EPTThis could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired.
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. | ||
kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 02 2012 13:51 Jitsu wrote: I'm contemplating. This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. we only lynched townies so far. We also tried to kill RoL three times in a row, I even shot him and it always failed because something else was more important according to wbg. How about RoL was right all along and people like wbg said stuff like "everyone not voting BH has to be considered mafia" or "just ignore VE if you're not sure of his alignment" to get people lynched HE wanted to be lynched. Like BH and prpl? I actually don't know if wbg was one of the guys pushing redFF d1 but if he was redFF was most likely a townie himself. Will check that tomorrow. That's stuff that should make you want to lynch RoL if you think wbg is mafia. Of course there's also enough evidence on RoL himself but people already pointed that out multiple times but again, do you really think a townie would ragequit like that and coincidentally show up 2 minutes before the deadline? Sure he did not want to be modkilled but why 2 mins before the deadline? There is simply no way he was really afk. He knew about the deadline all along, he was watching this thread and waltzed in here 2 mins before deadline. Do you really think he checked his pm's coincidentally just right in time? Let's just assume he did not. What would a townie do if he were to log in, let's say 2 hours before deadline only to see a pm from palmar telling him, that he still has to vote? A townie would get in this thread telling people he's here and at least tell peolpe that he's not going to be modkilled, resulting in people changing votes back to RoL again. He never wanted to be lynched. If he really wanted to be lynched he would have told people earlier and not just 2 mins before the deadline when it was certain a vote switch was too late. That's just so super convenient for RoL and all this was not a coincidence. RoL knew about the deadline, he did not by coicidence check his pm's 120seconds before deadline, he did that on purpose to not get modkilled and he did that move to not get lynched in the first place. If you really think that RoL is playing protown and that timing is a coincidence I really can't help you. It's TL Mafia XLVIII all over again just that I'm sitting on the other end this time... I now truly know how Palmar felt in that game  | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: Cwave, Jitsu, layabout Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? Kitaman, there are some problems with this question. RoL is a very acceptable lynch and i voted for him yesterday. Him dodging the modkill/lynch thing and even using a line like "a mod pm'd me i had to vote to prevent being modkilled" means ill try and get him policylynched next time i play with him(policylynches never happen, i know). I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote: Kitaman, there are some problems with this question. RoL is a very acceptable lynch and i voted for him yesterday. Him dodging the modkill/lynch thing and even using a line like "a mod pm'd me i had to vote to prevent being modkilled" means ill try and get him policylynched next time i play with him(policylynches never happen, i know). I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. the problem we got is that we've got only 2 more townies than mafias (assumption of my own: no third parties + redFF was a townie). Therefore we need all the townie votes on the same target. Neither do I think Jitsu is a good lynch target nore do I think you'll have a chance getting every townie on a Jitsu lynch. People who look terrible bad right now and need to be lynched straight away: RoL WBG perhaps VE (although Kita doesn't seem to think as strong about him as I do, especially the fact that wbg was so fast on "ok let's lynch VE" looks a bit weird, making him only #3 imo) BC you'll really have a hard time lynching someone else cwave and this is no time for experiments. We need to lynch all 4 mafias in a row as far as I see. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
However, it's from ranked from "KILL IT WITH FIRE" (wbg) to "PROBABLY KILL IT WITH FIRE" (BC). | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On March 02 2012 14:42 Toadesstern wrote: we only lynched townies so far. We also tried to kill RoL three times in a row, I even shot him and it always failed because something else was more important according to wbg. How about RoL was right all along and people like wbg said stuff like "everyone not voting BH has to be considered mafia" or "just ignore VE if you're not sure of his alignment" to get people lynched HE wanted to be lynched. Like BH and prpl? I actually don't know if wbg was one of the guys pushing redFF d1 but if he was redFF was most likely a townie himself. Will check that tomorrow. That's stuff that should make you want to lynch RoL if you think wbg is mafia. Of course there's also enough evidence on RoL himself but people already pointed that out multiple times but again, do you really think a townie would ragequit like that and coincidentally show up 2 minutes before the deadline? Sure he did not want to be modkilled but why 2 mins before the deadline? There is simply no way he was really afk. He knew about the deadline all along, he was watching this thread and waltzed in here 2 mins