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L
Canada4732 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Is this starting to make more sense? | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 06 2010 06:14 L wrote: But that's the thing, no one can ever be confirmed BY judge without judge messaging them that they were protected last night and even then that doesn't tell them anything because the vet could have been hit or the hit could have been held. Is this starting to make more sense? So... what you are saying is that there is no real way to confirm that judge is a medic? | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
a) you get someone killed now, hopefully a blue, or a good townie, - destroys their possible blue abilities - limits town leadership OR b) you play it smooth and try to get that extra kill anyways, AND make town waste a lynch but also it could backfire and you get nothing. choice A looks a lot better to me if i was mafia | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
Malongo and chezinu are the only people who haven't posted yet. To anyone suggesting that judge is gf and the mafia doesn't hit anyone for a night so he can make some claim to saving someone, you're wrong. There's no way the mafia would take such a huge risk for such a small potential return. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 06 2010 06:40 Vivi57 wrote: Judge is probably vet or gf. Either way, using a rolecheck on him is a waste because it tells us nothing. Or I'm a medic. And because everyone wants to know: Yes, the plan does involve a DT R/C on me. Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: See, I believe you're rather correct when you say there's a guessing game going on, but I don't know why you'd do it in person, rather than through a mouth. Additionally, I don't see why pretending to be a mouth and posting late in the day rather than early would have harmed you or your goals here. So what mindgames are here that weren't here previously? The only real difference in the 'try to dodge the medic list member' roulette is the fact that you've painted a sign on your forehead. While you may have seen this used in the past, the 9 man format doesn't have a godfather, and doesn't have the possibility of multiple medics; the bluff is far simpler to make here, whereas its a massively ballsy move in a game of 9 man to claim doc as mafia; that's why its so powerful there. Actually, I read it first used in a 12 man closed setup. No clue as to whether a GF was there or not. Could have been two medics, could have been 5. Nothing was known. This is semi-open which makes it just as effective. Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia and my mouth could be mafia providing a plethora of problems. If I pretended to be a mouth, there could be the problem of "He might be mafia." and then I would be outed as medic sooner or later, leading to questions why I chose to fake using a mouth. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: Additionally, I have further issues; As you note, the timing of this is odd; you can't reveal a bunch of your 'plan' because a bunch of night roles simply aren't able to act yet. I can somewhat waive this on my own because I typically play in the same manner. Actually, it isn't because night roles can't act yet, it's because I'm keeping mafia on their toes. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night. How exactly are you going to confirm anyone? The objective elements of your claim are an increase in attention on you, which speaks to a godfather, vet, vig or green role. You most certainly aren't the DT, or a normal mafia member. I wasn't going to claim any confirmation through a protection. I was going to wait until just before day ended and bark some orders, matter of fact. Also, in a setup like this, as a scum-gambit to false claim doc and fake confirmation there is no major gain. BTW, you're catching on with the last part - none of my actions fit the profile of a medic, which can cause people to question the veracity. I am the medic, but how much are the mafia going to believe that? The plan works in a few parts. The first part is the claim. The second part is making it through the day and establishing a plan for the night in terms of protections. Third part involves a DT rolechecking me. Day 2 I will explain at the beginning of Day 2. If I lay out the entire plan right now, the plan is lost. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On January 06 2010 05:57 L wrote: Its entirely possible there are 2 [medics] granted that they may have stacked the mafia team with very good players and used an extra medic as compensation. This seems unlikely. If mafia have special roles or something I suppose this could be true, but in the spirit of a small game I can't see that being a likely case either. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Look. This play out-and-out doesn't make sense for mafia to do, even as GF, because of the doubt you all have. I'm pretty much painting a big target on myself here. If I'm the GF, or even just lowly mafia, I am one of 3 members and I would be putting a third of the team on the line for what mafia would gain very little from. If I'm GF, I'm putting myself more on the line, but I'm neither. I'm a medic. Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification. Why didn't I use a mouth or pretend to be a mouth? If I used a mouth, I could easily out myself to mafia AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW?HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS. Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote: Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification. Touche. AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW? HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS. Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo Clarification: I could easily pick a mafioso as my mouth, and all information would flow through him, and thus to others. Generally, a mouth this early on is stupid. Is it the greatest position to leave me out in the open today? No. But I don't have to worry about going to a potential mouth, PMing him and having him not come forward with the information. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On January 05 2010 19:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Okay well I am too lazy to read tonight too much. Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity? On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: Word. I actually plan to play this game through. I'm really surprised it was Vivi who first said to kill me and not L, considering how often I seem to get L killed. Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Oh wait he claimed detective. Maybe this will turn out better. I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi. -I really dont see the point in RoLs post and i dont like the fact that scamp came up just 10 minutes later to support his own defence. How did RoL knew scamp wasnt inactive? Why is RoL too lazy to read tonight but has his time to half defend scamp? Maybe this is just a coincidence but since we are lynching almost on blind i like RoL. At least we can autofire at scamp if RoL flips red. -For Judges claim its really not that important its not like he was a primary target for the town to lynch and if he is town alligned he can keep mafia guessing. Its something like claiming Im a cat. - Ls posting seem almost smart so im inclined to tell judge and L are town/side. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: On a final note: Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11. Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on? Fixed. There are 12 people in the game, 9 townies 3 mafia. There is a full role reveal after death. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 06 2010 09:39 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I will not use my usual tactics this game L. I was thinking about changing it up even before I read your post. I just ask of you if you can tone down your language? What language? I'm positively cordial this game, my good sir. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:04 L wrote: What language? I'm positively cordial this game, my good sir. Shhhh chezinu dont unleash daa beast. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 06 2010 05:38 Scamp wrote: That's fine for now. I'll see if you missed anything when I'm not just on a short break. Is the mafia allowed to not hit anyone during the night? Yes, the mafia is allowed to no-kill if they wish. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:13 Incognito wrote: Yes, the mafia is allowed to no-kill if they wish. How much time do we have to vote? im going to sleep soon. | ||
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