hp5 is fine. If you run locket you don't need mp5 runes which opens up free armor or mr. And I don't know how him having passive lifesteal is supposed to be related to anything.

If you don't want to believe locket is a good tank item, shrug, not going to try to convince you.

Anyway, I changed my build a bit in the last game and i was pretty impressed with the core of:

locket
spirit visage

what you go for after that is kind of in the air, I ended the game (a 4 vs 5 I carried) with Atma's, Spirit Visage, Randuin's, Treads, Triforce and Locket.

myopia

United States2928 Posts

November 26 2010 02:08 GMT

#43

On November 26 2010 06:46 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you run locket you don't need mp5 runes which opens up free armor or mr.

This is counterproductive. Mp5plvl are the best runes in the game (and meditation is probly the best mastery) - the whole point of running them is so you don't have to waste gold on mp5 items.

Ruken

United States858 Posts

November 26 2010 07:26 GMT

#44

UniversalSnip, what client do you use? I can't find your name on either the US or Euro ladder.

Ruken

United States858 Posts

November 26 2010 07:32 GMT

#45

How long would a soraka with locket last while being focused in a team fight? Because it's almost the same deal with Nasus.

Oh and of course locket+visage is a good combo, but it adds minimal tankage to Nasus while providing great utility to your team which is not really his roll as far as being an aura whore/healer. I'm willing to try anything though so I'll give it a shot.
I'm just thinking that locket is going to be crap in teamfights and i'll get bursted down immediately since I spent all my tank item money on it. When we're getting poked while dancing around their turret is the only time it's going to do much imo.

r33k

Italy3402 Posts

November 26 2010 08:48 GMT

#46

Locket is OP right now. Although you do lack the flat EHP you make up for it with runes, and the stacking regen from your passive/ult/locket being increased by SV makes you pretty ridiculous.
This isn't to say that after locket, sv and sheen you are free to pump elixirs and push for a win because then your runes won't be enough to mitigate the magic damage you'll be taking, but 2 negatrons cost little more than triple pot, and with the kills you'll be getting from teamfights that isn't going to be a huge sum of money for you.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

November 26 2010 15:56 GMT

#47

On November 26 2010 17:48 r33k wrote:
Locket is OP right now. Although you do lack the flat EHP you make up for it with runes, and the stacking regen from your passive/ult/locket being increased by SV makes you pretty ridiculous.
This isn't to say that after locket, sv and sheen you are free to pump elixirs and push for a win because then your runes won't be enough to mitigate the magic damage you'll be taking, but 2 negatrons cost little more than triple pot, and with the kills you'll be getting from teamfights that isn't going to be a huge sum of money for you.

1 negatron = 740, triple pot = 900, 2 negatron = 1480

Brees

Marshall Islands3404 Posts

November 26 2010 16:42 GMT

#48

nasus has lost a lot of viability ever since super harass tanks like gragas and malphite have emerged

no reason to give a solo to a tank thats gonna let their carry farm too when you can have a tank that will deny and farm effectively at the same time

just my 2 cents on nasus current state

myopia

United States2928 Posts

November 26 2010 17:42 GMT

#49

On November 26 2010 17:48 r33k wrote:
Locket is OP right now. Although you do lack the flat EHP you make up for it with runes, and the stacking regen from your passive/ult/locket being increased by SV makes you pretty ridiculous.
This isn't to say that after locket, sv and sheen you are free to pump elixirs and push for a win because then your runes won't be enough to mitigate the magic damage you'll be taking, but 2 negatrons cost little more than triple pot, and with the kills you'll be getting from teamfights that isn't going to be a huge sum of money for you.

Nasus' ult doesn't give any regen.

This logic all just seems backwards to me. We're taking the best runes (mp5plvl) and the best tanking items (randuins, banshees) and trading them for lesser runes (armor, mres) and lesser tanking items (locket, sv), all because locket is fotm?

note that I'm not hating on locket. I'm placing it in the same category as Aegis - good, but much more useful if someone else on your team buys it.

On November 27 2010 01:42 Brees wrote:
nasus has lost a lot of viability ever since super harass tanks like gragas and malphite have emerged

no reason to give a solo to a tank thats gonna let their carry farm too when you can have a tank that will deny and farm effectively at the same time

just my 2 cents on nasus current state

I agree, but I still think Nasus is good enough to run in a dual lane with someone like Janna.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

November 26 2010 20:21 GMT

#50

You don't take runes because they're 'the best runes', you take them because they give you something you need, and you don't need mp5 with locket... which is a legit choice for it's own reasons. Put it this way, you aren't giving up mp5 runes, you're getting a free set of them with your tank item.

I really don't think locket is a lesser tanking item than randuin's or banshee's. I certainly wouldn't say it's better in terms of absolute effects but it's on their level, and it's way undercosted compared to them.

@ruken us, not sure why I'm not showing up as my name is the same there

checo

Mexico1364 Posts

December 01 2010 04:31 GMT

#51

I have been having some succes with:

Doran shield+mana pot
chalice
boots(normal)
upgrade boots
the shield that gives life+mr+armor(can't seem to remember the name...)
sheen=>trinity
flame cap(ala garen) XD

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

December 01 2010 04:37 GMT

#52

dont get chalice, such a bad item

nothing u cant get from runes (unless u doing the pro 5chalice stack)

Ruken

United States858 Posts

December 01 2010 05:44 GMT

#53

Yeah start Doran's ring and take strength of spirit if you're having mana problems before you can afford runes.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

December 04 2010 14:31 GMT

#54

so, i was just thinking about it earlier, but what is it that makes some ppl think that aegis is such a must have for nasus? like, aegis is a great item and all, but i feel like the only players who will say aegis is 100% core are the nasus players. It just seems weird to me that some ppl are so deadset on aegis for nasus when in my experience, it is a situational midgame item on an offtank or support, while even some straight dps nasus players will get aegis for the hell of it. Just seems weird to me.

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

December 04 2010 21:19 GMT

#55

I think it is because Nasus used to fall under the category of "build whatever on him, he will work anyway" (the same category supports are in, that's why you build auras on them - they don't care about items)

At least that's my view on that matter (though nowadays i think nasus needs to be tanky)

Canada4732 Posts

December 04 2010 22:28 GMT

#56

Its more about the fact that as Nasus you're unlikely to die during fights, so the majority of your lost team fights are going to come from the rest of your team dying. Given that you're a tank with very little to bring to the field disablewise and far less burst damage potential to scare off carries, you need to be able to keep the fight going as long as possible to let your innate lifesteal/spiritfire/ult shred into your opponents.

Aegis fits the bill. So does Randuin. If your team's performance in fights is going to be relatively immune to the effects of randuin (they have a heavy magical/CC and relatively position independent team), Aegis comes out as the superior option.

Nasus is great and all, but he isn't going to be dealing dedicated carry level damage, and he doesn't have much utility outside wither. Compare that to mumu/galio/nunu/olaf/gragas/malphite/XZ. The gulf in team fight control is massive, so you need to make up for it somehow, and giving your team a shitton of armor and mres during the early portion of the game when the last whispers and void staffs aren't out is huge.