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CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
February 22 2012 22:26 GMT
#61
seems like nobody here builds rabbadons on cassio O_o
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InvaderUK
Profile Joined January 2011
225 Posts
February 22 2012 23:11 GMT
#62
Deathcap is pretty good but defensive items are better for teamfighting if you are behind as your base damage is so high anyway.
patriarch of the church of howard. may maokai smile upon you.
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 09:13:32
February 23 2012 09:13 GMT
#63
IMO cass is really versatile with what she builds. Any good AP item is good on her, because she is just so good.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 23 2012 09:29 GMT
#64
Cassio isn't much of a burst damage so much as sustained damage. That's why Wota for healing through the sustain and Rylai's for survivability and kiting are typical on her. She doesn't really need a deathcap as her damage comes more from a ton of spells being slammed into your face rather than high ap ratios doing damage in an instant. Kind of like Ryze, in that sense.
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STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
February 25 2012 22:09 GMT
#65
Hi im a Karthus player, and i find cass very dificult to master, i can land my qs almost all the time, but the qs have such long CD and i find it very hard to kite in teamfights, any help?
InvaderUK
Profile Joined January 2011
225 Posts
February 26 2012 17:53 GMT
#66
Cass isn't about kiting in teamfights but relying on your E to do massive amounts of damage and spellvamping your health back. Just don't be in a bad position to start with and you can get a good ult off hopefuly.

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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
February 26 2012 20:33 GMT
#67
You should still be moving inbetween E casts either to chase someone down or to get away from someone. If you are not afraid of getting killed, you can move closer, since that increases your dps. You pretty much always have a reason to move around.


Been trying Cassio bottom with Soraka recently. Works quite well for the lane, but you gotta be careful against jungle ganks, since you don't have a reliable escape
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
February 27 2012 00:47 GMT
#68
Ward? Ive just had a game where the enemy rammus was retarded and i put my W right on top of me so that when he knocks me he gets slowed. then i just EEEEEE and kite(my laning opponent was vlad, so not much burst or ranged cc)
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 15:56:08
February 27 2012 15:52 GMT
#69
Basic premise of Cassio:

Build a revolver/wota and enough defenses to not be gibbed. This can mean 2 rings -> Wota -> Deathcap, or it can mean Merc Threads + Belt (Rylai) + SV / Negatron (Abyssal) + Chain Vest if their team dives you every single fight. As long as you stay alive you WILL be a threat in the game, especially with the wota aura for your team. This is very different from most APs, where if they don't build a chunk of AP (especially Deathcap) they can be ignored by the other team.

Obviously, how tanky you have to build is the tricky part, given how unreliable solo queuers can be. But this is why Cassio builds are all over the place.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 27 2012 16:49 GMT
#70
God Cass is so FUN. Probably the most fun champ I have atm.
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 18:35:56
March 08 2012 18:34 GMT
#71
So I got my ass handed to me by Lux w/ Cass twice in the past week. Does anybody else have problems in the m/u? Should I have bought chalice to just farm and try to out scale her mid game? I went Doran's ring first game and second game I went boots and 3 pots, but I just couldn't kill her, and when I tried I got ganked or just strait up lost because I wasn't in range to ignite for the trade.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 08 2012 18:48 GMT
#72
On February 28 2012 00:52 Sandster wrote:
Basic premise of Cassio:

Build a revolver/wota and enough defenses to not be gibbed. This can mean 2 rings -> Wota -> Deathcap, or it can mean Merc Threads + Belt (Rylai) + SV / Negatron (Abyssal) + Chain Vest if their team dives you every single fight. As long as you stay alive you WILL be a threat in the game, especially with the wota aura for your team. This is very different from most APs, where if they don't build a chunk of AP (especially Deathcap) they can be ignored by the other team.

Obviously, how tanky you have to build is the tricky part, given how unreliable solo queuers can be. But this is why Cassio builds are all over the place.

On the note of builds, at IEM Oce built her mainly Rylais into Deathcap/defensive AP items, and didn't go for WotA.

I'm merely specualting, but maybe he wants to be less blue-dependant. Or he wanted better teamfight-survivability. I just found this interesting.
And it reminded me of the good old times when i thought spellvamp was bad on Cass because she has 3 AoE spells. ololol
On March 09 2012 03:34 Sabin010 wrote:
So I got my ass handed to me by Lux w/ Cass twice in the past week. Does anybody else have problems in the m/u? Should I have bought chalice to just farm and try to out scale her mid game? I went Doran's ring first game and second game I went boots and 3 pots, but I just couldn't kill her, and when I tried I got ganked or just strait up lost because I wasn't in range to ignite for the trade.

