• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:01
CEST 05:01
KST 12:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Updates to The Core/Core Lite for v5.0.16? RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested
Tourneys
GSL CK #4 20-21th June Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser BW General Discussion Where is EffOrt? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason ZeroSpace Megathread Total War: Warhammer 40K Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7005 users

TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 43

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 193 Next
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 21 2010 12:24 GMT
#841
Oh BM, just btw, you've got Pyrrhuloxia in the sections for potential modkill and voting DTA
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 21 2010 12:47 GMT
#842
Starting to think BM is mafia for getting the votelist wrong again -_-

5]BrownBear (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode)
*note, rastaban wrote Vote BrownBear in Bold but didn't have ## in front, does that count?

5]Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, DarthThienAn, Jayme, chaoser)

6]DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, Misder, XeliN, zeks, Subversion)

3]chaoser (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea)

3]Abstain (BrownBear, LaXerCannon, SiNiquity)

People Yet to Vote:
lakrismamma, Infundibulum, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, protactinium, roffles

Double Lunch
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 21 2010 13:06 GMT
#843
Please check to see if my list is wrong
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 13:27 GMT
#844
thank you chaoser, but next time please pm me, as opposed to publicly degrading me

Vote Count:
6] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, misder, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion)
5] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, darththienan, jayme)
5] Brownbear (Divinek, amber[LighT], tricode, ~opz~)
2] chaoser (pandain, youngminii)
Abstain: (brownbear, chaoser, SiNiquity)


not voting and in risk of modkill:

iNfuNdiBuLuM, lakrismamma, rastaban, SouthRawrea, LaxerCannon, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, protactinium, Roffles

double lynch: 1/15
iNfuNdiBuLuM
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 13:34 GMT
#845
day ends in about 14 1/2 hours.
i'm going to bed. don't kill each other while i'm gone
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 21 2010 13:35 GMT
#846
Also, everyone, congratulate Qatol for having 1337 posts
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
July 21 2010 13:37 GMT
#847
I'll only congratulate him if he posts thanking me for doing so xD
Adonai bless
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 21 2010 14:19 GMT
#848
Yawn, just gonna pitch in my two liner here and say that Subversion's slip up doesn't really strike me as a real mafia slip up, just a minor error by a newbie.

As for BrownBear, I dunno really. His defense arguments seem townie enough, but I'm still wary of his vote, read, then no change on the vote tactic from Day 1.

Aside from DTA's antics, I think we're on the wrong path here, but that's just a hunch.
God Bless
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 21 2010 14:29 GMT
#849
Not sure why I am being listed as having not voted, here is my original post

On July 21 2010 01:59 rastaban wrote:
vote BrownBear

The mafia are in bad shape, screwing up and only getting 1 hit night one probably has them worried. Town still has 2 medics and vets so the best thing that could happen is for them is to narrow down who the vets are. Mafia still has the suicide bomber as well so role claiming is going to remain a terrible idea until we can lynch him since he can take out the person and the medic protecting him.

Remember BrownBear was nearly modkilled but got back in time. If I was to guess it seems that BB has become too busy to play, the mafia could have decided that since he looks like he is going to be lynched, and would possibly be modkilled use him draw out any blues possible. So as was said a little above, what ever you do DON'T ROLECLAIM EVEN IF YOU ARE A VET.

If you look at the posting records, BB had a lot of people already thinking about lynching him for the inactivity and bad play day 1, after this he starts demanding roleclaims for vets, it just seems desperate.



If it is due to the lack of hash marks the OP makes no mention of it and basically says any format is valid:


2. You must clearly declare your vote ie: 'I vote for X'. "vote: name" whatever. bold it.


I don't think we should go for a double vote yet, it will work best for us if we save it until later in the game when needed or at least until we have DT's confirming roles.

As for my vote, I still like BB for this one though Darth is action's are starting make me wonder. For the time being I will keep my vote here and my eyes on Darth.

P.S. Grats Qatol, now tell me how I am suppose to pronounce that name
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
July 21 2010 14:34 GMT
#850
Would incriminating yourself be FoS?
Together but separate, like oatmeal
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 21 2010 14:38 GMT
#851
On July 21 2010 20:33 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2010 23:58 zeks wrote:
i'm more inclined to believe d3 is town from a medic claim than a vet claim

if he false claims medic protection, medics would know whats up immediately.

if he claims vet there could be the slight possibility of:

mafia sends in 1 hit, d3 claims vet tricks us all into thinking he got hit and infiltrates town circles.

regardless i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that mafia didn't pull off what i said above.

##Vote DarthThienAn

You're playing way out of your normal character, and you're no Bill Murray.

Either you're scum or trying too hard to not get hit by being abnoxious.



Since I didn't bold and my vote didn't count:

##Vote DarthThienAn

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me a bout that post.

