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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:20 mr_tolkien wrote: Well we'll continue discuting it, and have a clear first post with important info would be clearer for anyboy arriving in this shitstorm. I could compile a post of info for someone to edit into the first post | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:20 mr_tolkien wrote: Well we'll continue discuting it, and have a clear first post with important info would be clearer for anyboy arriving in this shitstorm. But what is "important info?" There are like a dozen different stories going around, each with a slightly different interpretation of what actually happened and whose fault it was. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
Raleigh had terrible turnout and was a completely lackluster event, but it getting big notice now. No press is bad press, right? I wonder what happens when everyone actually wakes up Monday morning. | ||
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Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:06 Cubu wrote: But what if it was competitive? Is it the team's fault? For being competitive? I'm not saying you are wrong about the not taking it seriously part, but you can't conclude that it is a bad decision on their part if you can't conclude whether or not it was competitive. As for entertainment, i think that is really in the grey zone. Several times during the game Dig and Curse over extended and tower dived both outer and inner turrets to get kills. Dig could've even closed out the game much quicker in the ARAM by killing the towers but the players played with reckless abandonment and used all their summoners on cooldown sometimes with no other purpose than using them. It was a very cheap ARAM experience. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + First dignitas and Curse play ARAM in Game 1 of the finals. During this rumors go around about possibly them agreeing to split the prize money for the finals. After the finals MLG announces that Curse and Dignitas were DQd for "collusion". Prize money would not be given nor would circuit points. Source: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/an-important-message-regarding-mlg-summer-championship-league-of-legends/ MLG employees Adam and Lee tweet on the situation: Adam says they didn't know until after the ARAM, then investigated. Lee says it is exactly the same as the Smash incident years back when there was prize splitting. Lee and Adam also say it was done in public and they have witnesses to the collusion. Lee says they discussed with Riot and Riot agreed with their decision Adam says the prize money will go to teams who finished 3rd-6th. Lee says they waited due to them investigating, not wanting to stop the finals for something that was potentially false. Lee states that they matchfixed by prize splitting. Redbeard (Someone from Riot) comments saying they (the teams) agreed beforehand to who would win. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=28677156#post28677156 Curse posts video apologizing for the ARAM, but nothing else. Curse's Elementz also apologizes for the ARAM in an interview http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/elementz-from-curse-apologizes-for-the-aram-6393266/ Curse's CEO says on stream they didn't rig games and will announce something shortly (No real pics for this one sorry :/) | ||
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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:05 Dan HH wrote: It just shouldn't get to the point where the grand final of a major tournament is meaningless for the players. Either don't invite the teams that don't need to give 100% or just don't hold the tournament one week before the regionals. I distinctly remember Scarra saying this tournament was a joke because no one will show any strategies, if that's not a red flag then I don't know what is. I hope the Season 3 format will be better planned. Look at SC2 players they have foreign tournaments to deal with and stuff in korea and they manage. Cant have perfect scheduling for everything. If any tournament is meaningless to a team then gtfo of the scene as you end up doing something stupid like this and screwing up your scene and the esports scene in general. As for the strategies its call make some new ones that you'll use in MLG so you wont have to use a stupid excuse like that. You hear it in every other game but they atleast have a different strat they can use instead so they dont reveal any plans. Alot of korean SC2 players playing in very important matches in korea within the next 2 days and they played their hearts out to win. If they revealed some builds who cares they'll go back and quickly think of some new ones to possibly use and thats that. The teams should have just declined the invitation if they didnt care about the results. It's what would happen if they were "professional". Rather not have teams like that tarnish esports as a whole for that. (as the scene is still fragile, growing and getting some media attention now) Hope the rest of your teams learn from this and step it up. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
