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It's what I like about Cass. She turns into a late game super carry, pretty much regardless of how you do early on. It's helped by the fact that it's easier to hit spells in late game fights because of more CC, or because people's fingers are tired and can't react as well. It's also very easy to predict how people are going to move while positioned around baron or near towers.
I don't think Cass needs blue buff as much as other casters do. Reducing the cooldown on Q only really helps significantly if you miss a lot, and with proper E usage it shouldn't affect that at all (although sometimes my E will bug out and not refresh on a poisoned target). It's okay for W, but that's not your main damage source. Shorter cooldowns on the ult is great, but generally that comes up often enough for teamfights. And it's not a replacement for tear or other mana sources.
Great guide, by the way. I'll have to try it out some.
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I've been playing more with straight ap builds sans tear, and they work fine but you are really super dependant on blue buff, so what exactly you opt for comes down I think to preference and team comp.
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So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?)
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definitely want to build boots + 3 first instead of d-ring
brand is a pretty tough matchup for cass from what ive seen, and i'm sure xerath and fizz do well against her
other than that, yeah she hasn't changed much
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On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?)
Cass doesn't really have that many bad matchups tbh. If you can hit your Qs and dodge enemy skillshots you can outharass pretty much anyone. Kass isn't that bad until he hits 6, at which poitn he just poops all over you.
Cass gets picked a decent amount in pro-games. You just aren't watching the right ones x] The issue with Cass is that she needs a good frontline to tank and peel for her as she's innately very squishy, but with the right comp she has one of the highest sustained damages in the game.
I personally go boots3pot into 2 drings then WotA/Dcap. Then I grab Rylais, Void, Zhonyas after. RoA is nice, but I find that it delays your damage too much.
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On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?)
kass is still a royal jackass to nearly all ap's, this applies doubly to cass, since she is 100% combo based. For you to do harass in lane, you hit a q, and then spam the fuck out of twin fang to do dmg. Kass makes it so that when you hit q..... you just start autoattacking, and therefore do the least dmg possible during your poison duration. Note soraka poses a similar problem, but you prob wont see it that often.
the item build is still fine i think. I personally would do boots + double-d's into dcap, just kus dcap too op, but i dont think it would be bad to do what op suggested. Basically as long as you are doing something that would be 'generally ok' on an ap caster i think you're in the clear. In general tho, i would recommend starting boots over dring, just kus so many mu's in mid are dependent on skillshots.
also 21/x/x masteries and all that.
also nothing wrong with bumping a champ thread :D
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I really love the way cass plays but sitting at about 180-200 ping i've always wondered if im holding my team back by playing such a skillshot reliant character with the ping. I can land her Q's but it seems i cant chase the enemy for the E's as they run off way faster than i can. Is this how it is in low ping situations too, or am i just doing it wrong?
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On December 06 2011 11:53 Nikopol wrote:
I really love the way cass plays but sitting at about 180-200 ping i've always wondered if im holding my team back by playing such a skillshot reliant character with the ping. I can land her Q's but it seems i cant chase the enemy for the E's as they run off way faster than i can. Is this how it is in low ping situations too, or am i just doing it wrong?
with that ping i would only play garen...if that helps.
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On December 06 2011 22:03 arthur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 11:53 Nikopol wrote:
I really love the way cass plays but sitting at about 180-200 ping i've always wondered if im holding my team back by playing such a skillshot reliant character with the ping. I can land her Q's but it seems i cant chase the enemy for the E's as they run off way faster than i can. Is this how it is in low ping situations too, or am i just doing it wrong? with that ping i would only play garen...if that helps.
Bah, my ping never gets under 220, as if i'd wanna Garen permanently! Never known anything different, I'm sure your the same Niko, so just keep at it.
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On December 06 2011 11:53 Nikopol wrote:
I really love the way cass plays but sitting at about 180-200 ping i've always wondered if im holding my team back by playing such a skillshot reliant character with the ping. I can land her Q's but it seems i cant chase the enemy for the E's as they run off way faster than i can. Is this how it is in low ping situations too, or am i just doing it wrong?
It can take a while to get used to playing certain champs at such high ping. In the situation you described, it might be worth practicing cancelling your animations before, or as, you are triggering them.
I don't know if I described that well enough or not and I'm not even sure if it's possible on cass, but when I used to mainly play on the US, my ping was often about ~160-180, which would mean that, while playing TF, to lock a gold card I would have to lock almost instantly after the red card appeared. Whereas on the EU server I can lock it even while the gold card itself is showing.
Again, not sure if this is possible with cass. But animation cancelling, or a lack of it, is a common cause of the situation you described.
