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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
July 02 2014 06:06 GMT
#141
but you are smarter than him right?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 02 2014 06:07 GMT
#142
I'm in Mensa. I'd probably bet money on it.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
July 02 2014 06:08 GMT
#143
On July 02 2014 15:07 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm in Mensa. I'd probably bet money on it.

Don't forget Clinical Psychology Ph.D candidate

PX is still in undergrad right? Checkmate.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 02 2014 06:09 GMT
#144
I think the only way to truly know is to play a tennis match against him.
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 06:10:53
July 02 2014 06:09 GMT
#145
On July 02 2014 15:08 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 15:07 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm in Mensa. I'd probably bet money on it.

Don't forget Clinical Psychology Ph.D candidate

PX is still in undergrad right? Checkmate.

5hat definitely smarter. Trust me. I'm an economist.
liftlift > tsm
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 02 2014 06:13 GMT
#146
On July 02 2014 15:07 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm in Mensa. I'd probably bet money on it.

how was the test?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 06:21:16
July 02 2014 06:18 GMT
#147
Wonderlic (50 questions, 12 minutes) + Mensa Admissions Test (7 part timed multiple choice with various domains and a delayed recall subtest at the end)

I scored 98th percentile on the Wonderlic and 99th on the MAT. I wouldn't say it was hard, but scoring 98th percentile or higher is something that only 2% of the population are supposedly capable of. I could have used my WISC results from elementary school that scored me at a 143 IQ but I wanted to take the test fair and square.

HEY OKAY ANYWAY

Truce. I'll stop posting insults. You stop posting strawman arguments. That's basically why I attack your posts. You come up with some contrived hypothetical argument then jump to your conclusion. Usually there are massive holes in your arguments. I post very reasonably towards people who I deem worth reasoning with.

Does this sound fair to you?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 02 2014 06:24 GMT
#148
My IQ is so high that I hit D1 and then posted about it on Reddit and got +2,000 karma and some local benefactors gave me free pizza for a year.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 06:28:51
July 02 2014 06:26 GMT
#149
i only post strawman arguments or the like when i give up on intelligent conversation with the person anyway. i don't have a problem with it, and if you stop insulting people it can only benefit the thread so sure man. seems a little arrogant to say that you only post reasonably to people worthy of you though. kind of a hidden insult to end your pledge to stop insulting.

never took one of the tests i needed for mensa, my parents was told when i was a kid i should do it when i got older, by the psychologist that evaluated me for the gifted program, but i never did. my professor freshman year told me as well, but I really don't get what mensa even does for its members. everything i've heard about it makes it seem like some dick waving contest but i may have just been talking to the wrong people about it. definitely tell me if you think its worth going out of your way for. I've heard its pretty difficult for people like me (bi polar disorder) to take standardized tests like the ones you need for mensa though.

On July 02 2014 15:24 GolemMadness wrote:
My IQ is so high that I hit D1 and then posted about it on Reddit and got +2,000 karma and some local benefactors gave me free pizza for a year.

Damn you the hot shit though.

what do you guys think about morello saying on twitter that he wants to nerf lee but is afraid of what people will say about it if he does?
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 06:29:53
July 02 2014 06:28 GMT
#150
On July 02 2014 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 13:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Man these kayle nerfs make me so salty. Like wtf, you're fucking patching every other week. Why hit it so fucking hard over a single patch? Even though we saw it competitive in eu and a little in na, it was hardly a sure win champ.

they probably just decided that their policy is at odds with an invulnerability ultimate and are going the way of the eve with her.

The ultimate nerf was probably the least consequential part about these nerfs tho.

the stealth nerfs to eve when they neutered her pre rework were the least of her nerfs as well. perhaps they want to see if she still provides the type of gameplay she did before after the nerf, and if so, further neuterings could come.

The eve nerfs were retarded cuz they left the bitch alone for a year and a half to fucking rot after the nerfs without ever trying to change numbers inbetween rework.

