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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 02 2014 01:51 GMT
#81
On July 02 2014 10:39 miicah wrote:
Reading the red posts about Poppy, would she fit the sort of Paladin trope? With an ult like BKB or physical damage immunity that can be cast on anyone, and a force staff like ability on her Q (maybe usable on team mates). I'd like to see a tanky top laner who is also a kind of support, rather than just a damage soak.

Poppy has sorta the paladin trope. In her original lore (iunno if it's been retconned or w/e) she's basically a yordle knight.

Stat-wise and skill-set wise Poppy doesn't really remind me of the stereotypical video game Paladin.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 02 2014 01:56 GMT
#82
On July 02 2014 09:40 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:35 Alaric wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:41 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:32 IMoperator wrote:
nid has been bottom 3 winrate since she got changed, idk why everyone is so against these buffs it's not like she was dominating everyone


Yeah well, people need time to adapt. hotshot was doing more than alright even before the buff.
jax nerfs are hilarious though, he loses ~200 hp and 9 armor at lvl 18. RIP t.t

With 4.10 changes he was pretty good since randuins got nerfed. Woulda liked to see him played a bit more in competitive before this nerf...

If anything nerfing Randuin's played against him.

Name a matchup in 1v1 isolation where randuins nerf realistically hurts him. No top laner utilizes AS except kayle, and her main source of dmg was magic. Jax already shits on every adc. Cuz jax.


Every single ADC that exists? Or are we talking about top laners only? It's not like Randuin's only affects Jax in top lane...
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 02 2014 01:58 GMT
#83
On July 02 2014 10:56 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:35 Alaric wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:41 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:32 IMoperator wrote:
nid has been bottom 3 winrate since she got changed, idk why everyone is so against these buffs it's not like she was dominating everyone


Yeah well, people need time to adapt. hotshot was doing more than alright even before the buff.
jax nerfs are hilarious though, he loses ~200 hp and 9 armor at lvl 18. RIP t.t

With 4.10 changes he was pretty good since randuins got nerfed. Woulda liked to see him played a bit more in competitive before this nerf...

If anything nerfing Randuin's played against him.

Name a matchup in 1v1 isolation where randuins nerf realistically hurts him. No top laner utilizes AS except kayle, and her main source of dmg was magic. Jax already shits on every adc. Cuz jax.


Every single ADC that exists? Or are we talking about top laners only? It's not like Randuin's only affects Jax in top lane...

they were discussing whether or not randuins nerf was a nerf to jax
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 02:03:12
July 02 2014 02:02 GMT
#84
Well yes, and I understand that. But someone is arguing it doesn't effect him in top lane, when it matters most in split pushing and dealing with ADCs, not the 1v1 matchup against the enemy top laner.
iremnant3847
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan269 Posts
July 02 2014 02:03 GMT
#85
So does this mean Maokai is better now, or does he still suffer the same mana management issues as before? I don't really play him but I'm sure someone out there does consistently.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35132 Posts
July 02 2014 02:08 GMT
#86
Anybody know where I can go to learn how to not suck at Lee Sin?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 02:10:19
July 02 2014 02:08 GMT
#87
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 as lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 02 2014 02:09 GMT
#88
On July 02 2014 09:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
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On July 02 2014 09:50 layabout wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.

lol

what does that even mean. "show respect for humour"

don't make jokes that aren't funny it's degrading to both you and the reader!

funny is subjective

It is. It's complicated and difficult to articulate.

Still isn't funny
On July 02 2014 10:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.

I would be willing to bet that 90% or more of the employees at Riot came from the community. Riot isn't evil. They make a game, they have a business model, they do it well. While I'm sure that the business side takes precedence because they're providing us with a 100% FREE GAME (note: 100% free--I own all champs, 14 runepages, and all the runes that matter and I have spent $0 total on this game), they are a business and they need to stay afloat. Do you think it's easy keeping these servers running 24/7 around the world without revenue? Do you know how many employees they have to pay? How about the international tournaments with massive production value and million-dollar prize pools? Of course they're going to address the issue of "how do we keep people playing?" and "how do we monetize this game?"

And for what it's worth, I think it's very genuine of them to keep it fun. That's a part of their mission statement (http://www.riotgames.com/about) and, in my opinion, it's really fucking awesome of them that they provide all of this to us FOR FREE. It's 100% your choice to spend any money at all on this game, and I think that they should be rewarded if they provide content that influences people to choose to do so.

