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kitaman27
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On March 03 2012 02:13 layabout wrote:
I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch.
You have a scum read one me? I give up -_-
Night one I received a healing potion from the town alchemist. Night one nobody died. Are there really two other protective roles out of the 9 players that could have survived hits? Even if you ignore the night hits, nobody has even bothered to put even a case against me. Nothing in my filter points to scum.
If you aren't able to achieve the majority on VE, you plan to switch, correct? A stray vote on a player that isn't voting with the group results in a town loss if you aren't scum.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?
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cwave isn't even here an keeps voting jitsu...
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On March 03 2012 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 02:13 layabout wrote:
I am also think that the assumption that you are not town is better than the assumption that you are town, and that voting with you will allow the Mafia to cause a mislynch. You have a scum read one me? I give up -_- Night one I received a healing potion from the town alchemist. Night one nobody died. Are there really two other protective roles out of the 9 players that could have survived hits? Even if you ignore the night hits, nobody has even bothered to put even a case against me. Nothing in my filter points to scum. If you aren't able to achieve the majority on VE, you plan to switch, correct? A stray vote on a player that isn't voting with the group results in a town loss if you aren't scum.
Do you think me posting case on why you are my number3/4 scumread would be beneficial to anybody right now?
I am well aware that i will need to switch if nobody comes back to VisceraEyes (cough cough toad and bugs).
I might re-hash all that has been said against him since so few of the people still alive appear to have read the thread and responded to it.
What i think we need to establish is whether blues should be claiming. On the one hand we probably cannot confirm them and late-claims could lead to chaos that we will have to deal with. But on the other hand it put scum under additional pressure and can help us to strengthen our town reads.
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I doubt blue claims will put blue under pressure. More like it's going to confuse people like Jitsu and Cwave 
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On March 03 2012 02:35 Toadesstern wrote:I doubt blue claims will put mafia under pressure. More like it's going to confuse people like Jitsu and Cwave
EBWOP Gosh I need sleep.
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On March 03 2012 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?
response coming
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On March 03 2012 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think that toad and RoL are both town layabout?
Much to my dismay I am undecided on both counts
RoL
Early on i truly did not see the case on him. I do not believe that inactivty makes a player scum. This has been shown repeatedly in other game and in this game since we have had so many inactive players we know that some of them are definitely town.
Whilst he lurked as scum in Purgatory, it was my understanding that he was genuinely busy.
I think that lynching a player that is inactive is generally not productive and if they are actually busy then it is unfair (though this could be argued).
I did not think the case presented by Dr.H on RoL had much merit. It appeared to me that nearly everyone voting RoL was voting for him based on the assumption that he lurks as mafia. I think that at the time we had better lynch candidates: VisceraEyes Blazinghand and Toadesstern. I am also not sure what RoL has done that makes him less scummy than BC, or even somebody like risk/cwave or chaoser/kurumi. His activity has been on par with Jitsu and much greater than Tyrrans. I think the main thing that made RoL different from these players was the attention he was getting because of alleged "meta".
Then he "ragequit". Now i can understand why somebody would want to quit this game. I think we all can. But coming back to the thread to vote at the last minute is just not a town move. It is possible that he honestly did just open his laptop and discover that he needed to vote. But what he did is utterly deplorable if he is town.
Toadesstern
Based on what i saw in BCAC i can say that Toadesstern is very competant and playing the scums 8th player.
Whilst he clearly put in effort, he seems to be putting lots of effort into deliberately shitting up the thread. On more than one occasion i have found myself halfway into explaining why what he is saying is utter crap, and then realising that pointing it out would not benefit town.
I have tried to look at the reason for him to post the way he does. The most reasonable ones begin with "assume Toadesstern is scum". It is a shame then that this is also the case with his posting in BCAC in which he was town.
Look at this shit (this was the first thing that came to my mind, i know i have mentioned it before):
On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.
I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time.
##Vote Rol
He decides that BH is too scummy to be judged and then votes for RoL. That is absolutely unjustifiable as town!
The reasons that he gave for that were bullshit. He openly admits to deliberately posting bullshit. But if he is VOTING based on something he KNOWS is BULLSHIT, then he is being SCUMMY AS HELL and we should kill him.
Look at his /in post.
On February 19 2012 23:44 Toadesstern wrote:
/in I guess.
