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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I really can't think of a situation where a self-vote is needed. Can you help me out here? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 edit: yea listen to judges reasons for voting. I agree with both of them. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Anyways, sup. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 05 2010 10:01 Ace wrote: you should allow self voting edit: yea listen to judges reasons for voting. I agree with both of them. Um ok I get rule four, but did you mean to remove 7 not 3? Because from the description it seems like rule 7 is the one that is discussed but you mentioned 3. Just waiting for nemY | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 05 2010 07:44 Scamp wrote: I really can't think of a situation where a self-vote is needed. Can you help me out here? Sure! I'm going to assume only one killing party in these 2 situations. It's a 9 player game. Town has lynched one scum player so far, and there has been a lynch/night-kill combination every day/night. Day 4 is headed into LYLO (lynch-or-lose) where they must lynch scum. On Day 3, the lynch is going to be a town player who knows he can't sway the opinions, but he also knows that the scum player is going to have to work to get a win in Day 4 (whether there are two really strong pro-town players or a few players onto his case) and that the player is going to need as much time as possible to figure out his night action. If the player waits till the deadline, that is more time for the scum player. But if he self-hammers and lynches himself, it cuts the scum players time short. Alternatively, on Day 3 with no scum lynches and a lynch/night-kill combination every night, a scum player is about to be lynched, but town is content to sit on his lynch until the deadline because they have no leads for his partner. Scum player can self-hammer to cut town planning time short and give their teammate a better shot going into D4's lylo situation. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On January 05 2010 10:24 Incognito wrote: Um ok I get rule four, but did you mean to remove 7 not 3? Because from the description it seems like rule 7 is the one that is discussed but you mentioned 3. Just waiting for nemY The reason I included rule #3: Rule #3 states: You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. If my vote is on Ace, but L is the leading lynch candidate and a single vote from being lynched, and we want to end the day because a cop investigation came forth confirming Ace as an innocent and we feel L's partner (we've found L conclusively scummy) would have too much time with a full deadline, I can't switch my vote to L according to this. e: I'm all for KEEPING rule #7. I'm for REMOVING rule #3 to allow bandwagon hopping - it can be a big scumtell, actually. e2: Judge plays way too much mafia to be good for his health. I was just in 5 games at the same time X_X | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 05 2010 14:09 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: The reason I included rule #3: If my vote is on Ace, but L is the leading lynch candidate and a single vote from being lynched, and we want to end the day because a cop investigation came forth confirming Ace as an innocent and we feel L's partner (we've found L conclusively scummy) would have too much time with a full deadline, I can't switch my vote to L according to this. e: I'm all for KEEPING rule #7. I'm for REMOVING rule #3 to allow bandwagon hopping - it can be a big scumtell, actually. e2: Judge plays way too much mafia to be good for his health. I was just in 5 games at the same time X_X Uh...why wouldn't you be able to switch to L? First off, this rule has been used on TL mafia forever as far as I remember, but I never heard someone think it meant no bandwagon hopping (which has happened plenty of times). I always thought this rule meant no editing your vote after the deadline is over to whoever won/lost to make you look less suspicious. Like L and Ace are both strong lynch candidates, and L is mafia, so L's teammate votes for Ace but after Ace flips blue, L's teammate edits his vote to say "I vote for L" so he doesn't get picked on after . Which is fishy. But I guess you could argue that its legal since you can lie all you want in the game? I always thought this was just in there to stop people from doing that. But reading L's response I'm going to remove rule 7 to keep day/night cycles of equal length. Unless of course everyone is opposed. But I doubt that. I think I just added that rule for the short 20min cycle game to speed it up a bit if there was a consensus. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Day 1 It was a cold January night. Ver scanned the plaza, slowly sipping his coffee, which by now was quite cold. Noticing a man carrying a briefcase walk out of the courthouse nearby, Ver slowly began to stand up. But Qatol immediately recognized the threat and tried to duck and shield himself with his briefcase. Smiling, Ver looked up at the window above where two men stood with a giant vat of coffee. The steaming hot liquid poured out of the sixth story window above, shocking the bewildered Qatol, who expected to hear a gunshot. His cries of agony were quickly silenced by the coffee maker that also descended from the sixth story window, crushing his skull. Now that Qatol was gone, Ver was confident that he would be able to win the lawsuit and drive his competitors out of business. Unfortunately, however, the animal activists didn't like the way his corporation was treating the chickens either. Walking back to his apartment, Ver found himself under attack by an aggressive animal activist, who waved a mutilated bloody chicken through the air. Ver reacted quickly and pulled out his gun, shooting Incognito through the chest twice before the chicken slammed down his throat head first, ending his plans to dominate the chicken industry. On the other side of town, ketomai raced the engine, panting loudly as he fled the town for reasons unknown to anyone but himself. The police are still investigating the reason for his swift disappearance. More news will come in the next few days. *** Day 1 voting starts now. Please vote in the thread located here. You have 48 hours until the night post. Remember the game has no clues. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
There's nearly nothing to talk about on the first day if no one talks, and we have no mayoral business to vote for. Because of this, and because I like making people post stupid garbage, I propose we go round table and each say who we want to off day one. So far, I've done around 5 minutes of thinking and I'm going to sleep directly after I type this post, so this won't be pretty or eloquent, but here's what I'm thinking so far. 1. RebirthOfLeGend 2. Ace 3. L 4. vx70GTOJudgexv 5. Scamp 6. Zato-1 7. Chezinu 8. nemY 9. HeavOnEarth 10. Vivi57 11. ketomai 12. Mikeymoo 13. Malongo 1) I normally get Ace killed really early. Its largely a barrel of fun and heaps of awesome. I doubt that Ace and I are on the same team because of the roster and the format, so he's probably red from where I'm standing. That said, Ace is probably the only person i'd be able to trust to not play like a sack of dimebags, so if he does turn out to be blue (which seems to be a trend when i kill him), the game would kinda end unless mafia were morans. 2) I hate vivi. RoL's dumb. Chezinu is a gigantic waste of a player, regardless of which side he's on, and nemy hasn't played in a while, and played somewhat subpar last game we were in due to inactivity. Granted that these are all easy "dumb" targets, I'll be extra risk and not pick any of them to see how people react. 3) Of the remaining players, we have Malongo, Mikey, ketomai, heavon, zato, scamp and judge. Scamp and Heavon typically do not post often, so this is the first and last "do shit in the thread or I'm going to push to get you killed warning". Malongo is an above average player, and I honestly don't remember anything about mikey or ketomai. Judge is very good in this type of format. Zato's a bit above average too. $) so what does that mean? It means fucking nothing. This format sucks balls day one, but I'd go with Malongo as my day 1 pick. He's good enough to be placed with mafia as their 'strong' player, but if he dies and flips town, I'll (maybe Ace or Judge too, normally i die night 2 anyways) probably die during the night which leaves both Ace and Judge up. Granted that I assume Incog wouldn't put them both as mafia (because that would be a bit fucked), so at least 1 top tier player is still in the mix even if we miss doc protection and hit incorrectly %) Alternate plan is to kill people who we know are fucking useless and who won't 'fuck up' because they're so fucking inactive. If that's the case, i'd hit nemY first. Not that I hate the guy or anything, but there's some weird fucking 'stupid' sympathy which keeps vivi alive when I try to get him killed and I'm kinda hoping Chezinu doesn't do his standard stupid shit. If he does, I'm pretty sure we're going to have to start killing him day 1-2 in every game he joins until he stops being a moron. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
I AM A MEDIC. Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote: I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity. Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity? Word. I actually plan to play this game through. I'm really surprised it was Vivi who first said to kill me and not L, considering how often I seem to get L killed. Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Oh wait he claimed detective. Maybe this will turn out better. I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote: I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity. Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience. Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace). Leaning: Lynch Chezinu Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis. DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not. Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. On a final note: Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11. Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi. What evidence are you talking about? If it's, "He accused me so I'll accuse him", that's not valid in my book- it leads to Town infighting most of the time, which benefits none but the mafia. If you get accused / suggested for lynching, it's just that. Defend yourself; if we deem you to be innocent / not worth lynching, you'll live. Otherwise, you'll die. Starting a public flame war with another player is not the correct reaction to being suggested for lynching. | ||
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