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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote: Dear morans. There's nearly nothing to talk about on the first day if no one talks, and we have no mayoral business to vote for. Because of this, and because I like making people post stupid garbage, I propose we go round table and each say who we want to off day one. So far, I've done around 5 minutes of thinking and I'm going to sleep directly after I type this post, so this won't be pretty or eloquent, but here's what I'm thinking so far. 1. RebirthOfLeGend 2. Ace 3. L 4. vx70GTOJudgexv 5. Scamp 6. Zato-1 7. Chezinu 8. nemY 9. HeavOnEarth 10. Vivi57 11. ketomai 12. Mikeymoo 13. Malongo 2) I hate vivi. RoL's dumb. Chezinu is a gigantic waste of a player, regardless of which side he's on, and nemy hasn't played in a while, and played somewhat subpar last game we were in due to inactivity. Granted that these are all easy "dumb" targets, I'll be extra risk and not pick any of them to see how people react. %) Alternate plan is to kill people who we know are fucking useless and who won't 'fuck up' because they're so fucking inactive. If that's the case, i'd hit nemY first. Not that I hate the guy or anything, but there's some weird fucking 'stupid' sympathy which keeps vivi alive when I try to get him killed and I'm kinda hoping Chezinu doesn't do his standard stupid shit. If he does, I'm pretty sure we're going to have to start killing him day 1-2 in every game he joins until he stops being a moron. I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
 blue yet again! | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A MEDIC. Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him. You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it. So we have 2 topics of interest now: 1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
1) The mafia have to play a guessing game anyway, it's just that now they know who they're guessing against. I suppose now they KNOW they're playing this game rather than knowing whether or not the game exists at all, but I don't see how that helps the town. I agree with Ace that it is extremely unlikely that there would be more than one medic in this game. If there were the mafia would have to get some powers to make up for it, and we know that's not the case. I also noticed that the medic can protect himself. That is an exceptionally powerful weapon in my opinion, and another reason why there's unlikely to be two medics in the game. As mafia, Judge could be banking on the idea that there aren't any medics in the game and using this play to waste town resources. I am interested in this list he'd put out, especially for day 1. It kind of sounds like a hit list though. "HEY MAFIA! KILL THESE! I DARE YOU!!!" 2) I really don't see how this is different with or without a list. There are always good and bad candidates for night-killing and those factors are always influenced by the power roles. A list kind of gives the mafia a guide, in your opinion anyway, as to who is the most trusted in the town. I'm really not seeing this major wrench. 3) They might do that. That'd be pretty ballsy considering that's exactly what you just said they'd do, like it's their only choice. Or this could be your way of defense through day 1, casting suspicion on anyone who even remotely calls you out. So yeah, I don't see the point, and it is hard to take your claim seriously. Best I can figure you're trying to stir the pot early to make the game more interesting. Speaking of making the game more interesting, let's talk about who to kill day 1. Well it's kind of a crapshoot right now so I oddly agree with Vivi in that we should be lynching inactives. Moreso, we should be threatening to lynch anyone who doesn't post by the end of one full day, real time. And not just post, you need to offer an opinion too. Offering an opinion on something really shouldn't be hard right now. Basically I'm giving the same warning to everyone that L gave to me and HeavOn. Contribute or die, you don't get another warning. That warning is at the end of a lot of words, so I'll say it like this. CONTRIBUTE OR DIE. YOU DON'T GET ANOTHER WARNING. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Difference here is the fact that I know what I'm doing here. On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: [1]Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. On a final note: [2]Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11. Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on? [1] - We'll discuss protection options as the day draws near an end. I'm leaning towards L or Ace tonight, depending on how each plays. [2] - I think we're at 12 (9 & 3) and this should be full reveal, not limited flip. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. It does a number of things - it can provide a confirmed townie which is the worst possible thing for mafia to have to go up against, because it's someone that no matter what, they cannot push a lynch on, and worst of all - I'm not one of the top players in the game, so I'm not someone they want to waste a NK on either. Even if I'm barking up the completely wrong tree they have to try and kill me because they can't get me lynched once I'm confirmed. It forces mafia to play a guessing game. Sure, they had to play one before, but it was minimized. Now, they have to try and outguess the entire town. I can ask the town directly - who do we want to keep protected tonight and form a list. Mafia players will either have to sacrifice a potential target and put him up on the list or out themselves with a ridiculous choice and/or not post at all. Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect. Doctor can be a much more powerful role out in the open. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him. I wouldn't direct a vig to hit anyone and protect that, because our vigs are one-shot. There are later plans for any vigs. Regarding the DT, I have a plan for any potential DTs we have, but that steps in on D2. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. The ability to be a confirmed townie and force mafia to adapt uncomfortably. The ability to force mafia into a guessing game. The ability to bring the town together and become a town leader here. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it. So we have 2 topics of interest now: 1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill It does seem odd that no one is talking about it. On January 06 2010 02:25 Ace wrote: I actually think it was a rather bad move. It's an 11 player game with 3 Mafia that have a grand total of 1 KP: why in the world would there be 2 medics? This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. I can protect myself. That was the kicker. It might not make sense for there to be two medics, but there very well could be. We don't know, and I don't try and out-guess the mod, no matter what the most likely scenario of "who should be scum" or "Why would he do this". @Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you. Also, for a kill, I say if he doesn't really put effort into it, Chezinu should be the day 1 lynch. No matter what he flips, it's a win for town. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Malongo and nemY, you guys post too. | ||