I'm glad that I didn't buy the ticket for HD; if I paid money to watch these teams play and they are not taking the competition seriously (even for 1 game) then it'd be a waste of my money. If this happened in Starcraft 2 I would be furious as a paying customer, not unlike the Naniwa situation. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:56 Slaughter wrote: Seems weird people keep saying that they had arranged Curse winning? Then why would Dig have won the first game where they were supposedly throwing before mlg intervention? Well if MLG stepped in and they played seriously from that point on then that point is moot. Maybe dig was supposed to win but MLG stepped in and the better team won as a result. Either way the whole matchfixing is speculation anyway right now without an official statement with details. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 27 2012 13:57 Lunareste wrote: I just got home from work and was wondering who had won the MLG and saw this controversy about the ARAM.. I'm glad that I didn't buy the ticket for HD; if I paid money to watch these teams play and they are not taking the competition seriously (even for 1 game) then it'd be a waste of my money. If this happened in Starcraft 2 I would be furious as a paying customer, not unlike the Naniwa situation. It was actually a very entertaining series imo. Curse played real well in the last 3. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:00 Femari wrote: Well if MLG stepped in and they played seriously from that point on then that point is moot. Maybe dig was supposed to win but MLG stepped in and the better team won as a result. Either way the whole matchfixing is speculation anyway right now without an official statement with details. Doesn't make sense. ARAM is very unpredictable and to "fix" the games they would of had to start doing a lot of obvious throws. Like if Dig had lost game 1 it would have to have been via a very obvious throw due to the vast superiority of their team which was determined randomly. The inherent unpredictability of ARAM makes fixing the outcome harder then normal. You can throw games in normal mode easier. I don't think the players would agree to throw if they had to make it so obvious they would get caught. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:02 Slaughter wrote: Doesn't make sense. ARAM is very unpredictable and to "fix" the games they would of had to start doing a lot of obvious throws. Like if Dig had lost game 1 it would have to have been via a very obvious throw due to the vast superiority of their team which was determined randomly. I don't think the players would agree to throw if they had to make it so obvious they would get caught. True but I don't think that the victor was pre-determined anyway. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Yes there was money involved, but not enough to offset the risk it could pose for their real goal - s2. Ofc if actual match fixing went on (idgaf bout prize splitting), then yeah, rain down hell upon them. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:18 NEOtheONE wrote: I don't think MLG has grounds for the DQ. As long as neither Curse nor Dignitas lost intentionally there is no match fixing. I wonder if this is going to end up blowing up in MLG's face or if somehow it is "proved" that Curse or Dignitas did "throw" the match. They probably have either a clause, or a technicality that they can get them on for prize splitting. Though the technicality I'm not sure on. In the MLG rules it says prizes are "non-transferable" and well that's vague for me as to what they mean with it. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:16 Dgiese wrote: It's funny how apt the comparison to things like the nfl is. Ppl saying all hell would break lose if they did that... Except in cases like the pro bowl (which is a perfect analogy). . Pro bowl isn't a good analogy cause all star games are exhibitions for the fans and not real games to be taken seriously. Except MLB who made it so the winning all star team gets home field advantage for their league in the world series. However, NHL, NBA and NFL games are all non serious games. The LoL game was a serious tourney and was not a showmatch, which all star games are. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Again, Elementz apologizing for the ARAM. Match fixing or pot splitting was not brought up. So what did MLG actually dq these 2 teams for? It obviously wasn't the ARAM so was it pot splitting or match fixing? They seemed to be really vague about that and it's making me very pissed at MLG. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:22 HazMat wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/elementz-from-curse-apologizes-for-the-aram-6393266/ Again, Elementz apologizing for the ARAM. Match fixing or pot splitting was not brought up. So what did MLG actually dq these 2 teams for? It obviously wasn't the ARAM so was it pot splitting or match fixing? They seemed to be really vague about that and it's making me very pissed at MLG. It looks like pot splitting. But one Riot person said match fixing as in determining a winner beforehand. Lee says pot splitting is match fixing but I dunno. We need statements. | ||
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