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On December 06 2011 08:48 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?) kass is still a royal jackass to nearly all ap's, this applies doubly to cass, since she is 100% combo based. For you to do harass in lane, you hit a q, and then spam the fuck out of twin fang to do dmg. Kass makes it so that when you hit q..... you just start autoattacking, and therefore do the least dmg possible during your poison duration. Note soraka poses a similar problem, but you prob wont see it that often. the item build is still fine i think. I personally would do boots + double-d's into dcap, just kus dcap too op, but i dont think it would be bad to do what op suggested. Basically as long as you are doing something that would be 'generally ok' on an ap caster i think you're in the clear. In general tho, i would recommend starting boots over dring, just kus so many mu's in mid are dependent on skillshots. also 21/x/x masteries and all that. also nothing wrong with bumping a champ thread :D
Which is better to level in lane? I always liked leveling q because of the longer range and good poke/harass, but leveling e would probably be more useful for getting the killing blow
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On December 07 2011 09:30 cDgCornpops wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 08:48 barbsq wrote:On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?) kass is still a royal jackass to nearly all ap's, this applies doubly to cass, since she is 100% combo based. For you to do harass in lane, you hit a q, and then spam the fuck out of twin fang to do dmg. Kass makes it so that when you hit q..... you just start autoattacking, and therefore do the least dmg possible during your poison duration. Note soraka poses a similar problem, but you prob wont see it that often. the item build is still fine i think. I personally would do boots + double-d's into dcap, just kus dcap too op, but i dont think it would be bad to do what op suggested. Basically as long as you are doing something that would be 'generally ok' on an ap caster i think you're in the clear. In general tho, i would recommend starting boots over dring, just kus so many mu's in mid are dependent on skillshots. also 21/x/x masteries and all that. also nothing wrong with bumping a champ thread :D Which is better to level in lane? I always liked leveling q because of the longer range and good poke/harass, but leveling e would probably be more useful for getting the killing blow
can't say i'm really an authority on cass, but i typically like to do qeeqe, then r>q>e>w with a point in w somewhere around 10 or 11 ish. This is mostly because of how i tend to play solo lanes tho. I come from a background of urgot, pantheon, leblanc, ezreal (back when he was popular as a solo), basically hyper aggressive champs, and it tends to come out in my other champs as well. If you're comfortable sitting back and farming with cass (which is just fine) then you prob dont need to invest as much in e in the early levels as i do. In that situation i would prob go something along the lines of q e e q q for the first 5 levels instead (primarily because you're going to be last hitting with autos for the first 3 levels anyways, so you can save your spells exclusively for harass). not a large difference but may be noticeable. Either way tho, as long as you're not getting w until later on (kus w is shit in lane) i dont think it really matters how you prioritize q or e and just do what feels right for you.
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On December 07 2011 10:09 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 09:30 cDgCornpops wrote:On December 06 2011 08:48 barbsq wrote:On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?) kass is still a royal jackass to nearly all ap's, this applies doubly to cass, since she is 100% combo based. For you to do harass in lane, you hit a q, and then spam the fuck out of twin fang to do dmg. Kass makes it so that when you hit q..... you just start autoattacking, and therefore do the least dmg possible during your poison duration. Note soraka poses a similar problem, but you prob wont see it that often. the item build is still fine i think. I personally would do boots + double-d's into dcap, just kus dcap too op, but i dont think it would be bad to do what op suggested. Basically as long as you are doing something that would be 'generally ok' on an ap caster i think you're in the clear. In general tho, i would recommend starting boots over dring, just kus so many mu's in mid are dependent on skillshots. also 21/x/x masteries and all that. also nothing wrong with bumping a champ thread :D Which is better to level in lane? I always liked leveling q because of the longer range and good poke/harass, but leveling e would probably be more useful for getting the killing blow can't say i'm really an authority on cass, but i typically like to do qeeqe, then r>q>e>w with a point in w somewhere around 10 or 11 ish. This is mostly because of how i tend to play solo lanes tho. I come from a background of urgot, pantheon, leblanc, ezreal (back when he was popular as a solo), basically hyper aggressive champs, and it tends to come out in my other champs as well. If you're comfortable sitting back and farming with cass (which is just fine) then you prob dont need to invest as much in e in the early levels as i do. In that situation i would prob go something along the lines of q e e q q for the first 5 levels instead (primarily because you're going to be last hitting with autos for the first 3 levels anyways, so you can save your spells exclusively for harass). not a large difference but may be noticeable. Either way tho, as long as you're not getting w until later on (kus w is shit in lane) i dont think it really matters how you prioritize q or e and just do what feels right for you.
Ive always played taking w first, q @ 2, e @ 3, and then r>e>q>w. The idea is, w at level 1 is useful for the slow, and vision in brush for level 1 fights. It also does the most dmg should someone just stand in it, and its good for clearing the caster wave easily. The slow is useful and people get zoned by it. Second can be either q or e, doesnt really matter, but having all 3 abilities by 3 lets you get quite aggressive. If you then want the most single target damage, level e first. It means that hitting a Q is devastating because you can follow with 2 e's.
