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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 02 2014 00:38 GMT
#61
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.

lol

what does that even mean. "show respect for humour"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 02 2014 00:40 GMT
#62
On July 02 2014 09:35 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:41 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:32 IMoperator wrote:
nid has been bottom 3 winrate since she got changed, idk why everyone is so against these buffs it's not like she was dominating everyone


Yeah well, people need time to adapt. hotshot was doing more than alright even before the buff.
jax nerfs are hilarious though, he loses ~200 hp and 9 armor at lvl 18. RIP t.t

With 4.10 changes he was pretty good since randuins got nerfed. Woulda liked to see him played a bit more in competitive before this nerf...

If anything nerfing Randuin's played against him.

Name a matchup in 1v1 isolation where randuins nerf realistically hurts him. No top laner utilizes AS except kayle, and her main source of dmg was magic. Jax already shits on every adc. Cuz jax.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 00:45:44
July 02 2014 00:43 GMT
#63
On July 02 2014 08:49 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 08:40 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:14 Slusher wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Kayle's E is back to its old levels right?


if by old you mean s2 when IE rush top lane kayle was the build, yes

No one did IE rush back in S2 iirc.

The hitbox nerfs are interesting. I wasn't aware of them either and they definitely contribute to the strength of a champ.

Yes they did.The standart was ie>zeal kayle top lane.

Look at tournament games here https://elobuff.com/summoners/tr3-tsmdyrus/champions/kayle

That's literally one player in one tournament where Dyrus ran her in bot lane as an ADC.

I was a Kayle main in S2 with over 80 games so unless my memory is really shit no one played Kayle as an ADC.
You can read the guides from the past
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/lol-strategy/166140-champion-kayle?page=9

It's almost always been AP.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/browse?sort_type=modify_ts&sort_order=desc&champion_id=2&lane=&role=&map=&guide_type=&threshold=guides&freshness=S2&author=
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 02 2014 00:44 GMT
#64
Uh. There was definitely a period of 2 months where ad kayle top was a thing.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 02 2014 00:46 GMT
#65
it's been deleted due to age but the Rincent ADC top Kayle guide on solomid was kinda a thing, especially after Dyrus showed it in pro play.
Carrilord has arrived.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 00:46:53
July 02 2014 00:46 GMT
#66
On July 02 2014 09:44 wei2coolman wrote:
Uh. There was definitely a period of 2 months where ad kayle top was a thing.

Maybe I missed this 2 month period then. Was that before her rework though?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 00:48:01
July 02 2014 00:46 GMT
#67
On July 02 2014 09:43 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 08:49 nafta wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:40 obesechicken13 wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:14 Slusher wrote:
On July 02 2014 08:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Kayle's E is back to its old levels right?


if by old you mean s2 when IE rush top lane kayle was the build, yes

No one did IE rush back in S2 iirc.

The hitbox nerfs are interesting. I wasn't aware of them either and they definitely contribute to the strength of a champ.

Yes they did.The standart was ie>zeal kayle top lane.

Look at tournament games here https://elobuff.com/summoners/tr3-tsmdyrus/champions/kayle

That's literally one player in one tournament where Dyrus ran her in bot lane as an ADC.

I was a Kayle main in S2 with over 80 games so unless my memory is really shit no one played Kayle as an ADC.
You can read the guides from the past
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/lol-strategy/166140-champion-kayle?page=9

It's almost always been AP.

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/browse?sort_type=modify_ts&sort_order=desc&champion_id=2&lane=&role=&map=&guide_type=&threshold=guides&freshness=S2&author=

You didn't actually click the games.Chaox was ad.Dyrus was top.

https://elobuff.com/games/tr3-170470 That particular one he went bt>pd doe.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 00:49:51
July 02 2014 00:49 GMT
#68
I think the only team running adc(position) kayle was Goose, but they did run it.
Carrilord has arrived.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 02 2014 00:50 GMT
#69
On July 02 2014 09:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.

lol

what does that even mean. "show respect for humour"

don't make jokes that aren't funny it's degrading to both you and the reader!
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 02 2014 00:52 GMT
#70
On July 02 2014 09:31 justiceknight wrote:
wow just wow are these transformers??

+ Show Spoiler +
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[image loading]

omg there goes my wallet.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 00:53:33
July 02 2014 00:53 GMT
#71
On July 02 2014 09:50 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.

lol

what does that even mean. "show respect for humour"

don't make jokes that aren't funny it's degrading to both you and the reader!

funny is subjective
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 01:02:39
July 02 2014 00:58 GMT
#72
'cause Jax wasn't able to spend all his games splitpushing 1v1. When you were behind you didn't go "oh I'll just splitpush till I make up for my 40 cs deficit and get Triforce+BotRK late then hop in teamfights", and in these cases you finished your first damage item (more often BotRK when you're behind) then went tanky because teamfights are usually required at that point.

