Storm Mafia - Page 119

On March 05 2012 17:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, you shot n1?

so you're a confirmed liar now too? well, this is nice

On March 05 2012 17:26 Toadesstern wrote:

no I did not. I just mentioned my shot as an explanation for mafia having a medic as well. Probably shouldn't have done that under my "n1 part" or at least highlighted that my shot still was on n3.

What you said about the poisoner being oneshot is true. Maybe it's a twoshot poisoner and we had another protection on n3 resulting in only one flip but I'm pretty sure I mentioned the possibility somewhere. Anyways n4 had no kills and the shitstorm (for mafia) started AFTER the night action deadline yet BEFORE we lynched RoL. So they would have used his ability it it's an unlimited ability.

Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills.
Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well.
However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing.

About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one.

Maybe it's a 1-shot poisoner, sounds a little weak but it sure looks like what we got according the kills.
Maybe it's a 2-shot poisoner, sounds reasonable but we're missing a kill so that would mean 2 protections imo, which is fine for me as well.
However I doubt it was unlimited because of the shitstorm-timing.

About you're question why should mafia chose to not shoot? To save your ass and buff your medic claim or to confuse us and make us think they wanted to save your ass, therefore painting you read. I'm totally happy with lynching you since it's the first one.

On March 05 2012 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


We don't know how medic protections work against poisoners (heck we don't even know how the poisoner works) so we're still just makings assumptions here. Unnecessary ones at that.

Besides; my original point was that kita was trying to use the 2 KP argument as to why I shouldn't have acted last night. Based on only kurumi dying on n3 I see no reason to even assume there was 2 consistent KP to begin with. So why would he say that?



cause the lack of a kill is clearly saving me right now, right?

And, I already refuted what you just said. If I'm mafia, not shooting would save me, at best, for one day. That accomplishes nothing because I die the next day (since kita would be town) and mafia would not win. Secondly, though this is not as conclusive as what I just said, if I'm mafia, why would I pick VE to call confirmed town and not my buddy between layabout+Tyrran? Why pick VE over anyone else, when for a whole day I pushed VE? VE would be the last person I would call confirmed town, simply because if I were mafia I'd be trying to lynch him right now. Just look at what he's doing (aka nothing). He'd be a great target to call scum, not town.
What's funniest is that you just fucked up your fake vig claim. Too bad once I die town loses, since I'm the only one capable of stopping a night hit :/

On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.

yay logic.

also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?

I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.

And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum.

On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:

they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time.

I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game.

On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:

they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time.

I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game.

On March 05 2012 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote:


no.
1)
a counterclaim right now would be a mafia counterclaim to ensure my lynch. Why? Because even if there is somehow ANOTHER town medic (which would be fucking broken, 3 prot roles in a game with max 2 scum KP) if they believed I was scum lying about my claim they would have counterclaimed a long time ago. Indeed the only reason they would do that is if they themselves protected VE.
2)
However scum, if bold enough, would counterclaim me right now because no one would move their vote off me in that case. Given the state of this game and how it's played out, though, scum are not that bold, they're lurking pussies. That's why I didn't hesitate in claiming yesterday (it was also because I made a realization that was so huge I needed to claim in order for it to make sense) and that's also why I don't fear a scum counterclaim. They'd just out themselves unnecessarily and if there is a KP role left when I die they'd risk getting shot, particularly as they don't need to do anything more to ensure my lynch.

The funniest part about yesterday was kita claiming a weaker version of what I claimed, a couple hours after I claimed in the QT.
3)
Anyone who actually wants to win as town, just ask yourself those questions that I posed earlier in the thread and you'll see why kita can't possibly be town. Why as a town role that confirms people would he ever visit someone other than syllo n1? Why wouldn't he visit me? Why would he visit Toad? Why would he visit Cwave (the fuck?)

Why wouldn't he visit BC? Or RoL? Or me? Or syllo? Or VE? All of these players are better potential checks than ANY of the players he considered. Visiting Cwave (rofl) is just retarded, and kita is not that dumb as town.

These "checks" are essentially of the same caliber as supersoft's from PYP:I. He was scum hider, and he hid behind people who were never going to get shot. He was dumb enough to truthfully provide these, so I got town to nuke him.

On March 05 2012 19:11 Tyrran wrote:


That's a pretty weak argument. If they had received their PM and were town, they would have claimed by now.

There is something that doesn't make sense. Unless layabout was spamming F5 and actually managed to post 3 minute after I announced who was masoned, he knew who I masoned. Which pretty much means that there is a tracker in the scum team. (This also means that redFF was likely blue). But if they tracked me, why would they also roleblock me. This doesnt help support layabouts claim.

On March 05 2012 19:15 Toadesstern wrote:

1) We've got a suicide bomber who killed DocH. You really think so? Or could it POSSIBLY be a medic who doesn't want to claim because he's a medic and simply thinks you're mafia as well, therefore thinking something along the lines "well better only claim when it's needed" or someone who isn't aware of what might be imba and what not? You're telling me all game long that I need to stop speculate about this game and how it is designed, yet you're allowed to do that?

2) Mafia clearly has no interest in counterclaiming you. That could be both, mafia being happy to see you lynched without doing a shit or mafia not willing to sacrifice another of thir members. So idk if they should or would do that.

3) I think the important part here is not to die while confirming townies because right now we need every townie alive? Especially townies who can play this game

2) Mafia clearly has no interest in counterclaiming you. That could be both, mafia being happy to see you lynched without doing a shit or mafia not willing to sacrifice another of thir members. So idk if they should or would do that.

3) I think the important part here is not to die while confirming townies because right now we need every townie alive? Especially townies who can play this game

On March 04 2012 09:12 kitaman27 wrote:


Because I chose to check jackal instead.