before deadline. Do you really think he checked his pm's coincidentally just right in time? Let's just assume he did not. What would a townie do if he were to log in, let's say 2 hours before deadline only to see a pm from palmar telling him, that he still has to vote? A townie would get in this thread telling people he's here and at least tell peolpe that he's not going to be modkilled, resulting in people changing votes back to RoL again. He never wanted to be lynched. If he really wanted to be lynched he would have told people earlier and not just 2 mins before the deadline when it was certain a vote switch was too late. That's just so super convenient for RoL and all this was not a coincidence. RoL knew about the deadline, he did not by coicidence check his pm's 120seconds before deadline, he did that on purpose to not get modkilled and he did that move to not get lynched in the first place. If you really think that RoL is playing protown and that timing is a coincidence I really can't help you. It's TL Mafia XLVIII all over again just that I'm sitting on the other end this time... I now truly know how Palmar felt in that game I agree with all of this. RoL has been a potential lynch for 3 days now, and has failed to defend himself convincingly or to build a case explaining why someone else would be a better lynch. He must die today. If he flips scum, WBG is our next lynch, as he is pretty much the reason RoL is still alive. ##Vote RoL | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I actually think RoL is town at this point. We should be lynching Toad today; he as been completely anti-town all game and he's blaming me for us lynching townies, which is blatantly false and an easy way for scum to separate themselves from the lynches. The blame is equally upon all of town. For reference, kita said prpl was his #1 scumread yesterday, and yet he was as wrong as I. That doesn't make him scum, and to insinuate something like that would be blatant shirking of responsibility. That's the running theme with Toad this game; he never takes responsibility for his actions, and has been completely self-concerned at every step of the way. Everything in Toad's play has been "how would I look after this lynch" and every single time he ensures that someone other than he takes the fall. Today we should be killing him. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 02 2012 19:56 Toadesstern wrote: you know that bussing RoL won't give you towncred at this point in time anymore so you're still sticking with me? no, you're just scum. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
I have had to think over who is the best lynch for the day. Someone who obviously has done 0 for the town by being inactive / skirting modkills or someone who has been active in thread while pushing in my opinion scummy agendas. Obviously I am not the person anyone is looking to for general guidance this game as my track record is less than stellar however I have honestly come down to the options of toad and RoL for similar reasons near everyone else is. My only issue with today is someone near as inactive as myself is the one heavy pushing the lynch of RoL which is almost tossing the analysis and play of toad completely off the grid. This irks me completely as kita has sat back and not done much overall this game. I kinda get why other people feel fishy about me now because of it. RoL feels like a townie who doesn't give a shit whos an easy misslynch, or someone mafia is ready to off since town reads are mostly fubar'd. As such I am going to stay off RoL. Lynching a basically inactive player at this point regardless of how we feel about them is less optimal at hitting a scum player directing our lynches. Given that this lynch is as important as it is and given that the moment drH died people mass pushed on RoL and tried to take the heat off of toad I'm going to trust for the one time in my life drH's read purely based on how the thread has moved since then. If I am wrong on this I am forever fucking sorry, but given spectacularly bad play and general pro mafia stances I am moving onto toad. ##vote toad I am going to work, and I work a split today so should be back for like an hour before my second shift at like 1-2pm if i am lucky. So depending on progression on thread I may swap my vote but as the thread stands now toad imo is best lynch. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
That mean we either get a nolynch or we get a mislynch if syllos assumption that mafia has a floridian as well from d2 is right. The second one is an instant-lose, the first one pretty much as well. This is not the time to vote someone because you think he is a little suspicious. We need to get every townie on the same guy no matter if you personally think guy-X is even more scummy. So everyone vote RoL please. VE voted him as well, I still think VE is mafia so don't let yourself get tricked thinking "well we already have 6 guy on RoL, guess I can vote someone else in that case". I suspect VE will switch if that ensures a mafia win. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
