I've went back to running exhaust now. You get kited too hard vs ranged carries who can really kill you, and you really need to be able to hulk mode if you took a solo lane, you cant chase and not do anything or not chase and get pwned. Obviously sitting in the middle of the group with spirit fire and ulti up spamming Q on a squisy melee of AP carry who got overbold is ideal, but when the fog clears it's usually the ranged carries that are alive, and unless they focused you, you probably are as well.

jtype

England2167 Posts

February 16 2011 12:13 GMT

#82

I think that's probably why red buff is so useful on him. You just participate in a team fight as normal, until your Wither comes off CD, allowing you to slow the ranged carry, get in range to get a Q hit off and then you've applied red buff and will either be able to stick to them from then on, or be able to force them to run too far away from the fight to be of any use.

TreeEskimo

United States7 Posts

February 19 2011 09:31 GMT

#83

Exhaust is awesome on Nasus, dunno what else I'd want to run over it - maybe a rally or teleport, but realistically he doesn't need flash/cleanse/ignite.

I guess worst case if your team has no CV he could run ghost + cv, but ghost + exhaust makes his early game a lot stronger in my opinion. Since exhaust is good all game long and his early game is his biggest weakness, I feel like exhaust is probably the best second summoner to run on him.

BloodNinja

United States2791 Posts

February 19 2011 22:16 GMT

#84

On February 19 2011 18:31 TreeEskimo wrote:
Exhaust is awesome on Nasus, dunno what else I'd want to run over it - maybe a rally or teleport, but realistically he doesn't need flash/cleanse/ignite.

I guess worst case if your team has no CV he could run ghost + cv, but ghost + exhaust makes his early game a lot stronger in my opinion. Since exhaust is good all game long and his early game is his biggest weakness, I feel like exhaust is probably the best second summoner to run on him.

If this is the real TreeEski, Welcome! I personally run/ran Ghost+Cleanse on him. I seem to eat a lot of CC and it helps with that. I really haven't had a chance to run exhaust since the rework but its something I could give a shot.

Wala.Revolution

7584 Posts

February 20 2011 05:13 GMT

#85

I see exhaust's uses but cleanse makes you really hard to gank with wither/cleanse/ult(hp) and ghost. But then I play super farm q Nasus so...

Psyonic_Reaver

United States4342 Posts

February 20 2011 05:21 GMT

#86

I play Ghost/CV if we have no CV, and Ghost/Exhaust when we have someone running CV. Ghost/Exhaust is so good because you wither them, then exhaust just before it runs out. It's great for helping your jungler gank. It's amazing how many people just let you Q farm as Nasus in a solo lane or even a Duo Lane. I prefer Duo just because most Bot teams just let me farm up to 100 Q by 10min. at the latest. Maybe it's my elo level but it's redic.

Malderon

Netherlands136 Posts

February 20 2011 21:25 GMT

#87

I wonder, how useful is Nasus in 3v3? Since the lategame seems to be his strong point.

He is however fairly tanky, and Wither now shuts down 1 out of 3 instead of 1/5 enemies. Armor redux and facemelting SS seem attractive still. Any thoughts/suggestions?

freelander

Hungary4707 Posts

February 20 2011 22:22 GMT

#88

im purely theorycrafting here, but I don't think he can farm too much on his Q in 3 v 3.

other than that he very well could be a very strong choice.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

February 20 2011 23:16 GMT

#89

I would guess that Nasus' ult is rather weak on TT. Doesn't deal as much damage, doesn't give you as much bonus AD.

Ruken

United States858 Posts

February 21 2011 15:10 GMT

#90

Yeah Nasus was pretty decent on TT until everyone figured out that singed/mundo were kings on that map. He's still ok I guess.

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

February 24 2011 06:39 GMT

#91

What IS wrong with Nasus? I've been stomping so hard these few games that I don't really see how he should fail. Red buff is available more of the time, and if you pop exhaust, wither and red buff all over the place you slow basically everything. Aside of that, you're super hard to kill and you still hit pretty damn hard.

