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On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you?
they picked.
vote count:
4] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, amber, tricode)
3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
1] chaoser (pandain)
abstain] (brownbear)
im on my buddy's shitty ass comp with poor wireless, so if i missed any votes, or vote changes, pm me. i will definitely do more concise counting when i get home.
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On July 21 2010 06:02 chaoser wrote:
Also, I'm going to put in my vote for Subversion. So far I don't know how I feel about BrownBear. At first I wanted to vote him. He's been playing badly and didn't do anything day one. But then at the same time people jumped all over voting for him in the beginning until just recently when people switched to Subversion, or at least it feels like that.
Subversion's little mafia mistake statement is just weird all in all and was part of that voting block (everyone's already mentioned this) so I'll put my vote on him for now but I'll have to see. Still a full day left.
##vote Subversion
I personally understand the brownbear vote because I was thinking about doing the same thing.
Subversion's strange comments have been well...strange and I'm really itching to vote for him because his foot in mouth syndrome could get us in trouble later in the game when saying something stupid can have catastrophic consequences.
That being said
##Vote:Subversion
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guy. name changes aren't allowed for old dogs 
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On July 21 2010 08:20 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 02:23 citi.zen wrote:
Quick question for BM: did the mafia get to choose their GF in this game, or was is assigned by you? they picked. vote count:Show nested quote +4] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, amber, tricode)
3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
1] chaoser (pandain)
abstain] (brownbear) im on my buddy's shitty ass comp with poor wireless, so if i missed any votes, or vote changes, pm me. i will definitely do more concise counting when i get home.
Opz voted BB too
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I completely agree with and back Pandain's suspicion against chaoser. I have two reasons.
My first reason is Pandain's points. The majority of his points are valid and chaoser's responses are sub-par. The biggest point that sticks out to me is the fact that chaoser didn't change his vote from abstaining after drilling me so hard. Why? Well he probably knew hyperbola was going to be lynched and there's no use jumping on any bandwagons to raise suspicion. I don't really have an opinion on BB's bandwagon except that it was almost as random as hyperbola's. I was pretty much certain that hyperbola was not scum whereas for BB I cannot say the same however it doesn't warrant my vote. Another thing that irks me at the moment is how chaoser jumped on the subversion bandwagon instead of hyperbola's. There could be a few reasons such as BB is scum and chaoser is protecting him by backing the second bandwagon or BB is town and chaoser doesn't want to raise suspicion on himself. Either way, more evidence points to him being scum than not.
My second reason is outside this thread.
On July 20 2010 23:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 15:35 youngminii wrote:
So a pretty interesting thing that happened was (believe me or not, it doesn't really affect anything) foolishness pm'd me this morning being pretty vague. He said something like he needed a few things for someone to check up on and that I could help him figure a few things out. I have no clue what he was talking about and by the time I replied he was already dead.
Anyways, now that SC2 is back down I'm gonna go read through pretty much the entire thread again. Brb. Why don't you think the claim by d3 and only one person dying last night means anything/affects anything?
For some reason, he sent me a PM asking the same question before posting on the thread. There was no way I couldn't raise my eyebrows but didn't know what to make of it. I replied to him telling him to post in the thread as posts are used in the future to analyse a player's actions and by PMing me he was bypassing that. Then he goes on to ask my opinions of his play so far which I still can't make anything out of. The reason I didn't post this before was because I thought he was a newbie and I didn't want to use it against him but I just looked at his posting history and it seems as if he's played games before. I don't know why he PM'd me but it seriously rang alarm bells in my head.
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Oh right.
##Vote chaoser
I also say we lynch BB at a later date just to see what he is. What's more ridiculous than the hyperbola bandwagon is the subversion bandwagon, unless I missed some important post. I have this instinctive feeling that BB/DTA might be scum and most of the people voting for subversion are scum protecting BB/DTA.
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FoS tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser
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How were my responses sub-par? And I don't see why PM=scummy. People use to PM all the time when I played like a year ago. I was actually going to just post my PMs with you on the thread but decided against it cause I figured you might be against it/didn't want to.
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On July 21 2010 08:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:guy. name changes aren't allowed for old dogs
Okay, I just wanted to make sure as to not potentially offend somebody!
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On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote:
There is more evidence/weird things going on for BrownBear/Subversion than for me at this moment. I'd be more than happy to continue the next day but for now I'd like to focus on the issue that was being talked about before. Right now I feel like I'm just helping you in derailing the thread and so I'd like to continue this conversation in PMs and post those up if people want later.
Interesting idea. However, I am stuck as to whether to do this. I DO believe I may have stumbled upon something that everyone should now. Given that I myself am not the best debater, I posted this because I wanted other people to hear what they think.
On Subversion and BrownBear, I feel that Subversion is being voted on unfairly. Subversions one line "Oh the mafia aren't making too many mistakes" does not seem AT ALL to be indicative that he's the mafia. As Citizen has stated above me, it sounds reasonable coming from a new player such as him. I myself am still confused as to HOW this makes him mafia. Especially more so than brownbear.
