EPTI definitely think that they both could have manufactured it and roleplayed. if they are mafia and they are going this far to avoid a red name dying day 1 with everything relying on this interchange being genuine then yes they are going to roleplay and falsify logs. They are going to be pressed hard for them.
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
I definitely think that they both could have manufactured it and roleplayed. if they are mafia and they are going this far to avoid a red name dying day 1 with everything relying on this interchange being genuine then yes they are going to roleplay and falsify logs. They are going to be pressed hard for them. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote: Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum? Because he thinks they are scum? The questionability of this move relies a lot on who it is and why he has listed them as scum. If he has good reasons then he has good reasons. If he has a weak case, one that he shouldn't be sure enough of to present in the thread then he is more likely scum. Whether you want to release this one bg's name is up to you, jitsu, and BM, but considering our mayor and sheriff are our two main candidates for lynching anyways I think it makes sense to release this information to decide which is the better lynch. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:29 p4NDemik wrote: Jayjay you are writing off the fact that one of the people BC could have been faking it is already confirmed scum. It is far easier to fake a conversation when you are both scum and roleplaying that you are town than it is to manufacture both sides of a log out of thin air. If it was hypothetically this long of a log in a game where he has to make up comments of a confirmed town and present them under scrutiny then yes I'd say no way he manufactured it. I definitely think that they both could have manufactured it and roleplayed. if they are mafia and they are going this far to avoid a red name dying day 1 with everything relying on this interchange being genuine then yes they are going to roleplay and falsify logs. They are going to be pressed hard for them. On top of this if you want to use that post to give Foolishness town points that is well and good but BC should not get the same amount of town points. He may deserve to be viewed in a little more townish light but not enough to not warrant his lynch imo. I also think if foolish is town he would be fighting me harder and not defaming me. Something more like your post and not like his. He's supposed to be good town with good reads. I want to lynch his town (in his eyes) mayor right now. Why is he not fighting harder than this? | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:29 p4NDemik wrote: Jayjay you are writing off the fact that one of the people BC could have been faking it is already confirmed scum. It is far easier to fake a conversation when you are both scum and roleplaying that you are town than it is to manufacture both sides of a log out of thin air. If it was hypothetically this long of a log in a game where he has to make up comments of a confirmed town and present them under scrutiny then yes I'd say no way he manufactured it. I definitely think that they both could have manufactured it and roleplayed. if they are mafia and they are going this far to avoid a red name dying day 1 with everything relying on this interchange being genuine then yes they are going to roleplay and falsify logs. They are going to be pressed hard for them. No actually I don't. I know that they sandro is confirmed and I know that a faking possibility is at hand. A town - scum log to fake is not possible imo. The thing that convinces me is the sheer length. There's no need to put so much effort in it. If I would fake it, I definitly would fake like 4 pages and that's it. And that'll work. It is convincing enough. Look at the time stamps, look at how much time they spent! They were talking for like 5 hours straight. So the timestamps are real. Roleplaying for 5 hours? Just for the case sandro gets lynched? If sandro wasn't lynched that log is practically worthless. There is so little benefit and so much work? Sorry p4n, that is just not real. No one would do that. If they really spent 5 hours of their life "falsetalking" just in case one gets lynched, they need to chekc the life priorities  | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:58 supersoft wrote: spontaniously I'd vote for ~opz~ / bumatlarge / glurio jitsu and nisani also look not too townish... | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Can you tell me what you honestly think about my case against supersoft then? I presented a strong one against him and he has made little to no effort to propose a real defense. He hasn't been helpful and he hasn't done anything for town in ages. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 22 2012 21:02 p4NDemik wrote: supersoft are you seriously still making posts that are this unhelpful? You cannot be town and be such an active mafia player like you are supposed to be. you realize that i dont spit out these names for fun. Do you think one of them is town and why | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
