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Also, I was never actually mason'd.
@VE, I typed this up yesterday, but had qualms about posting it. If you are here, and still give any fucks, read it and give me an opinion.
I kinda disregarded it as not logical, but I actually am not sure anymore. Read it and see if it makes sense. I read it over and revised it a bit, and i'm torn between this line of thinking (below) and sticking with my gut.
+ Show Spoiler +Thoughts on Layabout/Tyrran, and actually what the rest of the game looks like -
I'm actually convinced more to the fact that Tyrran is scum, but only by a small margin. I was thinking about it the last day and a half, and it's the only thing that I can come up with.
LayAbout claims Operator. He explains his reasoning as to who and why he mason'd. 5 minutes left in the day, and Tyrran joins the thread and claims "Phone Operator" and that LayAbout is scum. RoL changes his vote from Toad to LayAbout.
Before I continue, why would a mafia player do that? Why would a player, who is about to be lynched, vote for another player on their team to throw votes off of them? It doesn't make sense, because not only is a mafia player going to be lynched anyway (if the majority of town has second thoughts), but you just revealed who another mafia player is.
So Tyrran comes in and Counter-Claims, RoL votes for LayAbout, no one buys it, RoL is lynched and flips red.
Night occurs, Day comes and no one dies. Not going to bother commenting on that, since there could be so many possibilities, and it's all conjecture.
The real operator, who let's say is LayAbout, connects me and Cwave, but since he was outed in the thread, there is a large possibility he was role-blocked (this could have happened to either operator) which is why we didn't get connected. However, Tyrran came into the thread first, before LayAbout, to reveal who he connected. How would someone NOT the Operator know who was connected? It would mean that one of the two people connected was a mafia player.
Cwave and I were connected, however, I had no knowledge of this. I believe that I was roleblocked and not let into the Mason QT. However, Cwave was, and knew that we were supposed to be connected. Cwave told Tyrran, who reported his connection to the thread, before LayAbout.
But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum.
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Like, after reading it again, it's actually a moot point for me. I feel that i'm subconsciously voting for WBG because, even if he isn't scum, he's done one fucking great job killing town atmosphere regardless.
Whatever. Let me know if my line of thinking could be accurate.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
[QUOTE]On March 06 2012 04:44 Jitsu wrote:
But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum.
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If me, Tyrrann, and Cwave are all scum, then why do we all vote RoL yesterday?
If all the town players are on the mislynch and all the scum players are on the legit lynch, then why isn't the game over? You're looking for conspiracy theories instead of looking at logic. You shouldn't have to go with your gut, there is more than enough evidance supporting the fact that wherebugsgo is scum.
I'll respond to BC at 4pm Est, but I have to go to a talk right now.
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[QUOTE]On March 06 2012 04:51 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 06 2012 04:44 Jitsu wrote:
But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum.
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If me, Tyrrann, and Cwave are all scum, then why do we all vote RoL yesterday?
If all the town players are on the mislynch and all the scum players are on the legit lynch, then why isn't the game over? You're looking for conspiracy theories instead of looking at logic. You shouldn't have to go with your gut, there is more than enough evidance supporting the fact that wherebugsgo is scum.
I'll respond to BC at 4pm Est, but I have to go to a talk right now.[/QUOTE]
thats wifom. Mafia would have every reason to off RoL yesterday just as town would have reasons. -_- Seriously dude you know this.
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On March 06 2012 04:44 Jitsu wrote:Also, I was never actually mason'd. @VE, I typed this up yesterday, but had qualms about posting it. If you are here, and still give any fucks, read it and give me an opinion. I kinda disregarded it as not logical, but I actually am not sure anymore. Read it and see if it makes sense. I read it over and revised it a bit, and i'm torn between this line of thinking (below) and sticking with my gut. + Show Spoiler +Thoughts on Layabout/Tyrran, and actually what the rest of the game looks like -
I'm actually convinced more to the fact that Tyrran is scum, but only by a small margin. I was thinking about it the last day and a half, and it's the only thing that I can come up with.
LayAbout claims Operator. He explains his reasoning as to who and why he mason'd. 5 minutes left in the day, and Tyrran joins the thread and claims "Phone Operator" and that LayAbout is scum. RoL changes his vote from Toad to LayAbout.
