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seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
November 20 2010 20:42 GMT
#21
I finally experienced Nasus' hype first-hand. 16-6-21 with Treads, Banshee, Triforce, Sunfire, FoN, LW.
Wither-> Fire-> Ult-> Q-> You have slain an enemy!-> Whack whack-> Q-> You have slain an enemy!
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 20 2010 22:08 GMT
#22
I can't stand this guy. He's just not bulky enough to be a tank, and does just too little damage to carry (or even really finish off) anyone.

I'm well aware that he can be used to great effect, but I can't find a good team to fit him in, nor can I get the style down. I am really good at stacking siphoning damage thought ^^
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-21 00:05:05
November 21 2010 00:03 GMT
#23
On November 21 2010 07:08 deth2munkies wrote:
I can't stand this guy. He's just not bulky enough to be a tank, and does just too little damage to carry (or even really finish off) anyone.

I'm well aware that he can be used to great effect, but I can't find a good team to fit him in, nor can I get the style down. I am really good at stacking siphoning damage thought ^^

I like 1v1 top with teleport, just get mad farmed and push the level, when you get the tower you can take over another lane while someone ganks and the other holds top and gets solo exp. Just push around the map getting silly farmed, if you have to teamfight early-mid just bait a little too much, when you get jumped, Ult and survive all their nonsense. Levels and Ult should save you early until the farm kicks in and you can tank anything.

edit: I have shite for elo. Hand full of salt and all that.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
November 21 2010 01:43 GMT
#24
Loving Nasus too. Top solo, get farmed and maybe nab a kill or two - and farm more.

I'm afraid of jungle ganks so I rarely push heavily unless I see that I'm in no danger. I go hog merc negatron if needed sheen qss(lol) randuin banshee/triforce/thornmail and cause havoc with q.

Really fun!
Stuck.
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 06:14:40
November 22 2010 06:14 GMT
#25
On November 21 2010 10:43 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Loving Nasus too. Top solo, get farmed and maybe nab a kill or two - and farm more.

I'm afraid of jungle ganks so I rarely push heavily unless I see that I'm in no danger. I go hog merc negatron if needed sheen qss(lol) randuin banshee/triforce/thornmail and cause havoc with q.

Really fun!

Getting early river wards to watch out for their jungler is really important so that you can be a pain in the ass to lane against and push further than you otherwise would.

In a normal 1v1 scenario theres not going to be anyone that should scare you that much so you'll usually be able to siphon strike every single minion almost every wave. The importance of the ward is that it lets you go to the center of the lane and wack every minion with your staff while zoning the enemy champ with the potential of a wither>spirit fire>ult>siphon>siphon>siphon combo.
MIK Terran
Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
November 22 2010 15:48 GMT
#26
What about Sunfire? I've always been a fan of the flat HP, and the damage makes him even more disruptive in teamfights, which is his main advantage imo. A giant jackal with particles swirling around him tends to make people scatter.

My build: Shield, hog, mercs, sunfire, omen, GA.
Farm on SS tends to make me hit hard enough.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 16:17:05
November 22 2010 16:03 GMT
#27
I don't buy Sunfire because 1. He gets a ton of HP from his ult and the infinitely more useful Randuins and Banshees (and Triforce, and Dshield), 2. He already has 2 AoE DoTs and insane farming ability, and 3. If they have so much physical damage that Randuins isn't cutting it alone, a thornmail will serve you better.

I've said it before but (imoimoimo), rushing Sunfire is a noobtrap on many champions, Randuins is better in every way. Exceptions to this rule would be like TL's last newegg match, where they were doing so well early game that Mogwai (as Shen) could afford boots1 and sunfire at level 7. If you can get it that fast, the burning aura is going to shred champions and they could continue steamrolling. Though even in this scenario, I wouldn't get Sunfire on Nasus.


Let's compare stats, shall we?

Sunfire:
450 HP,
45 Armor,
40 dps aoe*
2510 gold

*don't forget this is MAGIC damage, and you're not going to have any mpen. You're never getting the full 40.

Randuins:
300 HP,
25 HP5,
90 Armor,
15% CDR,**
slow on being hit proc,
active slow aoe (with a much larger radius than sunfire burn)
2925 gold, minus whatever HoG earned for you.

**the cdr for more frequent SS, SF, and Ult outstrips sunfire's damage by quite a bit.

There's no contest here.

sidenote: GA is bad on champs with a lot of HP. I haven't bought one on Nasus since the nerf.
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 22 2010 16:19 GMT
#28
On November 23 2010 01:03 myopia wrote:
I've said it before but (imoimoimo), rushing Sunfire is a noobtrap on many champions, Randuins is better in every way. Exceptions to this rule would be like TL's last newegg match, where they were doing so well early game that Mogwai (as Shen) could afford boots1 and sunfire at level 7. If you can get it that fast, the burning aura is going to shred champions and they could continue steamrolling.

