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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#3581
Jitsu we are most likely going to kill one of our elected officials today anyways. Moreover Cwave claims BC declared one of his bg's as possible mafia and you confirm this fact. If he thinks this bodyguard is possible mafia he should want him dead and should give up is name. This is strong logic, this is not bluehunting. This is scumhunting. Don't be confused.
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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 22 2012 16:46 GMT
#3582
We should lynch glurio today. I posted a case on him earlier. He is definetely scum.
+ after that pandemic will stop to annoy me :-)
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
January 22 2012 16:47 GMT
#3583
On January 23 2012 01:32 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:04 jaj22 wrote:
Google translate is fine, really. They're talking about whether I should be an orange read for flopping on Macpo and Sandroba at the end. To which I'd reply:

1. Macpo had something like 16 votes on him and was basically dead when I defended him. That would be some seriously dumb scum play. I eventually voted for him because he quit playing, like I said in the thread. I suspect scum had a lot more warning about that than I did.

2. I read a lot of Sandroba's games during day 3 to check his meta and came to the conclusion that he was at least plausible scum. Then he posted one drunken line in three days so I guessed he'd quit playing too.

I'm happier with those votes that my KingJames one, because I have a bad habit of reading people as scum just because they're abusive. I'd have voted GGQ otherwise in the situation though, and I'm pissed off at him for not trying even after Protact switched his read.



I'll check the macpo 16 vote thing later... you're orange that means don't lynch right now.


hey, thanks for including me <3

unfortunately, I got an application to finish today, it's a lot of work. I'll be rewarded with an internship at MAN hopefully real life stuff is more important

So I just scanned through your log real quick and will provide my opinions to it late tonight or tomorrow...

but the quick scan revealed that you didn't talk about BC/BM at all. Why is that?

Be back in some hours...

Go TOWN!
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 22 2012 16:48 GMT
#3584
On January 23 2012 01:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:32 supersoft wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:04 jaj22 wrote:
Google translate is fine, really. They're talking about whether I should be an orange read for flopping on Macpo and Sandroba at the end. To which I'd reply:

1. Macpo had something like 16 votes on him and was basically dead when I defended him. That would be some seriously dumb scum play. I eventually voted for him because he quit playing, like I said in the thread. I suspect scum had a lot more warning about that than I did.

2. I read a lot of Sandroba's games during day 3 to check his meta and came to the conclusion that he was at least plausible scum. Then he posted one drunken line in three days so I guessed he'd quit playing too.

I'm happier with those votes that my KingJames one, because I have a bad habit of reading people as scum just because they're abusive. I'd have voted GGQ otherwise in the situation though, and I'm pissed off at him for not trying even after Protact switched his read.



I'll check the macpo 16 vote thing later... you're orange that means don't lynch right now.


hey, thanks for including me <3

unfortunately, I got an application to finish today, it's a lot of work. I'll be rewarded with an internship at MAN hopefully real life stuff is more important

So I just scanned through your log real quick and will provide my opinions to it late tonight or tomorrow...

but the quick scan revealed that you didn't talk about BC/BM at all. Why is that?

Be back in some hours...

Go TOWN!


because the log continues ;-)
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 22 2012 16:52 GMT
#3585
Until supersoft posts real analysis or comments on BM/BC he should be on read but no response lists right now. He's not making any town sense or exhibiting pro-town behavior and his decision not to at this point cannot be ignored. He's looking more and more like a smokescreen for mafia.

BUT supersoft I'm all for people talking to you if you are talking about important town issues and not instead going after people pretty much irrelevant to current town agenda. We can give even more talk about your candidates if you talk about the major candidates.
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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
January 22 2012 16:57 GMT
#3586
p4NDemik, you need to chill out a bit. Your post have the context of analysis, but your tone is all saber rattling and alarmism. This is not a townie quality. I appreciate the effort your putting into this game, but we are coming to different conclusions in reads...

also:
On January 22 2012 23:09 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 22:51 Slardar wrote:
I think after the KingJames debacle, everyone shouldn't be so quick to jump to BC's words. Also now that Protract is dead flipped blue, it makes Foolishness and BC bandwagonning on everything together seem suspicious.