Before I continue, why would a mafia player do that? Why would a player, who is about to be lynched, vote for another player on their team to throw votes off of them? It doesn't make sense, because not only is a mafia player going to be lynched anyway (if the majority of town has second thoughts), but you just revealed who another mafia player is.
So Tyrran comes in and Counter-Claims, RoL votes for LayAbout, no one buys it, RoL is lynched and flips red.
Night occurs, Day comes and no one dies. Not going to bother commenting on that, since there could be so many possibilities, and it's all conjecture.
The real operator, who let's say is LayAbout, connects me and Cwave, but since he was outed in the thread, there is a large possibility he was role-blocked (this could have happened to either operator) which is why we didn't get connected. However, Tyrran came into the thread first, before LayAbout, to reveal who he connected. How would someone NOT the Operator know who was connected? It would mean that one of the two people connected was a mafia player.
Cwave and I were connected, however, I had no knowledge of this. I believe that I was roleblocked and not let into the Mason QT. However, Cwave was, and knew that we were supposed to be connected. Cwave told Tyrran, who reported his connection to the thread, before LayAbout.
But Cwave was confirmed as a Town player, by kita. So that would mean that, all of Tyrran, Cwave, and kita would be the last remaining Scum.
But that would make Cwave confirmed by scum - which doesn't mean anything. I don't know, I think WBG, BC and Layabout are the scums and we're just second guessing. Resolve.
WBG would be in here having a conniption fit if he were town - the fact that he's not here makes me think he's trying to set me up for a fall by 'confirming' me when he knows he's about to flip red.
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On March 06 2012 05:33 Jitsu wrote:
@Kita?
yea. i was responding to kita
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I was at class -_-
Anyway, I already explained why I chose VE; after yesterday by process of elimination he became my strongest scumread,
If kita is scum and one of Tyrran/layabout is scum then obviously the chance of me hitting scum in the remaining 8 players is very low (and at this point it's likely to be Toad.)
Why should I bother doing anything at this point when no one is playing the game? I've logically refuted every singl point made against me (there hasn't been much) and I've shown exactly why we should be lynching Kita. But because
TL mafia is obsessed with a results-oriented approach, you guys are going to end up fucking yourselves.
Kita wins :p
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*townread
Good god I'm tired
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And Kita, like Toad, says there's more than enough evidence to support lynching me but no one has supported the lynch with a shred of evidence. ofc at this point it's fruitless for me to ask because it's
Kita and Toad repeatedly shutting down all doubts and they're scum.
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And by your estimation, in a game this dead, where "no one is playing the game", the scumteam all hopped on a SCUM member rather than all hopping on a townie? That's what you're saying?
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You're saying that there was a two-way scum lynch yesterday, and scum were all on one and town were all on the other - that's what you're suggesting?
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On March 06 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
You're saying that there was a two-way scum lynch yesterday, and scum were all on one and town were all on the other - that's what you're suggesting?
Town had to be on both, but scum were probably all on one, yes.
Either that or I'm just wrong about Toad and someone else like Cwave is scum.
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And also there are some people marginally playing, and in retrospect RoL was indefensible. Everyone believed he was scum.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 06 2012 04:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Then explain toad? Explain cwave of all people? You are obviously picking people who have a less likely chance of being shot who overall have very little impact on the game at hand in a pro town manner. Jackal? He flipped town and was acting scummy. Toad? he has been pushing people and has been wrong more than right given that he was on bad lynches as well as many others. Cwave? Replaced an inactive player only to be inactive himself. None of your checks actually bare any relevance on the game.
A guy like toad is dangerous because as town, he has had a history of being all over the place. The risk/cwave pair have nearly no posts in the thread. In this case, an alignment check is necessary because there just isn't enough information in the thread to analyze.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have actually been defending and analyzing people. I have yet to heavy heavy push people. However given that you only pushed a lynch near everyone wanted and aside from that never have you are again as guilty as I am. You can keep pointing your finger at me but you are guilty of the same behaviour and thus in the same boat. The difference is you presume to believe otherwise.
