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On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad HatterYou may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray@p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it.
Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote.
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On January 22 2012 14:37 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote:On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad HatterYou may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray@p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it. Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote.
I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie.
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Thanks evantrees  its just annoying that once this thread moves on it is a pain to find that information
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If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP?
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Yesterday you would have explained that as BM having a horrible town meta BC. But thanks for clarifying that.
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On January 22 2012 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:37 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote:On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad HatterYou may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray@p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it. Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote. I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie.
He only claimed one bomb planted on Protact. He got that one back and planted the other one he hadn't used yet.
Or my comprehension has gone completely away.
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On January 22 2012 14:40 Toadesstern wrote:
If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP?
Are you for real?
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On January 22 2012 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:37 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2012 14:34 evantrees wrote:On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate OK that's the last straw Bill, for now at least you get my vote. Mad HatterYou may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night. ##vote Bill Murray@p4NDemik messy but should be full list of people replaced, if you want filters ask. vaderseven replaced zeks hiro protagonist replaced Erandorr jaj22 replaced igabod 26. glurio replaced d3_crescentia 2. Cwave replaced Refallen now to get to the rest of it. Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote. I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie.
I'd say it means "you can place a maximum of one bomb per night. You can additionally remove as many bombs as you wish during a night".
So it's either place a new bomb and therefore have 2 bombs out (the one on protact + a new one) or get one bomb back and place it somewhere else which would mean only 1 bomb out.
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On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end
I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief
Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them
GGQ, sorry mate
This is why I think he said he had a bomb on ggq? its weirdly formatted but it clearly suggests theres a bomb in play.
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Perfect. Scamp was town. Why didn't anyone announce he had masoned them?
Furthermore. We need to discuss these nightkills. Looking at it I feel Protact was likely stacked since both scamp and GGQ were far more likely vigged then killed by the mafia. I'm going to assume every unaccounted shot went on protact, that is a possible 2 or 3 stack if nobody claims to have been saved.
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On January 22 2012 14:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:40 Toadesstern wrote:
If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP? Are you for real?
yeah I am. I think VE is scum but that doesn't add up with mafia KP if he got shot. So either what I just asked in green, or BM did not tell us that he locked up a mafia or maybe BM is mafia and was told to lock up a mafia so that say can get one of them "confirmed" townie. Obviously the 3rd one is preeeeeetty stupid so I'd like two know if case #1 and #2 are possible :p
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Oh and I agree that mafia stacked. I'd say since they haven't used their joat-shot so far (unless they already doublestacked someone with that earlier) they used that to doublestack him.
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nm, apparently you can move and place bombs, missed someone asking it earlier >.>
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On January 22 2012 14:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 14:43 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2012 14:40 Toadesstern wrote:
If our beloved sheriff locks up a mafia that one mafia does not count into KP. What happens if we vig a mafia. Does that guy count into mafia KP? I am talking about L and the fact that a vig shot him. Did that reduce Mafia KP? Are you for real? yeah I am. I think VE is scum but that doesn't add up with mafia KP if he got shot. So either what I just asked in green, or BM did not tell us that he locked up a mafia or maybe BM is mafia and was told to lock up a mafia so that say can get one of them "confirmed" townie. Obviously the 3rd one is preeeeeetty stupid so I'd like two know if case #1 and #2 are possible :p
It's also possible one of the vigs hit either of us man, just sayin.
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Toad, it hits after the night
I didn't jail last night - I have 2 jails left
Apparently, it doesn't matter, because you'd rather let mister scum mayor live another day
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I'm voting BC though
Sandroba association from D1 masoning is too much to pass over anymore
rGtheShworz associative tell ended up being shit btw since Protactinium flipped blue
Protactinium couldn't have been bussing macpo in shworz eyes unless shworz thought he was scum
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peeps needa read through protacts filter for teh bread crumbz
@BM you really think that BC and sandroba falsified the entire mason conversation?
my reads have been absolutely terrible so far, but between you and BC... not sure man.
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was happy only had a few pages to catch up on, then came across multiple pm logs.
BC after the kingjames01 lynch if for no other reason we are damn well going to lynch you when we get a day or two from a LyLo caused by your extra mayor votes if not sooner.
[20/01/2012 3:52:33 PM] james: i gave out the names via encrypted
[20/01/2012 3:52:35 PM] james: message
[20/01/2012 3:52:40 PM] james: in the case I died
I'm curious do mafia have the names if opz is scum?