Keep in mind--they did everything. They still do everything. You didn't do shit. If they wanna choose a new direction, it's their prerogative. Whine like a child about them saying "troll pool" if you want. But fuck off with the insults about them not being my friend. Riot has immensely improved the quality of my life, and I'm grateful to them as an organization and as individuals.

Except Rivington, who's getting hit up on the backside. (I'm kidding, he's growing on me.)

How is "Riot isn't your friend" an insult? Even if you like Riot they are an organization.

Why the personal attacks on me?

Business model wise:
I have spent money on the game because i have gotten immense value out of it.
The system around runes is free to play done really badly and it shouldn't really be acceptable.
With Riot's numbers their business is not about staying afloat they aren't struggling to pay everyone.
It doesn't matter how nice or hardworking individuals are, organizations even charities act in their own interests and do bad shit.

My issue is that i feel the questions of monetizing and maintaining/growing the playerbase are affecting their balancing and desgin in a negative way. One could argue that this is unavoidable but that is by no means certain and i don't have to like it in either case.
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iremnant3847
Profile Joined June 2012
Taiwan269 Posts
July 02 2014 02:09 GMT
#89
On July 02 2014 11:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 at lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion

The most anti-fun. For both of you homies.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 02 2014 02:11 GMT
#90
On July 02 2014 11:09 iremnant3847 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 11:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 at lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion

The most anti-fun. For both of you homies.


I mean you are the Filthy Lee Sin picker in this scenario
Carrilord has arrived.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 02 2014 02:15 GMT
#91
On July 02 2014 11:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 as lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion

How much damage came from minions?
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 02 2014 02:16 GMT
#92
On July 02 2014 11:03 iremnant3847 wrote:
So does this mean Maokai is better now, or does he still suffer the same mana management issues as before? I don't really play him but I'm sure someone out there does consistently.

well, his mana costs were cut by a ton so I doubt he'll have mana issues. Whether or not he's better enough to be playable at what levels of play remains to be seen.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 02 2014 02:18 GMT
#93
Donno about you guys, I am gonna play him AP mid.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 02 2014 02:22 GMT
#94
^ They hit his ratios and base damage slightly though.

Holy shit I experienced Trinity Force Vi for the first time this morning. Thankfully she was on my team but she was absolutely trucking people. The burst was insane.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 02 2014 02:24 GMT
#95
On July 02 2014 11:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 as lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion


I made that mistake once as Eve. My top laner had died and Renekton was at like 25% health, so I was like ok, I can kill this guy. He stuns me and I just die. Never again.
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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
July 02 2014 02:47 GMT
#96
I don't really like the tower changes it's already annoying that certain champs like ziggs with heal can't be dove this just makes it worse.
Moar banelings less qq
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 02 2014 02:53 GMT
#97
On July 02 2014 11:47 IamPryda wrote:
I don't really like the tower changes it's already annoying that certain champs like ziggs with heal can't be dove this just makes it worse.

I'm with you on that. The tower should not be a bastion of hope for failing in lane, and it's a change that's targeted purely at the 2v1 scenario. The turret has to pretty much 2 shot level 3 champs for the tower dives to stop, and that's not going to happen.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 02:54:25
July 02 2014 02:54 GMT
#98
On July 02 2014 11:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 11:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 as lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion

How much damage came from minions?


honestly, i'm not even exaggerating, he was basically right at our tower, just out of aggro range, with maybe 2-3 minions around. it wasn't a gradual death, he literally erased me from the map with 2 skills
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 02 2014 02:57 GMT
#99
On July 02 2014 11:54 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 11:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 02 2014 11:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
so i went to gank a top lane renekton at level 3 as lee sin(both of us 0-0-0, him about half hp and me 3/4) and he literally oneshot me without using ignite

what the fuck is that champion

How much damage came from minions?


honestly, i'm not even exaggerating, he was basically right at our tower, just out of aggro range, with maybe 2-3 minions around. it wasn't a gradual death, he literally erased me from the map with 2 skills

Did you walk up to a renekton with full fury? Because if you did, you probably deserve that death. If you walk up he can just auto W Q auto auto and you'll probably die.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 02:58:43
July 02 2014 02:58 GMT
#100
On July 02 2014 11:53 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 11:47 IamPryda wrote:
I don't really like the tower changes it's already annoying that certain champs like ziggs with heal can't be dove this just makes it worse.

I'm with you on that. The tower should not be a bastion of hope for failing in lane, and it's a change that's targeted purely at the 2v1 scenario. The turret has to pretty much 2 shot level 3 champs for the tower dives to stop, and that's not going to happen.

they also made xp range from minions bigger so you can camp at the tower without falling behind as much
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