90% of the reason I went sunfire was to be able to quickly clear the opposing jungle. When you're up by that much, one of the best ways to press such an advantage is to simply cut off whatever sources of XP and gold that you can which lets you pull even further ahead. Shen's great at this because he can dash over walls and thus molest their jungle relatively safely, but he's too slow at killing jungle creeps, so sunfire is sorta the perfect fit for dicking them over like that.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-22 16:52:18
November 22 2010 16:51 GMT
#29
I must be missing something. Why not Malphite for the team? Imba hero, imba initation with that flash stun ulti.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Pigsquirrel
Profile Joined August 2009
United States615 Posts
November 22 2010 18:05 GMT
#30
Wow, now that I can see the stats side by side for sunfire vs. omen, it is hands down omen.
I'll give it a try tonight, using the OP's build to the letter.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 22 2010 20:38 GMT
#31
My new build on nasus:

Doran's Shield
Locket
Aegis
Triforce
GG
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 22 2010 20:41 GMT
#32
Locket? wtf, why?
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 22 2010 20:57 GMT
#33
Locket is actually a really good tank item if you have spammable skills. It gives tons and tons of hp/mana per gold and I find I'm valuing banshee's less than it lately on front-line heros. With carries if you're getting targeted you are probably in lethal range and bv is going to save your life, with a tank you are in the fray and it gets popped by the randomest shit before every fight.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
November 23 2010 16:23 GMT
#34
Even though nasus can spam spirit fire/siphon strike it still only gives him a little bit of health as far as tanking goes. It might not be terrible but It'd probably be more useful on someone else on the team. I've never tried it though.
MIK Terran
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 16:40:29
November 23 2010 16:38 GMT
#35
On November 24 2010 01:23 Ruken wrote:
Even though nasus can spam spirit fire/siphon strike it still only gives him a little bit of health as far as tanking goes. It might not be terrible but It'd probably be more useful on someone else on the team. I've never tried it though.


that's exactly how I view Aegis on him. It's is a good item, but you don't buy it on a carry, which is how I play Nasus. Yeah I'm a tank, a pusher, a teamfighter, an anti-dps. Nasus is all these things. But farmed godmode Nasus is so good that dropping 2k on a support item (Aegis) is just gimping yourself imoimoimo.

Have your Shen/Janna/Soraka/Rammus/Galio/Malphite/Taric/anyone else get the Aegis.

(btw I'm not an Aegis hater I rush it every time I play Shen :> )
it's my first day
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 17:12:10
November 23 2010 17:10 GMT
#36
On November 24 2010 01:38 myopia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 01:23 Ruken wrote:
Even though nasus can spam spirit fire/siphon strike it still only gives him a little bit of health as far as tanking goes. It might not be terrible but It'd probably be more useful on someone else on the team. I've never tried it though.


that's exactly how I view Aegis on him. It's is a good item, but you don't buy it on a carry, which is how I play Nasus. Yeah I'm a tank, a pusher, a teamfighter, an anti-dps. Nasus is all these things. But farmed godmode Nasus is so good that dropping 2k on a support item (Aegis) is just gimping yourself imoimoimo.

Have your Shen/Janna/Soraka/Rammus/Galio/Malphite/Taric/anyone else get the Aegis.

(btw I'm not an Aegis hater I rush it every time I play Shen :> )

I still think Aegis has REALLY good stats though for the price! As Nasus I'm always looking for some early way to get a bit of HP, armor and Mres. More importantly you can get it by 10 minutes into the game as Nasus. 270 health, 30 armor, 39 mres and 8 damage. 1 more Mres than GA lol.

I mean for the same price you could almost finish Randuin's which is a really good item then just get a negatron if you need it but I've just always liked Aegis. Maybe I'll try forgoing it like I do when I rush Warmogs first.
MIK Terran
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 23 2010 17:16 GMT
#37
That's just it, Randuins/Banshees cover his needs so much better than Aegis. They come in useful bite size pieces - it's a very fluid item build. For the same price as aegis you can buy chain mail, negatron, and a ruby crystal. You're just as tough as if you had aegis and you're 2k gold closer to godmode. Whereas someone like Shen, who has no godmode, keeps the team rolling by grabbing the aegis.
it's my first day
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 21:01:54
November 23 2010 20:57 GMT
#38
On November 24 2010 01:23 Ruken wrote:
Even though nasus can spam spirit fire/siphon strike it still only gives him a little bit of health as far as tanking goes. It might not be terrible but It'd probably be more useful on someone else on the team. I've never tried it though.


dude, look at what locket actually does and do the math.

EDIT: I have aegis in that build because it's the most cost and space efficient way of adding both armor and mr to multiply off your considerable health pool. Item space is a concern since I go triforce next (lol <_<). You want to get tanky as cheaply as possible or you'll never move beyond witherbot phase.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
November 24 2010 02:27 GMT
#39
dude, i don't think locket is that good on nasus bro dude man
MIK Terran
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 24 2010 02:54 GMT
#40
When you have a hero with spam abilities you are regenerating over 100 hp per 5, plus you get +430 hp and +450 mana and about 40 mana regen per 5 and 10% cooldown reduction. Which is pretty good for 2200 gold.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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