## vote zeks
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 21 2010 14:48 GMT
#852
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 21 2010 15:12 GMT
#853
On July 21 2010 12:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
#vote for double lynch

i'm not convinced about any of the lynch candidates so far, so i'll wait on that.


Just wanted to clarify why we should NOT double lynch. Right now we still are not so sure on our leads, we want to have more evidence before pulling out the big guns like this. If both were townies we could really end up shooting ourselves in the foot.,

It is far more effective once we have some knowledge from the DTs, so if they have some lists when revealed we can target groups of them if needed. Lets wait for some more DT checks before we consider using this, so far we have only had 1 night of checks. We have only had 2 deaths total so we are in a good position and should avoid hasty maneuvers like this.



Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 21 2010 15:39 GMT
#854
Rastaban (and others), to clarify my double lynch vote: it's a bet that after tonights actions we will have more than 1 target on the next day. In my experience Days 3 or 4 are the best time to start the double lynch (which means for Day 3 we vote for double lynch on Day 2, etc). I don't like waiting until Day 5 for double lynch because too many townies can die by that time and it makes it harder to use one of our most dangerous weapons against the mafia. If you guys aren't voting for it today, you should strongly consider voting for it tomorrow.

Re: DTA -

I should thank pyrr for doing a really thorough analysis here. I do think it's possible the mafia took that gambit of not killing DTA to make him appear more red (see Foolish's quote... "if the mafia don't kill you tonight you're red" [that was paraphrased]). So, I want to see how he responds to Pyrr's accusation before I decide if I want to vote for him. The pressures pretty strong already. ANd i gotta say i'm all but convinced on this one.

On July 21 2010 14:27 youngminii wrote:
My suspicion on infindouwioej4l5k23wtgjfxvpcohinkium is still here, it's just a lot smaller than everything else going on right now.


It's "Infundibulum."
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 21 2010 15:43 GMT
#855
On July 21 2010 23:19 Roffles wrote:
Yawn, just gonna pitch in my two liner here and say that Subversion's slip up doesn't really strike me as a real mafia slip up, just a minor error by a newbie.

As for BrownBear, I dunno really. His defense arguments seem townie enough, but I'm still wary of his vote, read, then no change on the vote tactic from Day 1.

Aside from DTA's antics, I think we're on the wrong path here, but that's just a hunch.


You know i agree with this, but people have been saying these exact same things for several pages now...
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-21 16:33:01
July 21 2010 16:32 GMT
#856
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2010 13:01 chaoser wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:49 chaoser wrote:
Does anyone know when day is ending? Tomorrow at 12?

So far the votes have been

Divinek votes for BrownBear at 13:59
DarthThienAn votes Divinek at 13.59
tree.hugger votes Subversion at 14:03
DarthThienAn unvotes Divinek, votes BrownBear at 14:34
d3_crescentia votes DarthThienAn at 14:50
Amber[LighT] votes BrownBear at 22:15
bumatlarge votes DarthThienAn at 22:59
~OpZ~ votes BrownBear at 1:01
rastaban votes BrownBear at 1:59
Misder votes DarthThienAn at 3:18
Tricode votes BrownBear at 4:02
Pyrrhuloxia votes DarthThienAn at 4:57
bumatlarge unvotes DarthThienAn, votes Subversion at 5:25
DarthThienAn unvotes BrownBear, votes Subversion at 5:30

NEW VOTES:

chaoser votes Subversion at 6:02
BrownBear abstains at 6:52
Pandain votes chaoser at 6:53
Jayme votes Subversion at 8:20
youngminii votes chaoser at 8:32
chaoser unvotes, abstains at 9:25
LaXerCannon abstains at 9:27
SouthRawrea votes for chaoser at 11:19
chaoser votes for Subversion at 12:34

hmm, let's test something. this is either going to bite me in the ass or go very well for me

##vote Subversion

End result:
BrownBear - 5 (Divinek, Amber[LighT], ~OpZ~, rastaban, Tricode)
Subversion - 5 (tree.hugger, DarthThienAn, bumatlarge, Jayme, chaoser)
DarthThienAn - 3 (d3_crescentia, Misder, Pyrrhuloxia)
chaoser - 3 (Pandain, youngminii, SouthRawrea)
abstain - 2 (BrownBear, LaXerCannon)

People yet to vote:
xelin, SiNiquity, lakrismamma, Infundibulum, Subversion, BloodyC0bbler, Citi.zen, zeks, protactinium, roffles


Chaoser won't tell us what he is experimenting. Here's what I think he is doing. Remember subversion's post?
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2010 09:09 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2010 06:09 citi.zen wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:56 DarthThienAn wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:51 Pandain wrote:
On July 21 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote:

Actually, the mafia made a huge mistake - one of their hits failed, or they stacked their hits on Foolishness, a townie. A smart/good player, but only 1 townie nonetheless. The less people there are, the greater their voting power, it's stupid to stack on night 1. So to me, the statement IS false, but the reason why it's suspicious is that no one would ever genuinely say that -> mafia.



