[Public Beta Environment] General Discussion

On August 06 2015 00:38 justiceknight wrote:
so morde can control dragon and ult 1 character to make the fight 7v4?

On August 06 2015 00:40 Ryuu314 wrote:

you can only control one at a time.

if you ult an enemy champ and get the ghost, but then your team goes and takes dragon, you get the dragon ghost while the champion ghost disappears.


The biggest problem I have with Skarner is that his stats were slashed really hard across the board in exchange for the crystal spires passive, which makes him incredibly weaker when not fighting at those specific locations. On top of that, the fact that the enemy can capture spires for gold and vision, while also locking you out of the spires makes Skarner an active detriment to his team simply by being in the game.

On August 06 2015 02:35 Zess wrote:
Seems like a low elo crutch, where regen out of combat is the most useful, since your team isn't coordinated / not intuitively on the same page enough to time recalls.

On August 06 2015 00:45 Gahlo wrote:

They want to try out Mordekaiser as their guinea pig for replacing an ADC in the duo lane with a melee character.

Game mechanics aside, I think the dragon ghost is hype as fuck.

On August 06 2015 10:30 Gahlo wrote:

Obviously. I just think the lamenting of opponent bonuses is hyperbolic considering how small they are compared to how big a benefit Skarner gets from them.

On August 06 2015 02:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
the only thing that warmogs change actually affects is like soraka. taking damage from healing people doesnt count as taking damage right?

it was a borderline buy before now I think warmogs would be mandatory on soraka with that

besides that 8 seconds is an eternity in league, wont do anything for you in teamfights and such as a tank/bruiser which is what I expect its geared at

On August 06 2015 11:41 Slusher wrote:
buffing spray and pray is nice and all but that part of his game is already strong, his lane phase is still terrible due to having 1 damage ability and being tied for the lowest base ad of all adc

On August 06 2015 11:20 Gahlo wrote:

In the vast majority of jungle matchups he straight up wins fights. The AS and MS means he'll win those fights faster, be able to chase people down, or run away if he can't win for some reason.

On August 07 2015 10:01 Gahlo wrote:

You couldn't be more wrong.

On August 07 2015 12:23 cLutZ wrote:
That just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of pro play by you.

On August 07 2015 13:03 Sonnington wrote:
Corki I understand. He has wicked waveclear and strong poke to complement the poke. He's also really safe. Viktor on the other hand I don't particularly get. I understand what you're saying Goumindong. But If Viktor is ok to play mid, so should Malzahar. Than again, Faker's never played Malz, so... ahem, I agree overall, I don't see Viktor being overly strong and in need of nerfs considering his performance in solo queue and recent competitive play.

On August 07 2015 12:57 cLutZ wrote:
You just described a strong competitive champion. Dade used to do all those things in champion select with Ziggs, Zed, etc early picks to give the rest of his team pick/ban advantages. You also neglected to say how strong he is against Ezreal and Kassadin, and how he crowds out a large % of Ap mids by being as good at their niches, without commiserate disadvantages.

On August 07 2015 13:31 NeoIllusions wrote:
l0l at some of you guys. I won't say much about pre-rework Viktor but current Viktor is strong as balls. Great wave clear, solid team fight and poke, and ridiculous burst (allow me to stress this last point).

I'm not sure he warrants any nerfs but he's definitely in a very good place right now, obv so consider his pick status in the pro scene right now. Those of you that don't think Viktor is good just haven't played with/against a competent Viktor imo.

On August 07 2015 15:56 NeoIllusions wrote:
Now I know you're talking out of your ass.

Solo queue, I've seen plenty of Viktors hard carry solo q at low/mid Diamond with all his previously mentioned strengths. I don't know what elo you normally play at, but maybe you just haven't seen many. Ok, np.

But when you want to spout nonsense that has evidence against the contrary, I'm just going to outright call you bad and you should just stop shitposting for the sake of keeping our GD sensible.

LCK Week 12
SKT T1 bans Viktor both games against Samsung
KT vs IM, Nagne plays Viktor all three matches. He fucking hard carries in Game 1 (443 CS in 43 min game, 8-2-6 stat line). Game 2, he can't carry KT, despite having second most gold in the game and most kills. Game 3, he still does respectably.
LCK Week 11
Jin Air vs SBENU, Viktor picked all three matches, on winning team each game.
SKT T1, vs IM, Easyhoon picks Viktor both matches and trololols all over the place
NaJin vs Samsung, Ggoong also double Viktor in two matches ftw.

