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Misder
United States1557 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On June 07 2010 11:27 pyr0ma5ta wrote: 1) Read 2) Interpret 3) Post I'm not whining. Re-read my posts. Use math. When 17 people vote for Darth, what's the probability that a couple of them will also vote for the same person the next round when there are only 2 poeple being voted for? mmmkthx. I feel like a bloody broken record. I'm not trying to change his mind, as I've conceded he's allowed to vote as he chooses. I'm pointing out a particularly horrible line of logic that is likely to point 3 future lynches at, well, people who happen to have similar sleep schedules. Don't worry about it, you can't please everyone. Some people will just pretend to read your posts or purposely misinterpret what you say (I'm looking at you littlechava) It is interesting to not that this "large group of people" who voted together did not vote for the same person for mayor. Granted by the time CompX voted for YI the vote was already decided... I hope more people follow crate's example and post about other players posting habits and decisions. I am working a little less this week so I should be able to contribute too. I still find the clues to be pretty useless right now, but the people who think that the clues have some bearing can come up with a list of clues that can be checked by our DTs. That would be about the only useful thing that people who are thinking so clue centered can do. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
The reason I am voting for Deuce is not because I specifically want him dead. As crate so succinctly put it, the way he is playing is a way that is only beneficial if he is mafia. The vote is to put heat on him so that if he is town, he will turn from his mafia-like ways and play like a townie should. Furthermore, if he is a good mafia, he will post just to stay alive to get the bandwagon off of him - but I expect some seriously good content out of him to shift once the weight is on him. His teammates may have to help him out with that. If he chooses to continue without posting, he will hang, since this strategy is only effective if you are mafia. If he posts substance, we can shift the wagon to another inactive - we seem to have plenty. And as a warning to the other inactives (especially those I've already listed), if you don't want it shifting to you after Deuce posts, you better post now, because there probably won't be time to shift it to a third target. So to all the townsfolk, go ahead and vote. You can always shift it later. This will help hammer the point home that you will not tolerate people playing with Deuce's current style - hopefully (though this is very optimistic) without spilling any more innocent blood. | ||
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littlechava
United States7216 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. MTF wrote: It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. So... MTF states this scenario as a possibility, then claims to be hit the next night. sputnik comes up with a very interesting and plausible scenario, then MTF states that it's a "ridiculously convoluted scheme" even though he mentioned it as a possibility earlier. I would hardly call that a "ridiculously convoluted" scheme, since all that happened is he hinted at the possibility of such a scheme existing and then may have gone through with it (it's actually a smart scheme). I find sputnik's theory very interesting, as it matches perfectly with clues in a subtle way and explains a very improbable occurrence (successful medic protect on first night). Note that MTF has not claimed to have been contacted by a medic but did say that it was a medic who saved him. The best thing MTF could have done is keep his mouth shut about whether a medic was protecting him or not. Then, the mafia would not know whether their hit was blocked because he is a veteran or medic protected. MTF should know this as a seasoned mafia player. Does this seem strange to anyone else? | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On June 07 2010 12:35 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Does anyone else find this exchange very strange? So... MTF states this scenario as a possibility, then claims to be hit the next night. sputnik comes up with a very interesting and plausible scenario, then MTF states that it's a "ridiculously convoluted scheme" even though he mentioned it as a possibility earlier. I would hardly call that a "ridiculously convoluted" scheme, since all that happened is he hinted at the possibility of such a scheme existing and then may have gone through with it (it's actually a smart scheme). I find sputnik's theory very interesting, as it matches perfectly with clues in a subtle way and explains a very improbable occurrence (successful medic protect on first night). Note that MTF has not claimed to have been contacted by a medic but did say that it was a medic who saved him. The best thing MTF could have done is keep his mouth shut about whether a medic was protecting him or not. Then, the mafia would not know whether their hit was blocked because he is a veteran or medic protected. MTF should know this as a seasoned mafia player. Does this seem strange to anyone else? The problem with this is the risk vs reward. Suppose a DT checks out MTF and finds him to be mafia. If that is an accurate connection, it could be a very swift triple lynching. All of this at risk just to get MTF some evidence of looking like town. Of course keep the idea in mind for later in the game when we find out such things, but I'm inclined to believe MTF. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On June 07 2010 12:53 YellowInk wrote: The problem with this is the risk vs reward. Suppose a DT checks out MTF and finds him to be mafia. If that is an accurate connection, it could be a very swift triple lynching. All of this at risk just to get MTF some evidence of looking like town. Of course keep the idea in mind for later in the game when we find out such things, but I'm inclined to believe MTF. Well, MTF could be the godfather, which would help his story fit even better under a rolecheck. We really need to hear from the medic that saved him. I think a somewhat risky but very rewarding strategy may be to vote lynch MTF until the medic role claimed to you and DTA. Even if one of you two are mafia, the other would report no pm from medics. Also, if the medic was then hit we know that it is extremely likely that one of you two is scum. possible risks that I see: the medic doesn't roleclaim for some reason, and we lose a valuable poster YI pardons him and gives some bs excuse... still good for town I think a mafia fake roleclaims (maybe even the godfather with dt as his fake role). Then MTF would gain false townie credit. Still, we have to assume that it is likely that only the GF would try a risky strategy like this. The roleclaiming mafia could then be rolechecked. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 07 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: Well, MTF could be the godfather, which would help his story fit even better under a rolecheck. We really need to hear from the medic that saved him. I think a somewhat risky but very rewarding strategy may be to vote lynch MTF until the medic role claimed to you and DTA. Even if one of you two are mafia, the other would report no pm from medics. Also, if the medic was then hit we know that it is extremely likely that one of you two is scum. possible risks that I see: the medic doesn't roleclaim for some reason, and we lose a valuable poster YI pardons him and gives some bs excuse... still good for town I think a mafia fake roleclaims (maybe even the godfather with dt as his fake role). Then MTF would gain false townie credit. Still, we have to assume that it is likely that only the GF would try a risky strategy like this. The roleclaiming mafia could then be rolechecked. I like your thinking, but there's a glaring problem: it's possible that a mafia could pretend to be the "medic who saved MTF". Since that medic would only be PMing darth/YI, there would be no way a detective could role check him unless darth/YI are detectives or are in private contact with a detective. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 07 2010 08:45 crate wrote: I just found it odd that you'd specifically tell him to look for clues that pointed at you rather than someone else. Like I said, I don't know if this means anything. Might as well wrap up the discussion on this point, since I still have no idea what you're talking about. Here's my post you referenced (657) AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Whoa whoa overreacting a little bit aren't you? Day has just begun and no one has voted for you. Trying to find very vague pointers to other people (me for example) to divert attention away from yourself also immediately after the clue was posted is highly suspect. Perhaps you misunderstood the 2nd line? I'm just saying that he (gilga) defended himself by saying the clues could have pointed at other people including me, which is rather suspicious. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On June 07 2010 12:35 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Does anyone else find this exchange very strange? On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. MTF wrote: It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. So... MTF states this scenario as a possibility, then claims to be hit the next night. sputnik comes up with a very interesting and plausible scenario, then MTF states that it's a "ridiculously convoluted scheme" even though he mentioned it as a possibility earlier. I would hardly call that a "ridiculously convoluted" scheme, since all that happened is he hinted at the possibility of such a scheme existing and then may have gone through with it (it's actually a smart scheme). I find sputnik's theory very interesting, as it matches perfectly with clues in a subtle way and explains a very improbable occurrence (successful medic protect on first night). Note that MTF has not claimed to have been contacted by a medic but did say that it was a medic who saved him. The best thing MTF could have done is keep his mouth shut about whether a medic was protecting him or not. Then, the mafia would not know whether their hit was blocked because he is a veteran or medic protected. MTF should know this as a seasoned mafia player. Does this seem strange to anyone else? There are several things wrong with this argument: 1. I never stated anywhere (and nor am I stating now) whether I was protected by a medic or not. Simply that I took a hit. Your mistake, intentional or not. 2. The reason I mentioned it being ridiculously convoluted is because of the fact that I'd have to have been purposefully drawing attention to myself with said exchange. "Hey, guys, don't trust someone automatically just because he says he got hit. *Time passes* O, hey guys, I got hit!" 3. I have not asked anybody to trust me and have not been trying to infiltrate any possible "town-circles". I have not initiated conversation with YellowInk or Darth. So, here is the scenario thus far, assuming that I were to be Mafia. 