Uh, that PBE mana buff for Ahri is so ugly. A main AoE nuke for only 50 mana, that's like the cost of Orianna's Q. Ahri was already annoying to deal with pre-6 because the relatively low cost of Q let her easily push people in if she wanted to hit levels first or just make sure she recalled when it suited her, and a low cost spell makes it harder to outplay someone by playing around their mana pool. I'm not sure why this'd need to be buffed, it was already a rather low cost spell to begin with.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
July 02 2014 01:02 GMT
#73
Just a heads up, Chogath is going to be a complete monster in the jungle when this goes live. I'll be updating the guide again soon.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
GozoShioda
Profile Joined October 2013
205 Posts
July 02 2014 01:03 GMT
#74
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.


It annoys me too.
It's probably some high ranking guy's nephew who got hired to write the patch notes. He's trying to be all cute and feel like he's actually contributing by adding his 6th grade humor and memes.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 02 2014 01:14 GMT
#75
i wonder if there's a reason that i only ever dc during my promo series games
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 02 2014 01:17 GMT
#76
On July 02 2014 10:03 GozoShioda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.


It annoys me too.
It's probably some high ranking guy's nephew who got hired to write the patch notes. He's trying to be all cute and feel like he's actually contributing by adding his 6th grade humor and memes.

Whenever they put 'swag' in the patch notes I wanted to shoot myself.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 02 2014 01:17 GMT
#77
oh hey nice the game i dc'd from just disappeared and didnt even count as a loss
gg
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 01:21:25
July 02 2014 01:18 GMT
#78
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.

I would be willing to bet that 90% or more of the employees at Riot came from the community. Riot isn't evil. They make a game, they have a business model, they do it well. While I'm sure that the business side takes precedence because they're providing us with a 100% FREE GAME (note: 100% free--I own all champs, 14 runepages, and all the runes that matter and I have spent $0 total on this game), they are a business and they need to stay afloat. Do you think it's easy keeping these servers running 24/7 around the world without revenue? Do you know how many employees they have to pay? How about the international tournaments with massive production value and million-dollar prize pools? Of course they're going to address the issue of "how do we keep people playing?" and "how do we monetize this game?"

And for what it's worth, I think it's very genuine of them to keep it fun. That's a part of their mission statement (http://www.riotgames.com/about) and, in my opinion, it's really fucking awesome of them that they provide all of this to us FOR FREE. It's 100% your choice to spend any money at all on this game, and I think that they should be rewarded if they provide content that influences people to choose to do so.

Keep in mind--they did everything. They still do everything. You didn't do shit. If they wanna choose a new direction, it's their prerogative. Whine like a child about them saying "troll pool" if you want. But fuck off with the insults about them not being my friend. Riot has immensely improved the quality of my life, and I'm grateful to them as an organization and as individuals.

Except Rivington, who's getting hit up on the backside. (I'm kidding, he's growing on me.)
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
July 02 2014 01:39 GMT
#79
Reading the red posts about Poppy, would she fit the sort of Paladin trope? With an ult like BKB or physical damage immunity that can be cast on anyone, and a force staff like ability on her Q (maybe usable on team mates). I'd like to see a tanky top laner who is also a kind of support, rather than just a damage soak.
@miicah88
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 02 2014 01:41 GMT
#80
On July 02 2014 09:34 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 09:12 Nos- wrote:
On July 02 2014 09:06 layabout wrote:
Vladimir can now cast summoner spells and use items while in his troll pool
We are seeing far more comments like this in the patch notes and it's really grating on my nerves.

eh why?

It's comes off as really fake. Calling Vlad's pool a "troll pool" is the kind of thing that member if the community might do, if they thought it was funny. It's the kind of thing one of your friends might say if they were that type of person.

Riot is not your friend. Riot's decision's have been straying from "lets design an alternative to dota" to "how do we keep people playing/ monetize the crap out of them" for a long time. So if they try to act like my friend it pisses me off because it's disingenuous and it's within the context of them telling us how they are trying to change the game to appease people rather than improve it.

It's also not funny and coming from riot makes it even less so. Be a decent person, show respect for humour.


I think you may be overreacting a bit to a couple of jokes in the patch notes.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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