people to talk. It's not helping town at all because people will end up thinking I'm retarded or mafia but it's at least helping me out figuring this out. At least that's the reason I was dead certain on WBG, RoL and BC to be mafia, actually should have realized Laya was mafia as well but I was to blinded by my meta-read on VE thinking I got mafia with those 4. Idk, it's probably really bad to do such a thing, because town has no possibility to judge if I'm mafia doing that on purpose or town doing that on purpose and therefore it's getting really hard for town to correctly judge me but it's really nice from your own reads :p And well, imo the thread was semi-dead after a bunch of days and pretty much noone was putting effort in this game so I didn't care about bullshitting at that point in time and just went with it to get at least some nice reads myself. I was putting in effort you little shit. sry you were one of the few exceptions :p | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#2609
On March 13 2012 08:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 08:07 kitaman27 wrote: On March 13 2012 08:06 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 13 2012 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar was traitor in Responsibility, not L. FOOL! Right, my bad. On March 13 2012 07:59 Toadesstern wrote: On March 13 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Toad it doesn't matter that you caught any of us when you singlehandedly were one of the worst players for town. Saying something like "I don't care that there's third party when they're helping town" is funny in retrospect, but really really dumb. As town your goal is to kill all nontown, indiscriminately. As the setup is closed you have no idea what you're up against, so you just kill whoeever fits a scum agenda. VE wasn'f playing to his town meta (look at the countercase I built on him d3; 100% of that case, I would repeat as a townie) Layabout and I tried swinging the town lynch onto VE multiple times. Ultimately I think we could have approached that differently and potentially gotten him killed for our gain if we opposed the prpl lynch, or bussed RoL. However in terms of self preservation and not knowing 100% at the time it was difficult to make that assessment. Also something that's funny is that it's really really easy to find third parties as scum. In every scum game I've played that had third party in it, I've caught onto them, with my strongest case often being on them. Ex. MLP tnkted was third party, in L Palmar was traitor, in AC Palmar/Kurumi were third party, and this game with VE. I guess I should push those reads more strongly in thread and back off the obv town mislynches :p yeah but we were at lylo. How can people even suggest talking about 3rd parties when we desperatly need to kill mafia first. That's the point. I did not care about 3rd parties as long as there were confirmed mafias around and the 3rd party thing was a guess which, if wrong, would have caused us to insta-lose the game. Even if it was right lynching the 3rd party instead of a mafia could have lost us the game at some point. Except it should've been obvious there was an SK when two people died (IIRC?) Also, generally the only way most SKs can die is through lynch. Which means, at that stage in the game, you have to lynch the SK because otherwise you can't kill him. You can't lynch the sk if it gives the scum team control over the lynch. o.O If I remember right, the town had lost the game right as soon as DrH blew up with whoever that was. At that point you were even numbered with mafia + SK and your only chance was for the SK to kill us which he wouldn't do knowing he would auto win. You kill the SK mafia wins, means you can only lynch mafia and hope the SK fucks up which didn't happen since we were RBing him. Not that anyone really knew he existed at that point, but still. Kind of. WE needed a succesful RB or protection. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 00:24 GMT
#2616
On March 13 2012 08:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 08:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita was putting in effort. DocH was putting in effort. Dirkzor was I think of everyone, I'm the most upset about the showing from BC. Once I was sure he was scum, I kept having this irrational fear of him ruining everything for me. Luckily for me, it never came...but that's an unfortunate side-effect of being anally excavated by scumBC before. I'd like to apologize to DocH - I told my wife the night that DocH was pushing me hard that I poured on the 'offended townie' a little thick and I was afraid I made him feel bad. I've since realized that it was all just part of his game, but I still know I appealed to emotion pretty hard. My bad dude - quit being so good at the game! if i was good we wouldnt have had 3 mislynches in a row this game was embarrassing for me well there were a lot of people who I thought were incredible hard to convince to do the right thing although I had a town read on them. You were not one of them and I only was suspicious of you because I omgus'ed hard and should have realized it was a townie who was seriously in trouble figuring out what was going on with my bullshit while BC, Laya and mostly WBG all were like "LOL HE'S RETARDED, DON'T ASK QUESTIONS, LYNCH HIM RIGHT NAO". That was the most townie thing you could do and yet I did not realize it in time, had doubt about you because of my omgus and completly missed it while focusing on these people who basicly claimed mafia from my point of view | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 01:03 GMT
#2621
