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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 16 2011 16:33 GMT
#161
It's not that they're OP, it's that either they can be absolutely terrible, ok, or most overpowered in game based on how high they can stack their Q. It's hard to balance.
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 17:53:14
June 16 2011 17:52 GMT
#162
Nasus and Veigar are two of my favourite champs thanks to that mechanic. Would be a real shame to have it changed.

Whenever I play a tanky melee now, I take philo stone and go for Eleisa's and then usually tabi since I've been using a dodge set-up lately. It used to be mercs always pretty much but tenacity being introduced opens up some neat builds.

As for Q vs E, if I'm solo lane I'll usually max E and build a Warmog's relatively early on. Sometimes I'll add a second one. Seems to work well.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
June 16 2011 17:57 GMT
#163
On June 17 2011 01:33 Slayer91 wrote:
It's not that they're OP, it's that either they can be absolutely terrible, ok, or most overpowered in game based on how high they can stack their Q. It's hard to balance.


Honestly what is the last time you saw a Nasus get OP?

Nasus mostly strikes me as a champion that has suffered from being an old champion. If they released Nasus today he would probably have a blink skill to cover the distance.

He just gets kited so hard, even if you farm Q all day long it never gets to a point where i would call it OP.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 16 2011 18:40 GMT
#164
Well, theoretically if they buffed him to the point that with 300-400 in Q he would be balanced, there would still be strats like - pick any of the champions released in the last 6 months to totally deny him in lane - or - turtle all day and just wait for nasus to get 1000 in Q and carry the team -. So if they want to buff him they need to tweak the mechanic.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 19:26:08
June 16 2011 19:25 GMT
#165
cant deny nasus mid lane, people just need to stop going top with him. if they buff him ill lol hard

also you need to have a good sense of flanking, if your having trouble with nasus try playing singed. Its the same as nasus except a lot easier. You shouldnt be attacking head on with your team.
Brees on in
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 20:19:08
June 16 2011 20:17 GMT
#166
There's no way you're going to get the +300 on Q by around 20 minutes that you should be getting vs a competent mid laner, they can basically harass you unpunished because of how short the lane is. I can't see it being a good idea at all.

Annie, malz, brand, vlad whatever else ap carries people play in mid can all deny you. Any ranged ad pwns you as well.
You're better off laning vs a melee who can't draw that much creep aggro+nasus aggro to deny you hard, but at least top vs an AP you can use brush and whither to stop them frmo harassing you all day.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 20:19:57
June 16 2011 20:19 GMT
#167
instead of theorycrafting you should just try it.

ive easily handled all the characters you just named, including teemo, corki, etc. ranged AD is probably the easiest
Brees on in
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 16 2011 20:22 GMT
#168
I've laned mid vs a vlad who was suprisingly weak early on but you don't get the same free all day until 200 cs like you can top, with teleport to get you into crucial teamfights. I did ok mid but I didn't farm Q as much as I should be to make nasus a decent pick. He also don't give the same map control a brand/annie/malzhar gives in mid, so it seems a total waste to me.
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
June 16 2011 21:00 GMT
#169
On June 17 2011 05:19 Brees wrote:
instead of theorycrafting you should just try it.

ive easily handled all the characters you just named, including teemo, corki, etc. ranged AD is probably the easiest

Despite my 72% winrate with Nasus and him being my main, a good corki can bully you around so hard that Nasus just isn't a good pick anymore. Maybe if the rest of their team screams 'PICK NASUS', but you won't have a good lane, at all. Same with Teemo.

How do you play these matchups, Brees?
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 16 2011 21:20 GMT
#170
On June 17 2011 06:00 BouBou.865 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 05:19 Brees wrote:
instead of theorycrafting you should just try it.

ive easily handled all the characters you just named, including teemo, corki, etc. ranged AD is probably the easiest

Despite my 72% winrate with Nasus and him being my main, a good corki can bully you around so hard that Nasus just isn't a good pick anymore. Maybe if the rest of their team screams 'PICK NASUS', but you won't have a good lane, at all. Same with Teemo.

