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On February 09 2013 11:17 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:15 Redox wrote:On February 09 2013 11:13 OutlaW- wrote:On February 09 2013 11:11 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 09 2013 11:10 DragoonTT wrote:
I really doubt it's worth it to completely starve your top lane in favour of your AD carry. I know it is Hotshot's style to play a more supportive role, but with his items, he was a non-factor, CLG forced themselves to basically play 4v5 for a good fifteen minutes.
A Cho with some gold can at least stall Olaf's pushing and is far more effective at keeping the carry safe. But Hotshot died 1v1 to Olaf even after getting free attacks onto him for at least ten to fifteen seconds and was completely negligible in teamights. It is then-CLG.EUs dilemma all over again - do we starve our 2 and 3 positions in favour of the 1? What? All CLG.EU starved out was Snoopeh, Wickd was always good in farm, and largely carries from his position. Wickd is very bad, what are you talking about? He only plays Rumble and Malphite and still somehow manages to throw games by himself. He has good farm because he demands it but he doesn't always deserve it, taking more farm than Yellowpete when you're malphite is imo just bad. What a bad post, seriously. If you dont know anything about the players stop making such statements. Its funny cause I actually agree with him on most of his points. Wickd can only play Irelia effectively. Every other of his champions from his limited champion pool is trash tier. lol
So you agree Wickd is bad and can only play Rumble and Malphite, yet say he can only play Irelia? Whoa man, my brain hurts trying to make sense of this.
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On February 09 2013 11:17 discator wrote:
Can 400 CS vayne 1v1 olaf?
can any ADC 1v1 olaf?
I don't see why an ADC is supposed to be able to 1v1 Olaf but mainly Ezreal can 1v1 olaf near walls. Vayne can't against Oracle.
Yes I know your question is rhetoric as a response to that other dude who complained about DLift farming on an ADC.
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On February 09 2013 11:17 OutlaW- wrote:
Oh no I've insulted blindfolded fanboys. Wickd is terrible. Voyboy is much better. He's still better than Hotshot, I'll give you that.
I'm pretty sure I know more about EG than both of you, too.
Wickd is terrible... says the 1200 elo armchair coach.
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Why the fuck you arguing about Wickd?
EU LCS is other thread.
PS: wickd is not good
PPS: neither is voyboy
PPPS: "very bad" is an overstatement though, just overrated
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Wickd is terrible on anything that isn't an ad bruiser. Irelia/Renekton come to mind
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Again with the LeBlanc ban Oo
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I want to see reginald's LeBlanc so badly o.o
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On February 09 2013 11:19 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:17 SHr3DD3r wrote:On February 09 2013 11:15 Redox wrote:On February 09 2013 11:13 OutlaW- wrote:On February 09 2013 11:11 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 09 2013 11:10 DragoonTT wrote:
I really doubt it's worth it to completely starve your top lane in favour of your AD carry. I know it is Hotshot's style to play a more supportive role, but with his items, he was a non-factor, CLG forced themselves to basically play 4v5 for a good fifteen minutes.
A Cho with some gold can at least stall Olaf's pushing and is far more effective at keeping the carry safe. But Hotshot died 1v1 to Olaf even after getting free attacks onto him for at least ten to fifteen seconds and was completely negligible in teamights. It is then-CLG.EUs dilemma all over again - do we starve our 2 and 3 positions in favour of the 1? What? All CLG.EU starved out was Snoopeh, Wickd was always good in farm, and largely carries from his position. Wickd is very bad, what are you talking about? He only plays Rumble and Malphite and still somehow manages to throw games by himself. He has good farm because he demands it but he doesn't always deserve it, taking more farm than Yellowpete when you're malphite is imo just bad. What a bad post, seriously. If you dont know anything about the players stop making such statements. Its funny cause I actually agree with him on most of his points. Wickd can only play Irelia effectively. Every other of his champions from his limited champion pool is trash tier. lol So you agree Wickd is bad and can only play Rumble and Malphite, yet say he can only play Irelia? Whoa man, my brain hurts trying to make sense of this.
He said most - perhaps the thing he disagreed with was about the champions.
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On February 09 2013 11:19 KingJames wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:17 OutlaW- wrote:
Oh no I've insulted blindfolded fanboys. Wickd is terrible. Voyboy is much better. He's still better than Hotshot, I'll give you that.
I'm pretty sure I know more about EG than both of you, too. Wickd is terrible... says the 1200 elo armchair coach.
okay
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Now Im really curious as to how good Regi's Leblanc is after seing it banned every game vs them
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On February 09 2013 11:17 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:15 Redox wrote:On February 09 2013 11:13 OutlaW- wrote:On February 09 2013 11:11 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 09 2013 11:10 DragoonTT wrote:
I really doubt it's worth it to completely starve your top lane in favour of your AD carry. I know it is Hotshot's style to play a more supportive role, but with his items, he was a non-factor, CLG forced themselves to basically play 4v5 for a good fifteen minutes.