On March 13 2012 09:53 Jitsu wrote: I'd also like to apologize for my shitty play too. I got demoralized pretty early, with a few things that just made me feel like no one gave two shits of my views or anything. I figured I wasn't being assertive enough, but IDK...Sorry again dudes. GG VE, sorry I let you down, Town. Thanks a lot to Palmar/Sandro for letting me into this game, and hosting it as well. It was actually really fun. The night when the vote was between RoL and Toad, and I was pretty much the deciding vote...holy shit, I never stirred so much in my career here. I spent the entire last hour of the day pacing back and forth before I was like "Fuck it, going with my gut on RoL." Alas, too little, too late. If anyone has any criticism, comments, or general asshole-tearing of my game play, i'd love to hear it. well you did a good job making sure everyone knows you're a townie imo. While other guys were quite hard to read (like risk / cwave until wbg "confirmed" him d2 or d3) you were one of my stronger townreads besides Jackal and syllo. However I don't remember why :p | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 01:06 GMT
#2623
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 01:58 GMT
#2634
On March 02 2012 07:16 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 07:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol excuse me ? When did I claim scum toad? Coming from someone who has had helvetica gunning for him for the last 30 hours and somehow just lucked into losing a vote you seem to have learned to nut up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58jivLbAtw8 That's literally how I felt in this game, LITERALLY, not even kidding. I was so mad at some points in this game. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 02:26 GMT
#2639
On March 13 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: [...] Anyone who says lynching an sk is a bad move as the sk is playing pro town? You are retarded. Sk's are pro sk. They will help either side as needed to achieve their own win condition. Do not rely on them. When it hit 6v4 it was actually 5v4v1 and town could no longer win. It ended up being a game of determining if scum or sk won, the game should never reach that point so fast. It was not about not lynching the sk, we just had no oppertunity to lynch him. We had a bunch of 100% confirmed mafias and we were in lylo. Yeah we were no longer able to win without a save but given that we needed a save lynching mafias first is the right thing because it gives us multiple nights to get that save while lynching the third party first is risky. I'm perfectly fine with telling people to not think about a "pro-town" 3rd party when we're at lylo as long as there's still mafia alive. We had 2 townies that were INCREDIBLE hard to get on the right lynch and I did not want to lose them to some manipulation from someone else and have people talking about alternatives when we really needed to hit mafia or it's an insta-lose. There was no way to win without protection. To get more chances to get that we obviously take the saver route and lynch mafia first. It's a closed set-up after all and noone knew about mafias abilities. Yeah it's a stupid thing to say a SK is "pro-town" but it got people lynching mafia which was needed. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 02:52 GMT
#2650
When should we have lynched the sk instead? Cwave wasn't even sure who might be the sk the last possible day. You think lynching a day earlier to try and hit the sk instead of the mafia would have been better? That way people at least still got a full 48hours of reads because people finally started to talk, although it did not help. Trying to hit the SK instead of mafia would have been stupid. It would have been more risky, it would take away time to better judge the situation for people and after all it was a closed setup. Yeah it really looked like we got a third party but what if that (although reasonable) assumption would have been wrong? We would have lynched into a townie 100% making us lose. There was not a single reason to try and hit someone else first. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 03:22 GMT
#2654
On March 13 2012 12:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2012 11:52 Toadesstern wrote: Well I said wbg, RoL and Laya are all like 99% confirmed mafia to me and you (BC) are something like 90% for me. When should we have lynched the sk instead? Cwave wasn't even sure who might be the sk the last possible day. You think lynching a day earlier to try and hit the sk instead of the mafia would have been better? That way people at least still got a full 48hours of reads because people finally started to talk, although it did not help. Trying to hit the SK instead of mafia would have been stupid. It would have been more risky, it would take away time to better judge the situation for people and after all it was a closed setup. Yeah it really looked like we got a third party but what if that (although reasonable) assumption would have been wrong? We would have lynched into a townie 100% making us lose. There was not a single reason to try and hit someone else first. You should never have had townies like prpl, redff, and blazing play worse games than any of the scum. We did near fuck all and appeared more town than they did. One or two bad players whatever. But seriously toad, aside from sheep other people you helped keep the thread so cluttered that analyzing people was insanely hard + created an atmosphere that made the game hard to read/keep motivated to play. I know you love this game, and I love seeing that passion. I love that you are trying to get better and I see that. But you need to slow down your posting, take a step back and seriously think things through. The same can be said of a few other players this game but you lived longer. Your claim was bad