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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
I'll update this thread once I have proper team logos and stuff. I guess we will use one thread for the whole event, it will be updated after games.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On March 09 2015 16:04 XilenX wrote:
i hate the bo1 format.
That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad.
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On March 09 2015 16:08 739 wrote:That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad.
So the chance of C9 pulling a UOL on the GE tigers seem fair ?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
World Elite and Moe Flash Wolves BO1ing the west to death hype
Poland is not ready for the motherfucking LPL champion Aluka
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On March 09 2015 16:12 XilenX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 16:08 739 wrote:On March 09 2015 16:04 XilenX wrote:
i hate the bo1 format. That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad. So the chance of C9 pulling a UOL on the GE tigers seem fair ?
I mean, if all tournaments were predictable then it wouldn't be exciting to watch. Hell, american football plays bo1s throughout the entire playoffs. You think that's fair? But under scheduling constraints/player health concerns that's just how it works sometimes and nobody complains because it's reasonable under the circumstances. And honestly, koreans are way favored in this type of setup as shown by KT B and SKT last year in fast tournies.
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On March 09 2015 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 16:12 XilenX wrote:On March 09 2015 16:08 739 wrote:On March 09 2015 16:04 XilenX wrote:
i hate the bo1 format. That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad. So the chance of C9 pulling a UOL on the GE tigers seem fair ? I mean, if all tournaments were predictable then it wouldn't be exciting to watch. Hell, american football plays bo1s throughout the entire playoffs. You think that's fair? But under scheduling constraints/player health concerns that's just how it works sometimes and nobody complains because it's reasonable under the circumstances. And honestly, koreans are way favored in this type of setup as shown by KT B and SKT last year in fast tournies.
What? Pretty sure Bo1 favors the weaker teams more as they have better chances for an upset.
If you go for Bo3, good luck trying to outsmart Korean team's preparation.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
So you make 2 threads per 2 days LCS week but went for 1 IEM thread? XD
Yoe Moe Flash Wolves and WE, let's go.
CoCo and Space with chance to win their first and last gold or PraY to win his first gold in 2 years.
Hypu, LPL champion is going to steamroll Katowice.
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This is the tournament where the west strikes back. xD
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On March 09 2015 19:26 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 09 2015 16:12 XilenX wrote:On March 09 2015 16:08 739 wrote:On March 09 2015 16:04 XilenX wrote:
i hate the bo1 format. That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad. So the chance of C9 pulling a UOL on the GE tigers seem fair ? I mean, if all tournaments were predictable then it wouldn't be exciting to watch. Hell, american football plays bo1s throughout the entire playoffs. You think that's fair? But under scheduling constraints/player health concerns that's just how it works sometimes and nobody complains because it's reasonable under the circumstances. And honestly, koreans are way favored in this type of setup as shown by KT B and SKT last year in fast tournies. What? Pretty sure Bo1 favors the weaker teams more as they have better chances for an upset. If you go for Bo3, good luck trying to outsmart Korean team's preparation.
No, because preparation and practice always favors the western teams. Western teams have to adjust to the Korean playstyle because they play a lot cleaner and some picks may just not work against them. They get time through scrims to catch up basically so for extended tournaments like Worlds you see teams being able to get a lot better before the games actually start. KT B was like a 7th place team during the last IEM and they won easily. Ever hear all the stories about Western teams arriving at Korea and saying they got stomped for the first week or so and then got better?
Aside from tournament length I've yet to remember a Korean team playing poorly in bo1 group stages.
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Shhh don't jinx it or they'll take our 1 thread away 
Anyway I've already said what I think about bo1 DE > groups and why no double elemination ;___: but looking at the schedule reminded me that literally only finals are on sunday when they could easily put semis on a different stage, but nope gotta make sure people watch dead game and counterstrike and gotta finish the event early so everyone can go home (not sure how that works in other parts of the world but in Poland noone takes a free day on monday after event, so they have to return on Sunday early enough to get some sleep). In a better world we have semis on sunday and that way we can make it so that winners and losers finals of pools are also bo3 and spread them between friday and saturday.
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On March 09 2015 20:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 19:26 Kavas wrote:On March 09 2015 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 09 2015 16:12 XilenX wrote:On March 09 2015 16:08 739 wrote:On March 09 2015 16:04 XilenX wrote:
i hate the bo1 format. That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad. So the chance of C9 pulling a UOL on the GE tigers seem fair ? I mean, if all tournaments were predictable then it wouldn't be exciting to watch. Hell, american football plays bo1s throughout the entire playoffs. You think that's fair? But under scheduling constraints/player health concerns that's just how it works sometimes and nobody complains because it's reasonable under the circumstances. And honestly, koreans are way favored in this type of setup as shown by KT B and SKT last year in fast tournies. What? Pretty sure Bo1 favors the weaker teams more as they have better chances for an upset. If you go for Bo3, good luck trying to outsmart Korean team's preparation. No, because preparation and practice always favors the western teams. Western teams have to adjust to the Korean playstyle because they play a lot cleaner and some picks may just not work against them. They get time through scrims to catch up basically so for extended tournaments like Worlds you see teams being able to get a lot better before the games actually start. KT B was like a 7th place team during the last IEM and they won easily. Ever hear all the stories about Western teams arriving at Korea and saying they got stomped for the first week or so and then got better? Aside from tournament length I've yet to remember a Korean team playing poorly in bo1 group stages.