A Cho with some gold can at least stall Olaf's pushing and is far more effective at keeping the carry safe. But Hotshot died 1v1 to Olaf even after getting free attacks onto him for at least ten to fifteen seconds and was completely negligible in teamights. It is then-CLG.EUs dilemma all over again - do we starve our 2 and 3 positions in favour of the 1? What? All CLG.EU starved out was Snoopeh, Wickd was always good in farm, and largely carries from his position. Wickd is very bad, what are you talking about? He only plays Rumble and Malphite and still somehow manages to throw games by himself. He has good farm because he demands it but he doesn't always deserve it, taking more farm than Yellowpete when you're malphite is imo just bad. What a bad post, seriously. If you dont know anything about the players stop making such statements. Its funny cause I actually agree with him on most of his points. Wickd can only play Irelia effectively. Every other of his champions from his limited champion pool is trash tier. lol
Holy shit. The 2 champions he mentioned that Wickd "only" plays, are not even in his top 10. Seriously guys.
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Kog'Maw outscales Caitlyn anyway and Cop wasn't very far behind Dlift in gold because of kills. Even if CLG could've stalled that, it wouldn't have mattered.
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Respect ban against Oddone? Anyone still respecting Oddone? ;P
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On February 09 2013 11:17 OutlaW- wrote:
Oh no I've insulted blindfolded fanboys. Wickd is terrible. Voyboy is much better. He's still better than Hotshot, I'll give you that.
I'm pretty sure I know more about EG than both of you, too.
Wickd might look worse because he plays vs better tops on a regular basis, but if he played the NA teams he'd look a lot better. He doesn't have great champion diversity, but is solid on all of his picks, and because he has Froggen on his team, he won't get banned out because you can't give Froggen access to his best champions without losing because of it. I'm not praising Wickd as S-level top laner, but on his comfortable champions he can hang with the best.
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On February 09 2013 11:13 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:10 overt wrote:On February 09 2013 11:08 Zdrastochye wrote:On February 09 2013 11:06 wei2coolman wrote:On February 09 2013 11:03 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I believe Curse 2013. Despite Cop being behind Doublelift literally the entire game, Voy and Saint too strong. It's a result of different gameplay. Curse is far more mid/top centric carry than CLG is. So they'll be more likely to toss voyman into a lane that's pushing, than they are to send Cop. It's the same reason why Froggen always ends up with like 500 farm at like 30minutes, and yellowpete has like 20 farm at 30 minutes. Don't forget you could swap Froggen with Alex Ich and Yellowpete with Genja and you've described GG quite clearly. It's not a bad strategy. It's hardly a team strategy that they're doing simply based off team strategies. They're playing around their weakest players and to their strongest players. It's hardly a compliment to yellowpete/Cop to say, "well their team prioritizes their better players first." I don't think Curse does this. I think they have a normal distribution honestly, it's CLG that favours double before everyone else so comparing Cops farm to Doubles without taking that into account is a bit misleading.
Curse definitely prioritizes Voyboy since they picked him up. They send him to split and soak up farm and let him make plays. I think they tend to give Nyjacky farm more than Cop as well. It isn't as pronounced as EG but it definitely happens.
On February 09 2013 11:14 TheYango wrote:
CLG benches jiji, and gets Link. Link plays worse than jiji.
Link's lane phase is way better. He creates pressure and isn't afraid to roam and gank. In his TF game yesterday his roaming/ganking was pretty poor though. And his team fighting as both TF and Anivia was pretty shitty. In fact, his Anivia is just awful. He needs to practice it more or else not pick it. His Syndra was incredibly solid though.
I think a blanket statement of, "Link is worse than jiji," isn't very fair. jiji and Link have very different strengths and weaknesses and we don't know if Link can adapt and learn to improve on his weaknesses yet or not (but we do know that jiji has a hard time improving on the things he does poorly).
Although I wouldn't complain if CLG benched Link and brought jiji back. I love me some jiji.
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On February 09 2013 11:19 KingJames wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:17 OutlaW- wrote:
Oh no I've insulted blindfolded fanboys. Wickd is terrible. Voyboy is much better. He's still better than Hotshot, I'll give you that.
I'm pretty sure I know more about EG than both of you, too. Wickd is terrible... says the 1200 elo armchair coach.
Pretty sure he was 2000+ the last time I checked and gets matched with Wickd.
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When did Regi pick up Leblanc? I don't think I have ever seen him play her.
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qtpie looks like a hamster or something
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On February 09 2013 11:22 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 11:17 OutlaW- wrote:
Oh no I've insulted blindfolded fanboys. Wickd is terrible. Voyboy is much better. He's still better than Hotshot, I'll give you that.
I'm pretty sure I know more about EG than both of you, too. Wickd might look worse because he plays vs better tops on a regular basis, but if he played the NA teams he'd look a lot better. He doesn't have great champion diversity, but is solid on all of his picks, and because he has Froggen on his team, he won't get banned out because you can't give Froggen access to his best champions without losing because of it. I'm not praising Wickd as S-level top laner, but on his comfortable champions he can hang with the best.
I will give you that, too. He's being compared to a much higher standard. But he's nowhere near Voyboy.
He's the type of player that doesn't make flashy plays but does his job, without the feeding of Hotshot. I've seen him throw games by stupid decisions, though.
Meh. Maybe. We can continue this discussion tomorrow and in 2 days, but from what I've seen his stream, he was losing lane to solo queuers. I know he does better in team environments but seeing Voy's dominance over the NA scene right now made me exaggerate a little when you compare him to Wickd, about who I'm having very mixed feelings about recently.
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It's all mindgames. All the teams agreed to ban regi's leblanc so that he thinks ppl fear it, then when TSM has to play up/down they leave it open and TSm is out of LCS.
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