Won't bullshit like last game, I promise. No weird experements, just normal playing without coin-tossing when pissed ❤
Have to make up for my last game after all.
Look at a recent post
On March 01 2012 17:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I like bullshitting around. Imo it's a nice way to find out why someone's posting. There's lots of different people.
People who are happy to finally talk about something like how bad X is and therefore don't have to come up with something themselves.
People who are honestly confused about what I post.
People who should know better.
People who just aren't honest with their reaction.
Oh and it forced people to talk. I like talking!
Oh and it gives a lot of reactions :p
Oh and I also like do exaggerate pretty often. That's my one big issue that gets in the way but luckily gives information as well although it makes me look pretty bad even if I am town and don't mean to do that. So no I VE, I really use terms like "confirmed" or "the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread" quite often imo.
I think i should point out that this may be a defence mechanism. Toad has in the past done some very awful plays(coin flips) and now he claims to have a role that he did not understand and wasted. Perhaps he believes lots of what he says but he gets treated like a fool, so he pretends to be playing the fool on purpose, when in fact he is the fool.
I would happily lynch him for that alone.
My problem with Toad is that he posts so much bullshit i cannot assess whether or not he believes what he says. Because of this i cannot tell whether or not he is being scummy, by hedging or by spamming or by some/other scum like behaviour, OR whether he genuinely believes what he is writing because he has an absurdly unique way of thinking.
He ruined Arkham city for me and he has ruined this game for me too.
I will never sign up for a game with Toadesstern again.
On balance i think they are both scum.
I would prefer to kill Toad.
I think VisceraEyes is the player most likely to flip scum.
And i am not sure if i care more about this game or more about killing Toad.
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I never wasted my role or did not understand it, don't know what you're talking about.
If you really think I ruined this game I'm sorry about that but can't really see how you're telling me I ruined this game when we had people like RoL, Risk, chaoser, prpl and redFF who all pretty much refused to play. Oh and Zephird d1 was hilarious as well.
I really don't mind you telling me you'll never sign up a game with me again, I'll probably do the same with some of the guys I just mentioned but telling me I ruined this game is just complete and utter bullshit.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
It is extremely rare to see a newer player actively promoting a scum agenda through thread disruption. I've played like 10 games as scum and I still feel uncomfortable doing so. They only time I've ever gone out of my way to destroy the thread was WaW2 and that was simply because I had like 5 lives. It's so much easier to maintain a lower profile and jump on easy bandwagons similar to BC's style.
I have classes right now, but I'll be back in about an hour. I hope to see RoL with the majority by then.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Are you also inferring that toad is fake claiming his shot on his scumbuddy RoL? I'm not sure I follow your logic layabout.
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He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot.
How is that not wasting his claimed ability?
Toad
I think that the level of disruption you have caused has discouraged people from investing time and effort into this game.
On March 03 2012 03:41 kitaman27 wrote:
Are you also inferring that toad is fake claiming his shot on his scumbuddy RoL? I'm not sure I follow your logic layabout.
I am inferring that he is either full of shit and does not think people will willingly analyse him. Or he is a very very foolish.
The "it's rare for newer players to do X" thing is weak.
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RoL
WBG
BC
layabout
GG scum.
Kita is your list looking similar to this? This could be GG if I'm even close.
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On March 03 2012 02:35 Toadesstern wrote:I doubt blue claims will put blue under pressure. More like it's going to confuse people like Jitsu and Cwave
Lol...
On March 02 2012 02:03 Jitsu wrote:
Also, I counted 6v4. Not like it matters THAT much, but I count 10 people left.
The bottom of my spreadsheet has RoL, WBG, BC, and layabout, pretty much only by process of elimination.
RoL looks pretty bad with his last minute voting after rage quit, obviously, but I don't know if that makes him scum. In his situation, I would have probably done the same thing.
BC is obviously on a lot of radar's because he is still alive, and because he has yet to make any major contributions.
Layabout, just because the list is very short. He's pretty much interchangable with both Tyrran and Cwave.
DocH was convincing me at the end before Dirkzor blew them both up. It makes sense what he was saying about WBG.
Who are you eyeing as a possible kill target? I know you are pretty dead set on RoL. Is that who you want to stick with? Also, do you trust in that Toad Avenger claim?
