EPT##vote abstain ...for now
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:09 Subversion wrote: THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced  This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote! I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary?? Really bad idea. Looking through the perspective of you being green/blue - the last tally was before the two unvotes so the fact that you thought he was fucked _might_ be true. Looking through the perspective of you being red -it's your first game, and you're dropping the ball hard -you can't hide your scummy side properly -the "I'm new" card is a good way to stay out of trouble and has been used before by mafia. [After reading DTA's forum when he was red, I noticed that generally the newer players take orders from experienced players to the point.] That being said, I still suck at behavioral analysis (see my past games) so I'll remain neutral on this matter for a little longer. ##Vote: Abstain | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
@Infundibulum: You said "DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness." I got the opposite vibe from that, I'd just like to hear some more detail on why you felt that way. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Someone stated afterwards that their was an error in counting somewhere, and there were 2 unvotes after that I didn't see. My vote only looks suspicious due to really poor timing =/ | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:29 Subversion wrote: Go back and look. There's a tally by someone saying 7-4, then after that my vote comes. Someone stated afterwards that their was an error in counting somewhere, and there were 2 unvotes after that I didn't see. My vote only looks suspicious due to really poor timing =/ You don't vote for someone just because "they're fucked anyways". That's how bandwagons form. If we have a mafia starting a bandwagon, we _should_not_ just jump on it even if it's winning. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I'm really not feeling Subversion as red at this point. The voting was not particularly close, and even if it was, BM's counting was making it look otherwise. Haven't changed my thoughts on Brown Bear either. @Infundibulum: You said "DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness." I got the opposite vibe from that, I'd just like to hear some more detail on why you felt that way. The voting was extremely close, actually. It was 5-5 when he voted for Hyper, though he says he thought it was 7-4, and to be fair this is possible since there were mistakes in the vote tally and they weren't counted often. It's Subversions reactions that make me think he might be town who screwed up and is now in over his head. Well if you look back around page 27 or so, DTA basically goes all out on Foolishness quoting all of his posts, asking "are you so innocent yourself?" And then Foolishness gets killed by the mafia at night. I know that this is a bit of wifom, but i find it hard to think that a red would put himself out like that starting a feud with someone he was targeting. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:31 LaXerCannon wrote: You don't vote for someone just because "they're fucked anyways". That's how bandwagons form. If we have a mafia starting a bandwagon, we _should_not_ just jump on it even if it's winning. I've already defended this a million times now I told you, there was noone else that looked better, and I didn't want to abstain. Sure, maybe I should've just abstained, but everyone was saying abstaining is stupid and I'm new and I didn't want to fuck up. Lol, that's gone great so far  Also, why the fuck all the attention on my vote? Someone made a great post about how Hyperbola's fate was sealed in a block of 4 or 5 votes within an hour. Why is noone looking at those people? My vote came hours afterwards, when he was already circling the drain. It seems pretty clear to me that I'm just a n00b townie jumping on a bandwagon. Why has everyone forgotten about the big group of people that STARTED the bandwagon in the 1st place? | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:42 Subversion wrote: I've already defended this a million times now I told you, there was noone else that looked better, and I didn't want to abstain. Sure, maybe I should've just abstained, but everyone was saying abstaining is stupid and I'm new and I didn't want to fuck up. Lol, that's gone great so far Also, why the fuck all the attention on my vote? Someone made a great post about how Hyperbola's fate was sealed in a block of 4 or 5 votes within an hour. Why is noone looking at those people? My vote came hours afterwards, when he was already circling the drain. It seems pretty clear to me that I'm just a n00b townie jumping on a bandwagon. Why has everyone forgotten about the big group of people that STARTED the bandwagon in the 1st place? I didn't say that that wasn't the case. I merely said why it's a bad idea. If you look, I didn't even vote for you. To answer your questions: 1. It was 5-5 with hyperbola going to die. two people unvoted near the end -> mafia thinks that another might bail making it 4-5 so by adding one more vote, you're putting the nail on the coffin. 2. Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on the very first day. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
You're saying that Hyperbola was a mafia vote - but you're also saying the people who started the bandwagon with 5 votes are likely not mafia? That makes no sense =/ | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:04 LaXerCannon wrote: I didn't say that that wasn't the case. I merely said why it's a bad idea. If you look, I didn't even vote for you. To answer your questions: 1. It was 5-5 with hyperbola going to die. two people unvoted near the end -> mafia thinks that another might bail making it 4-5 so by adding one more vote, you're putting the nail on the coffin. 2. Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on the very first day. You know, if subversion is mafia and he voted for Hyperbola, that means that Youngmini is mafia too. Now that brings up the question, is Youngmini Mafia? Now, we have a Secret Friendship Alliance, and that is even more sacred than bff rings. So I do not believe he is mafia. Other people's thoughts? Intresting Tidbit: If Youngmini IS mafia, that also means that it is less likely chaoser is mafia. Since Youngmini did vote for lynching Chaoser. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 21 2010 09:42 Subversion wrote: I've already defended this a million times now I told you, there was noone else that looked better, and I didn't want to abstain. Sure, maybe I should've just abstained, but everyone was saying abstaining is stupid and I'm new and I didn't want to fuck up. Lol, that's gone great so far Also, why the fuck all the attention on my vote? Someone made a great post about how Hyperbola's fate was sealed in a block of 4 or 5 votes within an hour. Why is noone looking at those people? My vote came hours afterwards, when he was already circling the drain. It seems pretty clear to me that I'm just a n00b townie jumping on a bandwagon. Why has everyone forgotten about the big group of people that STARTED the bandwagon in the 1st place? You came in with the deciding vote in the end. Hyperbola's fate wasn't sealed and he easily could have been the one still alive today and not youngminii. The person who started Hyperbola's vote train was the guy Hyperbola accused at the very beginning without reading anything. The Mafia has no reason to start a bandwagon on Day 1. No need to risk, especially when they know who's what and they have the power to pretty much bandwagon any vote at the last minute to skew it in their favor. Which brings us back to you, the deciding vote in the end. I'd say you sealed Hyperbola's fate by jumping on board late, which can very possibly be due to Mafia bandwagoning at the last moment. Also, don't bring up this noob card. No one cares if you're a noob. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Another thing; If the Mafia HAD been aware of BM's miscalculation, and Subversion IS part of the mafia, than perhaps the mafia did do this to save Youngmini. So the question comes down to whether the mafia was aware or not. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On July 19 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: If you wish to replace into this game, PM me, and I will replace someone who I modkill. I have class, so this will be the last vote count until I get back if I have time later. the day ends in a little under 4 1/2 hours, at 9pm est/10kst This is the message I saw. Voting was 6-3 and I was threatening to be modkilled. I didn't have a lot of time to go over stuff, and I didn't want to be modkilled. So I read over some stuff as quickly as I could, and looked like everyone had it in for Hyperbola. I didn't want to rock the boat, abstain, or be modkilled, so I voted for him. End of story. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:21 Pandain wrote: Also, at the time Subversion voted, if he had been following up to that point he should have thought it was 4-3 (Hyperbola-Youngmini.) Two people had just unvoted Hyperbola,(neither of them changed their vote to youngmini.) It turns out BM had miscounted the votes(As far as I am aware), but if Subversion had not known that, his vote would have just made it a tie, not have been the deciding factor. Another thing; If the Mafia HAD been aware of BM's miscalculation, and Subversion IS part of the mafia, than perhaps the mafia did do this to save Youngmini. So the question comes down to whether the mafia was aware or not. I tried explaining this earlier but did a piss poor job. In short, BM's miscalculation was only after the day was over. BM had a vote tally before that, but Jaymee (the vote that was miscounted) voted after that tally. So if the Mafia had their own internal tally going (not entirely unlikely - quick PM saying "holy shit it's 5-5"), they could have realized it was 5-5 and pushed it one way or the other. It could also be a coincidence and the Mafia are sitting back laughing at their fortunate circumstances. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
<voting> --Final tally (6-4)-- [incorrect, should be 6-5] ^ crappy diagram of what happened. But honestly I feel at this point it's a sidetrack only serving to derail the discussion. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:32 SiNiquity wrote: --BM tally (6-3)-- [correct] <voting> --Final tally (6-4)-- [incorrect, should be 6-5] ^ crappy diagram of what happened. But honestly I feel at this point it's a sidetrack only serving to derail the discussion. How so? Explain of course. I mean, we only have a limited time to discuss so any conversations we can put aside will be helpful. | ||
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LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
On July 21 2010 10:12 Subversion wrote: Your two reasons contradict each other imo. You're saying that Hyperbola was a mafia vote - but you're also saying the people who started the bandwagon with 5 votes are likely not mafia? That makes no sense =/ can you not think of a scenario that involves both? dumb people start the vote then the mafia sees a chance and helps it in anyway possible. of course, it's just a scenario and is not fact | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
But if you truly think it was a mafia instigation, it would seem that those original voters were at least worth looking at. I think my defense of my vote really does make sense, I don't know why I am the only one explaining myself here. Is it REALLY just because I said "mafia aren't making too many mistakes'? | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
Ok, so BM posts: On July 19 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: Vote Count: 6] Hyperbola (Misder, Divinek, Pandain, Zeks, SiNiquity, bumatlarge) 3] YoungMinii (XeliN, Amber[LighT, Roffles) But Infundibulum was the first to vote for youngminii. So his vote was missed. At this point it was actually 6 - 4. This is what follows: On July 19 2010 06:30 BrownBear wrote: ###Vote: Hyperbola 7 - 4 On July 19 2010 07:53 Jayme wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Youngminii 7 - 5 On July 19 2010 08:38 Misder wrote: ##Unvote: Hyperbola Vote: LaXerCannon 6 - 5 On July 19 2010 08:58 zeks wrote: ##unvote hyperbola ##abstain 5 - 5 On July 19 2010 09:16 Subversion wrote: ##Vote: Hyperbola 6 - 5 BM then doesn't count Jaymee's vote in the final tally for youngminii, quoting 6 - 4. | ||
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