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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 05 2010 21:10 GMT
#101
How would Ace know that he was protected if neither he nor judge get a PM telling them that the hit was blocked. The very claim would prove he's a vet or a liar.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
January 05 2010 21:12 GMT
#102
Yeeh. Vet or liar. the point was i didn't see how mafia could really "fake" a confirmation without running risks of being caught. particularly high ones
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 05 2010 21:14 GMT
#103
But that's the thing, no one can ever be confirmed BY judge without judge messaging them that they were protected last night and even then that doesn't tell them anything because the vet could have been hit or the hit could have been held.

Is this starting to make more sense?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
January 05 2010 21:18 GMT
#104
On January 06 2010 06:14 L wrote:
But that's the thing, no one can ever be confirmed BY judge without judge messaging them that they were protected last night and even then that doesn't tell them anything because the vet could have been hit or the hit could have been held.

Is this starting to make more sense?


So... what you are saying is that there is no real way to confirm that judge is a medic?
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
January 05 2010 21:21 GMT
#105
Yeah, but is the costs of holding a hit really worth it ? Considering its a smallish 11-12 player game, wouldn't the mafia be better off killing someone ASAP ?
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
January 05 2010 21:24 GMT
#106
The way i see it is, either
a) you get someone killed now, hopefully a blue, or a good townie,
- destroys their possible blue abilities
- limits town leadership

OR

b) you play it smooth and try to get that extra kill anyways, AND make town waste a lynch
but also it could backfire and you get nothing.

choice A looks a lot better to me if i was mafia
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
January 05 2010 21:40 GMT
#107
Judge is probably vet or gf. Either way, using a rolecheck on him is a waste because it tells us nothing. Ace and L shouldn't be checked either because unless they're both mafia, they'll turn up town aligned.

Malongo and chezinu are the only people who haven't posted yet.


To anyone suggesting that judge is gf and the mafia doesn't hit anyone for a night so he can make some claim to saving someone, you're wrong. There's no way the mafia would take such a huge risk for such a small potential return.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 05 2010 23:21 GMT
#108
I just came home. Im never inactive, most of players know that. Reading the thread but initially id like to pick RoL as a first lynch based on his posting.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
January 05 2010 23:28 GMT
#109
On January 06 2010 06:40 Vivi57 wrote:
Judge is probably vet or gf. Either way, using a rolecheck on him is a waste because it tells us nothing.


Or I'm a medic.

And because everyone wants to know:

Yes, the plan does involve a DT R/C on me.

Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic.

On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect.
See, I believe you're rather correct when you say there's a guessing game going on, but I don't know why you'd do it in person, rather than through a mouth. Additionally, I don't see why pretending to be a mouth and posting late in the day rather than early would have harmed you or your goals here. So what mindgames are here that weren't here previously? The only real difference in the 'try to dodge the medic list member' roulette is the fact that you've painted a sign on your forehead. While you may have seen this used in the past, the 9 man format doesn't have a godfather, and doesn't have the possibility of multiple medics; the bluff is far simpler to make here, whereas its a massively ballsy move in a game of 9 man to claim doc as mafia; that's why its so powerful there.


Actually, I read it first used in a 12 man closed setup. No clue as to whether a GF was there or not. Could have been two medics, could have been 5. Nothing was known. This is semi-open which makes it just as effective.

Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia and my mouth could be mafia providing a plethora of problems. If I pretended to be a mouth, there could be the problem of "He might be mafia." and then I would be outed as medic sooner or later, leading to questions why I chose to fake using a mouth.

On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote:
Additionally, I have further issues; As you note, the timing of this is odd; you can't reveal a bunch of your 'plan' because a bunch of night roles simply aren't able to act yet. I can somewhat waive this on my own because I typically play in the same manner.


Actually, it isn't because night roles can't act yet, it's because I'm keeping mafia on their toes.

On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote:
What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night.

How exactly are you going to confirm anyone?

The objective elements of your claim are an increase in attention on you, which speaks to a godfather, vet, vig or green role. You most certainly aren't the DT, or a normal mafia member.


I wasn't going to claim any confirmation through a protection. I was going to wait until just before day ended and bark some orders, matter of fact.

Also, in a setup like this, as a scum-gambit to false claim doc and fake confirmation there is no major gain.