I can kinda forgive that though. Reason being Eve pre-nerf was one of, if not the biggest post-beta "problem champ" ever. She was "un-fun" plus really damn powerful. Riot intended to put her in the dumpster until rework. Heck, I'm pretty sure they would've just removed her if they could.

Plus, with regards to Kayle, popular sentiment was that she was extremely strong and her pick/ban plus winrate backs that up somewhat. Her ult cooldown was just ridiculously short and the "nerf" is just a buff revert. Same deal with her E ratio nerf. It was a revert of a buff Riot gave her in season 3.

Kayle was strong but not even that problematic. Would of been better to nerf her e's base damage instead of the ratio, as to make her harder to ramp up and push her powerspike to 3 offensive items instead of 2. Just salty they went so ham on her when she was hardly overly problematic.

It's pretty hilarious really.

Let's patch the game every two weeks. Let's roll out massive changes instead of small ones. Let's hit Kayle with heaps of nerfs, and give Nidalee heaps of buffs. But let's not touch champs like Thresh and Lee Sin who have been dominating for far too long.

There's this weird dichotomy of smashing certain champs and barely flinching with others. Ziggs gets a slowly, slowly approach, but let's go for 3 seperate nerfs on Kayle. I'm not saying Kayle didn't need nerfs (she did IMO), but start with one thing.

ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 06:40:09
July 02 2014 06:38 GMT
#151
On July 02 2014 15:26 PrinceXizor wrote:
never took one of the tests i needed for mensa, my parents was told when i was a kid i should do it when i got older, by the psychologist that evaluated me for the gifted program, but i never did. my professor freshman year told me as well, but I really don't get what mensa even does for its members. everything i've heard about it makes it seem like some dick waving contest but i may have just been talking to the wrong people about it. definitely tell me if you think its worth going out of your way for. I've heard its pretty difficult for people like me (bi polar disorder) to take standardized tests like the ones you need for mensa though.

Bipolar shouldn't affect you much on these tests. Just don't be in the middle of a manic or hypomanic episode when you take it. I think you have the potential to pass, in spite of how much I've insulted you lol.

The only real reason I got into it was to beef up my CV for my internships, but all of the people I've met have been awesome and very genuine. I imagine it varies by your local chapter.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 02 2014 06:41 GMT
#152
On July 02 2014 15:28 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 13:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Man these kayle nerfs make me so salty. Like wtf, you're fucking patching every other week. Why hit it so fucking hard over a single patch? Even though we saw it competitive in eu and a little in na, it was hardly a sure win champ.

they probably just decided that their policy is at odds with an invulnerability ultimate and are going the way of the eve with her.

The ultimate nerf was probably the least consequential part about these nerfs tho.

the stealth nerfs to eve when they neutered her pre rework were the least of her nerfs as well. perhaps they want to see if she still provides the type of gameplay she did before after the nerf, and if so, further neuterings could come.

The eve nerfs were retarded cuz they left the bitch alone for a year and a half to fucking rot after the nerfs without ever trying to change numbers inbetween rework.

I can kinda forgive that though. Reason being Eve pre-nerf was one of, if not the biggest post-beta "problem champ" ever. She was "un-fun" plus really damn powerful. Riot intended to put her in the dumpster until rework. Heck, I'm pretty sure they would've just removed her if they could.

Plus, with regards to Kayle, popular sentiment was that she was extremely strong and her pick/ban plus winrate backs that up somewhat. Her ult cooldown was just ridiculously short and the "nerf" is just a buff revert. Same deal with her E ratio nerf. It was a revert of a buff Riot gave her in season 3.

Kayle was strong but not even that problematic. Would of been better to nerf her e's base damage instead of the ratio, as to make her harder to ramp up and push her powerspike to 3 offensive items instead of 2. Just salty they went so ham on her when she was hardly overly problematic.

It's pretty hilarious really.

Let's patch the game every two weeks. Let's roll out massive changes instead of small ones. Let's hit Kayle with heaps of nerfs, and give Nidalee heaps of buffs. But let's not touch champs like Thresh and Lee Sin who have been dominating for far too long.

