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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On the issue of RoL:
By not taking care of him on day two or day three we're in a tough spot. If he's town then the game is probably over. If we don't lynch him today, do we pass him up when its 4v3? If we don't lynch him then, do we pass him up when its 3v2? 2v1?
Lets look at Coupes Mini Mafia where he was scum:
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On November 04 2011 22:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sorry guys, I have been a bit busy. I have a class but will be home in a few hours and can post.
On November 05 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, well I just got back from school and haven't read shit all so it might take me a little while to catch up. Until then if there is anything important I should know, feel free to reply. It shouldn't take me more than an hour or two to catch up depending on the spam content.
On November 06 2011 19:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just skimmed the last page, I am sorry about my inactivity, I will be able to contribute tomorrow at around 4-5pm because that's when I get out of work. I keep getting sidelined by real life stuff lately, once again my apologies.
On November 07 2011 22:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just got to my internship, saw that on my way out of my house. I was going to catch up now. M
Despite these promises of contribution, he was perfectly content to sitting by and watch the town mislynch, while surviving until LYLO. He blatantly abused the fact that town will not lynch a player who has no posts.
Now lets look at this game:
On February 22 2012 06:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The game isn't even 20 hours in yet. I was busy last night. I should be able to put on a better show this game though. I'm catching up a bit, reading on page 13 right now.
On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then.
On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6.
On February 27 2012 06:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
When I get back from my job interview you will get analysis if you were smart enough to not kill me.
Again, false promises of contribution. RoL has made ONE argument against someone the entire game (DrH). When I pointed out a flaw in the case, I asked three different times for him to respond. He didn't.
Now lets look at the rage quit moment:
On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf
RoL tells us to lynch him and doesn't post for the entire day. Two minutes before the lynch, he votes, preventing anyone from switching over to him.
On February 29 2012 07:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 07:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I feel like I've seen this before. Oh right, I have. Congrats on giving the mafia a free lynch tomorrow and nearly getting me modkilled and banned because you are all incompetent.
On February 29 2012 09:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I intended to let myself get lynched by town. There is a distinct difference. What you are saying is against the rules for one, and two would result in my ban.
Is RoL honestly the type of person that would have the nerve to call everyone incompetent and retards after quitting the game and playing against his win condition? I know he is an angry person, but this would be a whole new level :p
On February 29 2012 10:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Great, now I might actually have to be productive and hope you guys listen to me for a change. This is an odd time for a fresh start but I guess who am I to argue with fortune.
"Hey guys, thanks for letting me live! I'm going to finally start playing two weeks into the game."
That ship has sallied a long time ago. If you really cared about town winning, you wouldn't have asked to be lynched. Asking for a lynch as town ruins games. During the incredibly unlike scenario that you were town and wanted to be lynched, you wouldn't wait to show up 2 minutes before the deadline to make sure you were indeed getting lynched. What type of player assumes that not voting wouldn't result in a modkill? You've probably played 30+ games here. What kind of assumption is this to make?
On February 29 2012 09:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I also wouldn't want to let a player sub in for me because that's just dick, put someone in a terrible situation day 3 and make them fight up hill out of it, no sir. .
If you didn't have time to play the game, you would have subbed out. Look at kurumi's excellent turnaround when he subbed in for chaoser. He went from an extremely inactive player that many considered to be scum to such an obvious town that the mafia team had to hit him the day after he subbed in.
syllo was in favor of a RoL lynch....night hit.
Kurumi was in favor of a RoL lynch....night hit.
DrH, one of the most experienced players who claimed blue opposed the RoL lynch....left alive every night.
There were no mafia hits that flipped on night one. bugs confirms that I received a healing potion night one from syllo through his mason quicktopic. If someone else received a potion from syllo night one, they can counterclaim me.
Therefore, I think it is more than obvious that I'm town. With 4 mafia players remaining, a single misplaced town vote ends the game. That means we have to vote together or the game is over.
If you are town, ##Vote RoL
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On March 02 2012 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL you're strangely quiet about the lack of BC in this game. I was going to wait to bring it up, but you continue to ignore it.
We've both been targets of his, but we're both still alive. Does that sound par for the townBC course?
Last time I harshed on him for inactivity was responsibility and I was wrong then. So I dunno, I guess he has just been apathetic lately. Besides, who am I to judge for lack of thread presence?