How come Nasus isn't seen a lot competitively? What are similar champs that perform their roles better?

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

February 24 2011 06:48 GMT

#92

Nasus' effectiveness is directly proportional to the amount of farm he receives. If you let him, he will farm his q to 5 billion, get a trinity and every tank item he wants. He will then proceed to rip the enemy team apart. The problem is getting that farm. If your playing against good players, they will be aware of him and actively try to shut him down.

I look at it this way, nasus is like a stronger version of pirate. They both need a lot of farm to be effective. nasus needs less and is therefore viable, pirate isnt.

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

February 24 2011 07:16 GMT

#93

How can you shut down a Spirit Fire using Nasus? Shutting him down the first 3-4 levels is ezpz, afterwards it seems impossible to stop him from plunking down his SF whenever he pleases and getting sick farm.

If I really enjoy Nasus, that shouldn't stop me from getting to highish elo, though?

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

February 24 2011 07:20 GMT

#94

On February 24 2011 16:16 BouBou.865 wrote:
How can you shut down a Spirit Fire using Nasus? Shutting him down the first 3-4 levels is ezpz, afterwards it seems impossible to stop him from plunking down his SF whenever he pleases and getting sick farm.

If I really enjoy Nasus, that shouldn't stop me from getting to highish elo, though?

SF is really mana intensive if you want to be ss every minion you can get your hands on, so I wouldnt recommend using it to farm. getting q is as important than gold, if not more so.

Solo q nasus will serve you well though. Most of the time teams are uncoordinated enough to let you afk farm while they run around the map chasing your teammates. You still lose games where bot and mid feed like hell, but you still get a chance to win them cuz your ulti lets you baron incredibly fast, and farmed nasus hurts like hell.

But teams ban nasus when they play against Ruken's team. That should tell you something.

dnastyx

United States2707 Posts

February 24 2011 07:31 GMT

#95

If I really enjoy Nasus, that shouldn't stop me from getting to highish elo, though?

Playing Nasus in solo queue is hoping your team doesn't feed too hard for the first 30 minutes, then winning the game with your massive amounts of farm.

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

February 24 2011 07:31 GMT

#96

Sweet. I love his animations, the fact that Late Game is the thing to aim for, and how hard to can roll over people. Just wanted to hear if he was just a pub stomper or actually diverse enough to learn.

Skins are a tad boring though. Giving him a Jesus/Jaysus skin would be kewlz.

TreeEskimo

United States7 Posts

February 24 2011 12:35 GMT

#97

Ah ya its the real me, I guess now that I've made a TL account I'll have to remember to stream posting something here to prove it.

I think the reason why you don't see Nasus often in competitive play is that he can be kited fairly easily. He was seen all the time back in the AoE ult press R to win metagame because both sides had to commit to the fight, there was little to no running and gunning it was simply everyone throw everything they have at each other and see who comes out on top.

Since the current style of play has a lot more poke and kiting at least by the DPS players, Nasus could just kill the tanks - but I don't think that's nearly as useful as picking another champion that could actually get onto their DPS.

Well overall I still think Nasus can be an extremely strong pick - just against lineups that can't kite effectively or have to commit to a fight in order to win.

BouBou.865

Netherlands814 Posts

March 10 2011 21:17 GMT

#98

Can't test this now, but if you add Tiamat, can Nasus Q farm multiple creeps at the same time? If he can, he's the ultimate snowballer lol.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

March 10 2011 21:51 GMT

#99

On March 11 2011 06:17 BouBou.865 wrote:
Can't test this now, but if you add Tiamat, can Nasus Q farm multiple creeps at the same time? If he can, he's the ultimate snowballer lol.

No he can't.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

March 10 2011 21:59 GMT

#100

On March 11 2011 06:17 BouBou.865 wrote:
Can't test this now, but if you add Tiamat, can Nasus Q farm multiple creeps at the same time? If he can, he's the ultimate snowballer lol.

with a wriggles + tiamat proc you can kill multiple minions with your Q but you will only be credited +3 damage to siphon strike