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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 23:02:30
November 10 2010 00:10 GMT
#1
Nasus, the Curator of the Sands
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Everyone's favorite hard hitting, hard farming, hard pushing, super tank, melee DPS carry dog.

NOTE: Spoilered old OP is very out of date and I'm not in a position to fix it right now. Just check the latest discussion in thread, or better yet ask BroCicero #1 LoL player how he runs the dawg.
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My guide.
Summoner Spells: Cleanse / Ghost

These spells, in conjunction with your naturally high movespeed, make you ungankable early game and inescapable late game. You take cleanse over flash because, while you're trampling the enemy team under your ult, you're bound to take a lot of CC.

Consider teleport if you know you'll be solo top, have your team keep dragon warded so you can show up for the party at any time.

Masteries: 0/9/21

Easy choices, utility tree and SoS are broken and I don't like Dodge.

Runes
Quints: Movespeed
Red: Armor Pen
Yellow: MP5plvl
Blue: MP5plvl

Siphoning Strike is physical and your main damage dealer, hence the arpen. Spirit Fire eats a ton of mana, hence the full mp5 sections. Movespeed quints make for an even faster Nasus.

sidenote: profile stalking reveals LoCicero runs flat armor yellows and quints. The armor will make him significantly tougher in early laning - Nasus' weakest point. I'm considering changing my runes along these lines myself. More on this later.

Skill Order: QEEWER / R>E>Q>W

There's a bit of flexibility here. E wrecks lanes, but you don't want to push hard until you get your first 3 items. Avoid using Spirit Fire at all until it's at least lvl 3 - it eats a ton of mana and doesn't do a whole lot until then. Use your head, if you don't think you'll need a 4th or 5th level of SF soon, get a 2nd or 3rd point for Siphoning Strike to maximize your farming fun.

SS is very low cooldown, undodgeable, procs Sheen/Triforce, works on towers, and refreshes your autoattack. Note that Triforce's 150% bonus doesn't include the +2 per last hit, that's added in after. You still do insane damage, just not INSANE damage.

Wither is a one point wonder and the best slow in the game.

Your ult lets you 1v5 teams or take a fast Baron. The HP boost makes it a handy early escape mechanism or turnaround gank bait. Fury of the Sand's tooltip isn't very clear. Nasus doesn't actually drain life from enemies. He deals AOE magic damage based on 3/4/5% of enemy health, and his attack damage is increased by some amount of this. I haven't actually figured out how much bonus attack he gets. It's a lot. afaik the bonus damage works with Triforce proc.

Item Build
Doran's Shield + Health Pot
Heart of Gold
Sheen
Merc Treads
Randuins/Banshees/Triforce in some order as dictated by the game.

You usually want pure tank outside of Triforce. Nasus can be built DPS but it's simply an inferior setup. He can rack up the kills with nothing more than Sheen, so why not be invincible while you're at it?

Randuins is unbelievably good. It builds from imba HoG. The CDR puts your Q DPS through the roof. Its active will further wreck the team you're already steamrolling with your ult. Banshees is self explanatory. Nasus has the best use for Triforce in the game.

If the game is still going after you finish the big 4, other good items include FoN, Warmogs, Thornmail, Frozen Heart, Ghostblade, Last Whisper, Atmas.

What I don't get: Aegis used to be here. Now I feel it's not cost effective unless your team is coordinated and starts early 5 man roaming/fighting. If you want Aegis that badly, make your Shen/Taric/Janna/Galio/Rammus/whomever spend the 1925. I play a very greedy build that Hyfe would not agree with. I've stopped buying GA since the nerf; I don't think it's worthwhile spending 2600 gold to be revived at <25% health once every five minutes. I never buy Frozen Mallet or Sunfire Cape. Frozen Mallet is expensive, you've already got 3 slows in W/Randuins/Triforce, and Nasus doesn't need that much HP. E/R/other items more than cover whatever Sunfire would give you.

Playstyle
Solo mid, or duo bot if you've got a partner who doesn't need farm. Top isn't ideal imo, you're nowhere near to help with dragon (need teleport), and if you're purple team you can't grab blue buff. If you suspect your opponents of being at least semi-competent, DO NOT 1v2 AS NASUS. You will get zoned, hard. Once upon a time, I found myself consistently laning against people who did not know how to lane. This makes Nasus' life very easy. I thought my dog was a mighty laning machine. That paradigm collapsed around me when I gave up lvl 1 FB to a MF/Jax duo.