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On December 06 2011 22:25 Wetty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 22:03 arthur wrote:On December 06 2011 11:53 Nikopol wrote:
I really love the way cass plays but sitting at about 180-200 ping i've always wondered if im holding my team back by playing such a skillshot reliant character with the ping. I can land her Q's but it seems i cant chase the enemy for the E's as they run off way faster than i can. Is this how it is in low ping situations too, or am i just doing it wrong? with that ping i would only play garen...if that helps. Bah, my ping never gets under 220, as if i'd wanna Garen permanently! Never known anything different, I'm sure your the same Niko, so just keep at it.
Yeah im just having a whinge. I'll just keep playing her.
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On December 07 2011 09:30 cDgCornpops wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 08:48 barbsq wrote:On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?) kass is still a royal jackass to nearly all ap's, this applies doubly to cass, since she is 100% combo based. For you to do harass in lane, you hit a q, and then spam the fuck out of twin fang to do dmg. Kass makes it so that when you hit q..... you just start autoattacking, and therefore do the least dmg possible during your poison duration. Note soraka poses a similar problem, but you prob wont see it that often. the item build is still fine i think. I personally would do boots + double-d's into dcap, just kus dcap too op, but i dont think it would be bad to do what op suggested. Basically as long as you are doing something that would be 'generally ok' on an ap caster i think you're in the clear. In general tho, i would recommend starting boots over dring, just kus so many mu's in mid are dependent on skillshots. also 21/x/x masteries and all that. also nothing wrong with bumping a champ thread :D Which is better to level in lane? I always liked leveling q because of the longer range and good poke/harass, but leveling e would probably be more useful for getting the killing blow
Q sets up your combo and you get a bigger speed boost with every level of Q. So, I think maxing Q first is best. I also agree with getting W at like level 10 or so rather than 4.
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Just picked up the game and bought Cassi, what an awesome hero 
ty for the guide
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On January 21 2012 04:18 Jojo131 wrote:Just picked up the game and bought Cassi, what an awesome hero ty for the guide
I wouldn't suggest using this guide. the masteries are outdated and the item build imo is not optimal. these days i've been going boots > when possible sorc , 2 dorans>, revolver>will eventually, giant belt>rylais, deathcap, void, zhonyas. i used to run ignite on her but more recently saw someone using cleanse and it makes a lot of sense to me to run it. and then 21-0-9 masteries
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I will update this guide hopefully Tuesday.
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On December 07 2011 09:30 cDgCornpops wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 08:48 barbsq wrote:On December 06 2011 08:36 danana wrote:
So I'm thinking of picking up Cass as my main mid champion but want to ask a few questions before i spend my hard-earned IP on her:
- does she have any bad matchups (the OP mentions kassadin - is he still a problem after his Q range nerf?)
- is there a particular reason i haven't seen much cass play recently in pro games (or maybe i'm just not looking at the right ones)?
- does the build in the OP still apply? as far as i can tell the only major change would be the masteries.
(oh, and there's nothing wrong with bumping a champion thread right?) kass is still a royal jackass to nearly all ap's, this applies doubly to cass, since she is 100% combo based. For you to do harass in lane, you hit a q, and then spam the fuck out of twin fang to do dmg. Kass makes it so that when you hit q..... you just start autoattacking, and therefore do the least dmg possible during your poison duration. Note soraka poses a similar problem, but you prob wont see it that often. the item build is still fine i think. I personally would do boots + double-d's into dcap, just kus dcap too op, but i dont think it would be bad to do what op suggested. Basically as long as you are doing something that would be 'generally ok' on an ap caster i think you're in the clear. In general tho, i would recommend starting boots over dring, just kus so many mu's in mid are dependent on skillshots. also 21/x/x masteries and all that. also nothing wrong with bumping a champ thread :D Which is better to level in lane? I always liked leveling q because of the longer range and good poke/harass, but leveling e would probably be more useful for getting the killing blow
It depends on the lane. Against many champs E is better because you can land a Q and get a couple E's for pretty high damage, but some champs you'll only ever get 0-1 E's, so earlier points in Q can net you more damage. Generally I do E before Q.
I've tried a lot of different orders between wota, rylai's, and deathcap, but there doesn't seem to be one best build. Getting deathcap third does noticeably affect your damage. I think the most 'standard' build is probably rylai > deathcap > wota, or skip wota and go straight for void staff if you don't find yourself needing the vamp.
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I've been trying out the 2doran>revolver>banshee build and its pretty legit if you're ahead. The ability to be able to get those ults off is really useful.
Alot of people also underestimate cass' healing when she has revolver/wota, and you're sitting in her poison pool while she E's. In that situation she can 1v1 most champs as her sustained dmg and healing is ridiculous.
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