How do you play these matchups, Brees?


nasus has naturally high regen thanks to his lifesteal on the ever-growing Q, so you can just play passively while you farm Q
once you hit a point (it's hard to say when but you can just feel it), just wait for the opponent's cooldowns to go down, wither them, walk up and hit them with siphon strike. you'll do like 1/4 of their health and if they try to stand and fight you pop your ult and smash the shit out of them. ranged carries are really really easy for nasus. as with most melee dps, the only ranged carry i ever struggle with is boots-first TF because he can kite so easily with gold card and you'll never get a good shot on him
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
June 16 2011 21:33 GMT
#171
1-8-21

ghost/exhaust

armor pen/flat armor/flat mr for runes

health regen+hp pot start

Q/W/Q/E

hit things and watch as you regen any harass they can muster.
Brees on in
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
June 16 2011 22:06 GMT
#172
On June 17 2011 06:20 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:00 BouBou.865 wrote:
On June 17 2011 05:19 Brees wrote:
instead of theorycrafting you should just try it.

ive easily handled all the characters you just named, including teemo, corki, etc. ranged AD is probably the easiest

Despite my 72% winrate with Nasus and him being my main, a good corki can bully you around so hard that Nasus just isn't a good pick anymore. Maybe if the rest of their team screams 'PICK NASUS', but you won't have a good lane, at all. Same with Teemo.

How do you play these matchups, Brees?


nasus has naturally high regen thanks to his lifesteal on the ever-growing Q, so you can just play passively while you farm Q
once you hit a point (it's hard to say when but you can just feel it), just wait for the opponent's cooldowns to go down, wither them, walk up and hit them with siphon strike. you'll do like 1/4 of their health and if they try to stand and fight you pop your ult and smash the shit out of them. ranged carries are really really easy for nasus. as with most melee dps, the only ranged carry i ever struggle with is boots-first TF because he can kite so easily with gold card and you'll never get a good shot on him


But what if the enemy just plays it proper? His lifesteal doesn't do much when each time you go for a last-hit the enemy proceeds to take off 20% off your HP.

Nasus needs to hit a minion to kill it. That might seem very normal but when you think about it it's actually pretty rare that a champion has to physically walk over and melee-hit champions as his only way of farming.

Nasus isn't quik, he can't blink, he doesn't have anything to let him move around. If you go to hit a minion then the enemy can fuck you over hard.


I really don't see how Nasus can lane against a strong or even a decent laner considering how hard you get punished every time you try to get a Q, let alone if you try to farm outside of that with auto-atacks.

His lifesteal really doesn't help him at all on the lane. Every time you try to take advantage of it the enemy will punish you so hard that you are forced to leave. Eventually your hp gets so low that you can't even cross the walk-up (Nothing > enemy minions) without being killed on the way there.

Some champions can even stand at a safe distance whilst Nasus goes insanely into their range. Ezreal for example. When Nasus isn't even close to Ezreal he is easily within 3 auto atacks and 2 Q's worth of range in the time that he walks up and back from the minion lane.


I really don't feel that Nasus works against players that know he can't fight back for the most part.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
June 16 2011 22:25 GMT
#173
if anyone wants to lane anything vs nasus against me, message me on inept im online now
Brees on in
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
June 16 2011 22:27 GMT
#174
On June 17 2011 07:06 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:20 gtrsrs wrote:
On June 17 2011 06:00 BouBou.865 wrote:
On June 17 2011 05:19 Brees wrote:
instead of theorycrafting you should just try it.

ive easily handled all the characters you just named, including teemo, corki, etc. ranged AD is probably the easiest

Despite my 72% winrate with Nasus and him being my main, a good corki can bully you around so hard that Nasus just isn't a good pick anymore. Maybe if the rest of their team screams 'PICK NASUS', but you won't have a good lane, at all. Same with Teemo.

How do you play these matchups, Brees?


nasus has naturally high regen thanks to his lifesteal on the ever-growing Q, so you can just play passively while you farm Q
once you hit a point (it's hard to say when but you can just feel it), just wait for the opponent's cooldowns to go down, wither them, walk up and hit them with siphon strike. you'll do like 1/4 of their health and if they try to stand and fight you pop your ult and smash the shit out of them. ranged carries are really really easy for nasus. as with most melee dps, the only ranged carry i ever struggle with is boots-first TF because he can kite so easily with gold card and you'll never get a good shot on him


But what if the enemy just plays it proper? His lifesteal doesn't do much when each time you go for a last-hit the enemy proceeds to take off 20% off your HP.

Nasus needs to hit a minion to kill it. That might seem very normal but when you think about it it's actually pretty rare that a champion has to physically walk over and melee-hit champions as his only way of farming.

Nasus isn't quik, he can't blink, he doesn't have anything to let him move around. If you go to hit a minion then the enemy can fuck you over hard.


I really don't see how Nasus can lane against a strong or even a decent laner considering how hard you get punished every time you try to get a Q, let alone if you try to farm outside of that with auto-atacks.

His lifesteal really doesn't help him at all on the lane. Every time you try to take advantage of it the enemy will punish you so hard that you are forced to leave. Eventually your hp gets so low that you can't even cross the walk-up (Nothing > enemy minions) without being killed on the way there.