This is from earlier, VE, for what it's worth.
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well what kita said is especial weak considering I did that in my first game as mafia myself.
However I really don't think I am "responsible" for people not playing. Remember what wbg did? According to redFF he's the reason he ragequit. Remember that german-"joke" he got a warning for? And you're telling me I am responsible for making people run?
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On March 03 2012 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL
WBG
BC
layabout
GG scum.
Kita is your list looking similar to this? This could be GG if I'm even close.
yeah. I am also considering this right now. Right now you're down to #4 on my mafia powerrank and layabout is at #5. So IF you really are town it's laya for sure. However I am pretty scared about you. You could easily be a mafia bussing everyone if we figured you guys out, so that at least one guy can win.
I will give you a chance, I still think your meta this game is scummy but we're not going to lynch you before RoL, wbg and BC are dead, so you got some time to prove yourself to me :p
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On March 02 2012 17:50 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote:On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Cwave, Jitsu, layabout
Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? Kitaman, there are some problems with this question. RoL is a very acceptable lynch and i voted for him yesterday. Him dodging the modkill/lynch thing and even using a line like "a mod pm'd me i had to vote to prevent being modkilled" means ill try and get him policylynched next time i play with him(policylynches never happen, i know). I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. the problem we got is that we've got only 2 more townies than mafias (assumption of my own: no third parties + redFF was a townie). Therefore we need all the townie votes on the same target. Neither do I think Jitsu is a good lynch target nore do I think you'll have a chance getting every townie on a Jitsu lynch. People who look terrible bad right now and need to be lynched straight away: RoL
WBG
perhaps VE (although Kita doesn't seem to think as strong about him as I do, especially the fact that wbg was so fast on "ok let's lynch VE" looks a bit weird, making him only #3 imo) BCyou'll really have a hard time lynching someone else cwave and this is no time for experiments. We need to lynch all 4 mafias in a row as far as I see.
If you think I'm bussing my entire team, you're fucking high my friend.
That is all. This post right here shows why no one listens to you.
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On March 03 2012 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL
WBG
BC
layaboutthe guy that has been calling me scum
GG scum.
Kita is your list looking similar to this? This could be GG if I'm even close. yeah. the guy that has called you scum all game just called me scum, he must be scum
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On March 03 2012 04:03 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 04:00 Toadesstern wrote:On March 03 2012 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL
WBG
BC
layaboutthe guy that has been calling me scum
GG scum.
Kita is your list looking similar to this? This could be GG if I'm even close. yeah. the guy that has called you scum all game just called me scum, he must be scum
nah I think you're playing a game right now and I'm not talking about mafia
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On March 03 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:50 Toadesstern wrote:On March 02 2012 17:15 Cwave wrote:On March 02 2012 12:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Cwave, Jitsu, layabout
Do you not find RoL to be an acceptable lynch, meaning you would rather keep your vote where it is under the assumption that I'm not town, than vote with me? Kitaman, there are some problems with this question. RoL is a very acceptable lynch and i voted for him yesterday. Him dodging the modkill/lynch thing and even using a line like "a mod pm'd me i had to vote to prevent being modkilled" means ill try and get him policylynched next time i play with him(policylynches never happen, i know). I don't understand why you position me not voting with you at the opposite side of " assumption i'm not town". How on earth do you draw that conclusion? If i don't vote with you, i must think you are scum? Would rather lynch Jitsu. the problem we got is that we've got only 2 more townies than mafias (assumption of my own: no third parties + redFF was a townie). Therefore we need all the townie votes on the same target. Neither do I think Jitsu is a good lynch target nore do I think you'll have a chance getting every townie on a Jitsu lynch. People who look terrible bad right now and need to be lynched straight away: RoL
WBG
perhaps VE (although Kita doesn't seem to think as strong about him as I do, especially the fact that wbg was so fast on "ok let's lynch VE" looks a bit weird, making him only #3 imo) BCyou'll really have a hard time lynching someone else cwave and this is no time for experiments. We need to lynch all 4 mafias in a row as far as I see. If you think I'm bussing my entire team, you're fucking high my friend. That is all. This post right here shows why no one listens to you.
yeah give me some time to think this trough okay? :p
24 hours ago you used to be confirmed mafia to me and now you're even with laya, that's already a huge deal for me and more than I am happy to admit
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