With SoS, Dshield, and passive lifesteal, you come to the lane durable. Nasus' problem stems from being unable to answer most harass. I'm guessing this is where Loci's armor runes come into play. You may want a few dedicated flat armor / mres pages if you can predict who you're going up against. Basically, if Nasus can get through the first five levels without getting zoned, he's set.

I don't have enough experience to comment on specific 1v1 matchups. At my ELO I win most lanes simply because my opponents are bad. Just be wary of those who can harass with impunity. Kat, Kennen, and Panth come to mind.

Again, avoid using Spirit Fire early because it eats mana, pushes the lane and is ineffective for harass. Unless they get cocky, you won't be killing anyone in lane without a jungle gank. This is OK, Nasus 'wins' his lane by creeping 3500 gold asap. AFK farm and build your SS until you get HoG+Sheen+Merc. Grab blue buff and push down towers like they're made of cardboard. Nasus can eat dragon very quickly once he gets Sheen. Teamfights are as easy as ABC: Wither their DPS, drop Spirit Fire, pop your ult, and QQQQQ until you score the ace.

There are points in the game where you'll have to decide between sticking with your team or solo pushing. The ideal solo situation is your 4 bros making a scene in bottom/top lane while you push on the other side of the map. If you're farmed, the enemy team will have to send at least 2 people to stop you from taking towers, giving your 4 man group the number advantage in their area. If your team manages to keep all 5 enemies busy, laugh as you solo push all the way to the inhibitor. You have to trust your team not to overcommit to fights they won't win without you.

Because many of Nasus' skills are percentage based, and there's no upper limit to Q's damage, he's one of the best scaling champs in the game. The longer the match runs, the stronger you get. Just keep pushing and farming and dominating teamfights. If the game goes on for an hour and one side has a competent Nasus, that team will almost always win.

Buffs
Nasus is awesome with blue, the skill spam has you melting creeps, towers and champs alike. Red buff is best left to your ranged champs.

Elixirs
Don't have much of a use for these until late late game imo, I save gold for real items.

Jungle
Trolling purposes only. He can't clear creeps quickly until lvl 5 and has a weak gank.



Further reading: check out Hyfe's Comprehensive Guide. I don't agree with his love of Aegis or his advocacy of the 1v2 lane, but hey I'm pretty sure he's a better player than me.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 00:52:23
November 10 2010 00:50 GMT
#2
I'm an aegis fan. It's the most cost effective way of building effective hp in the game outside of stacking hearts of gold, even more so than banshee's veil.

My build is

Doran's Ring/Shield (shield if your lane is gonna be rough, ring is much more powerful on him though)
Get Sheen, Treads and Aegis
Triforce

If the game is going well after this pick up last whisper, if not so well banshee's veil.

Unless they're super heavy on ap or physical I've pretty much stopped varying from this build, it serves me well every time.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Llama
Profile Joined November 2008
United Kingdom69 Posts
November 10 2010 02:25 GMT
#3
On November 10 2010 09:10 myopia wrote:
sidenote: profile stalking reveals LoCicero runs flat armor yellows and quints. The armor will make him significantly tougher in early laning - Nasus' weakest point. I'm considering changing my runes along these lines myself. More on this later.

Taking armor yellows and quints seems like a jungling thing to me; I checked the page and saw it was labelled jungle too. Stacking flat armor makes a lot of sense when 100% of your early damage is going to be physical (as it is in the jungle) but wouldn't hp quints be better in lane? And dodge seals scale better (not that I'd necessarily take those too).
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
November 10 2010 09:31 GMT
#4
Actually Nasus isn't that bad at jungling he hits lvl 4 in about 3,50~ mark only about 20 secs later than Udyr. He also has decent gank imho with wither and ghost and kills dragon fast at lvl 6... that said he isn't nowhere near the best junglers in terms of map control and other important aspects. But yeah.
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
November 11 2010 02:52 GMT
#5
awwwww yeah, Nasus thread.

