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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On February 08 2011 16:04 BouBou.865 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2011 09:40 Juicyfruit wrote:
Putting shen solotop vs Olaf is just dumb. I know it's dumb, but I don't even play ranked yet. It was more of a hypothetical situation, because from experience I know that Shen is incredible in lane versus melee champs, and I didn't see how Olaf (with my mana problems) would be able to stop him from last hitting everything. Gtrs, I'll get Mana/5 yellows. Flat, or per level? Or should my first buy be Apen reds?
Per level, flat MP5 are generally useless. Also, consider Mana/5 glyphs, they are now only a tad weaker and the blue slot is in generally the weakest of all so there are not too many good alternatives.
As for APen reds, take them, they are foolproof and work on almost anyone. These are the runes you will need anyway for a wide variety of champions.
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MP5/lvl seals now pass flat ones at lvl 7. For duo laners who level slowly, flat MP5 is now somewhat interesting, also some champs who try to win the lane at the first few levels. MP5/lvl was just taken all the time because they already passed the flat ones at lvl 5.
MP5 glyphs are now even weaker, I wouldn't get them unless you can't use your seals for the mana regen. MRes/lvl is the allrounder for the glyph slot.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On February 08 2011 21:20 spinesheath wrote:
MP5/lvl seals now pass flat ones at lvl 7. For duo laners who level slowly, flat MP5 is now somewhat interesting, also some champs who try to win the lane at the first few levels. MP5/lvl was just taken all the time because they already passed the flat ones at lvl 5.
MP5 glyphs are now even weaker, I wouldn't get them unless you can't use your seals for the mana regen. MRes/lvl is the allrounder for the glyph slot.
I would argue that flat MRes is much better than MRes/18 in many many cases. They break even at level 10 and you often benefit from MRes more before that, not after. Anyway, both are dirt cheap so it's easy to have a set of each.
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I just realised that Olaf isn't exactly a top pick in Solo Queue. Is it still worth playing Olaf, or should I just roll Xin Zhao instead? How viable is Olaf really?
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Olaf's nerfs hit pretty hard but he's still a bit of a beast.
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Okay. Something I realised: midgame I am able to gank quite well, and I actually haven't ended a game with less than 3:1 K/D. Big problem though; I can't with it through the early game well. I either die once too often, I don't do enough dps, and I can't safely keep them from farming.
Will T3 runes help with this a lot? I feel like I am too flimsy at the moment to jungle.
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That's the thing with Olaf - you are bad-ish (not horrible but not that great) earlygame, AWESOME midgame (lvl 9+, when your E rapes so hard it's not even funny), then when enemies get more hp you go from godmode to "normalmode" and then the longer the game lasts the more you come back into "godmode 1v3 np"
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His ganks on lanes is fairly mediocre, although if they're overextended he can. The best thing for him to do is to river-cross and start messing with enemy jungler since red-blue buffed olaf is invincible. This will help your lanes by forcing enemies to pull away to help, but if you play olaf right they won't be able to kill you.
Kinda hard to explain, but try to keep the enemy team from achieving any meaningful objectives by disrupting the jungler 1v1. Olaf's terribad in early teamfights since he's not tanky enough to actually do any damage before being focused, yet has nothing to contribute unless he goes face-first. Also let your team know that you do NOT want to start a teamfight with your harass, unless you are absolutely confident that your team is stronger, since you yourself isn't going to be super helpful unless they're completely out of position and/or your team has strong initiation.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
lol you guys are crazy, olaf has one of the best level 1s in the game. A level one move that can doublehit(glitch or not) and probably be cast twice in short succession, plus increasing attack speed as you lower in hp?
you'd be hard pressed to find many champs that can take olaf at level 1. hes really not that weak at any part of the game, unless you jungle. then hes very vulnerable when you only have wriggle's/boots until you get your first tank item
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Well you have a point, can't argue with Axespam. I wrote his early game is "weak" because i don't play lane Olaf, only jungle with him (it's REALLY hard to lane with a champ that everyone considers a jungler at low elo, unless you don't mind being dodged a lot)
BTW all this talk about Olaf made me play him a moment ago. At lvl 10 i had a fight vs tiger udyr in his jungle and damn, he got raped sooooooooo hard. I always considered tigerdyr to be powerful 1v1er but wow... Regaining my love for Olaf ;x
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I dont really subscribe to the whole he has weak times, so you shouldnt play him. He is the jungle. All your gold is free. If i can go in and chase around a carry hard enough to justify them wasting all of their shit on me and killing me in a team fight, I consider that a win. If im tanky enough to live through it? Even better. His ulti allows him to pick a target and make sure they are going to have problems the whole fight, and not get cc'd.
Its not like olaf can push particularly well, so dying in a teamfight isnt the worst thing in the world, imo.
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Olaf is such a bullshit 1v1 champ. I don't think anyone can beat him 1v1 because of how fucking imba his passive + reckless swings is.
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On February 09 2011 07:10 Mogwai wrote:
Olaf is such a bullshit 1v1 champ. I don't think anyone can beat him 1v1 because of how fucking imba his passive + reckless swings is.
Nasus
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
Yeah. Nasus destroys Olaf.
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olaf crushes nasus what are you talking about
E doesn't get creep aggro
he comes up to SS, you hit E, he loses 1/5 of his health
he has to max E to get last hits, which pushes the lane which makes it easier to zone with Q and E
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On February 09 2011 07:12 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 07:10 Mogwai wrote:
Olaf is such a bullshit 1v1 champ. I don't think anyone can beat him 1v1 because of how fucking imba his passive + reckless swings is. Nasus
I don't believe this.
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On February 09 2011 06:59 Two_DoWn wrote:
I dont really subscribe to the whole he has weak times, so you shouldnt play him. He is the jungle. All your gold is free. If i can go in and chase around a carry hard enough to justify them wasting all of their shit on me and killing me in a team fight, I consider that a win. If im tanky enough to live through it? Even better. His ulti allows him to pick a target and make sure they are going to have problems the whole fight, and not get cc'd.
Its not like olaf can push particularly well, so dying in a teamfight isnt the worst thing in the world, imo.
Noone said anything about "he has weak times so you shouldn't play him". Each champ has a time in game when they time and a time when they don't
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like, even super late theory game, wouldn't an Olaf with maxed CDR off of Omen + Frozen Heart + Runes rape everything silly with his stupid IMBA E alone?
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Anyone explain Undertow bug? Heard people crying about it.
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