And do answer you, its a matter of coincidence. My law class starts at 4:55, I get in a couple minutes early boot up my laptop and skype autologs in, to which I get a message, or messages I received while not at my computer. It wasn't me conveniently checking TL PMs. Lol, its really funny though, this is the exact reason I said it was beneficial to lynch me two days ago. Becuase if you let me live until mylo, you give mafia the easiest win ever. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Awkward claim that someone incriminates me. Terrible logic on killing VE to confirm WBG as scum, never actively helped a lynch and sheeped votes. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 02 2012 22:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will tentatively vote toad, but I will check from work to see if you guys found a better target later. But seriously. Awkward claim that someone incriminates me. 1) Terrible logic on killing VE to confirm WBG as scum/1), 2)never actively helped a lynch and sheeped votes./2) On March 02 2012 22:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: 3)lol wow, you all don't see this lynch happening too easy?/3) Whatever man, I have work and I will be back after the deadline, but I will log on and cast my vote before the deadline. And do answer you, its a matter of coincidence. My law class starts at 4:55, I get in a couple minutes early boot up my laptop and skype autologs in, to which I get a message, or messages I received while not at my computer. It wasn't me conveniently checking TL PMs. Lol, its really funny though,4) this is the exact reason I said it was beneficial to lynch me two days ago. Becuase if you let me live until mylo, you give mafia the easiest win ever./4) 1) is a straight up lie or you still haven't read a thing I posted. I said "WBG's alignment is of no matter when judging VE because WBG has a reason to add VE to his list as both being mafia and town himself. So you mixed up the names and you still haven't understood what I said. Awesome. 2) Is that a good thing or a bad thing considering we lynched townies only so far? I said BH is a coinflip and I wanted to lynch you instead, apparently noone else wanted to kill you. So according to what you said I behaved protown because I was trying to lynch you instead, which was according to you the best course of action for town, yet you make it look like it was something bad. prpl was indeed sheeping because I was trusting kitas read and AGAIN people did not want to lynch you or VE. I take that as a compliment I guess? 3) yeah incredible easy. We tried to lynch you 3 times in a row, I shot you. I totally get your point of being the easy lynch. If you were easy to kill you'd be dead for 2 full cycles. 4) idk man. You were scared after 48hours of being away and thought it's already gg because mafia will leave you until mylo to place you on a tablet as the easy lynch? And you never thought of using those 999hours of gameplay to make up for d1 instead of sacrificing yourself so that we don't mislynch in mylo which was still cycles away the moment you made the decision to sacrifice yourself? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 28 2012 14:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I believe he is still scum. I could see someone who had been playing super hard this game getting pissed off at people derping hard and rage quit after putting in tons of effort. However, RoL has done fucking nothing pro town. His ragequit seems more like "redff almost didn't get lynched for it, might as well try it myself" approach. Why you ask? Look at the posts since his ragequit. Near all of them were arguing between drh, toad, ve, and wbg about other people. On February 28 2012 14:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote prplhz Could be convinced to swap to RoL or VE Sup BC. I can't help but notice you're always so willing to jump on the bandwagon of the day. Quite opportunistic. When asked about toad the other day, you dodged the question and quoted the hypnotoad image. Now, when its lylo, you suddenly think he is scum. Funny how so many people are willing to vote RoL, yet aren't. I'm just not sure if the scum team is setting up a town vs town split or if they are going all-in for the flawless victory. So how has your above opinion changed? Has RoL suddenly provided some breakthrough analysis? If you're not scum, who exactly is? I'm having an extremely difficult time coming up with a team that makes sense without you. On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote: I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. With 10 players remaining, every town player has to vote together. A single misplaced town vote results in a mafia victory. Do you think you can get every town player to agree to lynch Jitsu in the next few hours? I don't think so. We can definitely consider him for the next lynch if we make it to that point. On March 02 2012 13:51 Jitsu wrote: I'm contemplating. This could feasibly be the end of the game if we mislynch. Trying not to rush into a choice when i'm overtired. This could certainly end the game if you're town and you don't vote with me. On March 02 2012 22:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Lol, its really funny though, this is the exact reason I said it was beneficial to lynch me two days ago. Becuase if you let me live until mylo, you give mafia the easiest win ever. Right, this is our fault... | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote: Cwave, Jitsu, layabout Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? VisceraEyes is my best scumread. I would be happiest if the remaining town players would open their eyes and vote with me. We should kill VisceraEyes today. I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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