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Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
August 27 2012 05:26 GMT
#2041
This collection of tweets summarizes it best:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/yvl59/curse_and_dignitas_disqualified_from_mlg/c5z7d7k


TWEETS ABOUT THE INCIDENT FROM SOME MLG STAFF
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
We had them play it out because we did not know what the decision was until we gathered all of the evidence.
.
CLG_L1Nk115 ‏@L1nk115
dignitas didn't reveal their whole strats imo, but curse definitely revealed a lot of stuff.... sad tourney rofl
.
MonteCristo ‏@ggCMonteCristo
No one should be surprised by the decision made by MLG and Riot. eSports needs professionalism to move forward.
.
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
The collusion was planned and discussed in a public, crowded setting. The entire venue was aware of it. Not happy to be in this position.
.
Lee Chen ‏@MLGLee
*To be clear here folks, the Collusion had nothing to do with the ARAM. CRS/DIG conspired to split prize money. http://mlg.to/SFulSk *
.
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
MLG will award the full prize money ($40,000) to teams ranked 3, 4, 5, 6.
.
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
@ChaosCrazed Witnesses and the teams confirmed when confronted.
Bevan
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada90 Posts
August 27 2012 05:26 GMT
#2042
On August 27 2012 14:22 HazMat wrote:
http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/elementz-from-curse-apologizes-for-the-aram-6393266/

Again, Elementz apologizing for the ARAM. Match fixing or pot splitting was not brought up.

So what did MLG actually dq these 2 teams for? It obviously wasn't the ARAM so was it pot splitting or match fixing? They seemed to be really vague about that and it's making me very pissed at MLG.


The first comment on that specifies that it was from before they were disqualified and was purely about the ARAM.
Highwayman
Profile Joined March 2010
United States181 Posts
August 27 2012 05:30 GMT
#2043
Match fixing is EXTREMELY unlikely. I don't see how that could be even considered. Upon thinking about it more I honestly don't think they would split the pot either and I think there has to be some misinformation that was given or somebody stretching the truth especially considering all the conflicting information that has been given. For them to split the pot the team management would have needed to be involved, and it just seems highly unlikely honestly. I think the ARAM just pissed a lot of people off to the point where assumptions were made and it forced a quick reaction by MLG based upon incomplete information. It honestly just makes no sense for them to split the pot AND agree to play an ARAM. I can see one or the other, but not both.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 27 2012 05:31 GMT
#2044
On August 27 2012 14:26 Kambing wrote:
This collection of tweets summarizes it best:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/yvl59/curse_and_dignitas_disqualified_from_mlg/c5z7d7k

Show nested quote +

TWEETS ABOUT THE INCIDENT FROM SOME MLG STAFF
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
We had them play it out because we did not know what the decision was until we gathered all of the evidence.
.
CLG_L1Nk115 ‏@L1nk115
dignitas didn't reveal their whole strats imo, but curse definitely revealed a lot of stuff.... sad tourney rofl
.
MonteCristo ‏@ggCMonteCristo
No one should be surprised by the decision made by MLG and Riot. eSports needs professionalism to move forward.
.
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
The collusion was planned and discussed in a public, crowded setting. The entire venue was aware of it. Not happy to be in this position.
.
Lee Chen ‏@MLGLee
*To be clear here folks, the Collusion had nothing to do with the ARAM. CRS/DIG conspired to split prize money. http://mlg.to/SFulSk *
.
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
MLG will award the full prize money ($40,000) to teams ranked 3, 4, 5, 6.
.
Adam Apicella ‏@MrMLGAdam
@ChaosCrazed Witnesses and the teams confirmed when confronted.


Well two of those can be removed since they're just opinions on things, I think the MLG ones are most important.

Also how the hell do you sign up for LoL?

I've been trying to find a sign up link on their main NA page forever T.T
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
August 27 2012 05:33 GMT
#2045
Yeah I just copied and pasted verbatim. This is the most concise summary that I found after hearing that something went down at the finals.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 27 2012 05:33 GMT
#2046
Click the red PLAY FOR FREE button .
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 05:37:27
August 27 2012 05:34 GMT
#2047
On August 27 2012 14:33 HazMat wrote:
Click the red PLAY FOR FREE button .


Didn't scroll down all the way and missed the thing at the top.

Oh god.