Haha, you're right about that mistake. However, I thought it had been determined that D3 was also hit but protected by a medic. So they didn't stack their hits, one of their hits simply failed. And the more important thing is why would no one say that? Heck, I might say that. "Hey the mafia are doing pretty good." Just to be sure when I'm voting, please explain more.

+ Show Spoiler +
If Subversion IS mafia, i'm so going to kill myself.


There's the possibility that d3 is a mafia faking taking a hit. It's low chance, but not 0% so I didn't leave it out.

Other than that, he's either a veteran and/or got medic protection.

What do you mean? My thoughts: Mafia FAILED last night strategically. Subversion was NOT being sarcastic/joking (look at his post). So why would he say that? Furthermore, even if the mafia HAD failed, saying that "mafia aren't making too many mistakes" is an extremely odd statement to make. Sure, it's not the best lead, but it's better than me, and I'm willing to let BB redeem himself if he happens to be a terrible townie. Subversion, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be on the path to correction at all.

I don't know... I am leaning with Pandain here. Subversion is a brand new player who does not know what to expect in these games. I can see him think... "How do you catch mafia? You watch for mistakes! Have we caught any? Nope. Ah - so thus far they aren't making too many mistakes."

I see no huge red flag. That said, he does not strike me as someone useful for the town so I am OK losing him if there are no better candidates.


THANK YOU fucking hell. I played in ONE NIGHT of harry potter mafia, I got temp banned for some stupid joke and got replaced

This is my first game ffs, I didn't realise what I said would make it "oh gg, he's mafia lol, what a fkn moron". I was trying to be useful

Seems like everyone is jumping on my voting bandwagon, I get what I said was stupid now, although I still don't really understand why its a fucknormous mistake. I was simply stating what to me, was a fairly obvious fact. It was kind of a justification for my vote to be honest. I didn't see any major mistakes, I didn't have anyone I felt REALLY deserved a vote, but I didn't wanna abstain and I thought Hyperbola was fucked anyway. So I read what he said and what others said, there didn't really seem like any better choice, so I just voted for him. Like I said, I didn't really think my vote mattered much anyway. I also had Bill up my ass saying I was gonna be modkilled if I didn't vote!

I really don't want to be voted out here, I don't want to roleclaim either, but I can if necessary??


I think that chaoser is trying to get subversion to roleclaim. He voted for subversion to pressure subversion to roleclaim to defend himself. Do not roleclaim yet. This makes me very very suspicious of chaoser. I may be completely paranoid, but its scummy to me.
##Unvote DarthThienAn
Vote chaoser
Whaaaa?
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 16:34 GMT
#857
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
July 21 2010 16:35 GMT
#858
*we can get more info if we lynch

hungover fml -_-
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
July 21 2010 16:43 GMT
#859
On July 21 2010 23:48 citi.zen wrote:
Oh, I could also be persuaded to vote for misder if you guys like him more than zeks.


Uh... Is there a reason why I'm under suspicion? If there is, what is it?
Whaaaa?
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 21 2010 17:01 GMT
#860
On July 22 2010 01:34 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Unvote BrownBear
##Vote: Subversion


Though I think BrownBear's analysis and plan is crappy, we can get more info is we lynch Subversion. Lynching BB just proves that we, as a town, aren't as organized as we would like to be. The Subversion discussion caught a lot of players, many more than the BB discussion. By determining Subversion's role we can pinpoint other key players who were pushing for and against the Subversion lynch. I'm willing to risk putting my name into the hat to get the town on a better path to victory. Depending on the flip, the DT's should try and look at key players involved in the Subversion dispute.

Nah, I legitimately think Subversion is just a newbie who made a dumb mistake. He made a stupid blunder the last game he played, and ended up getting modkilled. However, him pulling out the newbie card himself is an alarming point to possibly take suspicion off him.

Once again, I think we're going in the wrong direction.
God Bless
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 193 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#86 (PTR Edition)
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft89
RuFF_SC2 43
Nina 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3235
GuemChi 2880
Sea 2214
Artosis 549
Mind 123
Bale 15
Terrorterran 11
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1329
AZ_Axe225
Other Games
summit1g7765
Day[9].tv1999
C9.Mang0524
WinterStarcraft322
ViBE166
Maynarde87
Trikslyr66
CosmosSc2 16
PiLiPiLi6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1248
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH243
• Hupsaiya 91
• davetesta16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush429
• Lourlo193
Other Games
• Day9tv1999
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h
The PondCast
1d 7h
OSC
1d 21h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
3 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-16
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.