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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:16 Malongo wrote: How much time do we have to vote? im going to sleep soon. Voting ends tomorrow 8:00 PM PST (moving it up a couple hours for the east coast folks). You have plenty of time. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it. Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early. If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 06 2010 08:46 Zato-1 wrote: Actually, I kind of disagree with many regarding Judge's claim. One of the mafia's most powerful weapons is deception; if they can pass the ball along to one another in order to point the finger at townies as mafia suspects and then shrug responsibility off somehow, the flow of the game is favorable to them. If the Town members assume strong leading roles and set the pace of the game, it's advantageous to us. Overall, I agree with Judge's move. I find it likely that he's not, in fact, mafia. I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote: I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). I never said it was easy for the rest of us to determine whether he's lying or not. But, seen from the point of view of someone who IS town-aligned, I can see how that person would want to jump into the limelight and assume a leadership role. Lurking or erring on the side of caution will just let someone else take the reins of leadership- why risk having mafia set the floor for the discussion, when you can do it yourself? It makes sense to me. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 06 2010 09:18 Malongo wrote: -I really dont see the point in RoLs post and i dont like the fact that scamp came up just 10 minutes later to support his own defence. How did RoL knew scamp wasnt inactive? Why is RoL too lazy to read tonight but has his time to half defend scamp? Maybe this is just a coincidence but since we are lynching almost on blind i like RoL. At least we can autofire at scamp if RoL flips red. I thought the point in RoL's post was pretty obvious: shouldn't we wait and see who's inactive before we target specific people for inactivity? I came on and agreed, the fact that Vivi was targeting me was just coincidence. I don't think that his post implies in any way that he knew I wasn't inactive. Also it was 20 minutes and not 10. But yeah, RoL's only posted once so far, and the point he made doesn't really make a difference in the game. A few other people have only posted once offering nothing of significance, and if this continues for much longer I say we target them. On January 06 2010 05:58 HeavOnEarth wrote: isn't that kind of risky? provided judge doesn't openly claim who he was protecting , if he listed ace and L and himself for protection, and ace was mafia, for example- ace: Oh hey guys i was protected last night lololol judge: uh no, i protected myself ace: oh ace: .. FUUUU This scenerio doesn't make any sense to me at all. I can't think of a single reason why Ace would say that if Judge isn't mafia. Now if Ace and Judge were both mafia and Judge clamed that he protected Ace, that's the play that "clears" Judge (and Ace too) that we're worried about happening. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:04 L wrote: What language? I'm positively cordial this game, my good sir. i believe he's referring to your first post where u shit on 1/2 the town ^_^ | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote: I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). THIS IS LIKE THE FOURTH ANTI-ROL POST I HAVE SEEN. GET THE FUCK OFF IT. Holy shit. I am going to go read the entire thread and just start yelling at everyone I feel like yelling at. Especially you, because I hate you for hating me. See you all in 20 minutes! | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote: Dear morans. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moran Step one. Learn to spell properly before insulting everyone else. You suck. Also you replaced your 4th and 5th bullets with $ %. On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A MEDIC. + Show Spoiler [Bullshit] + Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. This is such a bullshit post its absurd. You are mafia. There is no fucking way to ever confirm you. You are probably just the godfather whose just going to try to dickover a DT. I would say just kill you tonight and save us the drama. There really is NO reason to keep you alive. You are either going to cause confusion in trying to confirm you as a "medic" because it just can't be done. Killing you will either A. Get rid of a mafia who tried playing some dumb ploy that just shouldn't let you live but no one wants to A. Waste a lynch and B. Kill a blue. I am just going to say it, your move was dumb and is very mafia orientated. We can't prove your mafia or a medic, we can't prove shit. Your just going to cause confusion and probably get a DT killed. Losing the GF isn't a big deal either as long as you can trade it off for a "DT" or some town influence for a couple of days. Lets just kill Judge and save ourselves the god damn heartache and pages of arguments. I am not even waiting, I am voting for him as a I write this. Disagree with me or not, hes playing like a retard or a mafia trying a dumb ploy that in most circumstances I could see paying off. But lets not let this become one of those circumstances. On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience. Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace). Leaning: Lynch Chezinu Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis. DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not. CANT WE WAIT UNTIL CHEZ FUCKING POSTS? I mean if he really posts his Brown shit we kill him. Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. I also think while we are having our medics protect blue roles we should also only lynch reds. I feel like following this solid plan can win us the game. On January 05 2010 20:22 Zato-1 wrote: What evidence are you talking about? If it's, "He accused me so I'll accuse him", that's not valid in my book- it leads to Town infighting most of the time, which benefits none but the mafia. Learn to read sarcasm. He only posted that because Vivi said kill Scamp for dumb reasons before seeing how hes playing at all. If hes quiet we kill him. On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote:I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. Holy shit Ace, this is ridiculous. You have no idea what happened last game to where you can judge me "manipulated" Yeah, I sided with L that Shikyo was probably the GF because 3 DT's seemed improbable. At the same time Shikyo never communicated with me and stopped posting when L told me he was GF. He went from being really active to not posting shit for no reason at all. I also managed to do 2 succesful protects after making contact with L, which he knew I was protecting. I forgot who they were on but one was Midori. Why would the mafia waste their hits when they KNOW who I am protecting? The only time that it was an "OH SHIT" moment was when I saw a second medic die and was really confused. I didn't realize for the sake of game balance their wouldn't be two medics and a Veteran. I died like a day later. So for you to say I played like absolute shit speaks to your ignorance. I predicted three hits which were also the SAME EXACT FUCKING PROTECTS THE OTHER MEDIC DID. So yeah, maybe a saved a mafia with one of them but if I didn't the other medic would have. Just get off my balls please and move on with the game. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him. You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it. So we have 2 topics of interest now: 1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill There are better ways to get attention as a vet while not fucking with the town. Lying is generally a bad thing to do, it is mafia behavior. Be as honest as possible and keep plans simple. That is how you behave town orientated. If hes trying to get the DT to check him its dumb, he would probably just be the godfather with this behavior. I want to kill Judge and just save us this problem further down the line. I already posted how this benefits the mafia for more than it could the town. Mafia is NOT risking KP with a move like this and they can get a DT if the DT is foolish enough to role check and call to Judge. They are also getting the town off topic which doesn't help us either. So yeah, 1. Medic is bullshit GF ploy. 2. Kill Judge. Simple enough. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
anyway time to keep reading! | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote: Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification. AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW? HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS. Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo Very simply if you wanted to use a mouth here is all you had to do. Wait a day or a little bit, just PM someone completely fucking random and just say "Hey the way you were posting makes me think your a *TOWN ROLE* tonight I just want to start up town circle seems like a good way to start it. and yeah tonight I am protecting L. Then just protect your fucking self. If there is no hit at all that night, chances are you PMed a mafia who is like "lol ez kill" then hit you thinking you were just sitting there for fun. They probably also would of overlooked that you could protect yourself. But you decided to do some dumbshit move. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote: First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself. Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it. Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early. If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. I also agree with this 100%. See Ace we can agree if we really try! Oh and here's to my inactivity going away. I just didn't have time/patience to read the entire thread at that moment. I will post tons don't worry. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 07 2010 00:45 Zato-1 wrote: Get a hold of yourself, man. Trying to vindicate your actions in a previous game, fighting back at random insults and posting 6 times consecutively while sounding really passionate at the same time just makes it look like you're lashing out. Not conducive to a smart, organized Town at all. So, yeah- less talk-back and discussing other games, more discussing what we should be doing this game please. Read more please, 90% of what I wrote was about this game and Judge's actions. The other 10% was about talking about past games. I just simply said that Ace can't continue being a dick because hes mad I fucked him over when I was a VI like 2 years ago. This grudge shit is annoying and not productive. Ace assumes he knows everything about everything when in reality most people in my situation would of done the same shit most likely including himself. Can we please just focus on Judge? and i was posting as I was reading and knowing that a lot of people just skip text blocks I repeated a few things as I was reading. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 06 2010 09:18 Malongo wrote: -I really dont see the point in RoLs post and i dont like the fact that scamp came up just 10 minutes later to support his own defence. How did RoL knew scamp wasnt inactive? Why is RoL too lazy to read tonight but has his time to half defend scamp? Maybe this is just a coincidence but since we are lynching almost on blind i like RoL. At least we can autofire at scamp if RoL flips red. -For Judges claim its really not that important its not like he was a primary target for the town to lynch and if he is town alligned he can keep mafia guessing. Its something like claiming Im a cat. - Ls posting seem almost smart so im inclined to tell judge and L are town/side. I'm grasping here, but this is the only post so far that hints at someone being mafia. This someone being its author, Malongo. Why? First paragraph, he supports lynching RoL just because 'if he flips red, Scamp is also mafia'. I see no good reason to suspect RoL is mafia, and I don't see this chummy mafioso friendship between RoL and Scamp. In essence, his argument is, "I think if we kill RoL and he flips red, we'll get two birds in one stone! If we kill him and he's Townie, well then, too bad". How convenient does that sound if you're actually Mafia and you know RoL is not on your side? Third paragraph, he's saying L and Judge are trustworthy, and putting himself by their sides. He's basically creating two small groups; "Good Guys" which includes L, Judge and himself (He might even know L and Judge to be Townies; he can just kill them off at night and vindicate his good game sense, saying "I told you so!"), and "Bad Guys", which right now is just RoL, the person he wants to kill. I am in no way certain Malongo is mafia, but it does look like mafia mentality to me. Malongo, you've earned my vote. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I honestly just think hes being a dumb townie. However that post is also from when I had not really said anything and Scamp hadn't really either. If we believe in lynching inactives to make mafia post or die then he chose two decent candidates, me having not posted anything and scamp having not really posted much. The only thing I posted was kind of in scamp's defense. I am sure Malongo would change his mind now when he rereads the thread. That post is from at least one page ago and kind of just looks like you are trying to save Judge from having made a bad move. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 07 2010 01:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Zato, I agree kind of. In any other person I think it would be suspicious. I can agree L is saying some stuff I do agree with, however Judge is acting like a retard/mafia. The stuff he is doing just does not benefit us. You are actually essentially using the same mentality is him. Guilt by association, just because I said something about Scamp doesn't mean we are friends and on the same note just because he mentioned them I don't think they are mafia if he is, but you are saying we should kill him because then it casts doubt on the two others. This is the same logic he just used on me and Scamp which you just disagreed with. I honestly just think hes being a dumb townie. However that post is also from when I had not really said anything and Scamp hadn't really either. If we believe in lynching inactives to make mafia post or die then he chose two decent candidates, me having not posted anything and scamp having not really posted much. The only thing I posted was kind of in scamp's defense. I am sure Malongo would change his mind now when he rereads the thread. That post is from at least one page ago and kind of just looks like you are trying to save Judge from having made a bad move. I don't particularly care for Judge. He may very well be mafia. I just don't think it's a good decision to lynch him right now, because there are more likely mafia candidates. After night 1 comes and goes I hope to have a bit more clarity regarding him. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
*Off-topic* RoL I don't think you should criticize someone's spelling unless you want to be criticized for your mistakes too. So: You're = you are. Your = possessive. If you can say "you are" in place of "your" in the sentence and it makes sense, you used the wrong one. Sorry, I like to be a grammar nazi even though my spelling is atrocious. */Off-topic* Anyway, I'd like to point this out. On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active. Some links would be nice. I'd like to see this tactic in play and see it work well. Chezinu needs to post more or he's getting my vote. I do like Zato's analysis on Malongo too so I'd like to see his response to that. I'm also keeping my eye on a few other people, hopefully they'll post today. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Stop asking questions about the plan, because the more I lay out now, the less effective it is. Right now it is 9 hours to deadline, and a slew of people have decided to go under. Let's figure out which one of them is going to be a lynch candidate tonight, and at 10:50 PM EST I will lay out the night phase of my plan for you all to see. I've got a pretty good feeling that this is going to catch one mafia tonight, if you just let me work my magic. | ||
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