You get a referral though.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
August 27 2012 05:51 GMT
#2048
Please ban these players for life. Honestly so disgusting. You're expected to play every game your hardest, a die standing than live on your knees mentality. I don't know how you can be a pro gamer and then do this.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9246 Posts
August 27 2012 05:59 GMT
#2049


Curse is denying the collusion accusations.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 06:13:27
August 27 2012 06:06 GMT
#2050
On August 27 2012 14:51 Supert0fu wrote:
Please ban these players for life. Honestly so disgusting. You're expected to play every game your hardest, a die standing than live on your knees mentality. I don't know how you can be a pro gamer and then do this.


Little extreme there.

So far I think its just a case of MLG sending out a reminder to players in the future for the sake of professionalism and that potential pot sharing is not cool with them.

I do not think they tried to match fix. I think they did what curse just said in that video: They agreed to an ARAM game to change things up and for funsies for game 1. Pot sharing is also possible. For these two breaking of the rules (and potential breaking in the case of the latter) the sanctions imposed is fine. I very much do not believe they were doing anything of a sinister nature (throwing games for a predetermined winner) so the matter imo should end and no further punishment should be issued unless they were in fact fixing the finals.
Never Knows Best.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 27 2012 06:09 GMT
#2051
On August 27 2012 14:51 Supert0fu wrote:
Please ban these players for life. Honestly so disgusting. You're expected to play every game your hardest, a die standing than live on your knees mentality. I don't know how you can be a pro gamer and then do this.


This is a one off event in which they both apparently apologized immediately and had no malicious intent whatsoever. Your idea is extreme.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 27 2012 06:12 GMT
#2052
--- Nuked ---
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 27 2012 06:13 GMT
#2053
On August 27 2012 15:12 zeru wrote:
How can people say life time ban is extreme, do you not remember the brood war match fixing, yeah it was larger scale, but come on, its match fixing.

What sAviOr did is unforgivable and he had such malicious intent that was crazy.

Comparing this to that is stupid.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
August 27 2012 06:13 GMT
#2054
This is just insane, I want -hard- evidence. I don't want some joke tweets I want someone with a audio or video recording saying "Here it is the smoking gun". I am sorry but I don't see Dignitas trying to matchfix and throw games. Dignitas has always been a fairly serious team, lead by a pretty serious CEO who will strait up bring the hammer of Thor down on anyone who messes with the image of Team Dignitas has he not? So why would they risk that kind of hammerfall?

At least Curse you can kind of make a case that they might do something but it's shaky ground at best.

As far as I am concerned the ARAM game was funny, it was entertaining and everyone seemed to enjoy it because the game didn't matter. The game didn't matter. It was a throw away game and both teams agreed on doing it. MLG isn't that blind so I am pretty sure someone on that end knew it as well.

Until I see some hard proof someone needs to buy Curse a trophy because they earned it.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 27 2012 06:14 GMT
#2055
On August 27 2012 15:12 zeru wrote:
How can people say life time ban is extreme, do you not remember the brood war match fixing, yeah it was larger scale, but come on, its match fixing.


What? Your info is a bit off. Pot sharing does NOT equal match fixing. There is no evidence that they attempted to or succeeded in fixing the finals.
Never Knows Best.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 27 2012 06:15 GMT
#2056
On August 27 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 15:12 zeru wrote:
How can people say life time ban is extreme, do you not remember the brood war match fixing, yeah it was larger scale, but come on, its match fixing.

What sAviOr did is unforgivable and he had such malicious intent that was crazy.

Comparing this to that is stupid.

It's actually insulting. What happened with Savior was a scandal that shook Esports forever. This is just a huge misunderstanding that hasn't even been settled yet. Right now what's confirmed is that these 2 teams decided to play an ARAM match, nothing more.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
August 27 2012 06:25 GMT
#2057
On August 27 2012 15:13 Parnage wrote:
This is just insane, I want -hard- evidence. I don't want some joke tweets I want someone with a audio or video recording saying "Here it is the smoking gun". I am sorry but I don't see Dignitas trying to matchfix and throw games. Dignitas has always been a fairly serious team, lead by a pretty serious CEO who will strait up bring the hammer of Thor down on anyone who messes with the image of Team Dignitas has he not? So why would they risk that kind of hammerfall?

At least Curse you can kind of make a case that they might do something but it's shaky ground at best.

