EPTI would like to point out that it may have been a good idea for a single "vet" to out himself. Here is where a detective would announce himself as vet. If there were any others, they could simply send a PM over to the alleged vet and ask if they are actually a different role posing as vet and alert them that they're going to counter-claim them. The "fake" vet could then ask the entire thread for any "vet" counter-claims because if there were another one, it'd basically give the village a 50/50 or on a double lynch a 100% chance of getting the mafia. However because the fake and real vet already know of each other, there would be no probable counter-claims. Once that has been established, the "fake vet" could then ask for role claims to be sent to him in the form of PMs and ask the doctor PMs to protect him in case the mafia is on to his scheme. He could then lead the village and have possible suspects in case the real roles PMed to him die. A little too late for it but I thought it'd be a good plan for maybe a future game now as it'd benefit the village I believe.
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
I would like to point out that it may have been a good idea for a single "vet" to out himself. Here is where a detective would announce himself as vet. If there were any others, they could simply send a PM over to the alleged vet and ask if they are actually a different role posing as vet and alert them that they're going to counter-claim them. The "fake" vet could then ask the entire thread for any "vet" counter-claims because if there were another one, it'd basically give the village a 50/50 or on a double lynch a 100% chance of getting the mafia. However because the fake and real vet already know of each other, there would be no probable counter-claims. Once that has been established, the "fake vet" could then ask for role claims to be sent to him in the form of PMs and ask the doctor PMs to protect him in case the mafia is on to his scheme. He could then lead the village and have possible suspects in case the real roles PMed to him die. A little too late for it but I thought it'd be a good plan for maybe a future game now as it'd benefit the village I believe. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
But as I have stated now a million times, I was very rushed, didn't have time to look over everything properly, and was threatened with modkill. So after perusing some of the backlog, I had to make a quick vote. I looked for the most recent official tally (which was 6-3) and voted for Hyperbola as it was who I was leaning towards anyway and my vote seemed inconsequential regardless. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
THIS IS FROM HIM "Did you see the "A final word" thing. That pretty much sums up this argument from my side. I'm saying that you criticizing youngmini for saying "hey lots not lynch people" and your decision to abstain both come from the same reason: We don't have enough info. And thus, since you criticize Youngmini, you are contradicting yourself. Do I make myself clear?" ----------------------------------------- Original Message: THIS IS FROM ME In response to: On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote: It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it? and that I am pointing out that you are contradicitng yourself by saying that abstaining is bad and abstaining yourself. no where in there did I say I was against abstaining. I said not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision. Individuals abstaining doesn't mean no one will be lynched. I was against the plan of EVERYONE abstaining, not the idea of abstaining in general. Sorry, if I was confusing about that. No had feelings either way lol. The contradiction comes from the fact that though I voted abstain because I didn't have enough information and yet I criticized youngminii (your) call for us all to "no-lynch" on day one because there wasn't enough information I voted for Subversion because I didn't like the initial bandwagon on BrownBear and was starting to have doubts because of Subversion's perceived bad play in Day 1 as well as his "slip" that the mafia made no mistakes so far. If you're going to say, omg that's bandwagon too then every majority vote is "bandwagoning". To me, bandwagoning is when there's a huge amount of votes for one person over a very short amount of time. I don't think I bandwagoned. Also, after reading what Subversion has said as well as some things that Pandain stated in the thread, I've moved my vote off him. Get off my back. Thanks =] | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:01 chaoser wrote: Are you still going on about me? Pandain and I have pretty much squared away the problem he had with me: THIS IS FROM HIM "Did you see the "A final word" thing. That pretty much sums up this argument from my side. I'm saying that you criticizing youngmini for saying "hey lots not lynch people" and your decision to abstain both come from the same reason: We don't have enough info. And thus, since you criticize Youngmini, you are contradicting yourself. Do I make myself clear?" ----------------------------------------- Original Message: THIS IS FROM ME In response to: no where in there did I say I was against abstaining. I said not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision. Individuals abstaining doesn't mean no one will be lynched. I was against the plan of EVERYONE abstaining, not the idea of abstaining in general. Sorry, if I was confusing about that. No had feelings either way lol. The contradiction comes from the fact that though I voted abstain because I didn't have enough information and yet I criticized youngminii (your) call for us all to "no-lynch" on day one because there wasn't enough information I voted for Subversion because I didn't like the initial bandwagon on BrownBear and was starting to have doubts because of Subversion's perceived bad play in Day 1 as well as his "slip" that the mafia made no mistakes so far. If you're going to say, omg that's bandwagon too then every majority vote is "bandwagoning". To me, bandwagoning is when there's a huge amount of votes for one person over a very short amount of time. I don't think I bandwagoned. Also, after reading what Subversion has said as well as some things that Pandain stated in the thread, I've moved my vote off him. Get off my back. Thanks =] Umm... just so your not misled I still think your mafia, which is why I'm still voting for you. Also, I didn't really want to argue that much in the PMs because I wanted everyone to hear it so they could clarify/contribute/say"OMG YOUR WRONG" my statements. The one thing we did settle was that he now acknowledges his contradiction. I'm slightly less suscipious, but still think your mafia. Just clarifying  . | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
4] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, Jayme) 4] Brownbear (Divinek, amber, tricode. OPZ) 3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia) 2] chaoser (pandain, youngminii) 2] abstain] (brownbear, chaoser) | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
