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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 01:19:18
September 06 2013 01:11 GMT
#581
NA have been on their high horse ever since All stars. Like why are people putting so much value onto an event like that? Historically NA have been far below their counterparts, and currently C9 are the only team doing well. Now I could also remind you that OMG has done the same thing C9 has done in their region with many, many better opponents.

Good thing my favorite moments have been TSM getting embarrassed with the top moment being MLG where they went 0-6 to Blaze after saying the Koreans are overhyped and not proven.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
September 06 2013 01:36 GMT
#582
On September 06 2013 10:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
NA have been on their high horse ever since All stars. Like why are people putting so much value onto an event like that? Historically NA have been far below their counterparts, and currently C9 are the only team doing well. Now I could also remind you that OMG has done the same thing C9 has done in their region with many, many better opponents.

Good thing my favorite moments have been TSM getting embarrassed with the top moment being MLG where they went 0-6 to Blaze after saying the Koreans are overhyped and not proven.

At the time, they were. The only international competition they had before then they lost horribly, iirc.
Baffels
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 01:45:28
September 06 2013 01:38 GMT
#583
So who survives the Blaze roster changes? After watching this season of Champions I think Flame is the only one not in jeopardy. Ambition and Hermes have been really underwhelming and while Helios and Lustboy aren't as obviously struggling they haven't done much either. Is this the return of Cpt. Jack?

Really this is the best week of LoL ever. Also Flame renekton <3
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 06 2013 01:46 GMT
#584
All four bot laners should be gone.

Blaze should look for a Jungle and Mid sub, but keep Ambition and Helios. Let them fight for their jobs. If the fail like Rapidstar or get beaten out, then that should be that.

The four bottom laners have all proven none of them are consistent enough to challenge the other duos in Korea. It's time to move on.
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 01:51:06
September 06 2013 01:50 GMT
#585
I don't see c9 breaking the top 4. 5th or 6th would be something I could see happening. But vs teams like ozone, omg, skt1, or frost they will stay close about the first 10 mins then u will see the gap in skill come out
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glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
September 06 2013 02:15 GMT
#586
I think Frost will do better next season. Maybe they can pick up a back up jungler, that might help a little. Or CT can keep training his mechanics hard.

Cpt Jack can make plays when he's on his game, but otherwise very lackluster. I wonder how many more good ADs are left up for grabs.

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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 06 2013 03:18 GMT
#587
Blaze is in trouble. Flame beat up Insec every game(although part of that was due to the attention Helios put onto him, the other being some bad matchups).

But ambition&Helios looked underwhelming, and then their bot lane....

Lost the 2v2 hard, even in mid lane(how????). I'm not even sure a strong jungler would have saved them considering how badly they lost just laning. It's not like they were playing weak laners either. They had favorable matchups in at least a couple of the games and lost all the same.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 06 2013 03:35 GMT
#588
On September 06 2013 10:50 IamPryda wrote:
I don't see c9 breaking the top 4. 5th or 6th would be something I could see happening. But vs teams like ozone, omg, skt1, or frost they will stay close about the first 10 mins then u will see the gap in skill come out

eh. honestly I think C9 may even do worse than some of the other NA teams tbh. C9's weakness has always been the early game/laning phase. It's just that they're incredibly solid mid game and due to how NA teams can't hold onto a lead they always surge ahead. Against a good team, they won't get that chance.

But who knows. Maybe the NA teams will bootcamp hard before worlds and win everything.



lol
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 06 2013 03:51 GMT
#589
C9 could very easily make top 4 if they draw the weakest team to come out of groupstage.
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JL13
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1384 Posts
September 06 2013 04:08 GMT
#590
Does C9 discussion belong in Korea's Regional Finals? o_O

That being said, Blaze looked really really lost in last night's games =(. I agree with the points about restructuring the bot lane. Adding competition between Ambition and a sub would be good and might have the same effect EG went through with Snoopeh / Shacker. I like Helios and Flame. They should keep their spots.

Looking forward to KTB / Frost. As much of a fan I am of Shy and Madlife, this is KTB's series to lose. I expect KTB to replicate a similar run compared to their Champions run against both CJ Entus teams. The "Trinity Affinity" meta should help Shy out cause he plays a lot of Jax which might throw a wrench into KTB's plans. But I honestly see KTB just going with the ban the two hook supports/X (first pick sona) strategy and outlane their Frost counterparts. The 4th-seed placement shouldn't be looked into so much because Insec did not play (Ssumday did instead and I think Insec's synergy with Kakao is just better). Heart = Frost, Mind = Bullets.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 06 2013 04:19 GMT
#591
Well seeing as how most likely it's going to be 2 korean teams, at least 1 chinese team, and either the second best chinese/best EU team coming out it's probably not gonna be easy. I don't think they're "favored" against any of those. They have a solid chance though IF they manage to pull the weakest team.
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
September 06 2013 04:22 GMT
#592
On September 06 2013 13:08 JL13 wrote:
Does C9 discussion belong in Korea's Regional Finals? o_O

That being said, Blaze looked really really lost in last night's games =(. I agree with the points about restructuring the bot lane. Adding competition between Ambition and a sub would be good and might have the same effect EG went through with Snoopeh / Shacker. I like Helios and Flame. They should keep their spots.