Yeah jungle nasus is doable but it gimps your siphon strike so hard it's not even desirable. If you get top solo like you should on your team you should have 120+ bonus dmg on your siphon strike by 20 minutes. It's doable vs almost any champ 1v1. The only person I can think of really giving Nasus problems at top is Galio with good mana regen because of his stupid OP spamable slow/gust combo.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
November 11 2010 22:21 GMT
#6
On November 10 2010 18:31 suffeli wrote:
Actually Nasus isn't that bad at jungling he hits lvl 4 in about 3,50~ mark only about 20 secs later than Udyr. He also has decent gank imho with wither and ghost and kills dragon fast at lvl 6... that said he isn't nowhere near the best junglers in terms of map control and other important aspects. But yeah.


I dislike playing Nasus as a jungler personally... but I can't deny how terrifying it is when he comes out of the bushes with wither, exhaust, and red-buff. Just instant FML for anyone he gets near.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 11 2010 22:28 GMT
#7
Surprised no one pointed this out yet....Wither is not a one point wonder what the hell are you smoking?

R>E>W>Q there is no reason to level up Q at all over the others.
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 11 2010 22:36 GMT
#8
the CDR on leveling Q does effectively increase your DPS by quite a bit. But Brees is right, Wither too good.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 22:51:54
November 11 2010 22:39 GMT
#9
Eh you pick nasus to counter tanky melee teams, not to hit with your stick for a couple hundred more damage every couple seconds. I wouldnt even advise sheen/triforce on him anymore as that is not the point of playing him since draft mode came out. randuin's/banshee veil/ 4 random tank items too gud.

if your really rich and really want to get a DPS item he is a pretty good stark's holder. Spirit fire + stark's lowers armor by a flat 70-ish about? thats absurd.
Brees on in
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2010 22:50 GMT
#10
Sheen is ok, probably after your first tank piece or full item. The extra damage is nice during the early levels but then I'd leave it at Sheen until the very 6th item to complete. Rushing Trinity or even building it before you have 3-4 tank items is just stupid.

You have this champion that's a pro initiator with a sick ultimate. But congrats, you made him into some stick beater instead who dies as soon as 4 players focus fire on him.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 11 2010 22:59 GMT
#11
nasus isn't a sick initiator :/
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
November 11 2010 23:01 GMT
#12
he is if you max W earlier than lvl 18

which I don't do because I like hitting things with a stick
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2010 23:03 GMT
#13
Ghost, Wither, buy time for an ally with a stun or a taunt. If the enemy chooses to turn and fight fight, pop your ulti. What's not good initiating with this? He's obviously no bandage + AOE snare but it works.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 23:08:19
November 11 2010 23:07 GMT
#14
I prefer the singed approach to nasus. You calmly sit in the bushes out of sight near a fight or whatever and wait for somebody to make a mistake or your real tank to initiate(nasus is best used as an off tank) then you come ghosting in from behind and flank the shit out of them and just rage all over their withered carry until they run and then you just shit on the people that got initiated on

replace wither with fling and thats basically singed for you

both push lanes

both steroid ults

zz
Brees on in
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2010 23:11 GMT
#15
On November 12 2010 08:01 myopia wrote:
he is if you max W earlier than lvl 18

which I don't do because I like hitting things with a stick


I invest 2 points into Q then max W after E. The full snare effect does more in a team fight than the extra 60 damage between a level 2 vs a level 5 Q.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2010 23:14 GMT
#16
On November 12 2010 08:07 Brees wrote:
I prefer the singed approach to nasus. You calmly sit in the bushes out of sight near a fight or whatever and wait for somebody to make a mistake or your real tank to initiate(nasus is best used as an off tank) then you come ghosting in from behind and flank the shit out of them and just rage all over their withered carry until they run and then you just shit on the people that got initiated on

replace wither with fling and thats basically singed for you

both push lanes

both steroid ults

zz


Probably most ideal, you're right Brees. But I've been talking to Uta a lot the past 2 days and his team direly needs some sort of competent initiator. Amumu and Galio are the most derp derp ones but they're also fairly frequently banned. Malphite feels a little out of touch, so I recommended Nasus.