@Jackal58 decided one bit of nonsense too many from Bill. hopefully have a better reason to vote for someone by the end of the day.
On January 22 2012 07:20 Lanaia wrote:
IF YOU'RE LURKING AND INTENTIONALLY NOT POSTING I AM MAD AT YOU.
We have lost 5 people to modkills. Chances are, we end up losing more than that as there is no more replacing out/in. We do not want this.
I agree with this too many damned modkills. Yes I was on that list and hopefully I find something useful to say.
"@Evantrees: Three scum reads please. With reasons."
Will try and give you a better answer tomorrow.
glurio reason given for his vote for mayor.
"I do have to vote though. So I will vote for whoever has the most votes right now."
bumatlarge , someone else mentioned it but apparently didn't reply to a mason despite asking to be masoned in his running post would not be surprised if he flipped scum mason.
and um, Slardar
Nonsense
wait what? was my response to this.
[20/01/2012 12:23:41 AM] james: evan analyzed sandro
was just you misreading, due to crummy formatting of part of it, sorry about that.
P4 huh?
On January 22 2012 06:03 p4NDemik wrote:
Protact is a dead man walking btw.
BC barely talking about masons now comparably anyways interests me for some stupid reason.
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seemed like something that should be posted separately.
On January 22 2012 04:52 Jayjay54 wrote:Hey, here's another vig target! Let's keep those medics running. After looking through his filter, I am sure evantree is scum. I was goind to make a case, but after I was halfway done, I realized that this is bullshit, because it is so damn boring. He makes so few moves to argue with that it is really uninteresting. So let me sum it up: a) ZERO contributions. He actually has some posts, but none contribute scumhunting in any way. He never accused anyone. b) He softdefends sandro in this post. Just to move on and do the chameleon move of voting KJ and sandro herehere. Without any real reason. c) Most of his posts are clarification posts. Somebody asks about masons, he's there. Somebody didn't understand DLs he's there. Replacements check? He's always there. The definition of non-contributing contribution. d) his last posts were 4 one liners without any content. e) a) You'll see that his main theme is "contributing without actually contributing". If you don't believe it, go through his filter and see what he did so far. This is why, evantree is scum! Farewell!
I'm curious what did you start if it was more than this.
b) me complaining about about something that didn't make sense to me never did get a reply just a Fos from hiro oh well.
Voted Sandroba due to the detective claim and feeling the odds of hiro being scum were small.
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c) fair enough different view on contribution.
f) get my damned name right, and really don't know what else to say.
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editing previous post *parentheses
Lets do some analysis of the day 1 election for mayor and go through the sequence of events. I'm going to post colored summaries like we have seen people make thus far. Between then I'll give my thoughts on what mafia was trying to achieve with the votes.
On January 14 2012 07:49 flamewheel wrote:
Day 1 Election Vote Tally
Votes for Bill Murray (2)
Foolishness
VisceraEyes
Votes for kitaman27 (1)
bumatlarge
Votes for VisceraEyes (1)
blahz0r
Votes for BloodyC0bbler (3)
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
Bill Murray
GGQ
Votes for Protactinium (1)
Palmar
28 hours and 13 minutes remain in the day.
This is the first look we have at the votes given by flamewheel. None of our flipped mafia have showed on it. Not surprisingly they are holding on to most of their votes. Not much interesting to talk about here because of this. Could be some red names in here but lets not speculate. Lets work with what we know and the names that have flipped. Moving on.
The next time flamewheel posts a summary is like a full day (real time not mafia time) after the previous one, so I am going to put together another summary that captures the vote list with roughly 16 hours left to vote, immediately after Kurumi voted for Protactinium:
Day 1 Election Vote Tally as of Jan. 14 @ 19:57 KST
Votes for Bill Murray (2)
VisceraEyes
bumatlarge
Votes for kitaman27 (2)
evantrees
Bill Murray
Votes for VisceraEyes (2)
blahz0r
Cyber_Cheese
Votes for BloodyC0bbler (5)
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
GGQ
zeks (vaderseven)
Lanaia
Votes for Protactinium (3)
Palmar
Adam4167
Kurumi
Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1)
JayJay54
Votes for sandroba (1)
Nisani201
Votes for Mattchew (1)
Foolishness
there were roughly 19 hours left to vote at this point. There were only 17 of 50 votes cast at this point.