You should win against Lux, imo.
I only remember playing that matchup once (nobody uses Lux anymore QQ), and I opened boots+pots against her DRing. 3/0 in 8-ish minutes.

Generally, you want to open boots against Lux, on any champ. (imo you should always buy boots mid, too)
If you trade her with Cass and hit your Q, it should be impossible for her to hit you with any skills, ever. Maybe the Lux you played against was worlds better than you, but I can't really imagine HOW Lux wants to beat Cass.
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 08 2012 18:58 GMT
#73
In both instances at level 1 I was just getting hit by her orb before getting in range to q. There was no way to trade with out me standing in front of my minions. When I tried that it was root, pop, hello xin, awe I'm dead.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 08 2012 19:23 GMT
#74
u should be able to dodge max range E's (if ur out of ur range of ur q's this is the case)
nothing much else to really say
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Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#75
I just compared the two moves on the wiki Cass Q and Lux E. Lux has a radius equal to the diameter of ~3 Cass q's where she can hurt you and slow you so you won't be able to trade. It's pretty significant imho, as its like the length of 3 minions coming to lane so it doesn't even have to be max range. Cass does a ton more damage in a strait up fight. I think I'll try cup rushing next time and just out scaling her. I could just as easily say you should be able to dodge all the max range q's from Cass, and shut all her dps down pre-w.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 20:37:41
March 08 2012 20:33 GMT
#76
cass's q is faster cast time, no reactivation delay, gives her a mspd bonus as soon as it hits (even vs minions), and is LESS THAN 1/3 THE CD of lux's e. much less risk for missing a cass q than lux missing her E (if lux misses an E she is essentially out of the fight for the next 10 seconds without losing trades horribly)

dodging a perfectly placed cass q (in the direction that a champ is currently moving in and will be in the next moment) is near impossible without at least boots 2. the movespeed provided by cass q's and the slow on cass W make her a real pain vs skillshot based matchups
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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
March 08 2012 20:50 GMT
#77
Lux vs Cass should just be a farm battle, no need to be supper aggressive, which it sounds like you were bring, and being aggressive vs Lux can be bad as it opens you up to her combo which she can hit you with from long range.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
March 09 2012 02:34 GMT
#78
On March 09 2012 05:33 Navi wrote:
cass's q is faster cast time, no reactivation delay, gives her a mspd bonus as soon as it hits (even vs minions), and is LESS THAN 1/3 THE CD of lux's e. much less risk for missing a cass q than lux missing her E (if lux misses an E she is essentially out of the fight for the next 10 seconds without losing trades horribly)

dodging a perfectly placed cass q (in the direction that a champ is currently moving in and will be in the next moment) is near impossible without at least boots 2. the movespeed provided by cass q's and the slow on cass W make her a real pain vs skillshot based matchups


Nope, only champs You correct though, she be possible to abuse Lux's long CDs and just spam her out of the lane.
heroyi
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 23:16:24
March 09 2012 23:14 GMT
#79
On February 26 2012 07:09 STYDawn wrote:
Hi im a Karthus player, and i find cass very dificult to master, i can land my qs almost all the time, but the qs have such long CD and i find it very hard to kite in teamfights, any help?

Generally you want to use your W first by placing it strategically so that it reduces the amount of room for the opponent to run around thus making it easier for you to land your Q's. If the players are good then they will most likely dodge your Q since its really not that hard(if you are not predictable and have boots, if you didnt bring boots then you are essentially fucked).

What I love about Cass is the fact that you have to assess the situation before attempting to do anything. There is a proper timing to use her ult and there is a proper timing of when you should go in and E the crap out of your target. She requires a lot of patience and self control with you just sitting in the back spamming Q and W until CD have been blown. If you attack prematurely, and the other team is smart, you are sooooo dead.

this is how I play her at least, and imo, the most effective way to play her
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CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 13:04:18
March 12 2012 13:02 GMT
#80
What do you guys make of her passive? In early game laning (lvls 1-6), do you try to keep it stacked up or just ignore the passive and use your spells when its needed (to deny farm/ harass)
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