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On March 02 2012 09:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL you're strangely quiet about the lack of BC in this game. I was going to wait to bring it up, but you continue to ignore it.
We've both been targets of his, but we're both still alive. Does that sound par for the townBC course? Last time I harshed on him for inactivity was responsibility and I was wrong then. So I dunno, I guess he has just been apathetic lately. Besides, who am I to judge for lack of thread presence?
One of the masters. It's why I asked.
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On March 02 2012 08:41 kitaman27 wrote:On the issue of RoL: By not taking care of him on day two or day three we're in a tough spot. If he's town then the game is probably over. If we don't lynch him today, do we pass him up when its 4v3? If we don't lynch him then, do we pass him up when its 3v2? 2v1? Lets look at Coupes Mini Mafia where he was scum: Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&user=41447Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sorry guys, I have been a bit busy. I have a class but will be home in a few hours and can post. Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, well I just got back from school and haven't read shit all so it might take me a little while to catch up. Until then if there is anything important I should know, feel free to reply. It shouldn't take me more than an hour or two to catch up depending on the spam content. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 19:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just skimmed the last page, I am sorry about my inactivity, I will be able to contribute tomorrow at around 4-5pm because that's when I get out of work. I keep getting sidelined by real life stuff lately, once again my apologies. Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 22:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I just got to my internship, saw that on my way out of my house. I was going to catch up now. M Despite these promises of contribution, he was perfectly content to sitting by and watch the town mislynch, while surviving until LYLO. He blatantly abused the fact that town will not lynch a player who has no posts. Now lets look at this game: Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 06:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The game isn't even 20 hours in yet. I was busy last night. I should be able to put on a better show this game though. I'm catching up a bit, reading on page 13 right now. Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then. Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 06:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
When I get back from my job interview you will get analysis if you were smart enough to not kill me. Again, false promises of contribution. RoL has made ONE argument against someone the entire game ( DrH). When I pointed out a flaw in the case, I asked three different times for him to respond. He didn't. Now lets look at the rage quit moment: Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 07:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
K man, if you guys really want to lynch me go ahead. I'm not arguing a stupid uphill battle anymore against the dumbass town and scumteam when I have school work to do among other things. If you think killing me will help then win then glhf RoL tells us to lynch him and doesn't post for the entire day. Two minutes before the lynch, he votes, preventing anyone from switching over to him. Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 07:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 29 2012 07:05 kitaman27 wrote:
I feel like I've seen this before. Oh right, I have. Congrats on giving the mafia a free lynch tomorrow and nearly getting me modkilled and banned because you are all incompetent. Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 09:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I intended to let myself get lynched by town. There is a distinct difference. What you are saying is against the rules for one, and two would result in my ban. Is RoL honestly the type of person that would have the nerve to call everyone incompetent and retards after quitting the game and playing against his win condition? I know he is an angry person, but this would be a whole new level :p Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 10:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Great, now I might actually have to be productive and hope you guys listen to me for a change. This is an odd time for a fresh start but I guess who am I to argue with fortune. "Hey guys, thanks for letting me live! I'm going to finally start playing two weeks into the game." That ship has sallied a long time ago. If you really cared about town winning, you wouldn't have asked to be lynched. Asking for a lynch as town ruins games. During the incredibly unlike scenario that you were town and wanted to be lynched, you wouldn't wait to show up 2 minutes before the deadline to make sure you were indeed getting lynched. What type of player assumes that not voting wouldn't result in a modkill? You've probably played 30+ games here. What kind of assumption is this to make? Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 09:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I also wouldn't want to let a player sub in for me because that's just dick, put someone in a terrible situation day 3 and make them fight up hill out of it, no sir. . If you didn't have time to play the game, you would have subbed out. Look at kurumi's excellent turnaround when he subbed in for chaoser. He went from an extremely inactive player that many considered to be scum to such an obvious town that the mafia team had to hit him the day after he subbed in. syllo was in favor of a RoL lynch....night hit. Kurumi was in favor of a RoL lynch....night hit. DrH, one of the most experienced players who claimed blue opposed the RoL lynch....left alive every night. There were no mafia hits that flipped on night one. bugs confirms that I received a healing potion night one from syllo through his mason quicktopic. If someone else received a potion from syllo night one, they can counterclaim me. Therefore, I think it is more than obvious that I'm town. With 4 mafia players remaining, a single misplaced town vote ends the game. That means we have to vote together or the game is over. If you are town, ##Vote RoL
Just going to point out, I specifically meant to back out of that game because I can't stand the idea of playing a game with Kurumi, let alone being his conjoined twin for the event. I got unlucky and didn't send my PM quick enough to /out.
