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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 17 2011 00:15 GMT
#181
I was too. I consider early game any time before level 4 and the first jungle gank. After that your in midgame. Its just at convention that I have.

No one roams before then. Nasus can do it just as well after given he will have the full compliment of his skills.

In fact, compared to others, Nasus can do it better. His slow is on a lowish cd, highly reliable, and is almost guaranteed to get a kill with proper focus. Given the fact that his regen allows him to stay in lane almost indefinitely, Id say nasus can do a mid game roam better than most.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 17 2011 01:04 GMT
#182
On June 17 2011 07:06 zalz wrote:
But what if the enemy just plays it proper? His lifesteal doesn't do much when each time you go for a last-hit the enemy proceeds to take off 20% off your HP.

Nasus needs to hit a minion to kill it. That might seem very normal but when you think about it it's actually pretty rare that a champion has to physically walk over and melee-hit champions as his only way of farming.

Nasus isn't quik, he can't blink, he doesn't have anything to let him move around. If you go to hit a minion then the enemy can fuck you over hard.

I really don't see how Nasus can lane against a strong or even a decent laner considering how hard you get punished every time you try to get a Q, let alone if you try to farm outside of that with auto-atacks.

His lifesteal really doesn't help him at all on the lane. Every time you try to take advantage of it the enemy will punish you so hard that you are forced to leave. Eventually your hp gets so low that you can't even cross the walk-up (Nothing > enemy minions) without being killed on the way there.

Some champions can even stand at a safe distance whilst Nasus goes insanely into their range. Ezreal for example. When Nasus isn't even close to Ezreal he is easily within 3 auto atacks and 2 Q's worth of range in the time that he walks up and back from the minion lane.


I really don't feel that Nasus works against players that know he can't fight back for the most part.


negative to all above points, ghostrider
>if you're getitng pushed off the creeps SO hard that a single Q won't regen your harass taken, then
- build more defensively (i.e. i run armor yellows and mr blues, and a mix of HP and MS quints)
- max E instead, E a creepwave, walk to safety as the creeps melt

>nasus is actually extremely fast, and while he doesn't have a blink, he's got what amounts to a 5 second stun in wither, which is better than a blink in a 1v1 situation

>seriously, just get better is all i can say at this point. i don't know what you're doing wrong but there are several ways that you can negate harass:
- are you facing a skill-shot champion? approach the enemy creeps from behind your creepwave. ezreal's Q cannot hit you through creeps, boom, now ezreal's not a problem.
- are you facing a champion like caitlyn who can attack through creeps? dodge the SS or again approach from inside the creep wave so she's forced to push it.
- are you facing a champion with a farm skill like puddle? stay away from your creeps at all times so she has to decide whether to farm or harass with puddle. when it's on CD you're safe to snag a last hit or 2.
- are you trying to Q an enemy creep when your wave consists of only 1 creep and they've got 7? don't. you're a melee champ, you're going to take a ton of creep aggro and champ harass for that. play better.
- is your lane opponent sitting inside the creep wave or zoning you? call for a gank... KS the last hit with Q, +3 damage baby!
- if all of the above aren't working, delay your triforce for a defensive item first. grab a negatron or a chainmail with your first 750 and all of the sudden their harass will be much less effective. if they force you out of lane with 200 gold just buy 6 pots and now boom you can outlast anything and farm your triforce in 7 minutes
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BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
June 17 2011 01:21 GMT
#183
On June 17 2011 06:33 Brees wrote:
1-8-21

ghost/exhaust

armor pen/flat armor/flat mr for runes

health regen+hp pot start

Q/W/Q/E

hit things and watch as you regen any harass they can muster.

I run this but still, morde/corki/malz harass me too hard if I try to get every last hit. Tips?
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 03:21:51
June 17 2011 03:20 GMT
#184
On June 17 2011 10:21 BouBou.865 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:33 Brees wrote:
1-8-21

ghost/exhaust

armor pen/flat armor/flat mr for runes

health regen+hp pot start

Q/W/Q/E

hit things and watch as you regen any harass they can muster.

I run this but still, morde/corki/malz harass me too hard if I try to get every last hit. Tips?


morde beats nasus, corki and malz i dont really know what to say except practice, these champs should give you no problem unless corki gets a crit at lvl 1-2 or something, they simply dont do enough damage/clear creeps fast enough to push your tower

try to stick to last hittng the melee minions as they have more hp to lifesteal off of and if they harass you from those they will get aggro'd, caster creeps should either be spirit fired if there in a large mob build up or go in for the last hit if you have superior creep numbers
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 17 2011 03:24 GMT
#185
To be fair, Morde beats everyone in lane 1v1.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 21 2011 16:37 GMT
#186
On June 17 2011 12:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
To be fair, Morde beats everyone in lane 1v1.

Pretty sure ramble and worwix beat him at least.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
June 21 2011 16:40 GMT
#187
Lies
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 16:44:25
June 21 2011 16:43 GMT
#188
On June 22 2011 01:37 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 12:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
To be fair, Morde beats everyone in lane 1v1.

Pretty sure ramble and worwix beat him at least.


What about iralia or jarman?

EDIT : Stupid iPod autocorrect tried to change jarman into Karnak and Harlan.
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
June 21 2011 16:43 GMT
#189
How is WW supposed to beat him? His Q doesn't heal off shields. Maybe if you somehow manage to fuck him up early and denie him from the brush with Q without him being able to generate shields but otherwise I can't imagine it.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
June 21 2011 16:44 GMT
#190
Well wait a few days and WW Q will heal off of shields, lol.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 21 2011 16:47 GMT
#191
Oh, well right now you just Q creeps and farm up while ignoring him and then call for ganks when he pushes and then rape him. I guess healing off shields might change something about it.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 21 2011 16:51 GMT
#192
Amumu beats Morde.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 21 2011 17:48 GMT
#193
On June 22 2011 01:51 Southlight wrote:
Amumu beats Morde.


I just.....I don't even. I added your solo lanemumu to the thread and everything and I STILL don't even.
It doesn't seem physically possible to me, even with a Philostone, especially if Morde has regen as well.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
June 21 2011 18:13 GMT
#194
you haven't seen the magic
Amumu takes 0 creepdamage, so he can fight morde in Morde's creepwave instead of in his creepwave where morde is strong. He also does a LOT of damage with tantrum, and he can stun morde (disables are a big deal against morde, since that's a few seconds when he can't generate shield).
There aren't many people that mumu loses to, actually.
Oh wait this is the nasus thread wtf
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 21 2011 18:20 GMT
#195
Nasus thread so I don't wanna get too into it but as long as you get a PStone (so you don't run out of mana) his W DoT > Mord. Similar issue with Sion, whose shield gets plunked down by Amumu before exploding. Amumu loses to most ranged spellcasters though because they can kite and nuke him from afar, especially if they have good sustain (Ryze, Vlad, TF, etc.)
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
June 21 2011 18:48 GMT
#196
On June 22 2011 01:47 Mogwai wrote:
Oh, well right now you just Q creeps and farm up while ignoring him and then call for ganks when he pushes and then rape him. I guess healing off shields might change something about it.


In my experience he can outdamage your Q at earlier levels if he just spams his shit. And you don't really can stop him from pushing to your tower, so the only way to win against is with some good jungle ganks.
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