only in that you could never prove it. You auto confirmed kita as town when up till the point of his claim he had played as badly as I had for very similar reasons. Yet he was confirmed for a lynch that (although we didnt) mafia would easily have pushed. The complete ignoring of basic logical conclusions in a game of manipulation astounds me on so many levels. There is way to much blind trust. BH claimed people were like "hes legit" but his play was bad enough to get him lynched around his claim point Redff claimed and people said "hes obviously town" no he wasnt. Claiming does not mean you are town, ever, unless your role auto confirms you -_- I really tried to calm down this game. I think I mentioned somewhere pretty early that I only had half the filter VE had which is already a big deal for me. I just got really pissed (again) this game seeing people who didn't care at all about this game. I got really mad about risk not playing at all just to find out he's a townie the moment he got replaced out (yeah wifom but whatever) and well d3 or so I realized that there were like 5 people tops who were really willing to play this game so I just ignored my good intentions and just bullshitted to try and fish for reactions. I know that's fucking up the thread and it's really hard (if not impossible) for town to figure out if I'm a townie who's being retarded on purpose or a mafia who's being retarded on purpose but from my point of view it's really easy to figure out mafia that way because I got so many people crawling out of their holes yelling "LYNCH TOAD NAO" being happy to finally contribute at scumhunting. I literally painted myself as a target to figure out mafia myself and yeah that's screwing up the thread but by d2/d3 I really didn't care anymore about the thread because there was nothing imo. Yeah probably pretty selfish and I can see what VE meant when saying something along the lines "Toad is always the most important person in this game in Toads opinion" :p It's just like that every game. I'm getting into the game telling myself "Well this game I'm going to play seriously as town and try standard scumhunting" and once I get pissed about something (like in L after noone was listening to me, like in this game after realizing that noone was playing this game) I just don't feel like putting in more effort anymore and just scumhunt that way because it's way easier. You just can't prove it to other people because noone knows if I'm doing that on purpose or not :p | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 03:46 GMT
#2659
On March 13 2012 12:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Read ver's guide a bunch of times and learn better scumhunting. You weren't really able to explain your convoluted logic for finding scum and I ended up not understanding why you even suspected WBG at all. You were very focused on odd coincidences and WIFOM in this game rather than looking at how scum behave imo Well the issue is that I can't really explain that because it heavily realies on knowing if I am telling the truth or not which you do not know. If I lied about X and Y to get A talking about X, Y and possibly myself I can't tell you that because there's no way I can prove to you that I did that on purpose (or more importantly why I did that on purpose), so I just sticked with my plan to just figure out mafia myself hoping that town would simply believe me when I tell them I did that on purpose after delivering RoL and WBG. Turned out it was pretty hard to convince people to just lynch WBG or RoL :p | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 04:05 GMT
#2662
IT could be interpreted like he wanted to have that information for "somthing" but him being a SK made little sense given the situation. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
March 13 2012 22:03 GMT
#2677
On March 13 2012 17:24 Dirkzor wrote: Thanks for hosting Palmar/Sandroba. Sorry for playing less optimal this game and for blowing up DrH. Syllo already slapped me verbally for that =) I think WBG played really well. One of the reasons that I think I played bad was that I didn't wanted to play. It wasn't enjoyable for me to read, respond and scum hunt this game. This is the only game so far that I've wanted to quit mid game. This was due to the town atmosphere which was, imo, destroyed early day 1 by WBG/redFF. So well played by WBG! Any comments or critismn are welcomed... idk, imo it was more of an angry feeling that town was sheeping so much. Obviously since I was town myself that's what I remeber the most. We had good lynch options every day and every day wbg came along saying "Well if X, Y, Z are our options we should lynch X and not Y and Z" and townies followed him. Worst part is that I did it as well. I was on BC d1 and got freaked out about BH's behavor resulting in me switching to redFF again. Next day we lynched BH although I really wanted RoL or VE dead instead, but in the end I voted BH because noone else was going to hang that day. D3 I really wanted to hang RoL or VE or WBG lynched and kita made his powerranking saying prpl is his #1 read and out of nowhere bugs comes along and says we should proceed to lynch prpl that day and I was sheeping it again because I was really trusting kita at that point in time and ignored RoL, VE and WBG because I did not think it's possible. D4 I said I want to either lynch RoL, VE or WBG again, wbg isnta waltzed in the thread telling me if that's the people I'm willing to lynch we should lynch VE which pretty much sealed the deal on RoL for me :p It was really frustrating because I thought every day the lynch could be better and had to end up with people I was not happy to lynch because I had doubts. | ||
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