It's day five. If you have yet to heavy heavy push people, you don't have the town's best interest in mind. It's a lot easier to defend your scumbuddies than to push them for a lynch.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Simple. With very very very little kick back from a lynch the lynch will near always hit a townie. Given that it was potentially a mylo situation why would I opt for the "easy" lynch when instead vote to get someone I feel has a higher chance of flipping red die?
Of course there was a lot of kickback. RoL was up for discussion for three whole cycles and continued to be ignored. Even after a green check on the alternative, four players decided they would rather vote toad than RoL. I practically had to beg for votes. How can you say that was an easy lynch?
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The chances of you being roleblocked at any given time were still possible yet you treat all your "checks" as if they were auto confirmed. They are in fact not.
My checks would be much less reliable under normal circumstances. However, when a player like bugs uses logic that is so painfully obvious coming from a scum mindframe, it is the least of my worries.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You should laugh, being in the same boat as me when i play badly is never fun
You can call me bad as much as you want. I'm not claiming that I'm the greatest townie to ever play. What I am claiming is that I care about town winning, which simply isn't true for you.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As for looking to confirm town? Near every dt starts by confirming decent players or damning them. You have not done this. Until the potential mylo stage where you were herp derping around your life to get a top level mafia player insta killed would have been worth the trade as instead of multiple misslynches a mafia would have died early. Your point is invalid.
The biggest names aren't necessarily the biggest threats. I don't need a check on you, bugs, or RoL if you are pushing ideas that don't make logical sense. You seem awful hostile towards the fact that I pushed RoL's lynch. Why so mad?
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why would you wait till the worst possible situation for town to be in to walk in and begin "confirming" people with your power.
So you're advocating that dt's should reveal their checks as soon as they come around? I hardly see how my claim was the worst possible time for town. In fact, it was the worst possible time for scum considering how you guys decided to all-in without knowledge of my role. There is no reason to provide the scum team with additional knowledge they don't need.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I am merely pointing out that you don't talk about the possibility.
Noted. I have certainly considered it. However, I would push bug's lynch regardless of my checks today.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why did you not claim before DrH got gunned down by a town vig to stop the train there?
lol now you're trying to pin that on me? I was supposed to anticipate a town suicide bomber making a silly choice? Had I claimed earlier in the day, you and bugs wouldn't have committed to lynching RoL. In fact, I bet you would have gone with the bus and we would be in a much worse situation today.
On March 04 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Aside from pushing a lynch that was not actually your own you have been playing as terribly as I have. Anyone who actually goes through your posts and reads them would actually understand this. You just happen to be lucky that town likes to auto believe claimers.
Bugs liked to call me terrible too. Must be an excuse for those who can't call me scum.
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On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game.
To repeat, i didnt get any notification about mason action or whatever.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
So Tyrran/Layabout, why isn't your vote on bugs? Do you really care more about pushing your own lynch, voting by yourself at a time where you clearly aren't going to be successful? There is still a threat of a vote manipulation role so if you care about winning, you need to vote with town.
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Actually Kita claimed at the time he claimed to make my claim look bad.
Basically what happened was he undercut my claim by claiming first, and I imagine that he used the time in-between when I claimed and he claimed to come up with the checks.
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@VE, yeah, I agree. Second guessing sucks.
Follow that gut.
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On March 06 2012 06:26 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote:On March 05 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
-_- how thick are you? Both Jitsu and Cwave denied getting any PMs about being masoned, which means I WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.
yay logic.
also how the fuck did layabout suddenly become my scumbuddy? what is this bs?
I didn't claim to be roleblocked today. In fact, I claim today I couldn't have been roleblocked except in the remote circumstance that there is more than one scum roleblocker. The idea itself is senseless. And, of course I protected someone. If there was another protective role, they would have counterclaimed me because that would 100% hammer my lynch.
And yet again you dodge my question regarding the evidence for me being scum. they claimed that after 10mins of the new day while palmar obviously was busy. That's why I am asking about this again. Could very well be palmar who was busy and therefore did not send out pm's in time. I don't really know if we should make a medic claim though. Not to mention if you're really town you know damn well that a mafia could just fake claim that and given the situation make us mislynch into losing the game. To repeat, i didnt get any notification about mason action or whatever.
He admitted he's not reading posts, so he's never going to see that.
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