Then explain toad? Explain cwave of all people? You are obviously picking people who have a less likely chance of being shot who overall have very little impact on the game at hand in a pro town manner. Jackal? He flipped town and was acting scummy. Toad? he has been pushing people and has been wrong more than right given that he was on bad lynches as well as many others. Cwave? Replaced an inactive player only to be inactive himself. None of your checks actually bare any relevance on the game. You aren't attempting to catch reds given that you only "breadcrumbed" one check and have since just claimed to have cleared someone. As scum you can easily clear townies / clear your own team just as easily. Given that you also didn't want people to use their powers last night also screams anti town. Why? Because you are actively telling people who could potentially out you as what you are to not do so to keep yourself under cover.



You do realize that isn't something that makes you pro-town right? It's day five and you have yet to push a lynch. Even in this post, you are more interested in defending yourself than suggesting who we should target moving forward.

I have actually been defending and analyzing people. I have yet to heavy heavy push people. However given that you only pushed a lynch near everyone wanted and aside from that never have you are again as guilty as I am. You can keep pointing your finger at me but you are guilty of the same behaviour and thus in the same boat. The difference is you presume to believe otherwise.



Then why were you and bugs so dedicated to keep him alive? If everyone wanted him dead, why did you refuse to vote for him? Instead, you're voting for a player who you have never commented over the player you indicated you found as scum.

Simple. With very very very little kick back from a lynch the lynch will near always hit a townie. Given that it was potentially a mylo situation why would I opt for the "easy" lynch when instead vote to get someone I feel has a higher chance of flipping red die? I voted for a player I believe to be playing actively against the towns best interest. RoL where being inactive and unhelpful was not near as damaging as a player who was active and actively cluttering the game with useless posts.



I released my check before he died. It was only safe once to crumb because from then on I was open to roleblock. Yes, I could have been roleblocked on day one, but the risk/reward made it worth it. I've revealed my green check on cwave last night.

You assume there is a roleblocker. You assume that if you only crumbed the once that you would never be roleblocked after that if there is a roleblocker. The chances of you being roleblocked at any given time were still possible yet you treat all your "checks" as if they were auto confirmed. They are in fact not. If mafia has a roleblocker you could have been roleblocked. If a medic protected you it stands to reason that if you checked a red you would not die? If that is false then you would have to clarify. However it is possible night actions kept you alive when your check actually hit a red. You do not talk about this, instead act as if your checks were 100%. This is just not true



lol

You should laugh, being in the same boat as me when i play badly is never fun



Checking RoL would have resulted in my death. There is little reason for me to sacrifice myself, when I can get him lynched during the day. Why would I check a scum suspect? I am looking to confirm town players, not kill myself off. I don't need to check you to confirm you as mafia.

You did not know checking him would have resulted in your death unless you knew this BEFORE HIS LYNCH. Instead you could "assume checking him would have resulted in my death". However again you did not check players who were "scummy" yet had a high % chance of flipping town. You opted for people who would be unlikely to get shot. As for looking to confirm town? Near every dt starts by confirming decent players or damning them. You have not done this. Until the potential mylo stage where you were herp derping around your life to get a top level mafia player insta killed would have been worth the trade as instead of multiple misslynches a mafia would have died early. Your point is invalid.



That's not a serious question right? If I checked a player and died it would have been 3v3 if hits went through. You would have liked that, wouldn't you.

Except you are not saying why you would not have checked a better player the two nights previous. Why on n2 did you not go "hmm i see x y and z are all big names and if town would be helpful and if mafia would die instantly and thus put town in a better spot" Lynching 1 mafia earlier in the game would have kept town from this retarded spot we are currently in. You had this power yet did not do so, why? Why would you wait till the worst possible situation for town to be in to walk in and begin "confirming" people with your power.



It's really annoying to have to deal with confirmed townies isn't it. Your scumbuddy bugs is saying that he got roleblocked when protecting me as a weak doctor. Can't have it both ways.

I am merely pointing out that you don't talk about the possibility. If you keep pointing out how mafia roles could be intereacting with other peoples powers you should be doing the exact same thing in your own posts. Why? Transparency. Town has no reason to not be transparent yet you are trudging along like you are confirmed town. There is actually no way to confirm anything you have said thus far except in death. You and I both know this yet you don't mention it. By not mentioning the actual facts here you are hiding information from the town and thus showing you are playing only for yourself.



Lets not play dumb. Are you saying you can't look at the setup and say scum has at least 1kp + RoL's poison from last night?

You talked about their KP as if it was a static # not a variable one. You also were doing this before RoL flipped. Don't use information garnered via a death to confirm previous statements before said death. Also, speaking in absolutes implies you had information before it was revealed which again is something a townie would not know.



Yep confirming the player that was about to get lynched at lylo is an extremely wtf manner of use.

You had no way of knowing who was going to get lynched. You also held onto that check when he was receiving heat for days about it. Why did you not claim before DrH got gunned down by a town vig to stop the train there? You had many opportunities to "clear" said player well before the lylo stage given that at this point in time you had 4 checks available to use and instead have only claimed 3? You had that check by reason on toad beginning of day 3 and instead sat back and waited. Seems pretty sketch to me



I don't need to refuse this. My actions and yours already have.

Your actions are actually the reasons for my posts. Thus yes you do have to refute this. Aside from pushing a lynch that was not actually your own you have been playing as terribly as I have. Anyone who actually goes through your posts and reads them would actually understand this. You just happen to be lucky that town likes to auto believe claimers.

The biggest question left to town today is if bugs or BC has the better mafia role to get rid of.