What question/hole didn't I answer Kita? You haven't pointed it out again, but I will more than happily oblige.
If you try to meta me, it won't work. Want to give it a shot? Look at the last game I was in, I defended myself to the last minute as scum. Look at responsibility, I was town and still relatively inactive to the point that I made it to lylo and won the game for the town.
You can look at any number of games where I will exhibit a variety of play styles as both town and scum. Trying to meta me simply won't work. Show me posting where I am scummy and I will show you either a mindless player, or a player full of shit.
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On March 02 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I hadn't even thought of it in those terms, Jitsu - while his reads are way off, I tend to agree that he's more careful about his action submission than to misqueue his action.
wait what? You said you agree that wbg is scummy, same about RoL and you're voting me because I am (I guess?) even more scummy than those two in your opinion?
So let's just assume you're not mafia for a second.
In that case my list is still 2/3 right according to your reads. That's "way off" ?
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I'm leaning town on RoL right now, and with me being town that puts your reads at 1/3 on your most current list. I was more referring to your absolute refusal to accept that I'm town...it's nonsense and lessens the effect of any other reads you provide because they're coming from someone who is already starting off wrong by putting me on a scum-list.
So yeah, your reads are "way off". Get over it.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
What question/hole didn't I answer Kita? You haven't pointed it out again, but I will more than happily oblige.
Your argument against DrH was based on the fact that he defend his scumbuddy redff. I pointed out that if redff was scum and DrH cast the deciding vote against his own scumbuddy redff, the mafia team would not mask redff's flip. You were arguing that the scum team decided to bus and then hide all the evidence that a bus was present.
On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
If you try to meta me, it won't work. Want to give it a shot? Look at the last game I was in, I defended myself to the last minute as scum.
Meta is irrelevant. My case would hold for any player, regardless of past history. You haven't contributed at all to the thread and quit the game asking for a lynch. That kind of behavior should be lynched 100% of the time. Even if you flip town, I'd rather lose to a fake claiming scum team than a player who disappears for a week and then rages at the town for not killing him.
On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show me posting where I am scummy
Trick question. You haven't posted anything worth looking at besides the DrH case this game.
Show me posting where you have the town's best interests in mind (and asking to be lynched doesn't count)
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm leaning town on RoL right now, and with me being town that puts your reads at 1/3 on your most current list
Honestly, the only way I can see someone coming to the conclusion that RoL's behavior is town this game is if they are scumbuddies or if they are scum and know he is town.
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On March 02 2012 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm leaning town on RoL right now, and with me being town that puts your reads at 1/3 on your most current list Honestly, the only way I can see someone coming to the conclusion that RoL's behavior is town this game is if they are scumbuddies or if they are scum and know he is town.
thx telling him. I feared he might say I'm retarded if I was the one to say what you just said.
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On March 02 2012 09:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
What question/hole didn't I answer Kita? You haven't pointed it out again, but I will more than happily oblige. Your argument against DrH was based on the fact that he defend his scumbuddy redff. I pointed out that if redff was scum and DrH cast the deciding vote against his own scumbuddy redff, the mafia team would not mask redff's flip. You were arguing that the scum team decided to bus and then hide all the evidence that a bus was present.
Wrong, RedFF was dead before Helvetica dropped the vote. Jitsu killed him 7-6, then helvetica switched to too. It's silly to speculate on why exactly scum covered red's lynch when we don't know why or how it happened. Maybe red did it to himself, we really don't know.
On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
If you try to meta me, it won't work. Want to give it a shot? Look at the last game I was in, I defended myself to the last minute as scum.
Meta is irrelevant. My case would hold for any player, regardless of past history. You haven't contributed at all to the thread and quit the game asking for a lynch. That kind of behavior should be lynched 100% of the time. Even if you flip town, I'd rather lose to a fake claiming scum team than a player who disappears for a week and then rages at the town for not killing him.[/quote]
It's good you would rather lose as town by killing me, since killing me loses you the game. I was letting you lynch me, that was protown agenda at the time because you wanted me dead and I understood the points. Lynching for clarification and simplicity is important aspect of town. You can't let really confusing situations sit until lylo, like letting RedFF live with scummy play and a terrible claim. It's simply bad and complicates things, complexity benefits mafia, so lynching for clarification and maintaining simplicity is good.You aren't a bad player and should know that.