"25 of 40 Town-aligned players remaining 6 of 10 Mafia remaining" Either way I compare the BM vs BC situation, it is always going to be more deadly that BC is scum, as opposed to BM who probably used his 3 incarcerates at this point and is useless. If we don't get a Mafia and they kill 3 the following night, if BC is scum they have almost 50% of the votes at that point (21 vs 9) If everyone is so hellbent on killing both BM & BC, why not start with BC first? Longer we wait, the more impossible it's going to be to lynch him and we're getting to a LyLo situation with a fucking wonky mayor. I can't see how that is beneficial. Also - BM may be an idiot but at least he isn't influencing the discussions or doing much, BC is either awful town with his reads, or brilliant scum leading the town to do whatever the fuck he wants. Either way after yesterday (We lynched a soon to be modkilled dude, and Kingjames) I'm finished listening to him. He is way more disruptive in a town atmosphere than BM will ever be at this point, and deserves to die. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 22 2012 21:07 p4NDemik wrote: His biggest defense has been Foolishness and BC going to a post that supersoft made on the 15th. Something that he didn't bring up himself. That has literally been the best they have been able to muster. The defense of supersoft thus far this game has been pitiful. dude you're terribly overestimating yourself. I am town and you have no good case. Noone is listening to you - not because they're all scum - but rather because your case is bad. But I want to thank you at this point. Your effort is probably what keeps me alive in this game. Scum won't shoot me because then you actually might find one of them and tunnel him endlessly. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote: Look at the time stamps, look at how much time they spent! They were talking for like 5 hours straight. So the timestamps are real. Roleplaying for 5 hours? Just for the case sandro gets lynched? If sandro wasn't lynched that log is practically worthless. There is so little benefit and so much work? If they really spent 5 hours of their life "falsetalking" just in case one gets lynched, they need to chekc the life priorities Dude, we're all playing this damned game, and your filter is huge I have no doubt that those logs could be mafia vs mafia, written realtime. Note also how little of it is actual scumhunting. There's a lot of general chat, a lot of Protact-defense from Sandroba and some light commentary. Also note that BC is allegedly better at this stuff than Sandroba, and enjoys it a lot more. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 22 2012 22:51 Slardar wrote: I think after the KingJames debacle, everyone shouldn't be so quick to jump to BC's words. Also now that Protract is dead flipped blue, it makes Foolishness and BC bandwagonning on everything together seem suspicious. "25 of 40 Town-aligned players remaining 6 of 10 Mafia remaining" Either way I compare the BM vs BC situation, it is always going to be more deadly that BC is scum, as opposed to BM who probably used his 3 incarcerates at this point and is useless. If we don't get a Mafia and they kill 3 the following night, if BC is scum they have almost 50% of the votes at that point (21 vs 9) If everyone is so hellbent on killing both BM & BC, why not start with BC first? Longer we wait, the more impossible it's going to be to lynch him and we're getting to a LyLo situation with a fucking wonky mayor. I can't see how that is beneficial. Also - BM may be an idiot but at least he isn't influencing the discussions or doing much, BC is either awful town with his reads, or brilliant scum leading the town to do whatever the fuck he wants. Either way after yesterday (We lynched a soon to be modkilled dude, and Kingjames) I'm finished listening to him. He is way more disruptive in a town atmosphere than BM will ever be at this point, and deserves to die. LMFAO | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 22 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: I just want to remind people that this is probably the fucking funniest thing I've ever read while going back through people's posts. I laughed so hard at this LOL. Anyway, something funny that struck me from sandro's filter is this: Like, all the people sandro wants to lynch, I'm pretty sure, were scum; most likely scum that he felt he could not defend any longer. This is actually what sandro does as scum; he busses people like hell because he thinks they are super obvious scum to everyone. Macpo he could not defend because Foolish/Protact attacked him. L he could not defend because everyone saw he was playing the same way he played in Responsibility. Is it a stretch to say that he could not defend GGQ either? I don't think so. Also note how he tells myself, super, and toad to "get off my balls." This makes all 3 of us look far more town. Also note how he later rescinds his opinion about Jackal (he flips from day 1 liking Jackal to not liking Jackal to being unsure) whereas for L, GGQ, Macpo, and Ciryandor he's just like "fuck man this guy's scum he smells fucking bad kill him" The only exception is when Macpo is seriously close to dying, then he sheds some doubt on the lynch. Meapak, I think, has been correct about GGQ this entire time, but just hasn't been going about it properly. Of course, our job is easy; if GGQ is not scum, I'm almost 100% sure Meapak is, because that's the only target he's tunneled. The reason I say this is because Meapak has had several days to contribute and yet he's always been focused on tunneling GGQ. Normally I'd be uncomfortable with aligning flips like that, and certainly if GGQ is town it'd be difficult to lynch Meapak (since there are things in Meapak's filter, notably what he said about L, that make him look town) but I think we have to consider the big picture instead of letting little things prevent us from making hard decisions. wbg please tell me how you meant that red bolded statement. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote: Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum? Actually I think this move makes more sense from a town-BM perspective than anything else he's done in this game, given that he's paranoid, crazy, likes to claim towntells and has a strong scum read on Sandroba. Let's say Bill has one of his "towntells" on one of the BGs, but he's quite suspicious of the other. Two reasons for naming Sandroba instead of the townie: 1. He might get a two-for-the-price-of-one scumlynch if he gets killed. 2. He might get a reaction out of Cwave or Jitsu if they're scum because they'll know he's lying. | ||
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United Kingdom1376 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote: Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba. based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them | ||
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