##Vote Chaoser I would abstain but we can afford a mislynch now and we have a bit of information to work with especially because the detectives have their reports and we have a claim. This generally works in our favour as there hasn't been a lucky kill for the mafia and there is alot more text to read upon for scumtells. Also we get more info now. (Not quite sure how this works in my head but I imagine a detective claim from someone getting lynched day 2 is much more convincing than one on day 1 especially because they have a report now) | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:19 SouthRawrea wrote: Um this is getting a bit too heated in my opinion but this may all just be coming from the fact that chaoser is furiously trying to get the town's suspicion placed on Subversion or he's reading wayyy too much into the words typed out by Subversion. This is his first game and I can emphasize with him because you don't quite think out every thing you type especially in your first game. If I try to help my team (because I've played a couple of forum games before) I generally type furiously without reading over what I've typed and trying to think how that would read to another player. Also, I'm pretty sure Subversion hasn't mentioned you. I do think you're trying too hard to tunnel him (not sure if that term is used here). However, it's not like you're voting him or anything which makes me inclined to think that you're just trying to defend yourself and help the village in general. I don't see why you'd go for Subversion instead of an inactive such as me. ##Vote Chaoser I would abstain but we can afford a mislynch now and we have a bit of information to work with especially because the detectives have their reports and we have a claim. This generally works in our favour as there hasn't been a lucky kill for the mafia and there is alot more text to read upon for scumtells. Also we get more info now. (Not quite sure how this works in my head but I imagine a detective claim from someone getting lynched day 2 is much more convincing than one on day 1 especially because they have a report now) You'll notice that 1) In my previous post I stated I no longer was that suspicious of him. 2) I'm not even voting for him anymore 3) I was initially arguing for BrownBear's lynch. So wrong on all three counts. Thanks for trying to misrepresent me though. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:36 chaoser wrote: Oh, you too Pandain. The contradiction is hardly any contradiction and the only remaining part of your argument against me is that I was very suspicious of BrownBear but then moved on to Subversion when I clearly explain why I did in my post about voting for Subversion. What? It's not much of a contradiction that you appear to be pro town by rallying against youngmini for advocating no-lynching yet all the while abstain yourself (thus helping the mafia). | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:30 chaoser wrote: You'll notice that 1) In my previous post I stated I no longer was that suspicious of him. 2) I'm not even voting for him anymore 3) I was initially arguing for BrownBear's lynch. So wrong on all three counts. Thanks for trying to misrepresent me though. 1) It could very well possible you act that way because of the pressure beginning to build on you now shown with 2 votes +mine. 2) Addressed that already. 3) WUT On July 21 2010 11:01 chaoser wrote: I didn't like the initial bandwagon on BrownBear On July 21 2010 11:30 chaoser wrote: Explain #3I was initially arguing for BrownBear's lynch. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:39 SouthRawrea wrote: 1) It could very well possible you act that way because of the pressure beginning to build on you now shown with 2 votes +mine. 2) Addressed that already. 3) WUT Explain #3 I'll be more clear, I initially stated that I thought BrownBear was suspicious. I didn't vote because I didn't like the initial bandwagon on him. As the game wore on, I started to think Subversion was suspicious. Also, I changed my vote on him AFTER he spoke which just so happened to be after youngminii and pandain voted for me. It's not even that much pressure since I clearly felt like I haven't done anything scummy at all. Just read my posts. And finally, point three is about how you say "chaoser is furiously trying to get the town's suspicion placed on Subversion" when I clearly haven't. Whatever, i'm going to sleep. See you all in the morning. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:38 Pandain wrote: What? It's not much of a contradiction that you appear to be pro town by rallying against youngmini for advocating no-lynching yet all the while abstain yourself (thus helping the mafia). So does that mean all abstainers are "helping the mafia?" If I remember correctly, you at one point also considered abstaining. Pandain United States. July 18 2010 10:44. Posts 428 PM Profile Report Quote # Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. You also advocated against no-lynching in that quote up there as a response to Tricode. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 21 2010 11:57 chaoser wrote: So does that mean all abstainers are "helping the mafia?" If I remember correctly, you at one point also considered abstaining. You also advocated against no-lynching in that quote up there as a response to Tricode. Omg Im sorry I just can't stop laughing. Seriously, I'm sorry, and I'm sure you probably just missed it, but SERIOUSLY? Pandain United States. July 18 2010 10:44. Posts 428 PM Profile Report Quote # Yeah I think we should lynch, just because isn't the mafia going to kill one of us by the next day? Then again, I'd feel horrible if I lynched a good person. I might abstain, but I'll have to see both sides first. I'll decide later. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
 . Read the bolded part above and you'll see my stance. I say "I MIGHT abstain", but that's just because this is my very first game so I had to see both sides. However, I said "I think we should lynch." | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:02 Pandain wrote: Fuck it I sound mean. Here, I'll clarify more . Read the bolded part above and you'll see my stance. I say "I MIGHT abstain", but that's just because this is my very first game so I had to see both sides. However, I said "I think we should lynch." Saying you MIGHT abstain means you have a similar thought process as me, that there's not enough information. And I already say that you were for lynching aka against, the no-lynch plan. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 21 2010 12:07 chaoser wrote: Saying you MIGHT abstain means you have a similar thought process as me, that there's not enough information. And I already say that you were for lynching aka against, the no-lynch plan. Wait so what? Haha I totally misread that  . But now your thing doesn't make any since. Yeah I'm against abstaining. So what? Also, I'll have to reread my statement in its context to explain. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
i'm not convinced about any of the lynch candidates so far, so i'll wait on that. | ||
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