You can click on the links for the rest of the LCK play days yourself and you'll see resounding evidence that not only is Viktor a solid (read: good) pick but he's been raised to ban tier in Korea. If all the picks+bans and outstanding stat lines for Viktor on winning teams isn't enough to convince you he's good, you need to pull your head out of the sand.

It's one thing to think Viktor isn't that strong (I personally do not think he warrants nerfs yet. Riot plz don't kneejerk) but it's a completely different to take the stance that Viktor is somehow kind of weak.

If you somehow still think Viktor is trash tier, plz provide some kind of support other than your personal opinion. thx~

Edit: idk how Viktor is doing in LPL. I can check later.
But if LCS Viktors are shitting up the champion's stat line, chalk it up to white people being white people. (please see: LCS Rengar)

On August 07 2015 21:27 IamPryda wrote:
From a solo q stand point what exactly is Viktor missing in your opinion.
By my accounts he has the following going for him
Safe to blind pick
Early lane bully
Great wave clear
Blue dependency is average
Good burst at level 6
Good zoning at dragons.
Strong late game damage.
Do I think he needs a nerf no but is he currently one of the strongest mid laners and a borderline outlier not azir tier but close enough

On August 08 2015 06:00 Seuss wrote:
I don't understand your complaint. You can get to your opponent just as well as before, and now you can pull them further from safety. You may not always want to, but sometimes you certainly will. Plus you get to stun more often and get movement/attack speed whenever you do.

I don't see any downside here.

On August 08 2015 06:00 Seuss wrote:
I don't understand your complaint. You can get to your opponent just as well as before, and now you can pull them further from safety. You may not always want to, but sometimes you certainly will. Plus you get to stun more often and get movement/attack speed whenever you do.

I don't see any downside here.

On August 08 2015 06:07 Goumindong wrote:


He is saying that the ideal buff would be to boost Skarners move speed before he ulted so that he could more easily ult.

On August 08 2015 07:05 iCanada wrote:


He's saying it makes his ganks less scary cuz now he runs slow when he gets to lane instead of zoom zoom with W.

On August 08 2015 07:46 Sonnington wrote:
Oh, I was under the impression they removed his W speed boost along with his Q and -15 off of base in exchange for the MS he gets from the shrines. Well, looks like I was wrong about the W. In that case, these are ridiculously large buffs. Something has to give.

Volibear
Thunder Claws (R) [new effect] now strikes up to 4 near by enemies for 75/115/115 (+.3 AP) on the initial cast. [video preview]

On August 12 2015 04:59 Zess wrote:
2225 magic damage before resists off of the new Morde Q proc is pretty lulz:
http://gfycat.com/WelltodoVigorousHeron

Not sure how I feel about the Morde rework. On the one hand, League needs to have more polarizing champions, because there are so little of them right now with everyone having roughly the same scaling (so the "hard" scales just scale a bit harder than the "not so hard" scalers) and power curves.

On the other hand, the League ecosystem is really unfit for binary champions because everything else has spent so much balance time predicated on normalized ratios / cooldowns / items.

On August 16 2015 06:15 Gahlo wrote:

Why would it be last? All they're doing is ADDING a chain lightning on cast. They aren't removing previous effects.

On August 16 2015 14:44 Gahlo wrote:

a) No, they didn't. That is an added effect, shown by the updated tooltip of


As opposed to(from the wiki)
Active: For 12 seconds, Volibear's basic attacks deal bonus magic damage that bounces to up to 3 nearby unaffected enemies.

Bonus Magic Damage: 75 / 115 / 155 (+ 30% AP)

It is literally just a free chain lightning for turning on the ult and is a straight up buff regardless of the fact that...

b) Simple fact checking over at RoG confirms that it is a typ of 115 at 3rd rank instead of 155.

Thornmail
Cost increased to 2300 from 2100.
Passive: Now reflects [15% of pre-mitigation damage and 25% of your bonus Armor.] instead of [30% pre-mitigation damage]

On August 17 2015 13:50 Gahlo wrote:

You can't "not count" it. That isn't how it works.

On August 17 2015 14:15 Gahlo wrote:

What?

Old: 800 * 1.25 = 1000
New:870 * 1.15 = 1000.5

70 is not 10%

On August 17 2015 15:26 obesechicken13 wrote:
70 is not 10%
Huh... Well that's embarrassing to be wrong twice in the last few posts.

On August 17 2015 17:19 739 wrote:
Lissandra
Frozen Tomb (R) [new effect] Self Cast now also heals Lissandra for 100/150/200 + [(.3 AP)%], increased for 1% for each 1% health she is missing.

Is this gonna make Lissandra meta again?

