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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
One of them is sure to be scum right? Is it possible we have 2 operators, 1 scum and 1 town? Any chance of them both being town? Tyrran/Layabout: Please explain your actions this game. Give reasoning for your choices for masons. Layabout has a head start. ##Vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
We only had one pair of people who were able to talk to each other. A townie being allowed to talk to someone else would have claimed that. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
Medic, my ass. Is there a possibility scum has a delay power? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Kita conveniently flips between non-consideration of roleblocks and consideration of roleblocks as if he knows where they've been going every night. When I said I visited him he says I must assume he is 100% town but when something is not in his favor he says you can't make a proper determination because of the possibility of a roleblock. Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Unless there is another protective role, which I highly doubt, I am the sole reason for mafia KP fluctuating. As in, I've been stopping shots almost every night. Yet you guys are willing to kill me over kita simply because he was correct once on a lynch. (and don't give me that "mafia could hold their shots" bullshit, they wouldn't hold their shots on multiple nights) What's funny is that being on RoL is not alignment indicative at all when everyone called him scum. Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
This is also why I'm being lynched today; I'm the easy lynch. Tomorrow they're going to try to lynch someone other than layabout/Tyrran because that will win them the game, since their night shot becomes unblockable. That target is probably going to be BC. VE, this is all on you. You're the only 100% confirmed town right now. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Kita asks me why I would protect on a night with 2 KP...AFTER a poisoner flipped. So did scum have 2 KP last night? Why wouldn't I protect? Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Anyway if Kita is scum or third party he's going to win this game. Hopefully as town too. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:39 kitaman27 wrote: Poisoner is a delayed kp, meaning he kills the night after his death. Hopefully as town too. How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets? At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: How do we know that it functions like that in this game? I've never played with a poisoner before. Do we know how medic protections work against poisoned targets? Dunno, you're supposed to be the medic. You asking how your own role works? :p On March 05 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote: At any rate there is no plausible explanation for there being 0 KP last night other than me blocking a mafia hit on VE. If there really was 2 KP then someone else also stopped a shot, but that seems unlikely. Maybe you decided not to shoot? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:51 kitaman27 wrote: Dunno, you're supposed to be the medic. You asking how your own role works? :p Maybe you decided not to shoot? So first you say mafia had 2 KP last night, which contradicts the evidence of the flip. Then you say "maybe mafia decided not to shoot," which by your logic should still leave 1 KP. Which one is it, kita? You can't have it both ways. Also yes, I know my own role but I have no idea what would happen if I targeted the target of the poisoner. If it's a delayed kill I have no clue whether I save the target on the night of the action or the night of the kill. If VE was the target of a delayed poison from n3 and I protected him AND mafia held their shot then it would make sense. However since I see no reason for mafia to hold their shot in that situation (they would surely kill two people to bring the game to 4v3/4v2) I don't find that plausible at all. The only other case is that there exists another blue role that stopped the second KP. I find that unlikely as well simply based on the number of blues that have to exist. There's a phone op and me still alive; that's two. Four blues have flipped, that's 6. An avenger has claimed and based on pure statistics there's a >50% chance he'll flip town. I don't think another protective role is likely at all. So what gives, kita? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 05 2012 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: So first you say mafia had 2 KP last night, which contradicts the evidence of the flip. Then you say "maybe mafia decided not to shoot," which by your logic should still leave 1 KP. Which one is it, kita? You can't have it both ways. You win bugs! I'm not sure how your mafia mechanics work out. Feel free to share. On March 05 2012 07:57 wherebugsgo wrote: So what gives, kita? So you're a claimed weak doctor that decides to protect VE knowing that if VE is scum you will die. Instead of announcing in the thread who you protected, you decided to wait until after the night post where there were no deaths. It's almost as if you knew you wouldn't die. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 05 2012 09:04 kitaman27 wrote: You win bugs! I'm not sure how your mafia mechanics work out. Feel free to share. So you're a claimed weak doctor that decides to protect VE knowing that if VE is scum you will die. Instead of announcing in the thread who you protected, you decided to wait until after the night post where there were no deaths. It's almost as if you knew you wouldn't die. Actually yeah, I was certain I wouldn't die because I assumed mafia would roleblock me. I forgot that one of Tyrran+Layabout would probably be roleblocked over me. I even said "I'm 100% sure I won't die tonight" very early in the night for exactly that reason. I hadn't sent in an action until very late, and Palmar asked me if I wanted to send anything in before he closed. I said alright fine protect VE. Then I just went and did homework. I figured there was no reason to breadcrumb when I was 100% roleblock material for an easy lynch today. When I came back, I saw no one died and no one was masoned, which could mean only one thing: I protected a shot last night. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 05 2012 09:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I hadn't sent in an action until very late, and Palmar asked me if I wanted to send anything in before he closed. I said alright fine protect VE. Then I just went and did homework. Lets not talk about interactions with the host. RoL tried that too with his "Palmar told me I had to vote or I'll be modkilled". Jitsu and Tyrran, will you vote bugs now? We still have to vote together incase of a Floridian. I understand that you want to go after layabout today Tyrran, but the town doesn't have the same information you do. Lets give your operator participants claim another go tomorrow. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 05 2012 09:22 kitaman27 wrote: Lets not talk about interactions with the host. RoL tried that too with his "Palmar told me I had to vote or I'll be modkilled". Jitsu and Tyrran, will you vote bugs now? We still have to vote together incase of a Floridian. I understand that you want to go after layabout today Tyrran, but the town doesn't have the same information you do. Lets give your operator participants claim another go tomorrow. let me guess...if they don't vote me, they're scum. woo | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Mafia has 1 KP + a oneshot-Poisoner. N1 someone was protected. Most likely someone like kita or syllo or whatever. I do think we have a "normal" medic and a mafia medic for various reasons. Or a town medic + a mafia RB. Or a town medic + mafia RB + mafia medic. Anyways, I shot RoL and he was still alive. Protecting him would be an easy choice to have, roleblocking me would not be THAT hard given I slipped I am a vig if people took what I said for real and not for a question. So maybe I got roleblocked that night but I'd say medic sounds more reasonable. N2 noone was protected. Syllo got shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. Jackal was the same. Either shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. N3 we had a single kill again. N4 we either had a medic other than WBG OR if mafia really is as fucked as it seems to: They decided to not shoot at all to buff up their "WBG is a medic, he saved one yesterday" claim. 1KP + 1 shot Poisoner seems to explain everything pretty neatly. Maybe it was a 2 shot poisoner and he had a save on n3 as well idk. I mean, why of all people should mafia shoot VE? 2 days ago I was all over him and I'd take him to lategame any second as mafia if he's a townie simply given that they might think I'm tunneling hardcore. Protecting VE might make sense if wbg is town. Roleblocking WBG makes sense from mafia point of view if WBG really is town, however this whole bullshit is just way to convenient and we got shitloads of evidence on wbg. He is a mafia trying to save his ass. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 05 2012 15:56 Toadesstern wrote: mighty Captain-Toad to the rescue (Haven't read a thing yet): Mafia has 1 KP + a oneshot-Poisoner. N1 someone was protected. Most likely someone like kita or syllo or whatever. I do think we have a "normal" medic and a mafia medic for various reasons. Or a town medic + a mafia RB. Or a town medic + mafia RB + mafia medic. Anyways, I shot RoL and he was still alive. Protecting him would be an easy choice to have, roleblocking me would not be THAT hard given I slipped I am a vig if people took what I said for real and not for a question. So maybe I got roleblocked that night but I'd say medic sounds more reasonable. N2 noone was protected. Syllo got shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. Jackal was the same. Either shot or dropped dead after being poisoned n1. N3 we had a single kill again. N4 we either had a medic other than WBG OR if mafia really is as fucked as it seems to: They decided to not shoot at all to buff up their "WBG is a medic, he saved one yesterday" claim. 1KP + 1 shot Poisoner seems to explain everything pretty neatly. Maybe it was a 2 shot poisoner and he had a save on n3 as well idk. I mean, why of all people should mafia shoot VE? 2 days ago I was all over him and I'd take him to lategame any second as mafia if he's a townie simply given that they might think I'm tunneling hardcore. Protecting VE might make sense if wbg is town. Roleblocking WBG makes sense from mafia point of view if WBG really is town, however this whole bullshit is just way to convenient and we got shitloads of evidence on wbg. He is a mafia trying to save his ass. So you make the assumption that the poisoner is one shot...okay. On what basis? With the number of already-flipped blues in this setup, you think it's balanced for mafia to have one KP and a one shot poisoner? rofl. Second, apparently you haven't been reading. N1, the only two medic actions that occurred were me on syllo and syllo on kita. Either kita got shot or syllo got shot; we don't know for sure. One of syllo or Jackal most likely got poisoned n1 and the other one got shot n2. Kurumi had to be shot n3 unless they poisoned chaoser n2. N4 no one died, again, why would mafia choose not to shoot? They have an easy lynch on me; they can easily shoot any of the remaining townies and get that much closer to victory. With 3 scum alive a mislynch would bring it to 4v3 and they would win after one more shot. This makes total sense in light of kita being scum because he has to do nothing to get me lynched. I told you all VE was my best townread yesterday. That was my hint for who my intended target was going to be. Did I breadcrumb it before the nightpost? No, because I didn't submit anything until very late. I decided to go with VE anyway because I figured I might as well if I had the remotest chance of stopping a hit (and that chance is 0 if I don't submit an action.) Kita now is attempting to argue two things at once. He tried the "if mafia has 2 KP why would you act" argument, when I know there was likely only 1 KP the night Kurumi died, unless they double hit Kurumi (why the fuck would anyone do that) and the mafia poisoner had just flipped. When that failed he flipped over to the "you scum held your shot" argument, which obviously is easily refuted when you consider the fact that it makes absolutely 0 sense for scum to hold a shot at this stage of the game. The game is not instantly won by one action, thus holding a shot is retarded. In Mini X or whenever it was that I held a shot, for example, I did it because it would win me the game if I just got one lynch off. In this case from the perspective of "wbg is scum" it makes no sense for me to hold a shot. If I hold a shot and then force a mislynch as scum, how am I going to win in the next cycle? At best it's 5v3 and then day starts as 4v3. I would be instantly lynched and it goes back to 4v2. Roleblocking WBG makes sense from mafia point of view if WBG really is town, however this whole bullshit is just way to convenient and we got shitloads of evidence on wbg. He is a mafia trying to save his ass. Clearly you still either lack reasoning skills, or you're the third scum. Roleblocking me makes 0 sense because the scum were forced to roleblock into Tyrran/layabout. If they roleblocked me, the guy between Tyrran/layabout who is not scum would be able to confirm himself and the other would die. What evidence do you have on me? I'd love for you to actually show me the case on me, since so far all I've heard is...well..nothing. The only thing that is not going in my favor is that I didn't vote to kill RoL. That's not "shitloads of evidence" and in fact it's not even alignment indicative. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He'll probably answer with "me" because this game revolves around him -_- | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
so you're a confirmed liar now too? well, this is nice  | ||
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