Some champions can even stand at a safe distance whilst Nasus goes insanely into their range. Ezreal for example. When Nasus isn't even close to Ezreal he is easily within 3 auto atacks and 2 Q's worth of range in the time that he walks up and back from the minion lane.


I really don't feel that Nasus works against players that know he can't fight back for the most part.


by your argument solo mid ww wouldnt work either,

l0l @ lifesteal not helping in lane. The real issue with nasus imo is the absurd mana costs on e and w, otherwise i think his design is just fine.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 16 2011 22:28 GMT
#175
Actually I think the important thing is that he's bad at doing "mid laner things" like roaming around and generally beasting the early-midgame, while he's very going at doing "solo top" things like farming all day and killing their tower and just beasting everyone once you get your core together, like irelia and nidalee for example do.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
June 16 2011 23:32 GMT
#176
so yea just laned nasus against malzahar mid in my most recent ranked game, 1800-2200 elo game and he was their first pick and i outfarmed him/he couldnt send me back with harass.
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 16 2011 23:49 GMT
#177
On June 17 2011 07:28 Slayer91 wrote:
Actually I think the important thing is that he's bad at doing "mid laner things" like roaming around and generally beasting the early-midgame, while he's very going at doing "solo top" things like farming all day and killing their tower and just beasting everyone once you get your core together, like irelia and nidalee for example do.

Yeah, because having a superslow and armor shred make him a terrible midgame fighter...


even with an underfarmed q, sheen+ e makes q hits like a boss midgame.
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Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 00:08:01
June 17 2011 00:06 GMT
#178
Aw, man... games when I build up 350+ bonus damage on Q are the only reason I play Nasus. I live for moments when early-game monsters like Annie complain in /all that it's not "fair" I can tear down a tower solo in 5 seconds. I gotta wait 30-40 minutes to get that strong and until then I get kited to shit, cry me a river about "fair"...

Only recent game I remember having significant trouble in lane with Nasus was a 2v2 versus Poppy&Maokai with a Kennen lanemate who didn't do much but try to steal my Q lasthits. Once they hit six they could towerdive me whenever Poppy's ult was up, and Maokai's E did a decent job keeping me off the creeps, especially with the threat of Poppy's E. I suppose that's when you just level up E and stay well away from Poppy. I'm low elo tho, so my experience on Nasus' lane viability isn't terribly worth mentioning. I don't really fear anyone 1v1 tho. Maybe Brand, since I'm not very good at dodging his spells yet. But in that case I just pump E and steal lasthits from my tower.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
June 17 2011 00:10 GMT
#179
On June 17 2011 08:49 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 07:28 Slayer91 wrote:
Actually I think the important thing is that he's bad at doing "mid laner things" like roaming around and generally beasting the early-midgame, while he's very going at doing "solo top" things like farming all day and killing their tower and just beasting everyone once you get your core together, like irelia and nidalee for example do.

Yeah, because having a superslow and armor shred make him a terrible midgame fighter...


even with an underfarmed q, sheen+ e makes q hits like a boss midgame.


I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about midgame (time). He was talking about earlygame roaming from mid-lane. Nasus doesn't really support the side lanes with ganks too well.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
June 17 2011 00:13 GMT
#180
On June 17 2011 09:06 Tadzio wrote:
Aw, man... games when I build up 350+ bonus damage on Q are the only reason I play Nasus. I live for moments when early-game monsters like Annie complain in /all that it's not "fair" I can tear down a tower solo in 5 seconds. I gotta wait 30-40 minutes to get that strong and until then I get kited to shit, cry me a river about "fair"...

Only recent game I remember having significant trouble in lane with Nasus was a 2v2 versus Poppy&Maokai with a Kennen lanemate who didn't do much but try to steal my Q lasthits. Once they hit six they could towerdive me whenever Poppy's ult was up, and Maokai's E did a decent job keeping me off the creeps, especially with the threat of Poppy's E. I suppose that's when you just level up E and stay well away from Poppy. I'm low elo tho, so my experience on Nasus' lane viability isn't terribly worth mentioning. I don't really fear anyone 1v1 tho. Maybe Brand, since I'm not very good at dodging his spells yet. But in that case I just pump E and steal lasthits from my tower.


nasus isnt terribly good in duo lanes unless he can get nearly all the farm. i used to think nasus kinda got edged out by other ppl for solo lanes, but now that support+ranged carry bot is such a popular and strong thing nowadays, i think nasus has much better consideration for a solo
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