On August 17 2015 19:30 Uldridge wrote:


What are you talking about dude..
The moment you buy the item, the maths are applied. So, no, you can't add it later.

Also, what's wrong with his post?
You need 870 bonus health from items (so 870 - the 400 from cinderhulk) to get to 1000 bonus health in total.
His calculations are actually correct. Mostly because it's pretty basic maths that you fail to recognize or accept for some weird reason.

On August 17 2015 23:36 Alaric wrote:
I'm not saying they'll disappear and you'll start seeing Jax top or something, but rather that they're still nerfed, while you seems to say the contrary.
Which makes me wonder how Titanic Hydra would fare on Jax, considering how his ult's active works and the buff received. It's probably less EHP gain than ulting before the burst that'll activate the shield and buff, though, and Jax needs BotRK anyway to stick to ranged opponents.

On August 17 2015 13:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'm not counting the health that cinderhulk itself grants because that makes the math too wonky.

Cinderhulk is going from 300->400 health

A 100 health increase.

The bonus is going down from 25% to 15%, a 10% decrease.

10% of 1000 is 100.

On August 18 2015 14:41 Osmoses wrote:
Guess the Project teaser was for 5 skins, not just one.

www.surrenderat20.net

My guesses are

Leona, Lucian, Zed, Fiora

On August 19 2015 03:23 Gahlo wrote:

Xin is a guy, top left can't be him.

On August 19 2015 03:28 Ansibled wrote:

It says the opposite of that?

On August 19 2015 03:34 cLutZ wrote:


Changes but not a rework.

Hopefully it will be plant AI and increased E missile speed, possibly with the tradeoff of a narrower hitbox.

On August 19 2015 03:29 Gahlo wrote:

In languages that force gender specification, it lists it as female.

On August 19 2015 05:14 Sonnington wrote:


Phew. They should really rework Brand or something. Leave Zyra alone.

I don't think they can change her E hitbox; it's already tiny and slow moving. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say better plant AI and reduced AA range. Either that or they'll buff her MS and call it a day.

On August 19 2015 22:54 gobbledydook wrote:
Zyra E is basically morg Q on steroids...The only problem is she doesn't bring enough utility for how squishy she is.

On August 19 2015 22:57 Prog wrote:


Hell no. Zyra E is super slow, roots for a very short time and the cast animation is terrible.

On August 20 2015 00:25 Sonnington wrote:


It's actually not much slower than a Morg Q. It's just the cast animation is much, much longer. The hitbox is also really small. Probably about the size of a Lux Q.

You know what, making her passive cast faster after death would make a huge difference in reliability. We're all thinking they're going to buff her, which I'm hoping for, but what if they decide she does too much damage because she has too much utility?

On August 20 2015 02:28 cLutZ wrote:

She doesn't have much utility and what she has is fairly unreliable. Just looking at the meta she should more damage than Azir and at least as much as Viktor.

On August 20 2015 03:23 Sonnington wrote:

I think you mean to say she should have more damage? According to champion.gg she's the 4th highest damage dealer among mids. Third highest among supports. At level 6, if you full combo the enemy with ignite they'll die or come extremely close to dying.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Middle&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend

Her E is unreliable, but her plants spawned by E apply a slow on every hit. Then her ult is a good counter engage or followup to landing an E. At the very least it creates a large area of zone control. You also have to consider her plants as zone control in and of themselves. Especially once she gets a Rylai's and starts applying slows on her longer range Q plants.

You know what would be a super sick buff to Zyra? If they reduced the time it took her R to close and knock enemies up. You wouldn't have to put so many points into E in order to hold them in place to combo them.

On August 20 2015 03:56 cLutZ wrote:


I meant she need to have really sick damage, but those stats are kind of meaningless because not all damage is equal. The faster ult close would be good because it could actually be used offensively then, but that would be very strong.

On August 21 2015 04:15 Alaric wrote:
"We are open to build diversity but fuck bruiser Fizz."

On August 21 2015 04:38 Slusher wrote:
they coulda just taken physical damage amp off of his ult, nerfing w on top of it is a little overkill, the silver lining here is mid Fizz maxes w last so at that point the higher ratio should make up for the damage lost, not sure top Fizz is even approaching good with significantly reduced base damage on his first max..

I know I'll get some pushback here but the only thing 'op' about ad Fizz was the burst damage from Bork active and sheen getting amped by ult, without that I really don't think top Fizz is any more op than any of the other playable top triforce carries.

tl;dr top Fizz probly dead if these are the final changes, should not effect mid Fizz at least(though I think Mid FIzz is pretty middle of the pack if you aren't counterpicking atm).