1. I warn everyone about a plan I'm about to enact. 2. I follow through with that plan. 3. I stay completely passive and just hope that I get pulled into a town-circle, while exposing myself to scrutiny from anybody following the thread at all. 4. To top it all off, I mention that MooCow and Tyranos would both have to be Mafia for the information to be pulled from the same source, just to lend preemptive support (and possibly even the idea) to Sputnik. No, that is not a smart idea. Not at all. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 06 2010 13:05 MTF wrote: Nice try, Mafia! I'm the one who survived the hit last night, though considering the other two people Mafia targeted, I confess to being a little confused. Perhaps they figured they should target one obvious/two unobvious to strengthen their chances of not encountering a medic. Guess it kind of worked...? :p I'll be checking through clues now. It sounds to me that you are implying a medic protected you. Care to clarify? I'm disturbed (as are others, it seems) that you refuse to say whether a medic protected you, and whether a medic contacted you. Could you please provide reasons for this? I can think of some but I want to hear it from you. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On June 07 2010 14:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: [/spoiler][/spoiler]Ok MTF, I interpreted this post as saying you got protected by a medic: It sounds to me that you are implying a medic protected you. Care to clarify? I'm disturbed (as are others, it seems) that you refuse to say whether a medic protected you, and whether a medic contacted you. Could you please provide reasons for this? I can think of some but I want to hear it from you. I was only trying to figure out Mafia's thought processes. I'm guessing that the "Guess it kind of worked...?" portion is what confused you. I was not implying that I survived a hit via medic, rather that their strategy did not entirely pan out, regardless of the circumstances. The reason for the bottom portion was laid out in your first post. I'm not telling the Mafia why their hit failed. It confuses me as to why you suddenly want me to announce whether I've been in contact with a medic when part of your argument from before was to state that I should have known better. | ||
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MTF
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On June 07 2010 14:31 MTF wrote: I was only trying to figure out Mafia's thought processes. I'm guessing that the "Guess it kind of worked...?" portion is what confused you. I was not implying that I survived a hit via medic, rather that their strategy did not entirely pan out, regardless of the circumstances. What was it that kind of worked? Our medic protection scheme or the mafia's target selection scheme? The reason for the bottom portion was laid out in your first post. I'm not telling the Mafia why their hit failed. It confuses me as to why you suddenly want me to announce whether I've been in contact with a medic when part of your argument from before was to state that I should have known better. I'm not asking you to announce it, but rather your reasons for not announcing. If it's just the reason that I posted earlier, then fine. I was very suspicious of you before when it seemed you had admitted a medic protected you but didn't say whether he PMd you afterwards, but it seems you never meant to admit that a medic saved you in the first place. | ||
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On June 07 2010 14:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: + Show Spoiler + What was it that kind of worked? Our medic protection scheme or the mafia's target selection scheme? Mafia's target selection scheme. On June 07 2010 14:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I'm not asking you to announce it, but rather your reasons for not announcing. If it's just the reason that I posted earlier, then fine. I was very suspicious of you before when it seemed you had admitted a medic protected you but didn't say whether he PMd you afterwards, but it seems you never meant to admit that a medic saved you in the first place. My reasoning is simply that giving Mafia as little information to work with on why something did not go as planned is a good thing. Which I would extrapolate as being your own reason which you posted earlier. In any case, I apologize for the poorly written post. It was more or less just a "haha, try to do better next time" aimed at Mafia in a ballpark attempt to arouse a response. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Lying about the medic protection is very dumb if he is the mafia because role check would expose him. There is the possibility that he is the Godfather who is somewhat immune to the rolecheck but I don't think Godfather would want to take that risk especially so early in the game. If he is Godfather, I will give him the "balls of steel" award. | ||
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