BTW, you're catching on with the last part - none of my actions fit the profile of a medic, which can cause people to question the veracity. I am the medic, but how much are the mafia going to believe that?

The plan works in a few parts. The first part is the claim. The second part is making it through the day and establishing a plan for the night in terms of protections. Third part involves a DT rolechecking me.

Day 2 I will explain at the beginning of Day 2. If I lay out the entire plan right now, the plan is lost.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
January 05 2010 23:46 GMT
#110
Actually, I kind of disagree with many regarding Judge's claim. One of the mafia's most powerful weapons is deception; if they can pass the ball along to one another in order to point the finger at townies as mafia suspects and then shrug responsibility off somehow, the flow of the game is favorable to them. If the Town members assume strong leading roles and set the pace of the game, it's advantageous to us. Overall, I agree with Judge's move. I find it likely that he's not, in fact, mafia.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
January 05 2010 23:54 GMT
#111
On January 06 2010 05:57 L wrote:
Its entirely possible there are 2 [medics] granted that they may have stacked the mafia team with very good players and used an extra medic as compensation.

This seems unlikely. If mafia have special roles or something I suppose this could be true, but in the spirit of a small game I can't see that being a likely case either.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 06 2010 00:00 GMT
#112
Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic.
Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification.

Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia
AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW?

HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
January 06 2010 00:16 GMT
#113
On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic.
Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification.


Touche.


Show nested quote +
Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia
AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW?

HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo


Clarification: I could easily pick a mafioso as my mouth, and all information would flow through him, and thus to others. Generally, a mouth this early on is stupid. Is it the greatest position to leave me out in the open today? No. But I don't have to worry about going to a potential mouth, PMing him and having him not come forward with the information.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 06 2010 00:18 GMT
#114
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 05 2010 19:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Okay well I am too lazy to read tonight too much.

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote:
I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity.


Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity?


On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity?


Word. I actually plan to play this game through.

I'm really surprised it was Vivi who first said to kill me and not L, considering how often I seem to get L killed.


Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late.

Oh wait he claimed detective. Maybe this will turn out better.

I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi.


-I really dont see the point in RoLs post and i dont like the fact that scamp came up just 10 minutes later to support his own defence. How did RoL knew scamp wasnt inactive? Why is RoL too lazy to read tonight but has his time to half defend scamp? Maybe this is just a coincidence but since we are lynching almost on blind i like RoL. At least we can autofire at scamp if RoL flips red.

-For Judges claim its really not that important its not like he was a primary target for the town to lynch and if he is town alligned he can keep mafia guessing. Its something like claiming Im a cat.

- Ls posting seem almost smart so im inclined to tell judge and L are town/side.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
January 06 2010 00:39 GMT
#115
Ok, I will not use my usual tactics this game L. I was thinking about changing it up even before I read your post. I just ask of you if you can tone down your language?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 06 2010 00:56 GMT
#116
On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote:

On a final note:
Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11.

Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on?


Fixed. There are 12 people in the game, 9 townies 3 mafia. There is a full role reveal after death.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 06 2010 01:04 GMT
#117
On January 06 2010 09:39 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, I will not use my usual tactics this game L. I was thinking about changing it up even before I read your post. I just ask of you if you can tone down your language?

What language? I'm positively cordial this game, my good sir.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 06 2010 01:11 GMT
#118
On January 06 2010 10:04 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 09:39 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, I will not use my usual tactics this game L. I was thinking about changing it up even before I read your post. I just ask of you if you can tone down your language?

What language? I'm positively cordial this game, my good sir.

Shhhh chezinu dont unleash daa beast.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
January 06 2010 01:13 GMT
#119
On January 06 2010 05:38 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:@Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you.


That's fine for now. I'll see if you missed anything when I'm not just on a short break.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote:
What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night.


Is the mafia allowed to not hit anyone during the night?


Yes, the mafia is allowed to no-kill if they wish.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 06 2010 01:16 GMT
#120
On January 06 2010 10:13 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 05:38 Scamp wrote:
On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:@Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you.


That's fine for now. I'll see if you missed anything when I'm not just on a short break.

On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote:
What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night.


Is the mafia allowed to not hit anyone during the night?


Yes, the mafia is allowed to no-kill if they wish.

How much time do we have to vote? im going to sleep soon.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
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