Looking forward to KTB / Frost. As much of a fan I am of Shy and Madlife, this is KTB's series to lose. I expect KTB to replicate a similar run compared to their Champions run against both CJ Entus teams. The "Trinity Affinity" meta should help Shy out cause he plays a lot of Jax which might throw a wrench into KTB's plans. But I honestly see KTB just going with the ban the two hook supports/X (first pick sona) strategy and outlane their Frost counterparts. The 4th-seed placement shouldn't be looked into so much because Insec did not play (Ssumday did instead and I think Insec's synergy with Kakao is just better). Heart = Frost, Mind = Bullets.


With Frost its either going to be a steamroll by Bullets or a Game 5, because once they get on a bad roll they don't seem to have the stamina to come back these days. However they are still a formidable force in blind pick, only reason they lost one to Ozone was because of a untypical Baron throw. Otherwise they were looking like they were going to take the game.

But with InSec in top we may see a much more intense game. This is finally the rematch from the group stages when they split 1-1, with GBM and inSec both playing.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 06:15:19
September 06 2013 06:13 GMT
#593
On September 06 2013 12:35 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 10:50 IamPryda wrote:
I don't see c9 breaking the top 4. 5th or 6th would be something I could see happening. But vs teams like ozone, omg, skt1, or frost they will stay close about the first 10 mins then u will see the gap in skill come out

eh. honestly I think C9 may even do worse than some of the other NA teams tbh. C9's weakness has always been the early game/laning phase. It's just that they're incredibly solid mid game and due to how NA teams can't hold onto a lead they always surge ahead. Against a good team, they won't get that chance.

But who knows. Maybe the NA teams will bootcamp hard before worlds and win everything.



lol


I don't think with how fierce the international LoL competition is, that "bootcamping" before big international events gives you much of an advantage. If you want to compete, you probably need to be bootcamping 24/7 all year long anyway, like the Koreans/Chinese do.

Als,o for Cloud 9 to do worse than the other NA teams, the other NA teams would have to get out of groups in the first place. Which isn't something I'd put my money on.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 06:43:19
September 06 2013 06:43 GMT
#594
On September 06 2013 13:08 JL13 wrote:
Does C9 discussion belong in Korea's Regional Finals? o_O

JBright hasn't made the S3 Worlds thread yet what a slacker

On September 06 2013 13:08 JL13 wrote:
Looking forward to KTB / Frost. As much of a fan I am of Shy and Madlife, this is KTB's series to lose. I expect KTB to replicate a similar run compared to their Champions run against both CJ Entus teams. The "Trinity Affinity" meta should help Shy out cause he plays a lot of Jax which might throw a wrench into KTB's plans. But I honestly see KTB just going with the ban the two hook supports/X (first pick sona) strategy and outlane their Frost counterparts. The 4th-seed placement shouldn't be looked into so much because Insec did not play (Ssumday did instead and I think Insec's synergy with Kakao is just better). Heart = Frost, Mind = Bullets.


I think its going to be a 3-1 Frost or 3-0 Bullets. Either Frost have figured out how to not automatically lose against any 'Z' champion, or they haven't. If Shy can get a good game going that turns into overall Frost win, then Insec can easily go on tilt and allow Shy to get out of control for the rest of the series.

On the other hand, Frost might just autolose.
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
September 06 2013 06:54 GMT
#595
On September 06 2013 13:08 JL13 wrote:
Does C9 discussion belong in Korea's Regional Finals? o_O

That being said, Blaze looked really really lost in last night's games =(. I agree with the points about restructuring the bot lane. Adding competition between Ambition and a sub would be good and might have the same effect EG went through with Snoopeh / Shacker. I like Helios and Flame. They should keep their spots.

Looking forward to KTB / Frost. As much of a fan I am of Shy and Madlife, this is KTB's series to lose. I expect KTB to replicate a similar run compared to their Champions run against both CJ Entus teams. The "Trinity Affinity" meta should help Shy out cause he plays a lot of Jax which might throw a wrench into KTB's plans. But I honestly see KTB just going with the ban the two hook supports/X (first pick sona) strategy and outlane their Frost counterparts. The 4th-seed placement shouldn't be looked into so much because Insec did not play (Ssumday did instead and I think Insec's synergy with Kakao is just better). Heart = Frost, Mind = Bullets.