Alright things are getting more interesting. But still there are no red names that have voted. I have some thoughts despite this. You can clearly see how Protactinium's campaign resonated with town aligned roles, this should have been clear by a quick look at the final tally. This will continue be a theme of his as his group of votes grows. And since he based his campaign around lynching a mafia (Ciryandor) he is extremely dangerous to mafia. They have an active interest in keeping him from getting elected. BC get's Protact's day 1 lynch focus in this period of time as well. Later, he will switch to Macpo making red votes for him even more unlikely. Still, there is no way he could have red support in any fashion at this point in the game he is too dangerous. The only way mafia votes for him is if they are absolutely sure that he won't get mayor and it its probable they don't even want him in as Sheriff but we'll talk about this later in the analysis.
Next. We have Nisani201 voting for sandroba. Check out his reasoning in this post. His reasons for disliking BC are valid, and many others shared them. He likes sandroba because of the mass mason claim though? This is a bit fishy. Lets look into sandroba's campaign at this point:
On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote:
Hi everybody, I'll be running for mayor and I need your support. The whole basis of my campaign is being town and pretty decent at figuring out scum. Myself holding day1 lynch and 3 votes everyday is a pretty good deal on average I'd say so. Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. Another benefit to electing me is that I usually get shot pretty early on (normally day2 the latest), and I can tell you that keeping me alive will improve town's chances by a lot. Let me say that there is no fucking reason to not elect a trustworthy established sumhunter in favor of electing a new player whose millage may vary. The main goal of the mayor role is to get someone who can reliably get scum lynched and be a threat to mafia. Putting in a random dude has no benefit to town and can even be detrimental if the dude has his head stuck up his ass.
So town gather up and give me your support, because mafia isn't going to let me get this position easily. It makes them feel unsafe and fearful. They are right. I'm coming for them.
This is his campaign post. Not the most inspiring thing. Probably the reason why he had no votes for a full day before he got this vote from Nisani. Now, does this make Nisani red? I don't know, possibly. Considering he is very much a lurker in this game that is more than enough reason to suspect him already. Nisani does oppose the Palmar lynch ticket, but asserts that scum-hunting on day one is useless. Points for mafia there. Before Macpo flipped he also attacked Protact and pushed for his lynch. Mafia is scared of Protact. Could be a reason to go after him. He could also be bad. I dk I'm not familiar with him. But he's one to keep in mind later. last point - sandroba was one of the biggest pushes of the mason talk day 1 along with BC, not a protown thing, but Nisani uses this confusion as his basis for a vote. A bit illogical. Town is confused at this point of the game, not voting for a guy screaming for mass claim.
Next we have some unvotes during this time window. Foolishness changes his vote to Mattchew following the revelation of Macpo's mason-ness. I can't get a read if this is townish or mafiaish atm so to the next unvote we go! bumatlarge switches his vote and decides to vote for Bill Murray. Again, dk Bill's alignment so I'm gonna relax on the analysis of this but it is worth mentioning he discounts Protact's motives in his post. Another pretty lurkerish dude for most of this game. Keep an eye on him. Finally BM unvotes and votes for kitaman27. We all know my thoughts on BM. And kita also hasn't flipped and is pretty lurkerish. No comment on this. Lets move ahead another 12 hours, shall we?
On January 15 2012 06:18 flamewheel wrote:
Day 1 Election Vote Tally
Votes for Bill Murray (4)
VisceraEyes
bumatlarge
Macpo
Toadesstern
Votes for kitaman27 (1)
evantrees
Votes for VisceraEyes (1)
blahz0r
Votes for BloodyC0bbler (8)
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
GGQ
zeks (vaderseven)
Lanaia
glurio
Cyber_Cheese
Foolishness
Votes for Protactinium (3)
Palmar
Adam4167
Kurumi
Votes for sandroba (1)
Nisani201
Votes for supersoft (1)
Bill Murray
Mattchew being modkilled means that Jayjay54 and Scamp need to find somebody else to vote for. 5 hours and 42 minutes remain in the day.
A whole slew of people have yet to vote.
Munk-E has yet to post.
We have our first red vote! BM you dirty boy. If you are mafia (which I think you are) your team has put you in position to be more likely to be considered down the stretch. These 1 vote guys who are just part of the pack are your Ralph Naders of the election. We wouldn't want to be one of those now would we? But one mafia vote isn't enough to condemn you 100% so lets just leave it at that.
