[Discussion] Season 2 Masteries - Page 3

Some possible mastery setups for those toss-up champs:

Jarvan - 21/9/0, 9/21/0, 0/21/9, 9/12/9... He likes doing damage, but he likes being tanky...WUT DO I DO???

Maokai - 9/12/9, 9/21/0, or 0/21/9. % MPen and Runic Affinity are both good goals in the offense/util trees, but Juggernaut also feels like it's great with his kit.

Nunu - 0/9/21, or 0/15/15. Nunu feels like one of the few junglers that might actually want to stick to 21-util, given his support-ish kit, and how those extra smites can be pretty crucial for him. The deeper defense masteries don't feel that good for his role as a defensive support lategame (esp. given his low farm), but being able to romp around their jungle with 4-pt Swiftness + 3-pt Initiator feels like it could be good.

Skarner - 14/15/1, 14/9/7 9/21/0, or 0/21/9. You don't need Lethality, Vampirism, Sunder, or Executioner, but both Alacrity and Sorcery give you stats you want, and getting both %-pen masteries on a hybrid-damage champ that won't usually get LW or Void feels like it goes a long way. With the other 16 points, you could either dump them all in defense, or you split 9 in defense for Bladed Armor + 7 in util for Meditation.

Udyr - 15/14/1, 9/21/0, or 0/21/9. Same deal as Skarner in a lot of ways. He doesn't have mana problems though, so no real point in going 7 util.

Warwick - 21/9/0, 9/21/0, 0/21/9, 9/9/12, 9/12/9... Ok I have no clue what the fuck to do with Warwick. The only thing I feel is really clear-cut at this point is "pick 2 out of Arcane Knowledge, Bladed Armor, and Runic Affinity, and do whatever the fuck you want with the other 12 points".

First and foremost I have already had the privilege to fool around with the new masteries months ago so I can already tell you that it's a very wonderful thing. I can also say the jungle remake will make a bigger impact than the masteries.

To be perfectly honest though I did not get to test out the supposed experience boost but since this is a tournament patch I doubt they want to affect the current meta too much.

In any case, I've already tested out certain builds and certain paths and your build freedom is a lot greater and epic. The 8 mandatory points in utility was very restricting and you end up sinking 9 since where else is that last point going to go?

The new masteries will cause two different versions of many junglers. I dubbed them the "Focus" and "Transition" builds. There are certain mastery combinations that were simply godly for junglers but I would reason they would miss out a lot of the awesome higher tier tree points.

I'm sure some of you have already taken a gander at the masteries and gone "oh wow all these jungle masteries sound so cool" and you're right. Some junglers make incredible use of some or all of those and that is their "Focus" build. During my testing of these things I argued that despite them wanting to make jungling less strict on your masteries it's not going to happen completely. I mean, there will always be a standard or there will always be a "best" build. However, this is where "Transition" builds came into place. I figure most jungler types will require/need some sort of mastery requirement (like a minimum of X masteries) and then fill whatever they want.

In Short ----

Focus Build = Maxed out Jungle Prowess for X champion (masteries and runes dedicated to giving a champion his strongest jungle possible)
Transition Build = A minimum rune and mastery build that fits a champion's real/best build in order to make transitioning as smooth as possible

This already does happen btw just the gap will be a lot more noticeable with the mastery changes. The balance is going to be important and it will diversify jungling.

Some people may ask - why even bother with focus builds if the jungle phase doesn't last forever? Well think of it this way. Are you using someone like Nunu/Skarner (a strong control jungler) vs a gank heavy champion like Nocturne that will have a worse transition if shut down than you? This too already exists where some junglers are given the job to simply terrorize the enemy jungler and keep him down to support his team indirectly. A focus build would boost your jungle and possibly allow you to abuse non control junglers.

This is a buff to control junglers in my opinion. Also Amumu freaking loves these changes.

So basically - I haven't seen the experience changes and if the experience mastery loss has been balanced out - this is only going to buff junglers and make transitioning less awful.

Also - I am fully aware that I have to remake a lot of my jungle videos. I will focus on remaking the popular junglers first and then move on to requests that you can message me about in either my youtube channel or my twitter . I myself want to see just how Trundle and Jarvan work out with the new masteries. The current jungle I videos will still have relevant paths and it is very likely they've only been made stronger with OBVIOUS choices. I will NOT deleted. They will be archived for the enjoyment of the masses and as sort of history thing.

I will either name all the jungle videos something else like "NEW JUNGLE NOCTURNE" or simply go back and rename all the jungle videos adding "OLD" or "OBSOLETE" while changing their tags so they don't pop out in search over the new jungle videos.

As far as my tier list goes - I don't foresee much change between the junglers there. If the paths stay the same and the general strength level doesn't deviate too much - the positions likely won't be affected much. That being said, I will personally test a lot of champions out and evaluate them there. I may end up adding another aspect score such as "Transitioning" with it's own specifications for grades.

In any case - new changes to the game are always exciting and I do hope - especially with the jungle remake - that if it really doesn't go down well, Riot simply goes back to the old ways and doesn't force us to accept stuff we aren't too fond of.

Also Lee Sin is freaking strong with these masteries.

Every jungler may now have either 2 separate videos (or one big one) separating the Focus and Transition build jungles. The Focus build will have mostly strict masteries while the Transition builds will have a minimum mastery tree as well as the "bonus" points they get such as if Warwick needs only 10/6/0 to jungle that would mean he has 14 bonus points to jungle.

Example - Transition Jungle Warwick

Runes
Fus Red
Ro Yellow
Dah Blues
Skyrim Quints

Masteries
10/6/0 + 14

So I hope I don't get questions about how this works in my videos. Some champions are now able to jungle using strict Focus builds such as Irelia and Renekton. I mean they can jungle now but this time they won't fuck themselves extremely hard.