Well sumday made some big plays in game 1 playing jax with the two red steals and really paced his team to victory. It will be interesting to see if ktb keeps just trying to ban out mad life or try something new. Also it would be nice to see shy play something other then Shen tonight
Moar banelings less qq
bunberry
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia96 Posts
September 06 2013 06:59 GMT
#596
I wish Riot would change their bracket system for the world championships because due to their seeding system C9 will face a maximum of 3 teams... like wtf is that. And it's possible for them to lose in the first round of the play-offs like TSM during the S2WC which would mean only being able to face 1 team. I want to see how well C9 will do against the top teams from every region but with these terrible brackets it's going to be very unlikely.

However at least the brackets aren't as bad as the all-stars event where it was some kind of strange double elimination for the first round only with a random seed thrown in for SEA because TPA won S2 and where KOR had to play NA then CHN in the finals right after... now that was an abomination of a bracket if I'd ever seen one.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
September 06 2013 07:18 GMT
#597
On September 06 2013 15:43 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 13:08 JL13 wrote:
Does C9 discussion belong in Korea's Regional Finals? o_O

JBright hasn't made the S3 Worlds thread yet what a slacker

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 13:08 JL13 wrote:
Looking forward to KTB / Frost. As much of a fan I am of Shy and Madlife, this is KTB's series to lose. I expect KTB to replicate a similar run compared to their Champions run against both CJ Entus teams. The "Trinity Affinity" meta should help Shy out cause he plays a lot of Jax which might throw a wrench into KTB's plans. But I honestly see KTB just going with the ban the two hook supports/X (first pick sona) strategy and outlane their Frost counterparts. The 4th-seed placement shouldn't be looked into so much because Insec did not play (Ssumday did instead and I think Insec's synergy with Kakao is just better). Heart = Frost, Mind = Bullets.


I think its going to be a 3-1 Frost or 3-0 Bullets. Either Frost have figured out how to not automatically lose against any 'Z' champion, or they haven't. If Shy can get a good game going that turns into overall Frost win, then Insec can easily go on tilt and allow Shy to get out of control for the rest of the series.

On the other hand, Frost might just autolose.

I would expect zac and lee sin to be banned out by frost and frost can steal away zed or ban him ass well
Moar banelings less qq
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 06 2013 07:22 GMT
#598
On September 06 2013 15:59 bunberry wrote:
I wish Riot would change their bracket system for the world championships because due to their seeding system C9 will face a maximum of 3 teams... like wtf is that. And it's possible for them to lose in the first round of the play-offs like TSM during the S2WC which would mean only being able to face 1 team. I want to see how well C9 will do against the top teams from every region but with these terrible brackets it's going to be very unlikely.

However at least the brackets aren't as bad as the all-stars event where it was some kind of strange double elimination for the first round only with a random seed thrown in for SEA because TPA won S2 and where KOR had to play NA then CHN in the finals right after... now that was an abomination of a bracket if I'd ever seen one.


I actually liked the All Stars bracket. We got to see most regions face each other and in the end there was no doubt about the different "tiers" of All Star teams. Of course it's problematic to build such a bracket around an uneven numbers of teams (here 5), so I think their solution was pretty decent in the end.
bunberry
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia96 Posts
September 06 2013 07:36 GMT
#599
On September 06 2013 16:22 UmberBane wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 15:59 bunberry wrote:
I wish Riot would change their bracket system for the world championships because due to their seeding system C9 will face a maximum of 3 teams... like wtf is that. And it's possible for them to lose in the first round of the play-offs like TSM during the S2WC which would mean only being able to face 1 team. I want to see how well C9 will do against the top teams from every region but with these terrible brackets it's going to be very unlikely.

However at least the brackets aren't as bad as the all-stars event where it was some kind of strange double elimination for the first round only with a random seed thrown in for SEA because TPA won S2 and where KOR had to play NA then CHN in the finals right after... now that was an abomination of a bracket if I'd ever seen one.


I actually liked the All Stars bracket. We got to see most regions face each other and in the end there was no doubt about the different "tiers" of All Star teams. Of course it's problematic to build such a bracket around an uneven numbers of teams (here 5), so I think their solution was pretty decent in the end.

Hmm, yeah looking at it from that perspective, most regions were able to face each other and that's what fans want to see the most but SEA still got the short end of the stick where they were only able to play against CHN.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
September 06 2013 07:57 GMT
#600
I also like C9 and hope they do great at Worlds but IMO they're overrated, sure they completly stomped NA but TBH that'snot much of an accomplishment. They have 0 international experience...
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