But I do not believe this is derailing the thread. I believe I have found potentially vital information.
If someone believes that a person may be mafia, and offers enough evidence, how is that derailing the thread? Especially since with my theory if you ARE indeed mafia, this directly affects the possibility of Subversion and Brownbear being mafia.
With that, I shall begin to respond to your defenses. I am sorry if you are not mafia and I am in fact contributing to the mafia. But this information must be sorted out.
On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote:
I've never voted like that before but I can see where you're coming from. Usually when I vote I just vote for who I actually believe is suspicious. Next time I'll be sure to use my first day's vote to get people to talk.
Also, I don't think I said youngminii was stupid.
It's not that you said Youngmini is stupid, its that you are criticizing his plan for not lynching people(abstaining thus) because we do not have enough info. Then you abstain because you cannot make enough of a solid decision because of a lack of information. All the while criticizing Youngmini for advocating the same thing.
On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote:
I said it was bad to use the strategy of "no-lynch" on the first day, I didn't say it was bad to abstain. If I did I met it as part of the "no-lynch" strategy and not that abstaining by itself is bad. If i really thought abstaining was bad 1) I wouldn't have abstained lol and 2) I would have been vocal about others abstaining that first day.
The poing is you HAVE been vocal about other's abstaining the first day
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2010 03:46 chaoser wrote:
It's already been established that not lynching someone on the first day is a horrible decision, why are you still pushing for it?
and that I am pointing out that you are contradicitng yourself by saying that abstaining is bad and abstaining yourself.
On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote:
I don't think I was the first to make the claim and I don't want to double lynch BrownBear and Subversion, that's not even possible, if we vote double lynch today we'd get it the NEXT day in which case, if things are as they are now, either Subversion or BrownBear will have been lynched. Ok so I didn't reaffirm my decision about abstaining the first day. I'll make sure to do it if I continue to believe Subversion is the one I want to vote for after he talks ok?
Hmm this is actually a good point. *scratches his chin slowly*
I've been thinking about that for the last 10 minutes or so and I've decided that it's possible that you were going to bring up another possible mafia suspect(whos actually townie). Then you could get the town to double lynch. In fact, if Darthien is not mafia, then you could very well have predicted that we were going to double lynch Darth/Sub or Darth/BB. However, this is where I'm starting to get into one specific theory too much.
Again, I want other people to please contribute to this discussion. Especially since I'm not the best at explaining myself, heh
On July 21 2010 08:04 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Mmm... nice. That responds to my argument in no way at all. Maybe you quoted the wrong thing?
With that, please quote MY statements, not yorus. Makes it incredibally hard since I have to scroll up and down and just takes alot of effort . I don't know what you're referring to and I think I was confused on what you were referring to in your original statement with this line: Show nested quote +In addition, you yourself disagree with your own vote. I find that suscipious. Mm, I think that's all of it?
Man we are both so confused haha. "I'm not sure what you're talking about, because you aren't sure either." I don't understand any of this portion. anyway, that sums it up. I feel like stopping leading this charge just because I may become blind to certain aspects or may just fail in one argument, thus nulling the whole argument.
A Final Word:
You've brought up being against no lynching, yet saying abstaining is still okay. Yet I believe you are contradicting yourself just because the no lynching plan is based around the fact that we don't have enough information yet. And then you go and abstain just for that reason. So there I am saying that you are contradicting yourself.
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5] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, chaoser, jayme)
4] Brownbear (Divinek, amber[LighT], tricode, ~opz~)
3] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
1] chaoser (pandain, youngminii)
abstain] (brownbear)
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On July 20 2010 13:49 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:
Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. You speak of this voting block as though you weren't part of it... an important part too.
I voted for him much later than anyone else. I wasn't part of that big block that was referred to. He got a lot of early votes, and didn't really do much of a defense. There was very little to go on Day 1, as usual. I may have been a bit of a bandwagoner, but I didn't really think he did much to get himself out of the situation. I voted for him because there was noone else I really felt worth it, and I didn't really want to abstain.
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if you can hear a piano fall, you can hear me comin' down the hall. if i could just hear your pretty voice, i don't think i'd need to see at all.
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On July 21 2010 08:41 Pandain wrote:
On Subversion and BrownBear, I feel that Subversion is being voted on unfairly. Subversions one line "Oh the mafia aren't making too many mistakes" does not seem AT ALL to be indicative that he's the mafia. As Citizen has stated above me, it sounds reasonable coming from a new player such as him. I myself am still confused as to HOW this makes him mafia. Especially more so than brownbear.
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I personally do not have firm conviction that Subversion is Mafia, as there still isn't much to work off of. However, the post that I brought up with the line in question was brought to my attention through PM land, and while it is something a new player would say, Freudian slips are still part of Mafia. I think though that more people are suspicious of Subversion because of the way the voting turned out. It doesn't make him Mafia, as other people were bandwagoning on Hyperbola as well, though it does make him suspicious.