The less frequently you have to blow your Ghost and Wither to chase, the better. But it's still not a terribly bad option to do so in order to initiate. But pro baiting is always fun.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 11 2010 23:15 GMT
#17
On November 12 2010 08:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 08:07 Brees wrote:
I prefer the singed approach to nasus. You calmly sit in the bushes out of sight near a fight or whatever and wait for somebody to make a mistake or your real tank to initiate(nasus is best used as an off tank) then you come ghosting in from behind and flank the shit out of them and just rage all over their withered carry until they run and then you just shit on the people that got initiated on

replace wither with fling and thats basically singed for you

both push lanes

both steroid ults

zz


Probably most ideal, you're right Brees. But I've been talking to Uta a lot the past 2 days and his team direly needs some sort of competent initiator. Amumu and Galio are the most derp derp ones but they're also fairly frequently banned. Malphite feels a little out of touch, so I recommended Nasus.

The less frequently you have to blow your Ghost and Wither to chase, the better. But it's still not a terribly bad option to do so in order to initiate. But pro baiting is always fun.


they also seemed to need a jungler so jungle rammus imo
Brees on in
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2010 23:17 GMT
#18
On November 12 2010 08:15 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 08:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 12 2010 08:07 Brees wrote:
I prefer the singed approach to nasus. You calmly sit in the bushes out of sight near a fight or whatever and wait for somebody to make a mistake or your real tank to initiate(nasus is best used as an off tank) then you come ghosting in from behind and flank the shit out of them and just rage all over their withered carry until they run and then you just shit on the people that got initiated on

replace wither with fling and thats basically singed for you

both push lanes

both steroid ults

zz


Probably most ideal, you're right Brees. But I've been talking to Uta a lot the past 2 days and his team direly needs some sort of competent initiator. Amumu and Galio are the most derp derp ones but they're also fairly frequently banned. Malphite feels a little out of touch, so I recommended Nasus.

The less frequently you have to blow your Ghost and Wither to chase, the better. But it's still not a terribly bad option to do so in order to initiate. But pro baiting is always fun.


they also seemed to need a jungler so jungle rammus imo


Dizzle likes WW so I think they're leaning towards him, I honestly don't think any of them have jungle rammus besides for the lolz. But you're right, Rammus would fit their niche ezpz.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 23:30:21
November 11 2010 23:29 GMT
#19
On November 12 2010 08:15 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2010 08:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 12 2010 08:07 Brees wrote:
I prefer the singed approach to nasus. You calmly sit in the bushes out of sight near a fight or whatever and wait for somebody to make a mistake or your real tank to initiate(nasus is best used as an off tank) then you come ghosting in from behind and flank the shit out of them and just rage all over their withered carry until they run and then you just shit on the people that got initiated on

replace wither with fling and thats basically singed for you

both push lanes

both steroid ults

zz


Probably most ideal, you're right Brees. But I've been talking to Uta a lot the past 2 days and his team direly needs some sort of competent initiator. Amumu and Galio are the most derp derp ones but they're also fairly frequently banned. Malphite feels a little out of touch, so I recommended Nasus.

The less frequently you have to blow your Ghost and Wither to chase, the better. But it's still not a terribly bad option to do so in order to initiate. But pro baiting is always fun.


they also seemed to need a jungler so jungle rammus imo

I have been saying this for god knows how long but the team seems to insist we need someone better than Rammus at Dragoning... SIGH

also, both Turkey and Utah used to play a lot of jungle rammus. We also somehow got utah convinced that we need shen or something and I feel like as we transition back to him on kass and me on Panth we no longer need that mobility and instead need a Tank with either more damage or better initiation bot.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 11 2010 23:49 GMT
#20
Uta Kass or Anivia, and takes top solo. Red mid. Who else can you play besides Panth and Kennen? Dizzle wants to jungle, so you'll have to fight him for it. Turkey can play healbot Janna or Taric (Sona if somehow not banned).

Shen is awful for your team. I vetoed it (lolz, cause I have a say, right? :D) cause he doesn't nothing in the sense of initiation. He's a secondary tank, kinda like Nasus or Singed cause he needs to have someone to ulti on.

I think I concluded with starting all your team fights (at least for now) with Ashe arrow followed by Nasus ghost in and raping shit. Sona would fit in pro with her E.
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