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L
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Canada4732 Posts
Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect. See, I believe you're rather correct when you say there's a guessing game going on, but I don't know why you'd do it in person, rather than through a mouth. Additionally, I don't see why pretending to be a mouth and posting late in the day rather than early would have harmed you or your goals here. So what mindgames are here that weren't here previously? The only real difference in the 'try to dodge the medic list member' roulette is the fact that you've painted a sign on your forehead. While you may have seen this used in the past, the 9 man format doesn't have a godfather, and doesn't have the possibility of multiple medics; the bluff is far simpler to make here, whereas its a massively ballsy move in a game of 9 man to claim doc as mafia; that's why its so powerful there. Additionally, I have further issues; As you note, the timing of this is odd; you can't reveal a bunch of your 'plan' because a bunch of night roles simply aren't able to act yet. I can somewhat waive this on my own because I typically play in the same manner. What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night. How exactly are you going to confirm anyone? The objective elements of your claim are an increase in attention on you, which speaks to a godfather, vet, vig or green role. You most certainly aren't the DT, or a normal mafia member. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On January 06 2010 00:51 Qatol wrote: blue yet again!lolz | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
On January 06 2010 05:19 HeavOnEarth wrote: Hello. Reading posts Me too. I'm really not sure what to make of judge's claim for the moment, but I don't immediately see the point. I hope there is more to it than "trust me". Actually, I haven't even read the rules thoroughly yet. I'm going to go do that, and I will be back in a few hours (class). | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:@Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you. That's fine for now. I'll see if you missed anything when I'm not just on a short break. On January 06 2010 05:04 L wrote: What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night. Is the mafia allowed to not hit anyone during the night? | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. short of a DT role-check i don't see how you can be confirmed, and that could barely qualify as concrete evidence regardless , seeing how you openly claimed. so obviously im missing out on your plan , as the rest of the town. why would you keep this information/plan hidden ? also, this, Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. ? i suggest if there is another medic , they counterclaim. the odds of there being 2 medics in a ~11-12 player game is substantial. the fact that you posted this statement is rather godfatherly. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: Word. I actually plan to play this game through. I'm really surprised it was Vivi who first said to kill me and not L, considering how often I seem to get L killed. Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Oh wait he claimed detective. Maybe this will turn out better. I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi. For what it was worth I R/C'd DT to try and get myself in mayoral office, but yeah... so far every game I've seen somebody R/C as a blue, the results do not turn out well... If I were DT I would probably rolecheck someone random, because honestly if Ace and/or L are mafia, one of them almost assuredly has to be the GF. Really no point to role checking them yet then, is there? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On January 06 2010 05:38 Scamp wrote: That's fine for now. I'll see if you missed anything when I'm not just on a short break. Is the mafia allowed to not hit anyone during the night? Dunno, but its been an option in past games so I dont' see why it wouldn't be here. Even if they can't, a hit on a vet would be pretty much the equivalent, or a claim that a vet was hit would do the same thing. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 06 2010 05:46 HeavOnEarth wrote: so a medic claim short of a DT role-check i don't see how you can be confirmed, and that could barely qualify as concrete evidence regardless , seeing how you openly claimed. so obviously im missing out on your plan , as the rest of the town. why would you keep this information/plan hidden ? also, this, ? i suggest if there is another medic , they counterclaim. the odds of there being 2 medics in a ~11-12 player game is substantial. the fact that you posted this statement is rather godfatherly. Assuming judge is a medic, I highly doubt there's another medic out there. Given that there's 11 people, 3 are mafia, and the mafia only have a KP of 1; 2+ medics would be somewhat imbalanced towards the town. Of course if another person were to roleclaim medic then that would make things very fishy between judge and the person who additionally roleclaimed medic. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
What's more worrisome here, however, is the fact that the rules state that as a medic, you won't be told if your protection target has actually been protected, nor will they be told that they have been protected. If you're mafia, that means you can fake a 'confirmation' on yourself by stating that you protected, say, me while not hitting anyone for a night. isn't that kind of risky? provided judge doesn't openly claim who he was protecting , if he listed ace and L and himself for protection, and ace was mafia, for example- ace: Oh hey guys i was protected last night lololol judge: uh no, i protected myself ace: oh ace: .. FUUUU | ||
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