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On July 20 2010 15:44 Protactinium wrote:Probably not today, unless we can find two clearly delineated targets. Ah, scrolling backward. With the whole Vet idea, let's not forget this: Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 13:44 Subversion wrote:Hey man, congratulations, that's really exciting news  Wish you all the best On point, I was also in agreement about the weirdness of Foolishness's post, but now he's dead. Seems at the moment, mafia aren't making too many mistakes.Not sure about the block of votes for Hyperbola, seems if it was a scum-instigated thing they could have easily spread it out more? Might have just been a bunch of townies jumping on the bandwagon. Although, I would guess there's a good chance there's one or two mafia in there, who saw an opportunity to jump on a townie vote. And don't forget he made the winning (or losing...) vote.
Still don't know what is so suspicious about the bolded sentence I was just saying that to basically say, I didn't see anyone that really looked suspicious, so I voted for the person everyone was voting for, who hadn't really defended himself.
Also, I'd like to add I didn't think I was casting the deciding vote, at the time I voted it was 7-4, so I thought my vote was pretty inconsequential. Although someone later posted after voting that there had been an error in counting?
The point I am making here is that I was a bit inactive at the start as I hadn't realised the game had started and was away for the weekend and I jumped on a bandwagon because there was noone else that seemed worth voting for.
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Guys, these players haven't posted since Day 2 began:
7. xelin
10. lakrismamma
14. SouthRawrea
30. roffles
My thoughts on lynch candidates so far:
DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness.
BB - unsure.
Subversion - inexperienced townie.
Right not my spidey sense is tingling and i'm pretty sure that a lot of the recent posts are just town infighting while the mafia sits back and watches. The players on my list up there, and the ones who are attempting to slip under the radar with 1-2 posts since Day 2 are the kind of people we need to keep an eye on.
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On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:
Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia. Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more. + Show Spoiler +If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself. There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out. Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection. What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all. I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes." I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.
THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced
This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful
Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote!
I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary??
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On July 21 2010 09:06 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Guys, these players haven't posted since Day 2 began:
7. xelin
10. lakrismamma
14. SouthRawrea
30. roffles
My thoughts on lynch candidates so far:
DTA - probable town, based on his behavior towards Foolishness.
BB - unsure.
Subversion - inexperienced townie.
Right not my spidey sense is tingling and i'm pretty sure that a lot of the recent posts are just town infighting while the mafia sits back and watches. The players on my list up there, and the ones who are attempting to slip under the radar with 1-2 posts since Day 2 are the kind of people we need to keep an eye on.
Just putting it out there some of them have explained theyr'e not going to be active on a certain day. Doesn't mean Infundibulum isn't correct in saying we should be on the lookout for these guys, but it does lend credibility to some of the aforementioned players.
Xelin:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 02:42 XeliN wrote:
I don't have much time currently to commit to this game as much as I'd like, still keeping track just can't go over things as carefully as I should. I'll be fine after tomorrow, just caught me at a unfortunately busy period.
Anyway, Young, going back I didn't respond to you. Your right about my criticism of you for trying to influence the action of the blues, I didn't properly read what you were suggesting, which hopefully if I am right was simply that we should have organised a system whereby we make sure the blues do not use their night actions on the same person. I stand by my analysis of you however, I went over your posts and they did strike me as suspicious. Particularly the way you were pressing for lynching someone who was going to be modkilled anyway or a no lynch, which only hurts us.
Currently the best thing to look at would be voting patterns and arguments in light of Hyperbola flipping town, I'd be careful though because it's plausible that none of the people who voted for Hyper are mafia, this is a first day lynch afterall.
Your sig freaked me out earlier when I read it Bill, was reading the rules//roles section and didnt realise sig changes apply to old posts so had a weird moment of de ja vu xD
Lakrisamma: Don't see any explanation. Definitely be more cautious towards him.
SouthRawrea: Don't see any explanation. Definitely be more cautious towards him.
Roffles:+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 11:33 Roffles wrote:
I'm off to sleep, but I'll be back with more after PL is done. PS: Filter button allows me to see every post made by that user in a given thread. One click on Filter next to say Pandain's name allows me to see every single one of his 42 posts in this thread for easy reference.
Hmmm.... heavy heavy sleeper? :D. Could just be lazy, I am sometimes. So yeah, do what Infunblahblahbalh says, but at least he has more of an excuse. Again, this does not mean InFunblahblah is wrong, just that some of them may have more of an excuse than others.
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Okay, I can understand that Subversion. I guess you and BrownBear were both just pressure-voting, and those kinds of things do happen. Still though, you have to understand why it's suspicious to be like that.
As for the role claim, ambivalence. Generally either mass roleclaims work or nobody role claims. One or two people doing so is bound to lead to sniping in the future, and it takes confirmation first.
And Infundibulum's list is interesting. I'd forgotten about the inactives. Definitely going to pressure them to post, though I wouldn't mind seeing some modkills at this point to give us more information.
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