EPT4.11 is going to be one of the best patches Riot has ever put out for the meta game imo.
[Patch 4.11] Maokai Rework General Discussion - Page 7
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
4.11 is going to be one of the best patches Riot has ever put out for the meta game imo. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:21 PrinceXizor wrote: they are a company their goal is to get as much money as possible. if that isn't their goal, they are a failed company. one persons experience is not the majority, because you spend over 2400 hours playing to get the full game doesn't mean everyone has. and if people are stupid for being unable to give in to the pressure of advertising and such, wouldn't that make the company that profits off of peoples stupidity even worse? i mean, if everyone playing the game could unlock everything for free automatically, then i bet riot would go under rather quickly. i don't begrudge riot for trying to sell their product, after all its the point of the company,to maximize profits. but to claim they are some altruistic savior that offers a purely free game, is one of the most naive things you can say. You're paranoid, or stupid, or both. Riot's Manifesto They are not a "failed company" if they don't comply with your incredibly subjective, black-and-white, purely economic viewpoint on business. Do you even know how Riot was started? Are you aware that people are capable of acting for motivations other than money? Damn, what if they just want to make the world a better place by putting out a fun videogame? Are you too cynical to believe that there are people out there who do things just to improve the lives of the people they come into contact with? | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:24 PrinceXizor wrote: the stealth nerfs to eve when they neutered her pre rework were the least of her nerfs as well. perhaps they want to see if she still provides the type of gameplay she did before after the nerf, and if so, further neuterings could come. The eve nerfs were retarded cuz they left the bitch alone for a year and a half to fucking rot after the nerfs without ever trying to change numbers inbetween rework. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:21 PrinceXizor wrote: they are a company their goal is to get as much money as possible. if that isn't their goal, they are a failed company. one persons experience is not the majority, because you spend over 2400 hours playing to get the full game doesn't mean everyone has. and if people are stupid for being unable to give in to the pressure of advertising and such, wouldn't that make the company that profits off of peoples stupidity even worse? i mean, if everyone playing the game could unlock everything for free automatically, then i bet riot would go under rather quickly. i don't begrudge riot for trying to sell their product, after all its the point of the company,to maximize profits. but to claim they are some altruistic savior that offers a purely free game, is one of the most naive things you can say. I agree. But the opposite is also equally absurd. Saying Riot does literally everything cause they want to bend you over and fuck you 'til you vomit up money for them is tin foil hat worthy. (This sentiment is one I see echo'd way too much). | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:29 wei2coolman wrote: The eve nerfs were retarded cuz they left the bitch alone for a year and a half to fucking rot after the nerfs without ever trying to change numbers inbetween rework. I can kinda forgive that though. Reason being Eve pre-nerf was one of, if not the biggest post-beta "problem champ" ever. She was "un-fun" plus really damn powerful. Riot intended to put her in the dumpster until rework. Heck, I'm pretty sure they would've just removed her if they could. Plus, with regards to Kayle, popular sentiment was that she was extremely strong and her pick/ban plus winrate backs that up somewhat. Her ult cooldown was just ridiculously short and the "nerf" is just a buff revert. Same deal with her E ratio nerf. It was a revert of a buff Riot gave her in season 3. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:33 Slusher wrote: Classic rito balance, Yommu's has been an under used niche item for 3 years, people start to use it, slap a nerf on the pbe a month later. Maybe it's cause Youmuu's got buffed last patch and is overtuned cause of it? The nerf isn't even that big a deal... | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:29 Ryuu314 wrote: I agree. But the opposite is also equally absurd. Saying Riot does literally everything cause they want to bend you over and fuck you 'til you vomit up money for them is tin foil hat worthy. (This sentiment is one I see echo'd way too much). i agree. but ignoring any financial gains or potential gains from a business or design choice is pretty silly riot didn't drastically decrease IP gain over time and increase IP cost of new champions purely for the good of the players. nor did they do so because they had to in order to stay open, they were setting their own records for profits at the time they did these changes. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:34 Ryuu314 wrote: Maybe it's cause Youmuu's got buffed last patch and is overtuned cause of it? I mean that probly is part of it, but it's a net nerf for melee champions | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:27 GolemMadness wrote: HotshotGG @CLG_HotshotGG 46m 4.11 is going to be one of the best patches Riot has ever put out for the meta game imo. Loooooooooooooooooooool He so funny | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I can kinda forgive that though. Reason being Eve pre-nerf was one of, if not the biggest post-beta "problem champ" ever. She was "un-fun" plus really damn powerful. Riot intended to put her in the dumpster until rework. Heck, I'm pretty sure they would've just removed her if they could. Plus, with regards to Kayle, popular sentiment was that she was extremely strong and her pick/ban plus winrate backs that up somewhat. Her ult cooldown was just ridiculously short and the "nerf" is just a buff revert. Same deal with her E ratio nerf. It was a revert of a buff Riot gave her in season 3. Kayle was strong but not even that problematic. Would of been better to nerf her e's base damage instead of the ratio, as to make her harder to ramp up and push her powerspike to 3 offensive items instead of 2. Just salty they went so ham on her when she was hardly overly problematic. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:35 Slusher wrote: I mean that probly is part of it, but it's a net nerf for melee champions true, but to be fair melee champions hardly ever used Youmuu's. Youmuu's got more popular on ranged champions than it ever was on melees even before the buff. Plus, the melees that did get Youmuu's on a regular basis are super niche, as well. On July 02 2014 14:37 wei2coolman wrote: Kayle was strong but not even that problematic. Would of been better to nerf her e's base damage instead of the ratio, as to make her harder to ramp up and push her powerspike to 3 offensive items instead of 2. Just salty they went so ham on her when she was hardly overly problematic. Eh. Personally I think it was only a matter of time before more pros pick up on Kayle and she becomes a problem. I do think Riot could've waited though. I am a bit worried they're gonna fall back into their patch-every-two-weeks pattern, which is especially troubling with World's coming up around the corner. Regardless, I don't think this patch's nerfs will kill Kayle. It'll hurt AP Kayle for sure, but I think she'll still be a strong pick as AD Kayle. Plus, AD Kayle may arguably be stronger since her mixed damage will be even more powerful. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:34 PrinceXizor wrote: i agree. but ignoring any financial gains or potential gains from a business or design choice is pretty silly riot didn't drastically decrease IP gain over time and increase IP cost of new champions purely for the good of the players. nor did they do so because they had to in order to stay open, they were setting their own records for profits at the time they did these changes. Being able to control profits is the key to running a successful business. It's not that we're ignoring the fact that they make money. They are a business, and they SHOULD make money. But they're not trying to fuck the consumers. In fact, they're basically saying "here's something awesome for free, you can have it. If you want to give us some money, you can, and you'll get some pretty cool stuff for it, but you absolutely do not have to." And then you're extrapolating that to: On July 02 2014 14:21 PrinceXizor wrote: they are a company their goal is to get as much money as possible. if that isn't their goal, they are a failed company. Which is stupid, and then you go on to say: On July 02 2014 14:21 PrinceXizor wrote: and if people are stupid for being unable to give in to the pressure of advertising and such, wouldn't that make the company that profits off of peoples stupidity even worse? Which is a really dumb argument because it assumes that the pressure of advertising is more powerful than free will and that stupid people are the only ones who pay for this game. They're not. Normal, successful, happy, well-adjusted, and intelligent people make up a large portion of the population who spends money on League of Legends. Why do they do so? Because they choose to. Not because advertising was too strong. Not because Riot is evil. Not because they couldn't control themselves or were too dumb. It's just people like you and the other guy who are too dumb to realize this. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:50 PrinceXizor wrote: so your argument is that advertising doesn't function and two thousand of years of it are all wrong, because you are too smart and figured out that it doesn't work. cool. one reason why people dismiss you is because you make these strawmen arguments and dismiss other people with terrible posts :[ | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Everyone takes the PX bait and these stupid discussions spiral out of control. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 02 2014 14:51 Ryuu314 wrote: one reason why people dismiss you is because you make these strawmen arguments and dismiss other people with terrible posts :[ ..are you kidding me. i tried discussing it but his arguments boil down to BS every time he posts. "you're wrong because your bad" or "because youre dumb" or "because im smarter than you" and when i call him out on his BS i get blamed? k. On July 02 2014 14:52 TheYango wrote: This is exactly what I was talking about in OT. Everyone takes the PX bait and these stupid discussions spiral out of control. You mean i took the 5Hit bait? because this is consistently what he does with anything he doesn't like. its a bit unfair to say i started this when he was arguing and calling people names before i even posted. yeah its partially my fault for responding to his BS, but still. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
You're just wrong. | ||
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