As far as I am concerned the ARAM game was funny, it was entertaining and everyone seemed to enjoy it because the game didn't matter. The game didn't matter. It was a throw away game and both teams agreed on doing it. MLG isn't that blind so I am pretty sure someone on that end knew it as well.

Until I see some hard proof someone needs to buy Curse a trophy because they earned it.


How did the game not matter? It was part of the grand final of a big LAN event, with a big prize-pool at stake. Hundreds of people bought tickets to watch it live, and probably thousands paid to watch it online.

If they had agreed to have a show match ARAM before the final series, that seems perfectly fine. But playing it as part of the series makes a mockery of the tournament and is essentially taunting the crowd.
I am the Town Medic.
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
August 27 2012 06:27 GMT
#2058
On August 27 2012 15:13 Parnage wrote:
This is just insane, I want -hard- evidence. I don't want some joke tweets I want someone with a audio or video recording saying "Here it is the smoking gun". I am sorry but I don't see Dignitas trying to matchfix and throw games. Dignitas has always been a fairly serious team, lead by a pretty serious CEO who will strait up bring the hammer of Thor down on anyone who messes with the image of Team Dignitas has he not? So why would they risk that kind of hammerfall?

At least Curse you can kind of make a case that they might do something but it's shaky ground at best.

As far as I am concerned the ARAM game was funny, it was entertaining and everyone seemed to enjoy it because the game didn't matter. The game didn't matter. It was a throw away game and both teams agreed on doing it. MLG isn't that blind so I am pretty sure someone on that end knew it as well.

Until I see some hard proof someone needs to buy Curse a trophy because they earned it.


I don't quite understand how:

(1) Tweets from MLG officials outlining the situation --- in particular confronting the teams and their admission of guilt.
(2) Official statement from MLG describing the situation and the outcome.
(3) Posts on the LoL board by Redbeard explaining the situation on the Riot end.
(4) Public video apology by Curse.

Is not enough evidence to convince you (or others that seem to be unconvinced).
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 27 2012 06:27 GMT
#2059
I was one of those that was mad at the players for the ARAM and wanted consequences for it. But even I think this reaction by MLG is over the top. There was obviously no malicious intent by the 2 teams, just stupidity.
Imo MLG should have nullified the result of the ARAM and have the players play that game for real. And maybe they should have withheld a portion of the prize money, like 10%. That would have been enough as a warning for any other team to not repeat this.

Apart from that, the games did not look like matchfixing, as in predetermining the winner, at all. If both teams had not tried to win, they would not have played so extremely cautios (even timid sometimes), timed buffs so well, would have picked more wildly etc. We have seen nonserious games before, and that was not it.
Off-season = best season
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 06:30:52
August 27 2012 06:29 GMT
#2060
On August 27 2012 15:25 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 15:13 Parnage wrote:
This is just insane, I want -hard- evidence. I don't want some joke tweets I want someone with a audio or video recording saying "Here it is the smoking gun". I am sorry but I don't see Dignitas trying to matchfix and throw games. Dignitas has always been a fairly serious team, lead by a pretty serious CEO who will strait up bring the hammer of Thor down on anyone who messes with the image of Team Dignitas has he not? So why would they risk that kind of hammerfall?

At least Curse you can kind of make a case that they might do something but it's shaky ground at best.

As far as I am concerned the ARAM game was funny, it was entertaining and everyone seemed to enjoy it because the game didn't matter. The game didn't matter. It was a throw away game and both teams agreed on doing it. MLG isn't that blind so I am pretty sure someone on that end knew it as well.

Until I see some hard proof someone needs to buy Curse a trophy because they earned it.


How did the game not matter? It was part of the grand final of a big LAN event, with a big prize-pool at stake. Hundreds of people bought tickets to watch it live, and probably thousands paid to watch it online.

If they had agreed to have a show match ARAM before the final series, that seems perfectly fine. But playing it as part of the series makes a mockery of the tournament and is essentially taunting the crowd.


Next week is a qualifier for a tournament with a $3 million prize pool. This tournament was like $2,000 dollars for first? And there was zero chance either team would not make it to regional qualifiers regardless of the outcome.

The money they made at MLG likely could've been made as a team by streaming Friday-Sunday in their homes. Especially after you consider the cost of travel and expenses while there.

edit:
Curse has already denied the allegations. Redbeard claims there was match fixing. MLG claims the teams were conspiring to share the prize pool. We've heard two different stories from the same side. Anyone who believes anything 100% right now is jumping the gun.
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