On August 21 2015 09:00 Harem wrote:

W max second isnt that uncommon for mid fizz. For example, when Westdoor played it vs Fnatic, he did it.

Man, those Syndra buffs feel nice. I mean yeah she still basically does no damage until level 6 and then 9. (especially vs people who open flask and W can do damage but Syndra is incredibly mana gated) but now her lategame scaling isnt actually that bad for once as she used to fall off. Can't waitttttt

On August 21 2015 09:52 Slusher wrote:


Westdoor has always done W early he's known for it actually

On August 21 2015 11:55 Gahlo wrote:

They've been trying to make Syndra a thing again for a while now by fixing bugs. Guess they finally decided they need to put some hard buffs in.

2: Bug City
Not one of Syndra's ability's ISN'T bugged or impacting her in some capacity. Right off the top of my head, I can count 7 or 8 still affecting her years later, and more still. You can find my entire list over HERE.
Basically, here's the quick and skinny:
Q damage is dislocated sometimes (it will not hit in rare situations)
W throw breaks if CC'd (grabbing/throwing animation [before flight] breaks the ability if CC'd in the animation)
W damage hitbox dislocated (it will frequently just not hit the impact zone, sometimes up to 80%)
W auto-throws by itself (simply issuing the grab command triggers a throw command instantly, you cannot hold an object)
E+Q combo doesn't stun (largely fixed in 5.13, but can still occur under edge situations)
E will not hit max range Q's (E will randomly decide not to hit a max range casted Q, even though it was designed to.)
E will not knockback enemies, often when they use mobility (ever watch a Gragas slide right through knockback? or Lee Sin too? )
R frame desyncs Syndra when she fires it (this one varies, but Syndra's model will skip and desync all over the world for a few seconds. I don't know if this affects her hitbox, but it's very difficult to move her around when this happens).
There's a couple more I'm still researching, but you get the idea. All of these impact her performance by reducing the reliability of her spells. A big reason she wasn't picked before Patch 5.13 was because her stun had a 40-50% chance of breaking, outright, and not working. No one wants to invest into a champion where their skills just decide to not work - logically, it's an insane risk to take. Unless You're Azir Kappa

On August 21 2015 10:23 kongoline wrote:

fatefalls the one trick pony fizz often maxes W first too, mostly in matchups he cant guarantee to land E like vs ahri,zed,leblanc etc

Here's what the updated Spectator UI looks like if you manage to FORCE it on through the game files, it is not currently enabled and you will not see if you just spectate a game yet.

On August 25 2015 00:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
bard changes suck, just shows they dont actually know why he isnt picked and just gave him generic buffs.

The delay on R is way too long, especially when champions can just dash out of it or walk out of it super easily.

high risk with little reward, doesnt do enough damage or heal enough to account for his unreliability.

On August 26 2015 04:14 Osmoses wrote:
You guys seen these Project splashes? That Leona, damn son.

On August 27 2015 04:57 Ansibled wrote:
The Zed one is pretty awful.

On September 03 2015 04:17 Caiada wrote:
Raw stats are a good place to hit Fiora.

Cait buffs feel like nothing, tbh.

Not sure what that Morde stuff is about, but I'm not sure where Morde is at the moment, really.

On September 03 2015 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
uh is that a zac nerf? lol

Gangplank

Powder Keg (E) bonus physical damage to champions lowered to 40/50/60/70/80 from 80/110/140/170/200

On September 09 2015 04:28 Numy wrote:
New PBE changes out: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/98-pbe-update.html

I can't help by laugh at the GP one

When you cutting damage by more than half it makes you wonder how the numbers even went live lol

On September 09 2015 09:57 AlterKot wrote:
I don't think like that. I think "sweet I got some freelo by adapting to the meta rather than being a stubborn prick who only plays set of champions regardless of whether they are strong or not".

On the other hand I'm a patchnotes hypochondriac who after reading about a nerf I think is significant immediately abandon the champion without even testing it post-patch once.

On September 09 2015 04:28 Numy wrote:
New PBE changes out: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/98-pbe-update.html

I can't help by laugh at the GP one

When you cutting damage by more than half it makes you wonder how the numbers even went live lol

On September 09 2015 14:02 Goumindong wrote:

It's not uncommon. It's impossible to balance using the PBE since no one plays enough to have accurate MMR ratings.

On September 09 2015 23:03 Seuss wrote:


That and the vast majority of PBE players are Bronze-level bads stepping outside of their comfort zone to try the new whatever. It's basically only good for finding obvious bugs.