There's this weird dichotomy of smashing certain champs and barely flinching with others. Ziggs gets a slowly, slowly approach, but let's go for 3 seperate nerfs on Kayle. I'm not saying Kayle didn't need nerfs (she did IMO), but start with one thing.


I can sort of see why they did it though. They don't like it when champions have really strong strength when win conditions are met. Sort of like how a 50 min poppy is stupidly retarded, they don't like that Kayle is hitting that point too easily, and without much consequence. But, rather than make it harder for her to get to those win conditions they rather just take a hammer to her end game, and just say "WHAT NOW BITCH!"
liftlift > tsm
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 02 2014 06:45 GMT
#153
On July 02 2014 15:28 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 13:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Man these kayle nerfs make me so salty. Like wtf, you're fucking patching every other week. Why hit it so fucking hard over a single patch? Even though we saw it competitive in eu and a little in na, it was hardly a sure win champ.

they probably just decided that their policy is at odds with an invulnerability ultimate and are going the way of the eve with her.

The ultimate nerf was probably the least consequential part about these nerfs tho.

the stealth nerfs to eve when they neutered her pre rework were the least of her nerfs as well. perhaps they want to see if she still provides the type of gameplay she did before after the nerf, and if so, further neuterings could come.

The eve nerfs were retarded cuz they left the bitch alone for a year and a half to fucking rot after the nerfs without ever trying to change numbers inbetween rework.

I can kinda forgive that though. Reason being Eve pre-nerf was one of, if not the biggest post-beta "problem champ" ever. She was "un-fun" plus really damn powerful. Riot intended to put her in the dumpster until rework. Heck, I'm pretty sure they would've just removed her if they could.

Plus, with regards to Kayle, popular sentiment was that she was extremely strong and her pick/ban plus winrate backs that up somewhat. Her ult cooldown was just ridiculously short and the "nerf" is just a buff revert. Same deal with her E ratio nerf. It was a revert of a buff Riot gave her in season 3.

Kayle was strong but not even that problematic. Would of been better to nerf her e's base damage instead of the ratio, as to make her harder to ramp up and push her powerspike to 3 offensive items instead of 2. Just salty they went so ham on her when she was hardly overly problematic.

It's pretty hilarious really.

Let's patch the game every two weeks. Let's roll out massive changes instead of small ones. Let's hit Kayle with heaps of nerfs, and give Nidalee heaps of buffs. But let's not touch champs like Thresh and Lee Sin who have been dominating for far too long.

There's this weird dichotomy of smashing certain champs and barely flinching with others. Ziggs gets a slowly, slowly approach, but let's go for 3 seperate nerfs on Kayle. I'm not saying Kayle didn't need nerfs (she did IMO), but start with one thing.



What you describe is literally my only complaint about Riot and their balancing. They might decide to rework a champion when others have been sitting unused in competitive play forever while for just as long some champs have been OP (or at least top tier forever).

Champs like Sion, Poppy, Galio, Varrus, Rammus, Fiora, Morde, Brand, GP, Viktor are never seen in competitive play and, while perhaps not terrible champions, lack some major qualities that the top tier champions have.

There will always be some haves and have nots in LoL champions. They can't rework every champion so they have a dash ability and I don't expect them to. However, the names I listed are just ones off the top of my head that are never seen. There are still plenty that are hardly ever seen, but not awful. And then you've got the same list of steady champions that are always picked. Rather than make people trade off between utility and damage they simply allow the best champs to retain both even while nerfing them.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 06:49:28
July 02 2014 06:49 GMT
#154
Kayle has a win rate over 56% (~1.5% higher than any other champion) and a ban rate over 80% in solo queue. Last week in the NA LCS she was picked or banned every single game, and she's been picked or banned in at least 50% of games for weeks.

Also, Thresh sort of got nerfed with a bigger hit box.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 02 2014 06:51 GMT
#155
On July 02 2014 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 15:28 JazzVortical wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:31 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 14:06 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 02 2014 13:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Man these kayle nerfs make me so salty. Like wtf, you're fucking patching every other week. Why hit it so fucking hard over a single patch? Even though we saw it competitive in eu and a little in na, it was hardly a sure win champ.

they probably just decided that their policy is at odds with an invulnerability ultimate and are going the way of the eve with her.