"25 of 40 Town-aligned players remaining
6 of 10 Mafia remaining"

Either way I compare the BM vs BC situation, it is always going to be more deadly that BC is scum, as opposed to BM who probably used his 3 incarcerates at this point and is useless. If we don't get a Mafia and they kill 3 the following night, if BC is scum they have almost 50% of the votes at that point (21 vs 9)

If everyone is so hellbent on killing both BM & BC, why not start with BC first? Longer we wait, the more impossible it's going to be to lynch him and we're getting to a LyLo situation with a fucking wonky mayor. I can't see how that is beneficial.

Also - BM may be an idiot but at least he isn't influencing the discussions or doing much, BC is either awful town with his reads, or brilliant scum leading the town to do whatever the fuck he wants. Either way after yesterday (We lynched a soon to be modkilled dude, and Kingjames) I'm finished listening to him. He is way more disruptive in a town atmosphere than BM will ever be at this point, and deserves to die.

LMFAO
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
January 22 2012 17:04 GMT
#3587
On January 23 2012 01:34 p4NDemik wrote:
Jitsu we are most likely going to kill one of our elected officials today anyways. Moreover Cwave claims BC declared one of his bg's as possible mafia and you confirm this fact. If he thinks this bodyguard is possible mafia he should want him dead and should give up is name. This is strong logic, this is not bluehunting. This is scumhunting. Don't be confused.


We didn't say anything about the BG's being mafia. We said that BM gave us fake BG names. Or am I not following you.



On January 23 2012 01:46 supersoft wrote:
We should lynch glurio today. I posted a case on him earlier. He is definetely scum.
+ after that pandemic will stop to annoy me :-)


I agree with this, although he thinks I am scum. If not today, soon.
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
January 22 2012 17:12 GMT
#3588
Also, feel free to masion me!
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 22 2012 17:12 GMT
#3589
ok here's a thing for you VE:

You claimed joat and I thought early on it's a fake because you tried to day-vig someone with a made up kill-command.
If you are not a dayvig there is no command in your pm to kill someone, therefore you can't know a killcommand and your kill command completly bogus. My read d1 was "either VT/VET trying to get shot or a mafia joat/mason who can prove his joat if he has too with awesome mason powers".
So that's one thing that bothers me. Next thing:
You claimed joat yet you never claimed to be roleblocked and as far as I can see you never claimed a shot. Why did you not shoot? vig's are dropping like flies and you are not shooting? the fuck?
Also, why did noone roleblock you? Because mafia thought (like I did) you're a guy trying to block a hit? That means you're either a VT or a VET to them if they did not roleblock you. Funny sidenote: You claimed to be shot. Why do they shoot you with a single (!) when they think you're a VT OR a Vet? Why not doublestack or roleblock+shoot you?

I think you look townie this game but this whole story stinks and you're either as green as you can get or as red as you can get. Sadly I don't know which one yet.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 22 2012 17:13 GMT
#3590
I appreciate the criticism hiro, it is noted and I hope I am less of this going forward. If my attitude is really clouding my analysis and scaring town at this point that is a major problem.

I would like to know more about our diverging reads though, please tell me more. You are DT, your word carries more weight than many of our unconfirmed roles out there, and certainly more than a lurker or otherwise suspicious player.

@Jitsu your post confuses me even more now. Hold on a sec we need to know why we are misreading Cwave's post:

On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum?

I'm going to removed the acronyms and replace them with the names of the players and roles they are referring to. They are very similar and may cause confusion to show how we could have misinterpreted his post. I'll also correct a small typo just because I'm a little bit ocd like that

On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that (Bill Murray) at least provided the same two names as (bodyguard)s to us. With that, we also saw (BloodyC0bbler) list one of the bodyguards as scum that (Bill Murray) provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bodyguards as scum?

He is now saying BM did not give out fake names. You are now disagreeing with him but saying that your posts concur. This makes no sense.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#3591
also I'm done chatting with SS (probably should not call the logs SS-logs :p ) for today. We did not talk about vets yet because we talked about other players first because it all comes down to wether some people are mafia or not. Discussing lurkers is going to be done within a couple of lines. Discussing someone like BC will take some time.

We won't publish the logs yet because we thought it's a good idea to not give away ALL of our reads just yet, especially the town ones. I'll reread the first log and consider afterwards if I'm going to translate it yet.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#3592
On January 23 2012 02:13 p4NDemik wrote:
I appreciate the criticism hiro, it is noted and I hope I am less of this going forward. If my attitude is really clouding my analysis and scaring town at this point that is a major problem.