Back to Protactinium's ticket. He remains stalled. He changed his lych candidate and town is a bit skittish, and mafia sure as hell isn't going to vote for him. They're more likely putting votes into BC's candidacy, which is gaining some steam. We still don't know the alignment of his electorate though so lets hold on making any more conclusions about the man I want lynched.
JayJay54 unvotes and both he and the now deceased Scamp vote for Mattchew. Not much to conclude from this though, just making note of the unvote. If I haven't made it clear, I'm keeping track of unvotes because they represent a possible swing of 2 votes when candidates are compared. Thus they carry more weight in turning the election in mafia's favor. Next point.
L votes for himself during this period because he is an egomaniacal mafioso who wasn't serious about his campaign at all. Lets ignore this and come back to him when he does vote again.
BM unvotes and then votes supersoft who as you all know I suspect to be mafia, had a horrible defense, and has done no protown action in quite some while. He relied on BC/Proact/Foolishness train to live, not himself. He did not defend himself vigorously and never took an accusation at his town-ness seriously. I believe supersoft is scummy, and this is an irrelevant vote for someone who wasn't about to be mayor/sheriff any time soon. BM still looking red in my eyes.
Cyber_Cheese unvotes VisceraEyes because VisceraEyes is a bit of an idiot. Can't have idiot mayors. Especially ones that want you dead. He switches to BC. VE did revoke his own candidacy it bears mentioning though. I don't have any special reads on this one but lets juts notice the theme of BC and BM getting good spots for a run at mayor. One or both of these is likely mafia in my mind. Oh yeah, Foolishness has to unvote Mattchew because Mattchew is also an idiot. No read on this but he's finally found his hetero-life-partner in BC a bond that has yet to be questioned. Now lets skip ahead again.
On January 15 2012 09:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Current Vote Count
Bill Murray (8)
Macpo
Toadesstern
blahz0r
supersoft
rgtheShworz
Giygas
bumatlarge
jackal58
Kitaman27 (1)
evantrees
VisceraEyes (1)
L
BloodyC0bbler (8) first
Meapak_Ziphh
risk.nuke
GGQ
zeks
Lanaia
glurio
Cyber_Cheese
Foolishness
Protactinium (7)
Palmar
Adam4167
Kurumi
Cwave
Slardar
Liquid`Sheth
Jayjay54
Sandroba (1)
Nisani201
Supersoft (1)
Bill Murray
L (2)
~OpZ~
Scamp
Wherebugsgo (3)
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi
VisceraEyes
Day ends in 2.5 hours. Get your votes in!
Bill Murray continues to gather steam. He has gotten the support of some for sure town, but bumatlarge is a bit sketchy, and supersoft and rgTheSchworz even sketchier. Could still be a mafia-supported candidate with multiple mafia votes backing him.
L votes VisceraEyes, a pointless vote and one that at this point is helping spread out their vote. Typical mafia strategy at work. VE is most likely town though as he is not an actual candidate (not to mention at the current day his outbursts have made him look even more town).
BC's campaign has now stalled. Makes sense that mafia wouldn't put any votes on him as long as he has a sizeable lead. He's still a possible mafia candidate.
Protact is getting more support! Yay for town but unfortunately it isn't fruitful  Sheth shows yet again how town roles flock to Protact's campaign. Protact's proximity and chance of being mayor is high still, and mafia can't risk more votes for him though. I could see Cwave as a possible mafia trying to slip in at this point but not Slardar or JayJay. If they can mafia would like to infiltrate this campaign but if it means putting him at the top or within a few votes of the top of the list of candidates they wouldn't do it.
OpZ and Scamp have voted for L like I said not a campaign mafia actually cares about but it isn't beyond them slipping in some votes to hide. OpZ is a lurker extraordinaire this game and could be mafia. Keep an eye on this guy.
wherebugsgo has entered the race and got those oh-so quick votes! The quickness of the votes immediately classified him as a suspect candidate and if he was mafia they didn't care about him getting in. Possibly one mafia vote in here I say. Maybe Kenpachi who knows. This campaign isn't really of any relevance in the greater scheme of things. Now lets see the final picture and start to draw some conclusions and list some suspect votes!
I'm actually going to post this with the final vote analysis soon to come I just really don't want to have a crash and somehow lose all of this analysis.
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