EPTLike, even if GET won their series vs WE, how suspect they looked in games 1 and 2 would raise a lot of questions. Sure you could argue GET was sandbagging game 2, but they also probably sandbagged some of their round robin games in LCK equally hard, and still only ever dropped 2 games. It would at least raise the possibility of the best Chinese teams being competitive with the best Korean team, which hasn't been the case in the last 2 years at all.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Like, even if GET won their series vs WE, how suspect they looked in games 1 and 2 would raise a lot of questions. Sure you could argue GET was sandbagging game 2, but they also probably sandbagged some of their round robin games in LCK equally hard, and still only ever dropped 2 games. It would at least raise the possibility of the best Chinese teams being competitive with the best Korean team, which hasn't been the case in the last 2 years at all. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:33 KissBlade wrote: Eh I think I've been taking too much away from TSM this thread. I really hope this tourney was a wakeup call for Korea and hopefully orgs will start treating their players better. yeah and you still haven't justified your use of the word "irony" to describe people calling TSM a world class team, as if "ironic" means "unfounded" or "silly" or something | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:34 wei2coolman wrote: Even if GET had won this tourney, I'd still say EDG, Snake are stronger teams. Snake, seriously? Snake have lost to WE before as much as Chinese fans like to purport the myth that WE can't take a game off top Chinese teams. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Playing international tournaments well isn't something you're automatically good at doing well locally. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:36 TheYango wrote: Again, GET dropping games to TSM and WE would already raise eyebrows, because that'd already be a huge indicator of Korea's level of dominance being far below what it used to be. Like, even if GET won their series vs WE, how suspect they looked in games 1 and 2 would raise a lot of questions. Sure you could argue GET was sandbagging game 2, but they also probably sandbagged some of their round robin games in LCK equally hard, and still only ever dropped 2 games. It would at least raise the possibility of the best Chinese teams being competitive with the best Korean team, which hasn't been the case in the last 2 years at all. Pretty much this. Tales of this split, Korean exodus makes Korean into mere mortals. NA still meh. EU makes Korean exodus look like a good gameplan. China level up from Korean golfers. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Also yadda yadda rookies, chokeboys, no experience in substantial best of series etc etc | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:36 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: yeah and you still haven't justified your use of the word "irony" to describe people calling TSM a world class team, as if "ironic" means "unfounded" or "silly" or something No the situation is ironic because we're calling a team world class for winning "World Championship" grand final against the worst team in China. I literally didn't realize you actually needed the explanation earlier. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:40 TheYango wrote: Honestly, for all we know, Snake could totally collapse once LPL moves to playoffs, lol. Really? I don't understand why Snake still needs to do more to prove themselves. They look like a really good team that knows how to play their specific styles no matter how one dimensional they may seem. I mean their members are all reasonably able at positions and they have pretty good strategy sense. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:42 KissBlade wrote: Really? I don't understand why Snake still needs to do more to prove themselves. They look like a really good team that knows how to play their specific styles no matter how one dimensional they may seem. I mean their members are all reasonably able at positions and they have pretty good strategy sense. Sounds like SK gaming. before this tourney that is | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
SHRC played the way they did out of necessity due to Uzi being far and away their best player. I don't think Kryst4l is Snake's best player, they just play around him because that's the only style they can execute. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:41 Itsmedudeman wrote: Snake can only win when Kryst4l is hard carrying them and nothing else from them is outstanding. They're basically SHRC 2.0 except Uzi is still the better player. Don't think this style will work when teams outside of China don't team fight every 3 minutes to make the ADC shine and get farmed that way. At least Uzi was and still is a fantastic laner that pretty much always seems to get ahead in the early game. I don't think you watch LPL at all if you actually belive this, this is the level of ignorance that you'd see on something like ChinaTalk lol. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:43 las91 wrote: Sounds like SK gaming. before this tourney that is Eh I would've liked to see SK vs TSM. Bo1 double elim is awful. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:39 KissBlade wrote: No the situation is ironic because we're calling a team world class for winning "World Championship" grand final against the worst team in China. I literally didn't realize you actually needed the explanation earlier. yeah that's not what irony means. reasoning that you consider faulty or silly isn't necessarily ironic. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:42 KissBlade wrote: Really? I don't understand why Snake still needs to do more to prove themselves. They look like a really good team that knows how to play their specific styles no matter how one dimensional they may seem. I mean their members are all reasonably able at positions and they have pretty good strategy sense. Playing BoX/bracket tournaments is just as much (if not more) the mental game/stamina/handling the pressure as it is actually playing the game--literally every competitive player says this but literally every spectator forgets this when evaluating players/teams that haven't proven themselves in high-pressure situations. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:43 TheYango wrote: I'm not sure I agree with that. SHRC played the way they did out of necessity due to Uzi being far and away their best player. I don't think Kryst4l is Snake's best player, they just play around him because that's the only style they can execute. This is definitely the most accurate description of Snake. I'm still excited to see SHRC come into their own, since Namei joined. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:45 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: yeah that's not what irony means. reasoning that you consider faulty or silly isn't necessarily ironic. Err ... I suggest you look at what irony means if you don't see how it fits the situation here. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:45 wei2coolman wrote: This is definitely the most accurate description of Snake. I'm still excited to see SHRC come into their own, since Namei joined. Namei's the most overrated ADC of all time. If Royal starts winning again, it's because they finally figured out Godlike is the best player they have and a thousand times better than Cola, not because they have Namei. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On March 16 2015 07:46 KissBlade wrote: Err ... I suggest you look at what irony means then. okay i don't think i can convince you, but... oh well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Definitions i agree with the part of the first section, that says "though hundreds might be given, and very few of them would be accepted"... from "Henry Watson Fowler, in The King's English, says "any definition of irony—though hundreds might be given, and very few of them would be accepted—must include this, that the surface meaning and the underlying meaning of what is said are not the same." Also, Eric Partridge, in Usage and Abusage, writes that "Irony consists in stating the contrary of what is meant."" but i don't see any of any of the definitions of irony present simply in people using reasoning that you don't agree with. your assertions of the invalidity of these results are only that, and we're already begging the question of what it means to be a world-class team, a term people will definitely have disputes over. | ||
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