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kongoline
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
And now we have a new patch on the PBE. Speaking of Poppy and her stupid damage, there it goes! | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 24 2016 04:05 Slusher wrote: it just really bothers me, guy goes unplayed, resurfaces as a situational counter pick, and they nerf him. bad balance imo The only reason he wasn't nerfed before is because he wasn't massively picked. Riot has a track record of letting poorly balanced things be when they aren't popular. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
lmao that tiny ahri buff, still its so unbelievable how riot is so biased towards certain champions | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 24 2016 06:47 Osmoses wrote: God no, I'd take Fiora over Riven any day. And now we have a new patch on the PBE. Speaking of Poppy and her stupid damage, there it goes! Riven is non-linear and highly dependent on making plays. She scales up only if she wins lane. And even if she wins lane she can lose game to a tank due to team composition issues. Her problem has always been that many champions in top lane are extremely linear and uni-directional. They have ways in, but they do not have ways out, and their way in is in a straight line and its also their way out if they have it. Champions like this have very binary win conditions. Either they go in and then they're stronger and they win. Or they go in and they're weaker and they lose. Champions like this, as tanks, have purpose, because they are there to have their team behind them. Once a linear champion wins against another linear champion they win forever. They were already stronger and they got stronger again. Non-linear champions are not locked into this play pattern. They can outplay others and they can be outplayed. This is a very good thing. Fiora, with her non-targeted dash and invulnerability is pretty good on this point. But she is still, more or less, a bundle of stats compared to riven. | ||
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kongoline
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 25 2016 06:09 kongoline wrote: i've seen riven get shit on in lane still come back later, in fact i used to main olaf s5 played vs plenty of riven who had 0 idea how to play vs me and get dominated in lane still managed to roam with their superior mobility/no mana combined with burst and cc lock potential which lets her to make plays better than most champions, eventually item scaling makes her win vs me no matter how hard i was ahead s5 and s6 Riven are very different things. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Actually the resistances bonus on his dash is basically "Look, either you dodge a skillshot, and it doesn't do much, or it's point'n'click and then 0K, it's good and you take less damage." Geez. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 25 2016 06:09 kongoline wrote: i've seen riven get shit on in lane still come back later, in fact i used to main olaf s5 played vs plenty of riven who had 0 idea how to play vs me and get dominated in lane still managed to roam with their superior mobility/no mana combined with burst and cc lock potential which lets her to make plays better than most champions, eventually item scaling makes her win vs me no matter how hard i was ahead Well riven is a non-linaer champion, so she has that ability to make plays when she is behind. Olaf is a linear champion. Once he has lost he has lost forever. Against another linear champion, if he wins, he wins forever. For melee champions i prefer non-linear design, because it makes it more fun to play with and against (though i am pretty sure i am terrible at riven). With Olaf its just "oh he is ahead and he ulted and now i lose because there is nothing i can do". And its the same kind of way with most melee champions like that. With riven i can time an exhaust, an interrupt, a silence. I can body block, predict her movements, etc etc. And for that i think she is one of the best developed "melee carries". Along with Zed, Fizz, and to a lesser extent, Yasuo and Ekko. I wouldn't be opposed to giving her a resource if that was necessary, but the overall play structure is good. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Gahlo
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
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Gahlo
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Seuss
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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