The ultimate nerf was probably the least consequential part about these nerfs tho.

the stealth nerfs to eve when they neutered her pre rework were the least of her nerfs as well. perhaps they want to see if she still provides the type of gameplay she did before after the nerf, and if so, further neuterings could come.

The eve nerfs were retarded cuz they left the bitch alone for a year and a half to fucking rot after the nerfs without ever trying to change numbers inbetween rework.

I can kinda forgive that though. Reason being Eve pre-nerf was one of, if not the biggest post-beta "problem champ" ever. She was "un-fun" plus really damn powerful. Riot intended to put her in the dumpster until rework. Heck, I'm pretty sure they would've just removed her if they could.

Plus, with regards to Kayle, popular sentiment was that she was extremely strong and her pick/ban plus winrate backs that up somewhat. Her ult cooldown was just ridiculously short and the "nerf" is just a buff revert. Same deal with her E ratio nerf. It was a revert of a buff Riot gave her in season 3.

Kayle was strong but not even that problematic. Would of been better to nerf her e's base damage instead of the ratio, as to make her harder to ramp up and push her powerspike to 3 offensive items instead of 2. Just salty they went so ham on her when she was hardly overly problematic.

It's pretty hilarious really.

Let's patch the game every two weeks. Let's roll out massive changes instead of small ones. Let's hit Kayle with heaps of nerfs, and give Nidalee heaps of buffs. But let's not touch champs like Thresh and Lee Sin who have been dominating for far too long.

There's this weird dichotomy of smashing certain champs and barely flinching with others. Ziggs gets a slowly, slowly approach, but let's go for 3 seperate nerfs on Kayle. I'm not saying Kayle didn't need nerfs (she did IMO), but start with one thing.



What you describe is literally my only complaint about Riot and their balancing. They might decide to rework a champion when others have been sitting unused in competitive play forever while for just as long some champs have been OP (or at least top tier forever).

Champs like Sion, Poppy, Galio, Varrus, Rammus, Fiora, Morde, Brand, GP, Viktor are never seen in competitive play and, while perhaps not terrible champions, lack some major qualities that the top tier champions have.

There will always be some haves and have nots in LoL champions. They can't rework every champion so they have a dash ability and I don't expect them to. However, the names I listed are just ones off the top of my head that are never seen. There are still plenty that are hardly ever seen, but not awful. And then you've got the same list of steady champions that are always picked. Rather than make people trade off between utility and damage they simply allow the best champs to retain both even while nerfing them.


Half those champions you listed are being reworked.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 02 2014 07:01 GMT
#156
On July 02 2014 15:49 GolemMadness wrote:
Kayle has a win rate over 56% (~1.5% higher than any other champion) and a ban rate over 80% in solo queue. Last week in the NA LCS she was picked or banned every single game, and she's been picked or banned in at least 50% of games for weeks.

Also, Thresh sort of got nerfed with a bigger hit box.

I would be very surprised if the thresh "nerf" results in anything other than continued FP support status.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 07:42:04
July 02 2014 07:37 GMT
#157
If you want a peek into their mentality, this should be pretty insightful. (Link didn't work- whoops).

Gist of it is they're gonna nerf Elise, Lee, Vi at the same time, but they're probably not gonna touch any of them individually until then. Cuz people cry too much when they touch Lee, or something.

Edit: When the nerfs come, I expect them to be nigh unplayable for about a year given the track record.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 02 2014 07:39 GMT
#158
On July 02 2014 16:37 zer0das wrote:
If you want a peek into their mentality, this should be pretty insightful.

https://twitter.com/RiotMorello/status/484042166948212736
Ham fists are great. Looking forward to it, really am.

he's responding to a reply to him saying he'd have nerfed lee if he didn't care what people say. so he wants to nerf lee elise and vi together.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
July 02 2014 07:59 GMT
#159
who the fuck joins mensa in the first place?
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
July 02 2014 08:03 GMT
#160
nerds
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