I would like to know more about our diverging reads though, please tell me more. You are DT, your word carries more weight than many of our unconfirmed roles out there, and certainly more than a lurker or otherwise suspicious player.

@Jitsu your post confuses me even more now. Hold on a sec we need to know why we are misreading Cwave's post:

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that BM atleast provided the same two names as BG's to us. With that, we also saw BC list one of the Bg's as scum that BM provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bg as scum?

I'm going to removed the acronyms and replace them with the names of the players and roles they are referring to. They are very similar and may cause confusion to show how we could have misinterpreted his post. I'll also correct a small typo just because I'm a little bit ocd like that

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 20:07 Cwave wrote:
Got mason'd by Jitsu last day and i can confirm that (Bill Murray) at least provided the same two names as (bodyguard)s to us. With that, we also saw (BloodyC0bbler) list one of the bodyguards as scum that (Bill Murray) provided us. Why would a mayor list one of his bodyguards as scum?

He is now saying BM did not give out fake names. You are now disagreeing with him but saying that your posts concur. This makes no sense.


No i think you misunderstand. We got given the same two names from BillMurray. That doesn't mean they are the real two bodyguards or that they are scum/town. Just the same. So either BillMurray lied and gave us two wrong names, or BC doesn't even remember who he has deemed scum.
Either way, someone has lied.

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
January 22 2012 17:29 GMT
#3593
What Cwave said. The information we KNOW:

The names Bill Murray gave us were the same.
One of the names that was posted by BloodyCobbler was one of the "Bodyguards" Bill Murray gave us.

From that point, only assumptions can be made, because the idea of complete knowledge lies only with the people that 100% know the identity of the real Bodyguard's. This whole thing is fishy, though.
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 22 2012 17:35 GMT
#3594
You are right the not giving out fake names thing is a good point. It is possible he doesn't trust you both and thus gave you both false names. I was correct on the second part of your statement (BC could be lying about having pinned a bg as scum) but I whiffed on the first part. There was no misunderstanding, I just failed to realize this possibility.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 22 2012 17:43 GMT
#3595
am I the only one thinking that claiming bullshit joat + not shooting + not being roleblocked + still alive d4 looks werd?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 22 2012 17:46 GMT
#3596
Yes it is weird Toad and you provide good analysis. I'm looking forward to a response.
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Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
January 22 2012 17:56 GMT
#3597
On January 23 2012 02:43 Toadesstern wrote:
am I the only one thinking that claiming bullshit joat + not shooting + not being roleblocked + still alive d4 looks werd?


just stopping by. he claimed to be shot same day as you did iirc. and shots were missing indeed. no time to check myself...got to finish application
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 22 2012 18:01 GMT
#3598
On January 23 2012 02:56 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:43 Toadesstern wrote:
am I the only one thinking that claiming bullshit joat + not shooting + not being roleblocked + still alive d4 looks werd?


just stopping by. he claimed to be shot same day as you did iirc. and shots were missing indeed. no time to check myself...got to finish application


I know. That's the reason I'm giving him a chance to explain himself instead of just lynching him.

Another thing supersoft asked me was if protact had some hidden reads about people. Like people he checked and tried to breadcrum. I was not able to find something, if you're able to see something tell me. If there's nothing I'd say he either checked GGQ or me. Notice how he was fosing me HARDCORE and at some point in time just stopped and said "don't sweat it, you're town bro" or something like that? Same about GGQ.
Protact fosed both of us and I find my explanation plausible but of course that's biased because I'm talking about myself :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 18:08 GMT
#3599
My scum-VE theory hinged on BM jailing a scum-GGQ on night 2 to protect him from vigs, and I don't have another theory that makes much sense. Surely mafia wouldn't deliberately blow their 4th KP just to give VE a bit of towncred?

You're right that it looks weird as hell. Medics covering VE? Mason but no shots from VE?

jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
January 22 2012 18:10 GMT
#3600
@Toad: I went breadcrumb-hunting in Protact's filter and I reckon he checked Macpo on day 1 (defending Sandro repeatedly because he just had to lynch Macpo) and you on day 2 (Red->"innocent").

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