That's what they say, then they went back to LCS and still went into relegation. Truly Counter Logic :D
As for Korean team doing poorly, a certain Najin team which got perfect gamed at group stage comes to mind.
Let's just use simple stats. If we were to treat TSM/C9's World Championship Bo5 against the Samsung's as individual Bo1, they have 25% chance to beat them; if we treat they as Bo3/5, they have 0% chance of beating them.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On March 09 2015 19:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
So you make 2 threads per 2 days LCS week but went for 1 IEM thread? XD
Yoe Moe Flash Wolves and WE, let's go.
CoCo and Space with chance to win their first and last game or PraY to win his first gold in 2 years.
Hypu, LPL champion is going to steamroll Katowice.
Screw logic, am I rite?
Also there is a difference between LCS that has weekly matches for X weeks and an event that lasts 3 days ^^
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On March 09 2015 21:41 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2015 20:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 09 2015 19:26 Kavas wrote:On March 09 2015 18:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 09 2015 16:12 XilenX wrote:On March 09 2015 16:08 739 wrote:On March 09 2015 16:04 XilenX wrote:
i hate the bo1 format. That's how IEM works. bo3 for semis and bo5 for Final, not that bad. So the chance of C9 pulling a UOL on the GE tigers seem fair ? I mean, if all tournaments were predictable then it wouldn't be exciting to watch. Hell, american football plays bo1s throughout the entire playoffs. You think that's fair? But under scheduling constraints/player health concerns that's just how it works sometimes and nobody complains because it's reasonable under the circumstances. And honestly, koreans are way favored in this type of setup as shown by KT B and SKT last year in fast tournies. What? Pretty sure Bo1 favors the weaker teams more as they have better chances for an upset. If you go for Bo3, good luck trying to outsmart Korean team's preparation. No, because preparation and practice always favors the western teams. Western teams have to adjust to the Korean playstyle because they play a lot cleaner and some picks may just not work against them. They get time through scrims to catch up basically so for extended tournaments like Worlds you see teams being able to get a lot better before the games actually start. KT B was like a 7th place team during the last IEM and they won easily. Ever hear all the stories about Western teams arriving at Korea and saying they got stomped for the first week or so and then got better? Aside from tournament length I've yet to remember a Korean team playing poorly in bo1 group stages. That's what they say, then they went back to LCS and still went into relegation. Truly Counter Logic :D As for Korean team doing poorly, a certain Najin team which got perfect gamed at group stage comes to mind. Let's just use simple stats. If we were to treat TSM/C9's World Championship Bo5 against the Samsung's as individual Bo1, they have 25% chance to beat them; if we treat they as Bo3/5, they have 0% chance of beating them.
Well in your example Najin just weren't very good at the time. Had nothing to do with the volatility of Bo1s. They got 3-0'd by OMG in the quarters and it's not like OMG were a particularly outstanding team at Worlds. Also yes, you can drop bo1s but it's not like you play one bo1 and you're out of the tournament. The group stage format is basically a bo3 and semis are the same. Drop 2 games and you're out. Can't say I particularly like the format since it's probably the format with the fewest games in groups though and only 1 team plays 3 games.
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Predictions aside, can anyone tell me how is Katowice pronounced?
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
It's pronounced "Cahtovitzeh".
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On March 09 2015 19:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
So you make 2 threads per 2 days LCS week but went for 1 IEM thread? XD
Yoe Moe Flash Wolves and WE, let's go.
CoCo and Space with chance to win their first and last gold or PraY to win his first gold in 2 years.
Hypu, LPL champion is going to steamroll Katowice.
It really depends which bot-lane WE is going to feature.
Some say that IEM requires at least two players from their qualification lineup, which means team WE must use both Ninja and Conan as their starting lineup. Styz is widely regarded as the worst ADC in LPL right now, and Styz with Conan at the bot-lane is just a disaster in making.
On the other hand, some say that the 2-players requirement is not that strict. As long as they are with the team (on the bench), it is OK. So in the last couple of days, another rumor has surfaced, which says Mystic and Xiye are going to replace Styz and Ninja respectively at the IEM. If this is true, that is a lot of soloq talent, since Mystic, Xiye and Spirit are the top 3 players on Chinese soloq right now. Whether their team coordination is as polished is anyone's guess.
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*quietly chants & performs voodoo rituals for many many upsets to happen during the course of IEM*
On the other hand I kinda want YoeFW & WE to get knocked out ASAP. Listening to western casters trying to fib their way into presenting a veneer-thin understanding of LMS/LPL will undoubtedly be a pain.
Which also reminds me: can I assume that there'll be official CN casting of IEM on TGA? I know the LMS casters are casting IEM, but some of the CN casters are really good too (for games not involving CN teams at least; nationalism runs strong over at the LPL cast)
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