On March 02 2012 09:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show me posting where I am scummy
Trick question. You haven't posted anything worth looking at besides the DrH case this game.
Show me posting where you have the town's best interests in mind (and asking to be lynched doesn't count)[/QUOTE]
It's amazing you time this case after helvetica flips town which just goes to make my one case look worse. In a virtual mylo that we are in this case is like your golden goose. Go ahead, keep using piss poor logic. You and cwave keep looking more and more like shit. This case is so conveniently timed its astounding you had the gall to do it. But I am sure cwave will shep the vote like he tried doing yesteday in one of his shit two sentence posts.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 02 2012 10:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
It's amazing you time this case after helvetica flips town which just goes to make my one case look worse. In a virtual mylo that we are in this case is like your golden goose. Go ahead, keep using piss poor logic. You and cwave keep looking more and more like shit. This case is so conveniently timed its astounding you had the gall to do it. But I am sure cwave will shep the vote like he tried doing yesteday in one of his shit two sentence posts.
I've been on you since day two.
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Okay, that's pretty much what I needed. Now all I need is BC in here trying to swing the lynch onto me based on some BS.
##Unvote: Toadesstern
##Vote: RebirthOfLegenD
Your response to my question regarding BC was dodgy. I almost don't believe we got RoL/BC double-stacked this game...almost.
Here's my problem with your lack of comment on BC. You've played with BC longer than any of us, and you should have some sort of insight as to whether you think he's town or not. You've completely refused to comment on him in any capacity...let alone the authoritative capacity I'd expect from someone with YEARS of experience to draw from. The closest we get is:
On February 25 2012 01:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 09:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 24 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 24 2012 09:31 Blazinghand wrote:
##unvote bloodyc0bbler Well, that didn't take much. I appreciate the effort BC. If your quality of posting stays at least close to the quality of your last post, I can entertain the possibility of lynching others first. What are your thoughts on WBG BC? at the moment an aggressive asshat who needs to shape up or ship out. By your estimation, how much "aggressive asshattery" is it going to take before he's no longer able to "shape up" enough and has to be "shipped out"? That's a really really wishywashy stance on someone who's active when you're largest gripe with RoL is his inactivity sir. RoL's biggest tell in near all games as red that I can recall is his activity level. He lurks and will bust out excuses as to why he was inactive but always appears when he has to (called out or to avoid being heavily suspected, etc..) whereas town he even when busy with life shite always has quality posts if inactive. As for how much it will take for wbg is similar to what I would expect what it will take for myself or RoL. IE contribute. I am overall fine with aggressive posting but aside from a few of his posts he has come off as someone attempting to avoid leaving a huge mark on the thread in solid opinions. He obviously has had some solid posts, but he has a ton of fluff ones as well. LOL holy shit. Scum much? You have played enough with me to know my play is erratic and that I have played plenty of games active as scum. Just because I was busy for 16 hours (get over it guys) doesn't mean you are going to get away with this shit when I am actually reading the thread. Helvetica you are scum, will get to that in a minute though.
There's a pattern here. WBG/BC accuse RoL, WBG/BC actually target someone else. RoL accuses WBG/BC, RoL actually targets someone else.
This is too much for me to let go at this point. If Toad is lying scum, we'll know soon enough. I wanna lynch RoL today and maybe Toad can do us a favor if he's actually town and hit one of the other two.
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There's no way RoL and BC are both town - the idea is laughable, it's not fucking possible.
If they were on opposite sides of the equation, one or the other would already be dead.
They've got to both be scum.
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I usually tend to ignore BC.
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On March 02 2012 10:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I usually tend to ignore BC.
Cool story bro. This late in the game? At Mylo? With a filter like BC's? Pull the other one RoL.
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Wait, are we really at MYLO? .__.
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it's 9 people alive.
It's either 5 v 4 (if redFF was a townie) or it's 6 v 3 (if redFF was a mafia). And our OP clearly states that 3rd party is possibly, so maybe we got a third party or something like that, who knows.
So yeah. We need everyone on RoL right now...
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
There are 10 people, I missed risk/cwave at first glance too :p
But ya, everyone on RoL
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Oh yeah. Risks replacement really looked like a dead one.
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kitaman27
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Cwave, Jitsu, layabout
Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me?
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